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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 101058 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #495 on: April 08, 2017, 04:24:12 PM »
Tesla's bifilar doe's not send a "Negative Current" into the ferrite core when the current's interrupted.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #496 on: April 08, 2017, 04:30:59 PM »
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The Tesla bifilar cancels it's self inductance.

Does it really? Can you show us your own data?

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Tesla's bifilar doe's not send a "Negative Current" into the ferrite core when the current's interrupted.

Does it really? For example TinselCoala presented here his "testbed" JouleThief circuit, in which the bifilar coil worked in the same way, like this normal one.


Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #497 on: April 08, 2017, 04:52:21 PM »
Tinselkoala ridiculed me because no one any longer comments in response to my claims because there're in the woods along with him and Milehigh who are both extremely narrow minded, and dominate this web site with arrogant and abusive insults mostly directed at newbie's with English for a second language.

No, don't spiral out of control, no pun intended.

I have given Evostars some decent relevant information about a self-resonating coil.  It's up to him to understand it or indulge in whatever stuff he is reading from the free energy/alternative pulp press and websphere.

That "alternative view" of electronics has its severe limitations.  Look at poor Chris Mr. IQ, he worked on a bench for 10 full years and clearly demonstrated that he barely had a clue with respect to what he was doing.  It's when life sometimes is stranger than fiction.  Just like people talk about resonance all the time and they don't even know what it is.  I have mostly given up and just watch the show.  You can believe whatever it is you want to believe but since I decided to contribute this thread I countered some of your disinformation.

Yes this thread has gotten off track a bit, but look at the equivalent thread on EF.  It's a complete ghost town and nobody has anything to say.

The most relevant fact about a self-resonating coil or a bifilar pancake self-resonating coil is that they are essentially useless.  There is a minuscule amount of energy being exchanged in the self-resonance and it has no practical applications whatsoever.  Anybody is welcome to correct me if I am wrong and at the same time I would not be surprised if there are whole chapters in the pulp press devoted to self-resonating coils.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #498 on: April 08, 2017, 05:11:57 PM »
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The most relevant fact about a self-resonating coil or a bifilar pancake self-resonating coil is that they are essentially useless.

Only for pathoskeptical ignorant trolls who believe the cold fusion doesn't work and who cannot distinguish Infinity SAV Team generator from Perendev motor. The true is, most of replicators didn't even start with serious research of bifilar coil. Their naivety complements the ignorance of pathoskeptics rather reliably. The forums like these ones need really solid moderation for to get somewhere. And also hierarchical, i.e. not linear structure (which becomes incomprehensible rather fast).


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #499 on: April 08, 2017, 05:20:40 PM »
Assuming anyone's watched my 48 Hex nut locking video; How far can we stretch the wire and what's the upward limit on the number of nuts per spark of locking power?

Is the lone wire an inductor? How can it store power? No power stored equals zero flyback and zero negative current to the Hex nuts when the current's interrupted.

It's important to understand that a spark jumps between the battery electrode and the wire end before it's connected, and that it's this input spark that carries the magnetizing power.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #499 on: April 08, 2017, 05:20:40 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #500 on: April 08, 2017, 05:29:24 PM »
Only for pathoskeptical ignorant trolls who believe the cold fusion doesn't work and who cannot distinguish Infinity SAV Team generator from Perendev motor. The true is, most of replicators didn't even start with serious research of bifilar coil. Their naivety complements the ignorance of pathoskeptics rather reliably. The forums like these ones need really solid moderation for to get somewhere. And also hierarchical, i.e. not linear structure (which becomes incomprehensible rather fast).

Yes, you have clearly established yourself as a near-crazed zealot for over unity.  But I am not a troll and your straw man arguments about me are tedious.  I said there are no commercial cold fusion-based systems which is a fact.  I did not say anything else about that subject.  I did not say there was any equivalency between the fake Perendev motor and the fake company called Infinity SAV Team.  I have qualified Infinity SAV Team as fake.  That's my opinion, like it or not.

Yes, you gobble up free energy clips on YouTube like they are jellybeans.  You would find a soulmate in FatBird.

I am no troll, stop abusing that term.  Evostars was interested in the concept of a self-resonating coil and I shared some information with him.

If I can offer you some advice it would be to lower the volume and demonstrate an over unity system if you can.  That's what you are here for, right?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #501 on: April 08, 2017, 05:30:23 PM »
Allen
I could be wrong....??
But it would seem you just yelled at a guy for an off topic comment

and then you inserted a question that wiil take it even further off topic for a hundred more pages of flame wars...


How the heck could we ever moderate here and keep things on topic?

Poor Mags...
yeesh

persons here who Build these coils are trying to do experiments
ON TOPIC experiments

whoever doesn't like it and wants to discuss other topics should start a separate thread.

its not even an opinion

just the way its supposed to be.

you wanna fight with Tinsel and Miles ?
I'll Pull the Steel cage outta storage and we'll setup a thread and sell tickets

PLEASE RESPECT THIS MANS THREAD

we do have moderation available here....


+1

and in addition to all,
Think for yourself. Question authority.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #501 on: April 08, 2017, 05:30:23 PM »
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Offline Zephir

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #502 on: April 08, 2017, 05:41:15 PM »
Now, enough of twaddling and try to think about this:

The magnets in general attract ferromagnetic material - like the piece of ferrite - without respect orientation of their poles, right? What will happen, if we place another magnet behind this ferrite?

If the 2nd magnet will be equally oriented to polarity of the 1st magnet, then its placement behind the ferrite will just increase the attractive force between them - OK?

But what will happen, if the 2nd magnet will get oriented against 1st magnet in mirror-like way? After then we can achieve the situation/geometry, during which the attractive force of 1st magnet to ferrite will get  exactly balanced with the repulsive force of the 2nd magnet. In another words, the ferrites would move freely along magnets without any cogging, because the magnetic forces of both magnets will compensate mutually. And the magnets would also move along each other without any macroscopic forces.

The final question is, what we could expect, if we would surround the ferrite with coil and if we attempt to collect current induced during mutual motion of magnets and/or ferrite between them.

Intuitively we could expect, that no electromotoric force will be induced within such a coil, because the effects of magnetic field of both counteracting magnets will compensate mutually. The polarity of magnetic field doesn't actually change within ferrite - the magnetic fields of both counteracting magnets will only change its saturation.

But how the situation will change, once we use bifilar coil at the place of collecting coil wound around ferrite? The bifilar coil is sensitive just to changes of magnetization - not the direction of magnetic field - because its wires collect magnetic field in alternating direction. Therefore it can induce the voltage and this voltage will not be affected with back-electromotive force, because the ferrites are already moving freely between magnets. In another words, any electricity induced into bifilar coil in this arrangement will be generated for free.

Of course the moving magnets can be replaced with electromagnets (a pair of bucking coils) with variable magnetic field and to achieve a solid state generator ("MEG") in this way. Its problem is, the variable magnetization of electromagnet cores will be the source of additional hysteresis loses, which may decrease the energy yield. If we use air cored coils, we would need to increase the working frequency of device significantly for to maintain energy density in acceptable range,  so that we'll get the Kapagen circuit.

Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #503 on: April 08, 2017, 05:42:13 PM »
evostar
here thinking for yourself
is what its all about.

how do we get there ?

we present an idea which can be discussed ? we say we have something unusual?
we experiment
you mentioned something about stacking coils and some type of effect

maybe we can start there?
would you be interested ?[me too

its like hearding cats over here, I must add very interesting for an A D D addict [might have some experience with that... :o
but not very productive.
you kind of got absorbed in the noise

where would you like to see this thread go
an experiment ?
or

respectfully
Chet K
PS
I must add there are "thousands of years of collective knowledge within this group [personal experience's and testing
you may find your idea has already been tested here or elsewhere

people may share that knowledge to save time [actual experiments they performed ]?

However... this of course is just for reference ,any experimental attempt at a replication of a thought [not actual PDF replication]
is never grounds  to dismiss a claim ?

unless as an example... the Koala's claim... to be able to fly by flapping of arms [he keeps trying to get certain theorists to Vet this  claim from high locations
 :o



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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #504 on: April 08, 2017, 06:26:10 PM »
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I have qualified Infinity SAV Team as fake.  That's my opinion, like it or not

We aren't here to discuss opinions, only facts or rational ideas. Once you have no evidence or at least indicia for your suspicion, then you're religious troll who believes in things without rational substance. A pathoskeptic troll being more specific. That's my opinion about you - like it or not.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #505 on: April 08, 2017, 06:41:50 PM »
We aren't here to discuss opinions, only facts or rational ideas. Once you have no evidence or at least indicia for your suspicion, then you're religious troll who believes in things without rational substance. A pathoskeptic troll being more specific. That's my opinion about you - like it or not.

You get a ROFL for that particular bit of hypocrisy.


Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #506 on: April 08, 2017, 06:43:01 PM »
Zephir
this is the last time I will post off topic here [you seed off topic at will]

where is this SAV being discussed here ?
have you or anyone ever spoken with them or visited them?
if not why not ?

that is after all what we do here ,actually one of the things I personally put great effort into ?
if you can't find the topic here ..
START ONE
I will do the rest...[or hopefully others will help too ,but not to be counted on.. or necessary .

respectfully
Chet K


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #507 on: April 08, 2017, 06:50:58 PM »
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    Who can explain why the Tesla series connected bifilar carries twice the "Magnetization Impulse Charge" then the single wire coil of equal inductance?

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When every two neighboring wires within pancake bifilar coil cancel their magnetism each other, then you indeed must exert more energy for achieving the same magnetization at certain distance from them.

One simply must laugh at these statements.
S. makes a false claim with respect to the Tesla Bifilar winding, and the answer Z. talks about the HAIRPIN bifilar winding which does cancel magnetism and inductance between two neighboring wires... whereas the Tesla Bifilar winding does not.

Another case where Z seems to confuse the Tesla winding with the HAIRPIN winding is shown in the diagram he posted:

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #508 on: April 08, 2017, 07:00:30 PM »
There are four types of bifilar winding, therefore I don't care which type you actually use - for short coils it actually doesn't matter.
The (pretense of) laughing is everything, what the dull pathoskeptics are usually capable of, once they lack rational arguments.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #509 on: April 08, 2017, 07:05:55 PM »
Tesla's bifilar doe's not send a "Negative Current" into the ferrite core when the current's interrupted.

And neither do other coils.

The Tesla bifilar coil behaves in the same way as a straight winding coil in my "Coil Current Direction" demonstrations.

Both you and Zephir have been unable to explain why, if coil current reverses direction, the Blue LED flashes but the Green LED does not.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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