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Offline evostars

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2017, 06:37:07 PM »
Ok here's Jack Noskills' thread/ project:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg501319/#msg501319
I don't mean to become offtopic, there seem to be some interesting parallels.
Thanks for the link! I will read it soon.
for the specs you ask about. the video already states alot. 3 coil stacked,  pulsed with a pulse generator (I use a igbt driver but it's nit necessary).  the frequency is, the resonant frequency of the coil,  and depends on the iinductance and capacitance of the coil.

I will make another video about the resonant frequency, and standing waves.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 09:43:17 AM »
The bifilar pancake coil, is a interesting coil. It has inductance, but more importantly it has increased capacitance, due to the high voltage difference between the coil windings. It looks like a coil that is a capacitor at the same time.

When the coil is freely resonanting at its resonant frequency, it produces a static magnetic field. At the same time it produces a dynamic dielectric field.

This dielectric field has interesting capabilities. it seems as if it has been stripped of the magnetic field component. It interacts with ground signals. It is able to transfer energy through one wire, and produces voltage in metal objects that are in the field (but not connected).

 I really feel that this is the pure form of electricity. And Im very curious about its properties.
I could not find solid info about it, so I started to do my own research. and I was amazed with the results. To fill the information void about this, i have started to make a video series about it.

https://youtu.be/xHDrmGPY-78  about the dielectric field of a bifilar coil
https://youtu.be/uhY27Zoor-Q  about the magnetic field of a bifilar coil (at resonance and DC)

I looked at your three clips and you seem like a very nice person and you have lots of enthusiasm.  For you there is a base issue related to your investigations.  Do you try to pursue learning about conventional electronics, or do you ignore conventional electronics and only pursue learning about so-called "alternative" electronics?  Or do you try to pursue a mixture of the two?  That's your choice to make.

What I am noticing is that this forum is not a good learning environment and if you want to learn about conventional electronics you are probably going to have to pursue that path by yourself or with other people.  I am quite certain that many people that watched your clips that like "alternative" electronics but also have a reasonable understanding of conventional electronics were not helping you when they could have helped you.  They are not sharing good information with you because doing so would make them feel uncomfortable for some strange reason.

I am just going to make some comments from watching your clips the other night.

For starters, there is no such thing as single-wire energy transmission.  There is always an "invisible" AC-coupling to the ground plane for both your device under test and your signal source.  That's why you can get the capacitor to charge with one wire in your tests.  Why does the voltage get higher when you put your fingers on the capacitors?  The answer is that your fingers and body provide a more robust (higher capacitance) signal path to the ground plane allowing the AC signal source to add larger puffs of charge to the capacitor.  Larger pumping puffs of charge into the capacitor means that the capacitor reaches a higher quiescent voltage where the added puffs of charge are in balance with the reverse current leaking through the diodes.

When you place your two pancake coils together with North-North poles facing each other, how come you can barely observe any repulsion between the two pancake coils even through with your compass you can definitely detect the field for each individual coil?  The answer is based on geometry such that the divergence of the magnetic field produced by each coil in the close proximity of each coil is very low.  Very low divergence equals very low force.  A hypothetical zero divergence in the magnetic field for one, the other, or both coils would give you a zero repulsion force between the coils.

When your pancake coil is truly in a self-resonant mode, then by definition both the electric field between the turns of the coil and the magnetic field around the coil have to be oscillating back and forth.  So your conclusion there about a constant unchanging magnetic field around the exterior of the coil in "self resonance" is incorrect.  Why can you observe an apparent DC magnetic field around the "self resonating" coil with your compass?  It's because your signal driver circuit, even through it is exciting the coil with an AC signal, is presumably also driving the coil with a small DC component such that you can detect the DC field with the compass needle when you move it around the coil.  As a suggestion, you can make a small coil of say 20 turns about the diameter of your thumb and attach that to your scope probe to make an AC magnetic field "sniffer" to check the strength and orientation of the AC magnetic field around the pancake coils.

Resonance of a circuit and the self-resonance of a coil have specific meanings that must be understood and then measured properly to confirm that you are truly observing the phenomenon of resonance.  Just observing a peak voltage reading on your multimeter or on your scope waveform is not an instant "confirmation of resonance."  It will take you some time to develop a skill set to correctly determine when you are observing resonance.  Part of that exercise involves actually identifying the mechanism of the resonance and the components of the resonance.  In other words, about every two minutes in your clips you are proclaiming "resonance."  That is not the case, and these things have to be carefully determined and measured.

Now, some people are going to be upset that I made this posting.  I am trying to suggest to you that if you are interested in electronics and electronics experimentation there is a vast amount of knowledge out there.  It's up to you to determine what path you want to take.  And I am disappointed that many of the people following you that know better are not making any real effort to give you some good and useful information.  Many people have seen the types of things that you are doing dozens of times before.  They only want to throw the usual "alternative" electronics information at you.

I am not here to engage with you or try to teach you.  I just came here to shine some light on your round of experiments with your pancake coils and let you know that there are options.

Good luck in your experiments.

MileHigh


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 10:50:00 AM »
Thanks for you opinions Milehigh,
I have my classic electronic education, but it is related to sound electronics.  it was a good learning school.
I also have limited knowledge of radio electronics. But with AM radio techniques there is alot of mis information.
So now I just look at things, my way. based on observation. Shure I will make mistakes. but thats ok with me. As long as Im learning,  and more importantly,  think for myself. I know the answers are In me. The are not found on the cencored books and youtube.

basically, I do not believe in a electron/photon PARTICLE... 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2017, 12:19:59 PM »

"What I am noticing is that this forum is not a good learning environment and if you want to learn about conventional electronics you are probably going to have to pursue that path by yourself or with other people"
 
"For starters, there is no such thing as single-wire energy transmission"

MileHigh

fool is the one who thinks already knows everything closing the "window" to learn and improve their wisdom


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2017, 12:25:54 PM »
fool is the one who thinks already knows everything closing the "window" to learn and improve their wisdom

Oh really?  Am I closing the window?  Or am I opening the window?

And who is the real fool?

Absolutely NOT, there is no such thing as singe-wire energy transmission.  Understanding that requires understanding energy.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2017, 12:41:45 PM »
Quote
there is no such thing as singe-wire energy transmission
So you see, you're still an ignorant - the internet is full of it (how you could become a hero member with 7379 posts goes over my head).

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2017, 12:44:02 PM »
Oh really?  Am I closing the window?  Or am I opening the window?

And who is the real fool?

Absolutely NOT, there is no such thing as singe-wire energy transmission.  Understanding that requires understanding energy.

MileHigh ,

Like you give your opinion,  for sure i can refute them too like you do all time .
The window is close to you or anyone  when you think that is nothing more to learn . Maybe because with your age you only able to use your crystallized intelligence  and not the fluid intelligence , and i not censure that , but you could not assume something like absolute because the history already told us that what is right today tomorrow could not be so right .

Never forget one thing :
Laws were created by men, do you know someone more imperfect than man? 

Have a nice day
 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2017, 12:56:35 PM »
Some laws are created by man and other laws are natural laws that are defined by Nature.

Power is the product of an 'across' variable and a 'through' variable.  Energy is the integration of power with respect to time, as defined by Nature.

Across variable      Through variable     Result

Velocity                Force                     Linear Mechanical Power
Angular Velocity    Torque                   Rotational Mechanical power
Voltage                 Current                 Electrical Power

This is what Nature is telling us, this is natural law.

For so-called "single-wire AC power transmission" you typically supply the "voltage only."  However current flows through AC capacitive coupling.  Without the AC capacitive coupling there is no current flow and therefore there is no power transmission.  Current must flow in "single-wire AC power transmission" as defined by Nature.

If you are going to understand power and energy for all of your experiments, you must understand this.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2017, 01:15:19 PM »
Some laws are created by man and other laws are natural laws that are defined by Nature.

Power is the product of an 'across' variable and a 'through' variable.  Energy is the integration of power with respect to time, as defined by Nature.

Across variable      Through variable     Result

Velocity                Force                     Linear Mechanical Power
Angular Velocity    Torque                   Rotational Mechanical power
Voltage                 Current                 Electrical Power

This is what Nature is telling us, this is natural law.

For so-called "single-wire AC power transmission" you typically supply the "voltage only."  However current flows through AC capacitive coupling.  Without the AC capacitive coupling there is no current flow and therefore there is no power transmission.  Current must flow in "single-wire AC power transmission" as defined by Nature.

If you are going to understand power and energy for all of your experiments, you must understand this.

Hi MileHigh ,
You give the perfect example that your are only use your crystallized intelligence  nothing more and that is the point , your are not available to learn nothing more because you only use what you already learn .
Everyday new laws are "rebirth" by new discoveries made by scientist and university and that is unquestionable.
Hope now you understand the meaning of my words . 
I never say that you don't have knowledge, but thinking that you know everything is a terrible mistake by you .
But of course is only my opinion , and even i could be wrong , but i not close the "window" to learn yet ;)

Have a nice day 


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2017, 03:07:49 PM »
I would suggest we stay on topic, and respect each others truths.
Nobody is right or wrong, we all have a unique perspective on reality. As we are all unique individuals.
If we can listen with respect for our unique differences, we might even learn something. There are many truths.
For me the truth is flexible, for else, I could not learn.

for example, my truth, is that velocity, is not dependent on force. We fly with great velocity through the universe. What does require force is CHANGE of velocity, also known as acceleration. F=M*A (yes... Newton).

At the same time, nothing in nature goes in a straight line (velocity) but ALL is curve linear.  We fly through the universe with our solar system, but still, we have a change in velocity, because we circle around our milky way galaxy. 
And newton's apple did fall from the tree, but at the same time the tree and the apple were spinning around the axis of the earth, around the sun, around the galaxy.

It all is about perspective. And that perspective is unique to all of us.

Now... Lets get back to the bifilar coil. And the magic it has to offer us.
I'm working on the resonance video, and the relation between a capacitor and a inductor in a oscilating circuit, and its resonant frequency. and the simularity it has with a bifilar coil with its capacitance and inductance.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2017, 11:29:40 PM »
If you put a sheet of aluminum foil on top of your pancake if are properly tuned it will levitate the foil because diamagnetic properties of aluminum .

I tried this but with no results. I tried serveral ways, above, below, single pulsed coil, free resonant coil, little picece of foil, big piece of foil, circular piece of foil with a hole in the center.... 

Maybe this is because the pancake coil has the north ans south magnetic poles in the same space? There is no pole separation as in a solenoid.

What I did observe, and was expecting, was a change in capacitance, and therefor a change in the resonant frequency.

Nelson Rochaa, could you tell a little bit more about this floating aluminium foil setup? Could it be I need more voltage? The pulse driver is 12V but the resonant coil is hundreds of volts. Maybe, I need to get into the thousends of volts of dielectric resonant (radiant) energy?

Any comments are welcome!

(ps the resonant video is not yet done, it was a bit harder to put it in a relative short video).

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2017, 12:34:04 AM »
I tried this but with no results. I tried serveral ways, above, below, single pulsed coil, free resonant coil, little picece of foil, big piece of foil, circular piece of foil with a hole in the center.... 

Maybe this is because the pancake coil has the north ans south magnetic poles in the same space? There is no pole separation as in a solenoid.

What I did observe, and was expecting, was a change in capacitance, and therefor a change in the resonant frequency.

Nelson Rochaa, could you tell a little bit more about this floating aluminium foil setup? Could it be I need more voltage? The pulse driver is 12V but the resonant coil is hundreds of volts. Maybe, I need to get into the thousends of volts of dielectric resonant (radiant) energy?

Any comments are welcome!

(ps the resonant video is not yet done, it was a bit harder to put it in a relative short video).

Hi Evostars ,
I tested with aluminum foil full covering the coil .
You could see by the video link that i send to you that i'm not able to measure any magnetic field orientation even when i connect a load in the receiver coil look please with attention that point  .
I will suggest to you,  that you test again but with a higher output , i use in that particular test a input of 24v  otherwise i will try make a video demo in future because i don't know some details like the frequency you are using to pulse the coil or the way you pulse the coil ;) .

Good luck

Nelson Rocha


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2017, 12:57:46 AM »
Thanks Nelson Rocha,
My setup is using a IGBT pulse driver (PWM-OCXi v2.1 from  rmcybernetics.com, it makes life easy), It dumps the load of a 2200uF capacitor charged by a 12V 1A adaptor into the coil (low impedance maybe less then 2 ohm), creating short sharp pulses.

The coil can be:
- a single bifilar pancake coil pulsed, with a resonant bifilar coil on top (and one below as i prefer)
or two coils in series connected and pulsed, with the third resonant coil in between.

I usualy connect the outside wire to ground, on the south side.

I saw your video with the compass, indeed the compass isnt moving, but I could only see one needle, and it was pointing to the center. So, maybe If you make another video, hold the coil on its side, so the needle doesnt become stuck as it will be dragged down.

It would be a nice video to see the aluminium floating!


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2017, 01:12:26 AM »
about that IGBT pusle driver, It is capable of making square waves, but due to the low impedance and the simple wall power adapter,  it generates these short pulses, due to the shortcut.  And thats exactly what this coil likes. much better than square waves.

I just made pictures of the pulse driver, these show the igbt, and the igbtdriver


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2017, 01:25:02 AM »
Thanks Nelson Rocha,
My setup is using a IGBT pulse driver (PWM-OCXi v2.1 from  rmcybernetics.com, it makes life easy), It dumps the load of a 2200uF capacitor charged by a 12V 1A adaptor into the coil (low impedance maybe less then 2 ohm), creating short sharp pulses.

The coil can be:
- a single bifilar pancake coil pulsed, with a resonant bifilar coil on top (and one below as i prefer)
or two coils in series connected and pulsed, with the third resonant coil in between.

I usualy connect the outside wire to ground, on the south side.

I saw your video with the compass, indeed the compass isnt moving, but I could only see one needle, and it was pointing to the center. So, maybe If you make another video, hold the coil on its side, so the needle doesnt become stuck as it will be dragged down.

It would be a nice video to see the aluminium floating!

Hi Evostar,
The two compass are static even before i start feed the circuit because the needles are in their normal position .
You could see too, after i approach the magnet they change their position under the strong magnetic field of magnet but  they return to their normal position even far way outside of coil .  At minute 1:18 i put one of compass under the wire that feed the load (bulb) and their position should change  but needle not change in their position .

I will try next week making new video to show that and aluminum foil levitate .

cheers

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