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Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1170 on: April 23, 2017, 08:11:41 PM »
Nope, I am not willfully demeaning or degrading anybody, that is all just a bunch of spin.  Sure, sometimes I have pushed back when I am pushed on, that's normal and I am only human.

The essence of this whole pitch is this:  I will question something or comment honestly on it's validity or usefulness and that is twisted into "demeaning or degrading" something or someone.

Well, it's NOT TRUE and you have to be a big enough person to see this, just like you have to be a big enough person to do an experiment and hear that it has no real value towards the goal you are trying to reach if that is indeed the case.

And doing that has real value and you know it.

Who says that I "demand respect" and the negative connotations associated with that?  The answer is YOU doing a spin job on me.  Don't you dare say I am a troll.  Do you remember your one full year of super trolling when you teamed up with Synchro1?  I am no troll, that is just another ridiculous gratuitous negative spin.

Who says that I am "belittling people" and the negative connotations associated with that?  One more time, the answer is YOU doing a spin job on me.

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But purposely you pad with incorrect values and functions that are only to degrade the subject to make it look as bad as possible

Did you not hear what I already told you?  I did not "purposely" pad anything.  That whole story is just more negative spin and more seriously, you succumbing to your obsessive fixation with me and falling back into your bad ways.  You know exactly what I am talking about.

What am I trying to accomplish?  Simple, I am asking if there is any practical use or value to the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  That's what I am really trying to discuss, SERIOUSLY.  So why can't you just discuss it and stop all of this nonsense?

Somebody says, "Look, I can light a light bulb with a Tesla series bifilar pancake coil."  And I say "So what, there are better ways to do that."  And you guys are going to get all butt-hurt for me saying something that is true?  But here is the issue that frustrates me:  NONE of you would have spoken the TRUTH like I did.  If you can't speak the TRUTH, then you've got nothing.

Talk about the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  That's what I am here for, to talk about that.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1171 on: April 23, 2017, 08:15:32 PM »
Are these supposed to be the hard questions that no one else is asking??

No, they are the hard questions that so far nobody is ANSWERING.

Since you guys are all so butt hurt that I speak the truth, I will wait a couple of weeks and just watch to see if anything tangible gets accomplished.  Will there be a valid answer to my legitimate questions?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1172 on: April 23, 2017, 08:47:22 PM »
No, they are the hard questions that so far nobody is ANSWERING.

Since you guys are all so butt hurt that I speak the truth, I will wait a couple of weeks and just watch to see if anything tangible gets accomplished.  Will there be a valid answer to my legitimate questions?

And just what does butt hurt actually mean?  And after your previous post of you only speaking truth and technical, and you are not disrespecting anyone? I know exactly what you mean by that, and so do others.

 
So again, what did you actually(exactly) mean by 'butt hurt' in your statement?  I want to know the complete technical aspect of the term as is corresponds to the topic, as you previously on this very page described your angelic social personality here, and claimed that is all you are here for is providing truth to the topic at hand and not being disrespectful of anyone.

Now I will address the previous post...

Mags

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1173 on: April 23, 2017, 08:54:08 PM »
No, they are the hard questions that so far nobody is ANSWERING.

Since you guys are all so butt hurt that I speak the truth, I will wait a couple of weeks and just watch to see if anything tangible gets accomplished.  Will there be a valid answer to my legitimate questions?

Seems you need the hemorrhoid cream MH.

There are people working on ANSWERING those questions,, and YOU have no way of knowing if they have already supplied those answers elsewhere.

They are not YOUR questions MH,, they are the very questions that a lot of people are asking and researching.

Why don't you take a crack at the few simple questions I posed?  Afraid they might supply the answer you do not want to be found?

Here are some more,

What happens if you change the distance of separation of the turns?
Can you ionize the air and cause it to move?
Can you increase the voltage high enough to create Ozone?
What impact would Ozone creation have on the dielectric part of the capacitance?

These simple little questions that you have not asked or pondered would be required by the scientific method,, and yet where are you in using that approach,, it is nowhere to be found in your approach of your statements of certainty.

Wait a couple of weeks??? isn't that MH code for "I need to have a Googlegasm or 6".

Please feel free to remove\edit any of my posts, I will not have a problem with that decision.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1174 on: April 23, 2017, 09:53:32 PM »
Nope, I am not willfully demeaning or degrading anybody, that is all just a bunch of spin.  Sure, sometimes I have pushed back when I am pushed on, that's normal and I am only human.

The essence of this whole pitch is this:  I will question something or comment honestly on it's validity or usefulness and that is twisted into "demeaning or degrading" something or someone.

Well, it's NOT TRUE and you have to be a big enough a person to see this, just like you have to be a big enough person to do an experiment and hear that it has no real value towards the goal you are trying to reach if that is indeed the case.

And doing that has real value and you know it.

Who says that I "demand respect" and the negative connotations associated with that?  The answer is YOU doing a spin job on me.  Don't you dare say I am a troll.  Do you remember your one full year of super trolling when you teamed up with Synchro1?  I am no troll, that is just another ridiculous gratuitous negative spin.

Who says that I am "belittling people" and the negative connotations associated with that?  One more time, the answer is YOU doing a spin job on me.

Did you not hear what I already told you?  I did not "purposely" pad anything.  That whole story is just more negative spin and more seriously, you succumbing to your obsessive fixation with me and falling back into your bad ways.  You know exactly what I am talking about.

What am I trying to accomplish?  Simple, I am asking if there is any practical use or value to the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  That's what I am really trying to discuss, SERIOUSLY.  So why can't you just discuss it and stop all of this nonsense?

Somebody says, "Look, I can light a light bulb with a Tesla series bifilar pancake coil."  And I say "So what, there are better ways to do that."  And you guys are going to get all butt-hurt for me saying something that is true?  But here is the issue that frustrates me:  NONE of you would have spoken the TRUTH like I did.  If you can't speak the TRUTH, then you've got nothing.

Talk about the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  That's what I am here for, to talk about that.

"Nope, I am not willfully demeaning or degrading anybody"   

Oh yeah? Well in the next post after this one you describe everyone as butt hurt, like you got some sexual gratification from that or something.  Your words, your mindset.  Go ahead and define butt hurt as you stated it.  Im dying to here your smear on that one to 'try' and make it seems like anything else than what it actually means. Your pathetic from one post to the next.

Again, I just tear you up with your own statements.


"The essence of this whole pitch is this:  I will question something or comment honestly on it's validity or usefulness and that is twisted into "demeaning or degrading" something or someone.

Ok then. Should I go through just the last 10 pages and repost quotes and links of your posts and it will definitely show you lie about demeaning and or degrading someone. You know I have done it before and you cried injustice. Just this page alone you call us butt hurt and that we do not understand coils at all, etc, etc. of which both just from this page cover the demeaning and degrading portion of your above statement. There is much more in the past 10 pages that refute your statement again and again.


"Well, it's NOT TRUE and you have to be a big enough a person to see this, just like you have to be a big enough person to do an experiment and hear that it has no real value towards the goal you are trying to reach if that is indeed the case."

What a load of crap!! I HAVE to hear that it has no real value towards the goal you are trying to reach???  WHAT??? Do you think you can hypnotize me with your suggestive speak?  Heck no I dont HAVE to do that, along with you basically calling me a small person by saying i have to be big enough??  Jeckle and hide from post to post.


"Who says that I "demand respect" and the negative connotations associated with that?  The answer is YOU doing a spin job on me.  Don't you dare say I am a troll.  Do you remember your one full year of super trolling when you teamed up with Synchro1?  I am no troll, that is just another ridiculous gratuitous negative spin.

lol, you still bringing that up like you have it to cut and paste to put out a fire in your lap. I put shmackdown on you and you spin it as I was the one that thought that a red led lit at 1.5v.  lol Get over it jim. It aint working anymore.  ::)


"Did you not hear what I already told you?  I did not "purposely" pad anything.  That whole story is just more negative spin and more seriously, you succumbing to your obsessive fixation with me and falling back into your bad ways.  You know exactly what I am talking about."

Well i believe that you purposely do pad to protect your view.  Like why is it always when you pull these mistakes, it always seems to fall more towards your benefit and making things look really bad as compared to the actual truth? Its never a 'mistake' that would make your agenda look bad, it is always the other very negative looking direction. So I claim that I do believe you pad on purpose. That is that. You cant change MY mind on that.



"What am I trying to accomplish?  Simple, I am asking if there is any practical use or value to the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  That's what I am really trying to discuss, SERIOUSLY.  So why can't you just discuss it and stop all of this nonsense?"

You know very well that just because you have asked the question and that others do not answer you now does not say that there is no answer. And you perpetuate that there will be no answer and you purposely just about every day try to propagandize the idea that there absolutely will never be an answer to indoctrinate the readers into your tiny little world. Yeah, thats the way I see it.

Ive written you off long ago. So most of what you post is meaningless to me.


"Somebody says, "Look, I can light a light bulb with a Tesla series bifilar pancake coil."  And I say "So what, there are better ways to do that."  And you guys are going to get all butt-hurt for me saying something that is true?  But here is the issue that frustrates me:  NONE of you would have spoken the TRUTH like I did.  If you can't speak the TRUTH, then you've got nothing."

Again, butt hurt.  So you are suggesting, again, what?  Oh, that you kicked butts and thats why they hurt? I was beginning to think you might have had relations with some of the guys, as butt hurt usually relates to that. ;) Your words, your mindset.

http://persephonemagazine.com/2013/01/can-we-please-stop-using-the-term-butthurt/

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1174 on: April 23, 2017, 09:53:32 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1175 on: April 23, 2017, 10:40:24 PM »
I was beginning to think you might have had relations with some of the guys, as butt hurt usually relates to that.

Well, you really made yourself look good with that comment.

I put shmackdown on you and you spin it as I was the one that thought that a red led lit at 1.5v.

You didn't put a "shmackdown" on me about the "critical" issue of the forward voltage of a LED.  Along with Synchro1, you demeaned and degraded me for one full year and it was mostly a discussion about a faked pulse motor clip on YouTube that you thought might be real.  It was mean and ugly and gratuitous and horrible.  You were like some crazed person at a lynching.  We all saw what Sychro1's behaviour was like on this very thread.

For all the readers, imagine the same thing for one full year but coming from two people instead of one.  How would you like to be in that position, attacked and demeaned and degraded every single day by Magluvin and Synchro1, like some tag-team from hell?  That gross and disgusting misconduct by you and Synchro1 is to both of your eternal shame.  You have absolutely nothing to be "proud" of about that.  Your inner beast came out, your Id, and it was absolutely disgusting and revolting.  And to double-down on your shame, you have never even had the character to apologize for it.  There is the real smack-down for you.  Your character is permanently stained by that incident.

So I claim that I do believe you pad on purpose. That is that. You cant change MY mind on that.

So here we go again.  It took me nearly two hours to make that posting doing the power analysis for the self-resonating coil.  By the way, that power analysis is something that you have never seen on a website devoted to researching energy, have you?  I wouldn't be surprised if the idea for doing this never even occurred to you.  I was using the so-so Windows calculator and I had to do about a dozen or so calculations.  Then to be sure that I am right I then always work the calculations back from the complimentary formula to make sure that things check out.  And one of my calculations was not checking out.  I went over and over it and calculated it again and again and it was not checking out.  I was getting really tired and frustrated, I could not see where I was messing up.  Finally, after a long time I realized that in one of my formulas I had the numerator and denominator backwards, and that's why the double-check was not working.  Finally, after a ton of effort I got it right.  Then I had to plug the proper resistance value into the formulas now that they were finally working.  I thought, oh no, I am so tired and now I have to watch Conrad's clips over again and see if I can catch him stating the value of the coil resistance.  I was too tired and I recalled watching TK's clip and decided to take his number because by this point I was exhausted.

So IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?  I go through all this effort to make a contribution and I get useless crap and gratuitous negative spinning from you.  And not a single comment from anybody about the actual analysis itself and what it means.

You have nothing on me, Mags, nothing.  And if somebody else got the coil resistance wrong or the forward voltage of a LED wrong, you might correct them but beyond that you would not say a single damn thing.  STOP your unhealthy sick obsession about me.

Now, I will wait a few weeks to see if anything comes of this thread.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1176 on: April 23, 2017, 10:51:41 PM »


Now, I will wait a few weeks to see if anything comes of this thread.

Ok, see ya then. Cool. ;D

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1177 on: April 23, 2017, 11:07:03 PM »
Ok, see ya then. Cool. ;D

Mags

Cool Magsy, being flippant is a so-so deflection strategy and meanwhile you can contemplate the hate in your heart.

In a few weeks, looking forward to seeing the killer Tesla series bifilar pancake coil app.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1178 on: April 23, 2017, 11:46:41 PM »

Don't, keep proximity tight.....see below....


Yes I can...

Yes I can...  and as this is in the atmosphere....the production of NO is probable, if NO is being produced, NO2 is probable...if water vapor is present NO3 is probable...(Dog One, if you're following the drama, this is what I was referring to with regards to Meyers...)

Not so much the ozone, the ionization itself, manifesting where it's manifesting, puts one in a position where capacitance as a parameter can be varied via manipulating the "degree of ionization", this in addition to what we already have and are actively manipulating...basically shit gets stupid complicated, and you start losing machines........


Most astute observation!

Thanks for the answers and the caution.

Would you say you are not really using the coil as "just a coil",, more like a control device?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1179 on: April 24, 2017, 10:02:51 AM »
These guys actually do experiments and work with coils, of which you are only cut, past and link.
And whether they tell you all they know or not, you assume and publicly degrade their knowledge, basically compared to your cut paste and link role here. Respect that.

If you would like, as I have done very well in the past, I can cut, paste AND link you being disrespectful here in this thread alone. Respect that.

You probably have more posts here than anyone and not even a resistor or cheap dvm on the kitchen table. Nothing.  And you 'demand respect'. Oh how I cower when TK grabs your hand and helps you up on a pedestal made of wet mud. Ooo, some respect from someone. ::)

Screw your respect. You are a troll here. Most of what you post is just belittling others trying to do what this site is here for. Whether there is a positive end result at the end of the day, you will be here to declare the 'Move along people, nothing more to see here, The only one here that know anything is me', EVERY DAY!!!!  Every day. You have no right to belittle anyone that 'tries', and then demand respect after delivering disrespect.  You are delusional if you think most look at you as the authority. Just look at the number of people here in this thread alone have corrected your self proclaimed mistakes.  ::) Tk can hold your hand all he wants in order to 'give' you some appearance of high standing here, yet there are times he needs to correct you here n there.  Sure you know some basics. But purposely you pad with incorrect values and functions that are only to degrade the subject to make it look as bad as possible and follow your 'nothing there" narrative.  Again, like your plugging a value of 10ohm on a uh, pf tightly wound bifi that was clearly made of at the least 18ga wire, then saying it was a mistake, and then further proclaiming that you confused TKs resistance value with Conrads. Lol, yeah, I make it a point to remember the details of what you say, as you know very well.  ;) Your 10ohm plug resulted in 'your proCLAIMED' result of 110w loss in the resistance and laid it out as an AUTHORITY figure.  Respect??  You are like CNN 'fake news'.  Maybe they have a nice vaccine with pig virus infected Australian green monkey cells, aborted baby fluids, a sprinkle of aluminum and a touch of mercury for that. All actual CDC admitted ingredients for such.

Right now I am warning you. I had laid out the conditions of this topic area that there will be no bashing or talk that pushes negative views of the subject, degrading others for their efforts and knowledge, as it is all just garbage that fills the pages and nothing gets done.  All you have done here is say 'You cant do it', 'It cant be done', 'you are all delusional', 'Nothing more to learn here'  No wonder nobody gets anything accomplished when they have to deal with you all day, page after page.

Set up a bench and cut the crap. Radioshacks are closing left and right. All components 60% off. Soldering irons, circuit boards and wires, oh my.

Show the respect that you demand and maybe you will get some that you seem to desire but not getting apparently. ;)


Mags

Mag's

Maybe have a read of a few of erfinder's post's,and you will see that MHs aint so bad.

Why dose one get a serve,and not the other?

I have read all of this thread,as it continue's,and all i see is MH stating what is obvious.

There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
Sure,we get the !erfinder's! continual rant's,on how wonderful it is,but he hasnt been able to back up his rambling's with a single thing of substance-as is the case in every thread he is in--the nothingness of everything.

So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla.

Is there anyone here,that has something out of the ordinary to show,regarding the BPC ?

Mag's,i trust in you,and so i ask you--do you,or have you found anything interesting about the BPC yet?,that dose not exist in an ordinary coil.

I know we have an even potential voltage difference between turns-unlike other coils,but what dose that do,that sets it apart from any other coil?

You know i have two identical coils(one a BPC,and the other a single wound coil),in that they have the same amount of wire,the same kind of wire,and the same physical size.
The only thing i have found different between the two,is the BPC has a lower resonant frequency-by about 26.5KHz. Other than that,they both perform the same in every way i have tested them.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1180 on: April 24, 2017, 10:38:56 AM »
well
there actually are some "anomalies" which are going to be discussed
but at the moment there is a member here calling the builders at OU.com  Liars who Hide OU
member Zephir...
and one thread has been shut down [Grum's Nelson build thread
so why start another here ?
have been waiting to hear back from Stefan about this fellow?

still waiting ,he has been moving house

has anyone bin able to reach Stefan??

I will try to call him again tonight

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1181 on: April 24, 2017, 10:51:30 AM »
snip...
There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
snip....
So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla.
snip...
My questions are, what did Tesla think was great about it?(1), and what purpose did he envision for it(2)?
His answer is :

" Let A, Fig. 1, designate any given coil the spires or convolutions of which are wound upon and insulated from each other. Let it be assumed that the terminals of this coil show a potential difference of one hundred volts, and that there are one thousand convolutions; then considering any two contiguous points on adjacent convolutions let it be assumed that there will exist between them a potential difference of one-tenth of a volt. If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil(2) as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great(1). Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased. "

From Nicola Tesla himself : https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-512340-coil-electro-magnets

Obviously Tesla thought energy storage(2) in a coil was a good thing. To do what?, is my next question, though the title of the patent, "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS" is probably the self evident answer.  :)

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1182 on: April 24, 2017, 12:44:27 PM »
Obviously Tesla thought energy storage(2) in a coil was a good thing. To do what?

Still not seeing it yet?

Have you checked this thread?

Observe the pancake coil carefully.  Do you see any core?  Where do you suppose the energy
(or whatever you would like to refer to it as) is being stored?

Capacity my friend, think about what that must be.  Try substituting the word "capacity" for
"ability to __________".

Hint:  Jack fills in the blank in this post.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1183 on: April 24, 2017, 01:34:33 PM »
Mag's

Maybe have a read of a few of erfinder's post's,and you will see that MHs aint so bad.

Why dose one get a serve,and not the other?

I have read all of this thread,as it continue's,and all i see is MH stating what is obvious.

There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
Sure,we get the !erfinder's! continual rant's,on how wonderful it is,but he hasnt been able to back up his rambling's with a single thing of substance-as is the case in every thread he is in--the nothingness of everything.

So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla.

Is there anyone here,that has something out of the ordinary to show,regarding the BPC ?

Mag's,i trust in you,and so i ask you--do you,or have you found anything interesting about the BPC yet?,that dose not exist in an ordinary coil.

I know we have an even potential voltage difference between turns-unlike other coils,but what dose that do,that sets it apart from any other coil?

You know i have two identical coils(one a BPC,and the other a single wound coil),in that they have the same amount of wire,the same kind of wire,and the same physical size.
The only thing i have found different between the two,is the BPC has a lower resonant frequency-by about 26.5KHz. Other than that,they both perform the same in every way i have tested them.


Brad

Hey brad

"Maybe have a read of a few of erfinder's post's,and you will see that MHs aint so bad."

But since the other day he has cleaned it up and i reflected that here already. As far as Im concerned he is fine as maybe he does not divulge his way of using the coils, he does intrigue optimism that I want to see more of. If there is something more to try with this then that is what needs to come next, as tk is done, and you agree with MH now that there is nothing more to see. Thats not the brad I thought I knew. The Brad that comes up with out of the box ideas on things that captures everyones attn. Where did ya go?  Miss ya.


'I have read all of this thread,as it continue's,and all i see is MH stating what is obvious."

Lets agree that i did say when I first entered here that i believe that there is something other than the resonant freq that we need to look at. The title of the thread does not make a claim. It names a thread on the subject. So I may have to open a new thread to avoid the resonance issue being at the chopper.  And when I or Er say something that tries to point out that there are other things to try, MH pounces on that as if he knows all else above all others imaginations. BS man, bs.

Now if you call it quits and are finished as you have not found there to be any advantages to the bifi at resonance, only by redoing others experiments, I have to sigh.


"There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
Sure,we get the !erfinder's! continual rant's,on how wonderful it is,but he hasnt been able to back up his rambling's with a single thing of substance-as is the case in every thread he is in--the nothingness of everything."

MH says there is nothing more to try. Nothing. ER says there is.  MH puts together examples using false data, where the outcome always leans even more in his favor . Er has not provided falsities that anyone can point out so far. I have found the ER will let you know if you are going in the right direction, just that you have to ask the right questions. Im ok with that. If it all turns out bunk then you can say otherwise. Mh will daily press that there are no more directions to go. Like is that warming on you here?? You removed ERs post, but mh gets to run nelson off and just puke on every new thought that arrives. Let me ask you. Just because ER does not tell you much and considering what you have seen of his vids, would you absolutely agree with MH that he does not know how a coil works??? if so, you are scaring me now. Is the world flat? Does the earth rotate around the sun?? If not, got proof?  Well back when these discoveries, earth ball, sun is the center of solar system, there were those that argued it based on the tight box surrounding them, not an open mind to new possibilities.


"So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla."

So far that is all we have tried is resonance tests and some inductive coupling tests, of which there has to be more to diversify the tests. But thats fine if you agree with mh that there is no further to go. Im not in that lot.  Ive been on and off on the bifi. Im slow. It most likely takes me more time to 'write' this stuff than most let alone... I have a deeper view of it than I ever had as in the details that make it something much different than a single wire coil or even a typical LC. Ive stated my new views and have more to state, as i get time.


"Mag's,i trust in you,and so i ask you--do you,or have you found anything interesting about the BPC yet?,that dose not exist in an ordinary coil."

I listed a couple things earlier..

Test transformer action between windings

Test with pulsed input. Not square wave where it it on and then held to 0v, pulse and let it go, spark gap, quenched or not, or some other ideas that are out there.

Test for the possibility of the internal capacitance charging before the inductor allows current to flow.  If it charges, did current flow without the impedance of the inductance? etc

Those are not ridiculous ideas. Thats just 3 things and there are more.

Im working on the idea of the possibility of 3 different voltage levels possible due to the capacitance mod of the bifi. It is in the works as to how to go about testing for that.  Yeah it is just a theory so far, but that is what we need is new things to do, not there is nothing more to see. If thats what most all this has come to then the free energy was just an imaginary fad and is fading away.

Just because nothing so far has been found does not mean that it is not there as MH presses as a certainty day in and day out.


"I know we have an even potential voltage difference between turns-unlike other coils,but what dose that do,that sets it apart from any other coil?"

I see the fact that the capacitance IS in the coil as a different thing than having a separate cap and coil of an lc..  It operates as a parallel, but would seem to be series also if we look at it electrically, the cap can only charge through the body of the coil. How does the greater charge difference between turns affect the induction, and like I said earlier, the ones that claim E field is how induction works, wouldnt one think that the field between turns of a bifi and a normal coil to possibly have a huge effect on that idea, yet it doesnt show so far?

I dont believe that the capacitance is literally increased as much as the fact that the wiring arrangement helps provide a much higher voltage level compared to a single wire coil making that capacitance capable of higher capacity because of the augmented voltage differences for each. 

There is always more to do. So maybe we make a new thread that looks beyond resonance, or we can just keep on going here.


"You know i have two identical coils(one a BPC,and the other a single wound coil),in that they have the same amount of wire,the same kind of wire,and the same physical size.
The only thing i have found different between the two,is the BPC has a lower resonant frequency-by about 26.5KHz. Other than that,they both perform the same in every way i have tested them."

I had posted a thing to try. Did TK do this already?....

Im under the impression that the bifi has a couple different capacitances and that the bifi has the augmented voltage between turns, but it also has the same capacitance between turns between end to end of the coil. So I think the bifi of the same dimensions and wire can also resonate at the same freq as the single wire coil. if so does the augmented voltage between turns also occur if it does ring up in that range? Will it be able to couple better to the single wire coil? Anything there?  Who knows? MH??  He tries to crush imagination prospects. I do not agree with that attitude at all.

Otto used to tune his coils by slightly adjusting the length of the wires, like nip a bit off at a time till it is in tune.  Where an unravel a bit at a time can do it also.


Things to do, things to do.

I gota git.

Mags

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1184 on: April 24, 2017, 01:49:57 PM »
 >:(  there are so many people there with many useful tools around and why nobody just check the magnetic field of bifilar pancake coil at resonant frequency ?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1184 on: April 24, 2017, 01:49:57 PM »

 

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