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Author Topic: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets  (Read 16666 times)

Offline Low-Q

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #90 on: March 22, 2017, 01:19:07 PM »


Can permanent magnets be used as an energy source?


According to accepted beliefs in established science, permanent magnets can only convert energy, but are not an energy source by their own.


But there are certain problems with this theory. Strange seems the fact, that very simple experiments obviously do not obey the laws of physics and yet are completely ignored by mainstream science.


One of these experiments that everybody can do at home I will now present to you. It consists of a coreless coil, about 100 turns, a 9V battery and a permanent magnet. Arrange the parts, so when you connect the battery to the coil for a brief moment, the coil will be repelled by the fixed permanent magnet. Measure how far the coil was repelled.


I am quite sure there are formulas that explicitely show how and why the coil went that far, solely based on the electric current consumption from the battery. Seemingly, that's all nice and fine.


Now replace the permanent magnet by a much bigger, stronger permanent magnet. Repeat the exact same test, with the same DC pulse to the coil. This time the coil is pushed much further away than before.


How can this be? We used the same amount of input energy from the battery, but the output as a repelling force has increased. Where does the additional energy come from, if not from the permanent magnet?


In fact, it is stupidly simple. Total force= force of permanent magnet + force of coil.


Basicly, this is exactly what we have been searching for for so long time. A way to turn on and off a permanent magnet. Actually, we turn on and off only whether the coil is reacting to the magnet or not. But the effect is the same.




Conclusions:


By increasing the strength of the permanent magnets, less energy is required by the coils to maintain the same torque.


By infinitely increasing the strength of the magnets, the coils energy requirement would decrease infinitely, while maintaining the same torque.


By infinitely increasing the strength of the magnets, the torque would increase infinitely, therefor there is no linear relation between DC coil pulse and motor torque.


It must be possible to increase the strength of the magnets up to a point, at which the torque delivers enough energy to power an (inductively isolated) conventional generator, which then powers the coil pulses. Such a device would clearly violate a bunch of laws.




Applications


Back in the 19th century magnets were weak and expensive. The introduction of the selfexciting generator without permanent magnets lowered production costs greatly. Mechanical input energy was cheap. So permanent magnet motors and generators became widely obsolete.


Today we have strong Neodymium magnets, it should be possible to obtain considerable amount of torque even with a small motor. Although a big magnet with 1000 pound pull costs maybe 2000$, smaller magnets are much cheaper and can be stacked to increase their strength.


Right now this whole thing sounds too easy and too good to be true. All I can say is I made a test, as described above, with 3 magnets: a tiny Neo, about 5mm x 3mm, a medium size Neo about 5mm x 30mm, and a large stack of 4mm Neo disks, in all about 10mm x 70mm.
Coil was 0.5mm average diameter about 20mm, height about 10mm. No core.


With the tiny Neo the coil barely fell to the side.


With the medium Neo it flew maybe 80mm.


With the large Neo stack it fulminantly flew about 200mm, but was then stopped by the wire connections.


Could it really be that simple?




The future


Permanent magnets have their limits. However, in space temperature is near 0 deg. Kelvin resulting in superconductivity, which would increase the efficiency by several magnitudes. The resulting Free Energy could be used to power greenhouse spacestations and spaceships.


But even simple "earthbound" applications may exhibit very interesting results.


The explanation to the further "jump" of the coil when using a stronger magnet is very simple.
If you calculate the kinetic energy of the coil when it has reach its highest velocity, you will see that this energy is less than the energy you apply to the coil. The stronger the magnet, the more "solid ground" it has at its drive. It's like standing on a soft versus solid ground and try to jump, but magnets will never become like a solid hard non flexible ground that makes the drive absolutely 100% efficient.
A larger magnet have a wider magnetic field that have an influence on the coils field. The magnetic field around the coil has more magnetic field lines to grab, and the repulsion will increase.
If you repeat the experiment with a non-magnetic "magnet", a piece of wood for example, the coil is still applied energy, but it will not go anywhere. Does that mean that energy is destroyed? I think not.


Your theory is well understood within loudspeaker drivers and electric motors. The larger the magnet, the higher the efficiency (Assuming that larger magnets are able to increase the flux density in the pole piece). The mechanical efficiency is easier to measure if you have an electric motor attached to a generator.


The highest magnetic density produced in the lab, is approx 36 tesla in 2016. It is literally an explosion because the materials used cannot withstand the enormous magnetic pressure that wants the magnetic material to fly apart.


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #91 on: March 22, 2017, 01:37:17 PM »
Thanks Forest. Actually the german wikipedia entry on magnetism even says "Every magnetic Field contains Energy." Although wikipedia often isn't really helpful ^^.


See it this way: if you put two magnets into a glass pipe in repelling order, the top one will float above the bottom one at a certain distance. If you replace the bottom one by a much stronger then this distance becomes larger, simply because the repulsion forces add up.


Now, it is certainly possible to limit the current draw as desired, and finally ending up just like in the pipe example with two repelling forces, that are added together.
Potential energy. Not energy. If you put a magnet inside an insolated compartment, will it heat up? No.


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #92 on: March 22, 2017, 02:27:20 PM »
YEAH FOREST NOT EVEN CLOSE MY CIRCUIT THE PM  IS
ENCLOSED IN AN IRON CORE, NOT VISIBLE...LOOK AGAIN AT MY
DESIGN..

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2017, 03:49:33 PM »
seychelles


if you want to patent then, yes it is different , but the principle used is the same, look at attached picture when Willis manipulated with magnetic field distance through core ,using coil at the end of stack of magnets attached to iron core


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2017, 04:22:21 PM »
FORREST IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT , WILLY PM IS NOT SHUNTED WITHIN THE IRON CORE .
MY VERSION WHEN THE ROTOR APPROACHES THE STATOR THERE IS VERY LITTLE MAGNETIC REPULSION,
IT AS IF TWO PIECES OF SOFT IRON CORE APPROACHES EACH OTHER.. WILLYS HAS THE PM AT THE END OF THE CORE
AND ACCORDING TO YOUR PICS THE ROTOR HAS EXPOSED PM ON IT.. DIFFERENT TOTALLY DIFFERENT..
 

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2017, 04:22:21 PM »
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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #95 on: March 22, 2017, 06:20:13 PM »
Potential energy. Not energy. If you put a magnet inside an insolated compartment, will it heat up? No.


Vidar


What is the potential is a field that results from self-magnetization?
and where does this "energy" come from?


I would argue that there is no more "potential energy" in a field than
there is in a spring.
Unless, and except when, the forces CAUSING the field are the result of
a reversible process.

On another note: the interactions between two or more fields
can result in energy transformation from a source,
to a reference point from our perspective.


That is to say, "energy" does not come from the magnets,
except by a reversible process which destroys the magnet.
However, magnets can be used to convert energy.
From mechanical to electrical, or vice versa.


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2017, 06:45:49 PM »
A METAL SPRING IS DEAD AS A CORPSE , A PM IS ALIVE..IT DOES NOT HOLD ENERGY  AS SUCH.
BUT IT IS AT RESONANCE WITH ETHER THE SOURCE OF ALL ENERGIES...SAME A MAGNIFYING
GLASS IT IS AT RESONANCE WITH THE SUN TO BURN A HOLE IN THE PAPER IN FOCUS. THERE
NO ENERGY IN THE MAGNIFYING GLASS BUT THE SUN.

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
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Online forest

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #97 on: March 22, 2017, 06:46:19 PM »
Energy comes from magnetic field of magnet - being a broken symmetry of vacuum or ether flow whatever you wish. This energy comes from outside of our 3-dimensional space and comes back so the net amount is ZERO.You can imagine our space as a flat paper while the magnetic field is coming at 90 degrees in one place and back in other place. We still do not know the proper way to extract this energy without inertial moving of magnet - but that's only engineering problem

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #98 on: March 22, 2017, 06:48:45 PM »
Even Maxwell equations with slight modification (normalization of used constants)  clearly tech us about the flow of ether.

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #99 on: March 22, 2017, 10:48:56 PM »
yeah,no even close  ::)
Hi Forest,
how this wheelbarrow works?
Than you

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #100 on: March 22, 2017, 11:44:06 PM »
Hi Forest,
how this wheelbarrow works?
Than you


Read Richard Willis patent

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #101 on: March 23, 2017, 12:57:15 AM »

Read Richard Willis patent

You are so sure of yourself that he is not a low-life criminal con artist even though the majority of people believe that he is a con artist.  Do you have any electronics bench skills and a place to work?  If yes then why don't you read the patent and build it yourself and demonstrate a free energy machine for us.  It will be the biggest news story of the 21st century.


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #102 on: March 23, 2017, 08:08:46 AM »
You are so sure of yourself that he is not a low-life criminal con artist even though the majority of people believe that he is a con artist.  Do you have any electronics bench skills and a place to work?  If yes then why don't you read the patent and build it yourself and demonstrate a free energy machine for us.  It will be the biggest news story of the 21st century.




Unless a free energy machine could feed people, warm homes and eliminate pollution and wars - I'm not interested in any demonstration. Make a legal and supported way to spread this technology to fix this planet and you will see many demonstrations

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #103 on: March 23, 2017, 11:06:52 AM »
Hi to all,  :)

please forgive me but because of the huge amount of information in this blog I am still on a low knowledge level.
I think it would be better to come back to the original topic.

I wonder why the results are not known here: http://overunity.com/4300/a-truly-overunity-transformer-meg/

Unfortunately, the topic is asleep there and most links no longer work.
I have recently contacted the inventor and he has written to me that this year he would like to become more active and also to bring out more information.

Best regards

fr


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #104 on: March 23, 2017, 12:12:17 PM »
FORREST I LIVE IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY , SO LET US START BY THE PM SWITCH.
ALL ONE NEED IS A SOFT IRON ROD ..APPROXIMATELY 6 CM DIAMETER AND DRILL
AN APPROPRIATE SIZE HOLE TO PLACE THE NIB PM .. THEN JUST PLACE A SOLENOID
AROUND IT WIRED ACCORDINGLY AND TEST THE MAG STRENGTH..

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
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