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Author Topic: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets  (Read 15832 times)

Offline dieter

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2017, 10:35:10 PM »
@Luc, I wouldn't be here if I wasn't somebody who has to try everything by his own. That should not surprise anybody. Of course I don't expect you to go backwards. But I have to say, without a core this is really diffrent.

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2017, 10:45:34 PM »
This is what you said:

And then you link to your clip.  Is there any optical velocity measurement in your clip?

Enough Luc, go reread everything and I know you will understand it perfectly well.  If you are trolling me them shame on you.  I posted an experiment to advance the understanding for everybody so they could prove to themselves that "a bigger magnet is not 'adding energy.'"  That is the topic of discussion.

As usual MH, pointless to explain

That's it from me

Luc


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2017, 10:51:55 PM »
@Luc, I wouldn't be here if I wasn't somebody who has to try everything by his own. That should not surprise anybody. Of course I don't expect you to go backwards. But I have to say, without a core this is really diffrent.

Dieter, if you want me to test this you'll first have to provide a video demo of your device, method of measurements and test results.

This is what I provide when presenting an interesting effect.

Looking forward to your video

Luc

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2017, 10:58:32 PM »
@Luc, see Skywatchets first tube link. It's the same.


Only my Pm was fixed and the coil loose. Too trivial for me, to mark this device with an ID-verified google cookie by using a youtube account, btw.


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2017, 11:02:12 PM »
Can somebody quote MHs experiment suggestion pls?

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2017, 11:02:12 PM »
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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2017, 11:08:07 PM »
@Luc, see Skywatchets first tube link. It's the same.

Only my Pm was fixed and the coil loose. Too trivial for me, to mark this device with an ID-verified google cookie by using a youtube account, btw.

I did see those videos years back when they were first posted and again when skywatcher posted them here.

The measurements are not complete, so these tests prove nothing.
If you or anyone else think these tests are proof, then you're not understanding how to correctly evaluate this.

I have given you the link to the details on how to measure this correctly. Read the topic.
Forget about MH velocity test. It's too complicated.
Do the option test MH added, which is what I did years back in the topic I told you to read.

MH quote:
Or you can flip the whole experiment on its side and measure the maximum height the pulsed coil jumps against gravity

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gotoluc quote:
measure the travel distance (weight) of the coil against gravity with a fixed (measured) Joule energy discharge to the coil and compare it to the distance conventional theory says it can travel.

It's that simple and all you have to do.
The math formula and xl sheet is in my topic

Luc

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2017, 11:39:39 PM »
@Luc, it's not that I don't know how to accurately test it. I just didn't do that yet. That being said, the cap test isn't really that bad. Lower capacitance gives shorter pulse, something to experiment with.


I like to think it trough before building stuff.

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2017, 11:51:37 PM »
BTW, is this right:


2200uF at 7 V is about 50 millijoule?


That in a 6 ohm coil sounds like a short pulse.


(that was in my crude cap test)

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2017, 12:17:54 AM »
Forget about MH velocity test. It's too complicated.

With a little bit of thought and effort it shouldn't be that hard at all.  You paint a tiny white dot on the coil.  You position your 16-megapixel cell phone camera and take a reference picture of a measuring tape where the coil would be.  You load the video clip into your video editor and advance frame by frame and measure the distance traveled.  Assume that you are shooting at 60 fps with a very fast shutter speed.  You can even make a spreadsheet to get nearly instant velocity measurements in meters per second.

With a little bit of practice you will be making optical velocity measurements in no time at all.  With a bit more work on the spreadsheet and some extra measurements you could also measure acceleration and RPM.

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2017, 12:24:37 AM »
Can somebody quote MHs experiment suggestion pls?

LOL

You can only see my postings if you enter the forbidden zone.  Who has a book to unburn?

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2017, 03:06:23 AM »
BTW, is this right:


2200uF at 7 V is about 50 millijoule?


That in a 6 ohm coil sounds like a short pulse.


(that was in my crude cap test)

it would be nice to know the initial speed - should show the kinetic energy produced.

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2017, 06:37:27 AM »
 Deiter  different magnets react in different way to an energy pulse like an EMF discharge… Energy is converted  with a more efficient conversion to mechanical power..   Neo-Magnets are the best !!
 
Please look at this clip of  “Bruce DePalma” that made  the  “N-1 Homopolar Generator “.. from 1988  a local PBS radio show that was video recorded.. ( Yes he  is THE guy)..
His rotor is made of  Neo’s …(R.I.P. B. Depalma
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSeTrO5U2zw
 
And “yes” there are already machines that are running on this principle …
 
Neo Magnets.. are really UNIQUE …!!!  YOU ARE RIGHT  !!!
 
Here is another clip of  that application… from India... Go figure that these must be owners who don't know about energy conservation ???

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt21J3Oll-8 one from
 
 
P.s.              find the “diesel generator here “…..Published on Jun 6, 2016
FUEL-LESS,NON-POLLUTED AN ALTERNATE POWER SOURCE
 
 
Acca..
 
If you want one let me know… Sorry the motors are in Poland on E-Bay a 300KW
It’s $17,000. plus shipping..
http://www.ebay.pl/itm/PMG-PMA-Brushless-Magnet-Generator-300kw-1500rpm-/282379098504?hash=item41bf1b1988:g:DzYAAOxyeR9THH9U
 
http://www.ebay.pl/sch/wind_energy/m.html?item=282379098504&hash=item41bf1b1988%3Ag%3ADzYAAOxyeR9THH9U&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
 
http://www.weiku.com/products/19744659/20kw_900rpm_3000rpm_High_Efficiency_Permanent_Magnet_Generator.html
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agkr53VJnvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zexS-QOnC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIZXhuJWtMI
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8CEKgzTHOY


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2017, 03:21:03 PM »
BTW, is this right:


2200uF at 7 V is about 50 millijoule?


That in a 6 ohm coil sounds like a short pulse.


(that was in my crude cap test)

Use this calculator: http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Capacitor-Energy-Time-Constant-Calculator.phtml

Also, a coil also has an ideal on time (time constant) so a controlled on time switch between the capacitor and coil is preferable.
You ideally want a capacitor large enough not to experience a very large voltage drop from the on time once the coils ideal time constant is found.
Calculate the capacitors Joule energy before and after to find the coils consumption for its lift distance against gravity.
Use the math formula posted in my topic to find your score.

Best of luck

Luc

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2017, 03:57:30 PM »
Deiter  different magnets react in different way to an energy pulse like an EMF discharge… Energy is converted  with a more efficient conversion to mechanical power..   Neo-Magnets are the best !!
 
Please look at this clip of  “Bruce DePalma” that made  the  “N-1 Homopolar Generator “.. from 1988  a local PBS radio show that was video recorded.. ( Yes he  is THE guy)..
His rotor is made of  Neo’s …(R.I.P. B. Depalma
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSeTrO5U2zw
 
And “yes” there are already machines that are running on this principle …
 
Neo Magnets.. are really UNIQUE …!!!  YOU ARE RIGHT  !!!
 
Here is another clip of  that application… from India... Go figure that these must be owners who don't know about energy conservation ???

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt21J3Oll-8 one from
 
 
P.s.              find the “diesel generator here “…..Published on Jun 6, 2016
FUEL-LESS,NON-POLLUTED AN ALTERNATE POWER SOURCE
 
 
Acca..
 
If you want one let me know… Sorry the motors are in Poland on E-Bay a 300KW
It’s $17,000. plus shipping..
http://www.ebay.pl/itm/PMG-PMA-Brushless-Magnet-Generator-300kw-1500rpm-/282379098504?hash=item41bf1b1988:g:DzYAAOxyeR9THH9U
 
http://www.ebay.pl/sch/wind_energy/m.html?item=282379098504&hash=item41bf1b1988%3Ag%3ADzYAAOxyeR9THH9U&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
 
http://www.weiku.com/products/19744659/20kw_900rpm_3000rpm_High_Efficiency_Permanent_Magnet_Generator.html
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agkr53VJnvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zexS-QOnC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIZXhuJWtMI
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8CEKgzTHOY

Dear Acca

I don't have time to go through all the videos you posted.
Is there one that clearly demonstrates power in vs power out?
That is the very first thing that must be considered. If not, then how can this help anyone?
Real research is about real results!... so ignore and stop spreading information that don't have a video demo clearly demonstrating this as you are not helping the OU research cause and doing quite the contrary. Post only proof.
Also, if what you post is not directly related to the topic (like what you posted) please start a new topic.
Sorry to come down on you but I get fed up with all the unproven garbage that keeps being perpetuated by people that don't build or test claims.

If I am wrong and you have built and tested this, please accept my apology and post your video demo in a new topic and I will be the first one to support and replicate.

Regards

Luc


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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2017, 05:38:02 PM »
The future

Permanent magnets have their limits. However, in space temperature is near 0 deg. Kelvin resulting in superconductivity, which would increase the efficiency by several magnitudes. The resulting Free Energy could be used to power greenhouse spacestations and spaceships.

Reality has given us a proper and correct perspective.  We found out that using a larger magnet allowed the energizing pulse to become more efficient resulting in more push on the coil and less waste heat being burned off in the coil.  Our mistake was that we forgot to consider the all-important waste heat.  We deceived ourselves into thinking that the larger magnet was somehow acting like a source of energy when the energy actually came from the electrical pulse to the coil the whole time.

Superconductivity will do nothing special and not result in any extra energy.  So there is not going to be any free energy from magnets that can be used to power greenhouses or space stations or spaceships.

The right scientific test is a test that tries to account for all of the energy from the supplied electrical pulse to the coil.  From what I can see my test is the only test that tries to account for all of this energy and actually measure it.  If your measurements yield good data that confirms the hypothesis then you can congratulate yourself for doing a good experiment.  If you want to be really serious, you add estimated error tolerances to all of your measurements.

The conclusion:  Magnets are not a source of energy.

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Re: Simple Experiment: Extraction of Energy from Permanent Magnets
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