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Offline Turbo

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2017, 08:04:21 PM »
Ladies and Gentelmans,
Here it is.
US3085189


Regards,
Pix

OMG you really found it !

Now we can all start building TPU's and save the planet.

Thank you so much !


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2017, 08:28:27 PM »
Ladies and Gentelmans,
Here it is.
US3085189

Regards,
Pix

Thanks for the patent PIX, it does show some interesting ideas, if it really works.

High points that seem to correlate somewhat with the TPU are:

Rectification (DC output) due to unidirectional motion of electrons in a gas, metal lattice or air. (the big one)

Use of a transmission line and travelling wave.

Acceleration of electrons close to the wave velocity (also big)

There is more but I guess we will have to build it and test it. Should not be that difficult. Same for the NMR stuff.

Regarding the NMR stuff, some folks use a slowly ramping DC current sawtooth or triangle wave for the bias coils and fixed frequency gated RF for the main coils in an attempt to slowly sweep through the range of the  NMR sweet spot (largest return echo).

This because NMR devices are very high Q and require precise frequency control as well as  gauss control and it is not that easy to hit the target combination.

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2017, 09:15:31 PM »

Thanks for the patent PIX, it does show some interesting ideas, if it really works.

High points that seem to correlate somewhat with the TPU are:

Rectification (DC output) due to unidirectional motion of electrons in a gas, metal lattice or air. (the big one)

Use of a transmission line and travelling wave.

Acceleration of electrons close to the wave velocity (also big)

There is more but I guess we will have to build it and test it. Should not be that difficult. Same for the NMR stuff.

Regarding the NMR stuff, some folks use a slowly ramping DC current sawtooth or triangle wave for the bias coils and fixed frequency gated RF for the main coils in an attempt to slowly sweep through the range of the  NMR sweet spot (largest return echo).

This because NMR devices are very high Q and require precise frequency control as well as  gauss control and it is not that easy to hit the target combination.

Regards
There is more:
1.Electrons drag, resulting from travelling wave , is enchancing travelling wave ( in SM words "it feeds itself')
2."Squeezing of the garden hose" analogy.
There is another patent, from 1890-tens, very similiar setup.
SM did used this patent, that's why guys from Atomic Energy Commision did warned him and shut up. This has been mentioned in one of Mannix interwiew with SM.
Anyway.
Everybody, please be welcome to explore what I just revealed.


Regards,
Pix.

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2017, 09:16:12 PM »

OMG you really found it !

Now we can all start building TPU's and save the planet.

Thank you so much !


You are welcome.


Regards,
Pix


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2017, 09:32:57 PM »
When I first skimmed the patent, I thought well, close, but no cigar, SM did not use gas tubes.

 On a more thorough read, I can see that this is a very good find and good fit for the TPU as it shows that the travelling wave can effect (drag) the electrons in a solid metallic conductor or semiconductor (the collector) so a gas tube is not necessarily needed.

There are many other statements in the patent that make it a very good TPU fit if it works as claimed.

If you have any related patents, by all means do post them. Meanwhile I will search the citations of the patent.

Thanks again

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2017, 09:32:57 PM »
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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2017, 09:50:04 PM »

When I first scanned the patent, I thought well, close but no cigar, SM did not use gas tubes.

 On a more thorough read, I can see that this is a very good find and good fit for the TPU as it shows that the travelling wave can effect the electrons in a solid metallic conductor or semiconductor (the collector) so a gas tube is not necessarily needed.

If you have any related pa
Exactly what just revealed patent states that  travelling wave drags electrons in metallic conductor, the same way as in the gases or plasma. Tokamak related plasma heating stuff, by current drive.
Here is much more earlier patent:
US847,008


Regards,
Pix

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2017, 10:28:27 PM »
Exactly what just revealed patent states that  travelling wave drags electrons in metallic conductor, the same way as in the gases or plasma. Tokamak related plasma heating stuff, by current drive.
Here is much more earlier patent:
US847,008


Regards,
Pix

Not sure about the above quoted patent. I and a lot of others have done experiments using iron wire as the core of a transformer or induction device, and I can say that I never was able to observe anything noteworthy. Maybe others have.

Also the early date of the patent rules out RF excitation, unless by spark gap and resonant circuit or LF generator, as vacuum tubes had not yet been invented. No reference to a RF excitation is given.

I think your first patent hits the nail on the head. I started to use a highlighter for the good parts, but soon the whole pages were yellowed.  ;)

I searched the citations in the Thoneman et al patent and the first one was the closest, 2096460

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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2017, 01:30:12 AM »
And we have successfully diverted attention and started a new patent hunt.
The only problem is that patents aren't going to help.... the only thing that can help, are results.

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2017, 01:54:19 AM »
And we have successfully diverted attention and started a new patent hunt.
The only problem is that patents aren't going to help.... the only thing that can help, are results.

No I'm finished with the patent hunts, there is enough in the first patent that fits the TPU like a key pushing the tumblers of a lock.

Problem is, a lot of patents don't actually work, but this one reads as if the experiments and reporting are real with some graphs of input RF current vs output current.

Other problem is, a lot of folks (including myself) have swept RF through custom built transmission line coils like this without anything interesting happening and not a hint of DC on the collector.  I and another person have been working on the transmission line method for a few months now in our spare time with nothing significant to report.

The NMR direction is also a viable path but no one yet seems to have results from those experiments either. And by results I mean a stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated, not something hooked to a power supply gobbling up watts while lighting a tiny LED.

The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.

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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2017, 10:10:53 AM »
This world is full of idiots.
The only way for them to have a working tpu (stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated) is when someone else will deliver one at their doorstep.
And that isn't going to happen soon.
I'm working with the largest energy corporations, to hook it up to the net, like wind and solar.
This is the most logical economic step.
So even if you are using tpu power in the future, your still gonna have to pay for it....

Just like anything else, really.
Unless you are going to get your hands dirty, and what are the odds that that is going to happen ??
.....

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2017, 11:22:23 AM »

This world is full of idiots.
The only way for them to have a working tpu (stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated) is when someone else will deliver one at their doorstep.
And that isn't going to happen soon.
I'm working with the largest energy corporations, to hook it up to the net, like wind and solar.
This is the most logical economic step.
So even if you are using tpu power in the future, your still gonna have to pay for it....

Just like anything else, really.
Unless you are going to get your hands dirty, and what are the odds that that is going to happen ??
.....
Turbo.
Just for your information.
I also did get my hands "dirty" trying various setups.
It took me many years of detective-like search, sorting out garbage from important information, putting togethet bits of information here and there.
TPU has been in the back of my head for years, and instead of sit down in the front of TV with a sixpack of beer, I devoted my free time to search for answer.
And finally I found it ( in my opinion)  in November last Year and yesterday  I shared this information with you guys.
Everybody had the same chances as I had.
The patent I did posted here from 1907 is just for information, it is very interesting and it gave me a hint where to look- and I found the BIG ONE: US3085189
Too many information in this setup comes along with TPU.
Now is a time to get our hands dirty again, and test this one.


Regards,
Pix




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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2017, 11:41:36 AM »

No I'm finished with the patent hunts, there is enough in the first patent that fits the TPU like a key pushing the tumblers of a lock.

Problem is, a lot of patents don't actually work, but this one reads as if the experiments and reporting are real with some graphs of input RF current vs output current.

Other problem is, a lot of folks (including myself) have swept RF through custom built transmission line coils like this without anything interesting happening and not a hint of DC on the collector.  I and another person have been working on the transmission line method for a few months now in our spare time with nothing significant to report.

The NMR direction is also a viable path but no one yet seems to have results from those experiments either. And by results I mean a stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated, not something hooked to a power supply gobbling up watts while lighting a tiny LED.

The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.


Pay attention to statement in the patent, that simple multiphase coil array setup (coils switched on/off) have similiar effect as travelling wave.
I am bit not familiar with loaded transmission line stuff yet.
So, the first one I am going to test is 3 phase driven coils, each driven from single phase- arranged in linear or circular fashion , placed over copper wire collector. I am going to use my 1 phase, 230V/ 3 phase,380V frequency converter ( industrial motor speed control) that gives me possibility to run output frequency up to 800Hz. I will test how such alternatively switched coils may have effect on the collector coil output.
I am also considering possibility to put a diode in series with collector coil.
"Squeezing the garden hose".
This idea is very similiar to "coil gun".


Regards,
Pix


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2017, 12:00:32 PM »
After watching Akula's 1W TPU tear down this is what I came up with.
In the schematic I omitted control windings so that the principle of operation is seen more clearly.
Faraday's law states that whenever there is a changing E field in time there is a magnetic field changing in time and if so there must be induction.
Diving the primary with resonance frequency of this Tesla transformer configuration will create changing E field between capacitor plates and around them.
This will induce a voltage in the output winding but the resulting magnetic field will be at the right angle to the inducing so Lenz's reaction will not affect the input, I think.

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2017, 12:59:14 PM »

Pay attention to statement in the patent, that simple multiphase coil array setup (coils switched on/off) have similiar effect as travelling wave.
I am bit not familiar with loaded transmission line stuff yet.
So, the first one I am going to test is 3 phase driven coils, each driven from single phase- arranged in linear or circular fashion , placed over copper wire collector. I am going to use my 1 phase, 230V/ 3 phase,380V frequency converter ( industrial motor speed control) that gives me possibility to run output frequency up to 800Hz. I will test how such alternatively switched coils may have effect on the collector coil output.
I am also considering possibility to put a diode in series with collector coil.
"Squeezing the garden hose".
This idea is very similiar to "coil gun".


Regards,
Pix

Hi Pix

Your test with the three phase motor drive will be interesting, and I would be very interested in your results. The TPU has claimed about eleven years of my life"s spare time, and  forced an education in many new areas of physics and electronics that I don't consider a waste of time. So like you and Turbo I'm sure, we have all spent a lot our spare time on this. The best posture we could take is to be gentlemen and brothers on a quest.

As far as putting a diode in the collector remember this: The patent says a unidirectional flow of electrons is the result of the conversion. In some places, it is claimed as an AC (RF) to DC converter.

Steve Mark devices were DC output by design. If they were AC output he could have used a transformer to convert to any usable voltage he desired. This was not the case, and he needed a specially modified inverter seen in the videos to convert 90 volts DC to 120 VAC 60Hz. Voltages of his devices were all over the place, from 60 V DC to 800 VDC, with some RF hash riding on top. Adding a diode may give some DC by rectifying stray capacitance effects and be deceiving. Better to just put a small incandescent lamp or resistor directly on the output coil and look for a net DC.

If so desired you can use an RC to filter the hash so you get good readings on a meter. If you use a simple RC on the output and find a net DC on the capacitor you are getting there. All AC inductive effects must sum to zero across the capacitor as they would in any conventional pulsed transformer setup. DC output that does not appreciably load the input is the Holy Grail.

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2017, 01:08:31 PM »
After watching Akula's 1W TPU tear down this is what I came up with.
In the schematic I omitted control windings so that the principle of operation is seen more clearly.
Faraday's law states that whenever there is a changing E field in time there is a magnetic field changing in time and if so there must be induction.
Diving the primary with resonance frequency of this Tesla transformer configuration will create changing E field between capacitor plates and around them.
This will induce a voltage in the output winding but the resulting magnetic field will be at right angle to the inducing so Lenz's reaction will not affect the input, I think.

Thank you kEhyo77
There is a small secret here if you can call it like that. The internal circuitry (horizontal plane coils) is responsible for the E-part generation. At correct angles like in schematic (90deg.), it can be imposed to the output's waveshape. But also needs some "special" conditions for achieving the right time and place of imposition, having in mind only one thing. To increase the output's energy and not to degrade it.

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