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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2017, 02:54:22 AM »
Interresting Turbo...

Finally a good post has been done... But was this you? Christmas was almost 3 months ago. I also don't know what you mean with optocouplers? Aren't you seeking an analog signal, something fast and spiky? In any case, much research must be done in order to sense, store, control, and sweep, without disturbing what would be a naturally occurring system.

I appreciate these types of high effort posts that you done regarding TPU.

And thank you slamming Bruce. He never had your ability.

Bruce_TPU should retire himself. Its frustrating now finding interresting and logical POV's hidden under the bat guano.

10 years of bullshit and total air assumptions based on other things besides rigor and evidence... More of an emotional researcher type I agree...

Many years ago I had the same idea as you did. It simply requires too much rigor to "test and observe", sweep manually and look at oscilloscope... Sounds like failing strategy.

I actually thought about having an automatic AI system shoot some frequencies and record values in some high memory, then some script could find me interresting areas.

It was all a very big job tho, at the time I ad low skill, but the programming time itself might not be so killer if you think
this right and use proper circuit.

Keeping this in mind for a side project eventually. A highly sophisticated circuit project where learning is high and return could be even higher.

If we approach this with the optic that the possibilities are HUGE, but limited numerically, a good program and good system architecture will eventually find something.

But never with Arduino, that is (was) only for hobbyist, the best tehcnology is now STM32, with the CubeMX initiative you get
graphical initialization and API for ease of use, huge selection of ARM's, highest power tehcnology, lowest price components. Win,win,win,win. Proficiency in stm32 is transferrable..
« Last Edit: March 16, 2017, 07:10:43 AM by ARMCORTEX »

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2017, 07:18:19 AM »
Turbo,

I am sure there are many up for the task. This is rather basic algorithm , we can perhaps test everything in a few months depends on how fast we can change  in order to satisfy initial conditions( few seconds ?)) or if we see effect of some sort. We can perhaps speed up the process by building identical designs.

Can you lay out a block diagram and circuit of what you would like to produce.

Add in the microcontroller and tell me what should be tested and measured first. How would you go by sweeping of such Device.

Is thia a purely random polynomial with 3 working variables for every reasonably designed coil, that we know is wound right ?

Duty and freq? If it's this simple it would be doable and quite reassuring. Are you sure it will play out like this?
« Last Edit: March 16, 2017, 09:26:11 AM by ARMCORTEX »


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2017, 10:43:40 PM »
If I remember correctly, Turbo is one of the longtime researchers of the TPU going back at least to early  2006 when news of it first hit this forum with Lindsay Mannix's posts in the "Master of Magnetics" thread,  perhaps even earlier.

In those early days,  many were trying variations on quadrature switching schemes , most of it presumed from the open TPU which appeared to have 4 distinct windings on a plastic frame.

I totally agree with Turbo, that quad switching and attempting to rotate a magnetic field is a dead end. The magnetic field of the coils does not rotate, the fields just build up and decay around each segment.

A ferrous device placed in a quad switching scheme will rotate, it is called a four pole induction motor as also will a compass needle. Inertia of the rotating device is at work in this regard.

IMHO, Turbo is pointing to a worthy path to explore (NMR).

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2017, 05:02:49 PM »

I have examined SM's TPU photos up close through the years, & I know how his TPUs work.
The principal is very SIMPLE.  The core in the center is a plain ole 2 coil TRANSFORMER.
There are 2 coils in the TPU Circumference that attach to the transformer with 1 cap in Series with each coil.
Think of it as the Coils electrically Bouncing Back & Forth (at high speed) on the Core Transformer as it's running.
That's why it produces a Rotating Magnetic Field!

There is a 3rd Coil wound around the TPU circumference he called a Collector Coil, which is the Output Power.

That's it.  BUT SM said "If even a tiny little thing is even a Tiny Bit Off, it WON'T work!

To make a working unit, will take a LOT of patience trying out different coil & cap combinations.
Just trying to figure out what kind of transformer core he used can take a LOT of time & effort!

The bottom photo is a close up Core photo from his 17 inch TPU.

I gave up trying years ago.  Maybe somebody else can make it work?

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Hi,
Toroid in the centre of TPU looks like High Voltage transformer, toroidal. Pay attention to heavy insulated cables coming out the epoxy filled space inside toroid HV transformer. I did found similiar picture of HV toroidal transformers on the gogle.
A very interesting concept of two LC circuits resonating, but out of the phase 90 deg- it will give rotating magnetic field but frequencies must be very exact ! Hard to obtain.
In the Times of Steven Mark frequency converters hasn't been very common, but now to get rotating magnetic field is much simpler with the help of frequency converter.


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2017, 05:06:55 PM »

Fatbird it is not simple.

And by a tiny bit off he means off frequency, which is critical.

I had written an extensive writing about the tpu i was writing for about 15 minutes when epn.ebay.com automatically refreshed and blanked the page, thank you Stefan i hope you will get your 2 cents for my 15 minutes of writing....

I will start over, i need to get this across.
It is sad to see that people still think that magnetic fields are the source of the energy, and that the point of catalyst can be reached by spinning magnetic fields in quadrature fashion i.e the Tesla patent.
This is all what people have been trying from the very beginning and this is not the way to go.
The process that makes the tpu tick is atomic/nuclear.
It involves nuclear magnetic resonance.
The electrons that circle around the nucleus react to externally applied magnetic fields.
By using the right combination of field strengths, frequencies, and pulse durations, a pattern can be created that firstly aligns, then disturbs (accelerates), and then releases.
The external field has a specific field strength, and can be static or have a specific frequency and pulse duration.
In the early experiments the external field consisted of the earth's magnetic field.
The second frequency is directly related to the field strength of the first, external field, as well as to the Larmor precession frequency of the material used for the collector.
When the earth's magnetic field is used the conversion frequency will be in the low Kilohertz range.
If a stronger external magnetic field is applied, the Larmor precession frequency will also go up.
The third frequency component is the (RF)pulse duration of the applied Larmor precession frequency.
Thus this is a so called 'gated' RF signal that is on for a specific period and then off for a specific frequency, and has a fixed frequency.
This gated signal is statically (HV), or magnetically applied or induced into the collector coil by means of a perpendicular (segment, control etc.) wire/coil wrapped around the main collector.
When the external field strength in combination with the correct RF pulse is applied (when you hit nmr/the right set combo etc.), an echo will be observed coming from the same RF (control) coil that fired the pulse, in the space, or silent duration of this critical pulsed pattern.
This is the tunning aspect of the device you have to tune your RF pulse train to the matching Larmor precession frequency / external field strength combination.
You are tunning your device to a frequency just like  a radio.
This can be done in several ways, either by using a fixed gated RF frequency and varying the external field strength, or by using a fixed external field strength whilst varying the RF frequency.
Once you have found the 'big kick' , (echo, catalyst, when all electrons slam back simultaneously upon release etc.) you will understand that you will have to repeat the process in triple fashion to set up one way rotation and to be able to establish feedback one kick feeds the next and so on.
Nobody said it would be easy but i am just getting tired of the rotating magnetic field Tesla transformer view, if it was that simple we would all have running tpu's by now.
This is why i asked this BRUCE_TPU (Troll,Attention Wh0re etc.) why the atomic energy commission was involved, and i got a vague answer that they didn't know what made the thing tick, but this is incorrect if you read the documentation that i have compiled you will find that they actually explained to Steven how it operated, they knew very well what made the thing tick and the potential of the process.
Bruce doesn't have any idea or clue he just wants attention/ego/feel good/subscribers.
Do some real research your self i have given you some good leads here.
The frequency and field strength components are well known and already have names, even tables exist with approximations of frequency for given nuclei/field strength/larmor combo's.
All the answers are there if you know where and what to look for, it has been literally staring us in the face for all these years...
I hope i have opened up the lid a bit further and i would also like to communicate to y'all that it is 3 horizontal coils wrapped over each other vertically, not interleaved.(see pic below)
The magnetic flux of the middle coil or main collector is nulled by the inner and outer coil, this is important to note because most of the images you find about tpu will show you a vertical stack of three coils in which the winding relationships are incorrect.
Im thinking about what more to say, good programming skills and knowledge of micro controller circuits can prove to be handy, a 555 isn't gonna do it folks.
Luckily we now have great tools like microchips arduino etc which you can program to put out a pwm train of x duration and have it listen for the echo make sure to drive your mosfet/igbt through the use of an optocoupler/driver so that your signal stays clean and does not get poisoned by noise.
That's all bit more promising then a diode and a battery, if you ask me.
Don't listen to the trolls, and especially don't send them any money.
Merry Christmas.

T.

If you have any questions let's hear them.


That's not true.
The only thing "atomic" in Steven Mark TPU is fact, that it relies on the patent from the 60's that belongs to US Atomic Energy Comission.
I found this patent.
That's why You will not find any TPU patent from Steven Mark.


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2017, 06:32:16 PM »
Ah look the debunkers by words only have arrived this was to be expected of course.

@ARMCORTEX

I am not expecting much from this.
I do not think that there are many up to the job.
In fact i think if there are people up to the job, you can count them on one hand.

Make of it what you want, i don't have the time to care.
I am just waving my hand in a certain direction in the hope that someone notices.
I will not go into discussion or waste my time fighting with words.
If you think you can make it work then go ahead and try, it's a personal journey.
If you need any more info just write me a PM, you know it's impossible to set up constructive communication between the noise in the open on this board.
I have been using Microchips 16Fxxx and MikroC PWM() / PlaySound() and ADC_Read() Delay_mS() functions.
These functions are readily available from their library's.
If you decide to use this compiler you can also use Microchip's IPE Integrated Programming Environment to program the chips directly.
It's fast and easy.
Im sure you can use many,many others too.
ARM processors would even be overkill unless you want to add a GLCD with GUI where you can select output voltage frequency etc.
Anyway good luck to all.

Quote from: Steven Mark

Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you
explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into
pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes
from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2017, 06:32:40 PM »

That's not true.
The only thing "atomic" in Steven Mark TPU is fact, that it relies on the patent from the 60's that belongs to US Atomic Energy Comission.
I found this patent.
That's why You will not find any TPU patent from Steven Mark.


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Pix

Hi Pix

If you would be so kind could you post the patent you referenced here.

Steve Mark was the engineer for a speaker manufacturing company. This company (Spheric Labs) made subwoofers with satellite speakers. Sometimes it is necessary to block the high frequencies from the subwoofer. Back in the day it was done passively using LC's or common mode chokes. (see attached).

When Spheric Labs folded we know that Steve M grabbed a lot of components that were tossed in the dumpster e.g. the plastic frame from the open TPU was part of a grill assembly for pipe transmission line speakers they had developed. No doubt he grabbed a few of these audio chokes.  Steve has the design patent on these speakers. I have lots of info on this and have conversed with Jack Durban about it.

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Thanks for your help in all this. Like you I'm a seasoned inventor with patents and a long work history (now retired) or rather out of the corporate scene.

Go on line and google spheric speakers, you will find these for sale on ebay auctions.

I have more pics of the 25K and a smaller unidentified model all rolled into a pdf if you like just send me an email address.

Thanks again....V
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Great to hear from you. I had no idea that we sold enough speakers to have some wind up on eBay after all these years. To be honest they were just run the mill speakers and those rings in the shot you put up...well they are trimmed in cheap plastic and they begin to spring open over time. I had nothing to do with designing them just the audio processing stuff.

When you get a moment someday please share some of your inventing experiences. My email is jdurban@xxxxx.com
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Thanks and all the best,

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2017, 07:19:33 PM »

Hi Pix


Steve Mark was the engineer for a speaker manufacturing company. This company (Spheric Labs) made subwoofers with satellite speakers. Sometimes it is necessary to block the high frequencies from the subwoofer. Back in the day it was done passively using LC's or common mode chokes. (see attached).

When Spheric Labs folded we know that Steve M grabbed a lot of components that were tossed in the dumpster e.g. the plastic frame from the open TPU was part of a grill assembly for pipe transmission line speakers they had developed. No doubt he grabbed a few of these audio chokes.  Steve has the design patent on these speakers. I have lots of info on this and have conversed with Jack Durban about it.

Regards
Vortex1




Those common mode chokes are misleading. In TPU inside of that "choke" is filled with epoxy-look resin and heavy insulated and spaced apart cables emerges from that resin.
I have found on the google pictures search similiar looking toroidal HV impulse transformers. What is common: square core, primary outside the core, secondary inside the core, HV output cables coming from the toroid centre which is filled by resin.
Regarding patent- I will give You a direction:
1.Loaded transmission line
2.Current drive in Tokamaks.


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2017, 10:13:55 PM »
A hint??

That sounds familiar...

Let me give you a hint:
 
PIX = BRUCE_TPU

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2017, 10:38:19 PM »
A hint??

That sounds familiar...

Let me give you a hint:
 
PIX = BRUCE_TPU

 :D  I do not think so :D

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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2017, 11:09:08 PM »
Well the debunkers are still widely represented  :D

For those that still want to explore the route proposed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg&list=PLD14D78BC61685BD7&index=1

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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2017, 12:05:03 AM »
Awesome thanks.

I am an embedded enthusiast as I like the flexibility and freedom, for low cost you have infinite abilty to unleash your creativity
that such technology provides.

I use the ARM cortex series exclusively as they have cheap price, best architecture, scalable power from M0 to M7 and now even H7. and if you are good with this there is not much product you cannot make. You cant make everything obviously like a VR headset or an Iphone. Learning embedded systems requires you to learn C or C++, so it is a time investment, so if  you are good and lucky you might be prepared for possible job opportunities as you research OU, it is however an competitive field and jobs are not easy to get, but the field is open to your creativity and everybody has a fighting chance or just do your own stuff.

Either it be industrial controllers, PID controllers, motor drives, consumer products, networking equipment, drones, robots, etc...

If you are software/electronics type this project is open to all and will be alot of fun, and a good learning experience.





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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2017, 02:40:10 PM »

A hint??

That sounds familiar...

Let me give you a hint:
 
PIX = BRUCE_TPU
Hi Turbo,


PIX =/= BRUCE TPU


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Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2017, 03:24:48 PM »
OK enough infighting.

After much reflexion, I apologize for what I said to Bruce.

The man embarked on a task that is very difficult.

At least he got his hands busy, we all have our moments of confusion and near insanity

Nevertheless, his views are still of value, we cannot deny that he did spend 10 years reading about this subject, and hopefully he could discern a logical path to how to attack the problem, in that regards he has experience.
 
My apologies Bruce.

Now, since I am not entirely focused on this, I was just throwing the idea out there about an algorithm. This is not my main priority,  and it's still unclear how to attack this problem. I will let the discussion evolve and see if I can implement.

Since this would work like a crack, my circuit would be open source this time if I were to make it, one thing I learned is that there no market for this and the more people try, the higher the chances are that some meaningful effect is discovered.

Not only that, but it would finally be a good excuse to put something on github.

Now I really dont care or have a preference for any of your theories, its one OR the other and as far as I know none of you have the definite and true answer yet. Besides, a good circuit is a flexible circuit, we are not aiming for mass market here, a few 30$ never hurt no one.

I dont care about who's sweeping flowcharts, who's coil assembly, who's circuit topology, who's voltage consideration is superior than the other's. All I read is fights when I search TPU, I dont even know whos ego is boasting and bullshitting and whos dead serious about intuition.

The goal is simply to add automation to the recipe, I ask the reader to lay out their cards, their findings, whatever useful input they can provide to make job easier to design this circuit. I am not an expert in TPU and dont have the time to become one and search all this information.


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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2017, 04:24:56 PM »

Ladies and Gentelmans,
Here it is.
US3085189


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