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Offline h20power

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Fakes love them or hate them?
« on: March 06, 2017, 04:27:48 AM »
If you are like me you might from time to time run searches to see just what people out there are posting about their personal work on Stanley A. Meyer's technology and find it totally fusterating to have someone like, Daniel (HHO Hydrogen) Donatelli[/color][/font], constantly stealing from others, whom are actually doing the work, posting them as his own just to try and sell his companies products which for the most part haven't anything to do with the work of Stanley A. Meyer and/or have it all wrong.
Personally I feel this type of behavior really hurts the movement as now when any one that hasn't ever asked any questions about Meyer's technology that goes to ask their first question will pull up all of his stolen work and never be able to talk to those of us that are actually doing the work. It also makes me wonder if his actions are part of some larger plot to discredit Meyer's technology by showing that someone interested in posting all of these stolen videos has no moral values and will seemingly sell his own mother if it meant he could make a profit from doing so.


This guy even has some of my work stolen word for word on his website "Secure Supplies" not understanding a thing about what I am talking about but more importantly not caring for his aim is only to sound credible enough to get you to buy something from his website.


Here is a clear example of just what I am talking about.
Say you are running a search on YouTube for Stanley A. Meyer and you then click upload date to get the latest someone has posted on YouTube on the topic. Now you ran this search on a Wednesday but unknown to you Tim Man posted a video on Monday of that same week. Because of Daniel's constant post theft you wouldn't see Tin Mans video in your search of you only stayed on the first page and sometimes even on the second page of your search results. So, in essence this guy would have effectively prevented you from ever seeing that video Tin Man had posted.
This is a real problem for this technology as not only will he have prevented someone from seeing this technology but more than likely if someone actually starts to sell working units for this technology he will pretend to be that person and steal your money. Trust me he has done this to me when I first put up a exciter array for sell. He had a picture and everything for someone to buy my cell and I wonder just what would have been the result if someone had purchased it from him as our two companies do not do business together and as far as I am concerned never will be doing business together in the future. I wonder just what would have been the result of someone buying my cell through him would have been?


So, just so everyone reading this knows if at some point in time True Green Solutions starts selling working units know that no matter what my company will not be doing business with Secure Supplies.

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Fakes love them or hate them?
« on: March 06, 2017, 04:27:48 AM »

Offline Dog-One

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Re: Fakes love them or hate them?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 08:43:03 AM »
You're dead on with your post Ed.

I've butted heads with Danny boy several times in the past.  He is mostly clueless about any of the technology he presents, none of which is actually his.  He wants so bad to be in the mix, part of the solution, but has nothing to offer and actually gets in the way every time he touches the keyboard.  He's not even a salesmen.  I asked him one time about sourcing some powered ferrite core material for making a custom core.  He knew zero about the material specifications, how long it would take to get it, transport costs, how many pounds per batch, etc, etc.  But he had a price tag all right.  It was a joke.  Secure supplies my ass.  I've been told by a couple of guys Danny means well; I'm not convinced.  This is a perfect example of "avoid the middleman and go straight to the source".  Danny is not a value add distributor, though he considers himself an Alibaba.com.  He's not.


Not to worry though Ed.  When you get your systems put together and make them available, I'll be sending people your way.  Just stay in touch and let me know when you're ready.  I'll be happy to do a review of your first systems hot off the assembly line, free of charge BTW, plus I'll pay you for the system in advance.  You'll get full credit for the work you have done and will do.  People will be able to see the real thing, what it does; how well it does it.  If it's the quality I've seen in your previous work, these things will sell themselves.  You won't be able to produce them fast enough.


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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2017, 06:45:42 PM »
You're dead on with your post Ed.

I've butted heads with Danny boy several times in the past.  He is mostly clueless about any of the technology he presents, none of which is actually his.  He wants so bad to be in the mix, part of the solution, but has nothing to offer and actually gets in the way every time he touches the keyboard.  He's not even a salesmen.  I asked him one time about sourcing some powered ferrite core material for making a custom core.  He knew zero about the material specifications, how long it would take to get it, transport costs, how many pounds per batch, etc, etc.  But he had a price tag all right.  It was a joke.  Secure supplies my ass.  I've been told by a couple of guys Danny means well; I'm not convinced.  This is a perfect example of "avoid the middleman and go straight to the source".  Danny is not a value add distributor, though he considers himself an Alibaba.com.  He's not.


Not to worry though Ed.  When you get your systems put together and make them available, I'll be sending people your way.  Just stay in touch and let me know when you're ready.  I'll be happy to do a review of your first systems hot off the assembly line, free of charge BTW, plus I'll pay you for the system in advance.  You'll get full credit for the work you have done and will do.  People will be able to see the real thing, what it does; how well it does it.  If it's the quality I've seen in your previous work, these things will sell themselves.  You won't be able to produce them fast enough.


The primary problem with people like this is they do far more harm than good. From my point of view they just want to tap into the money that can be made with this technology by any means they can think of. I have even found another person that was running around creating names that he thought people would use and become successful with these technologies so that he could wait until they got big and sue them for using his name. He was a bit upset at the name of my company as he didn't think of the green revolution and thus could not sue my company for it's name is an original name that he had no ownership of. These people are what make successes hard fought when trying to start up and company as they act in a way to destroy someone before they can truly get started and it's all being done out of pure greed. All people like this only have short term goals in their heads and seem to have no care for anyone else but themselves.


I too had some interesting talks with Danny when I finally caught up with him about having my products on his website for sale but we had made no contracts with one another. He tried to make a new deal with me asking what was the minimum buy and how much would I save him for being a whole seller. I told him the minimum buy price and would give the standard 25% off and I then went on to tell him if I could I'd sue him for having my products for sale on his site without written permission from me to be doing so. As you know he is in Thailand and their system of government is basically pure corruption which makes it almost impossible for any one to sue them. This is the primary reason why he is doing what he is doing as there is nothing anyone can do to him about it legally.


The sad part is there are a lot of these people stealing information from others trying to make an easy buck. I just so happened to be the target of a lot of these people for at first I believed in Open Source and was actively sharing things as I learned them. Now I know better as I have went through Meyer's school of hard knocks. People would constantly steal my designs, art work, research, and anything I would choose to share in an open forum and pawn it off as their work and ideas. To this date most people have no idea that I steered the research on Meyer's technology away from the bandwagon circle it was in when I got into this technology back in March of 2006. Back then people were literally practicing insanity as there where doing the same things over and over again expecting different results every time they did so. They would build one water fuel capacitor and then turn around and build another one exactly like it and then expect different results. This should have been a sign to me to just go it alone but like I said at the time I believed in Open Source so I looked over these glaring flaws I saw people doing. Even when people rose up in mass against me for trying to get them to make use of the scientific method I still looked on the bright side of things. It wasn't until the 2013 global breakthrough energy movement did I start to wake up to just what Open Source truly was for I was supposed to have a 30 minute speaking part at the event but it got taken away from me and given to someone else to just get up there and tell jokes. While I can be sure of their reasons for treating me that way I do know that Sterling Allen stood me up for an interview and if it wasn't for John Fraser no one would have even known I was at the event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac&t=16s


This video will be the last time I ever try and teach this technology to others as the school of hard knocks has left me with a bad tasted in my mouth concerning Open Source. People came out of the woodwork to shut me down but I was determined to succeed and I simply out lasted them over time.

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Re: Fakes love them or hate them?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2017, 08:05:30 PM »
He was kind enough to even pay attention to your useless work.

There is nothing to scam you have nothing that is really past a hobby for people who believe in such stories.

From what I remember there was never any signs of success with Stanley Meyers, if he was a fraud then can we believe the brother of a fraud. He was either a fraud or an honest/paranoid scientist that fooled himself.

If we believe the second scenario then its is a MUST, that you listen to Stephen's interview, and understand that when he said something in the lines of, "we didnt know what happened really with what Stan was doing, my system is much better."

There was alot of scientific continuation to be made and that is what Stephen did.

Now I really believe you DONT have the electrical skills to decipher this patent, I dont see much skill in your work and deeper understanding that Stephen has, the perfect candidate for such tasks. Anything he could have said is worth much more than what you say, this is why I am tired of argumenting with unsupportive people like you from such forums idiot 100% cannot communicate woth bozos anymore.

If you believe he is being honest you go and see Stephen as your god, if not, you were gonna get screwed from the day you started with hydrogen business, bad science defraud operation.

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 09:00:29 PM »
He was kind enough to even pay attention to your useless work.

There is nothing to scam you have nothing that is really past a hobby for people who believe in such stories.

From what I remember there was never any signs of success with Stanley Meyers, if he was a fraud then can we believe the brother of a fraud. He was either a fraud or an honest/paranoid scientist that fooled himself.

If we believe the second scenario then its is a MUST, that you listen to Stephen's interview, and understand that when he said something in the lines of, "we didnt know what happened really with what Stan was doing, my system is much better."

There was alot of scientific continuation to be made and that is what Stephen did.

Now I really believe you DONT have the electrical skills to decipher this patent, I dont see much skill in your work and deeper understanding that Stephen has, the perfect candidate for such tasks. Anything he could have said is worth much more than what you say, this is why I am tired of argumenting with unsupportive people like you from such forums idiot 100% cannot communicate woth bozos anymore.

If you believe he is being honest you go and see Stephen as your god, if not, you were gonna get screwed from the day you started with hydrogen business, bad science defraud operation.


Like I attempted to tell you before, "You simply don't understand the underlining science behind this technology." Through much hard work I was able to get at the real science behind this water for fuel technology and I have shared just the science only. Stanley Meyer's brother more than likely doesn't understand the science behind this technology as it isn't intuitive at all, but more importantly he lost his brother due to this technology and that has got to have left a mark on him. But for starters it really is Dr. Dingles technology as he was running his car down the road on water back in 1968 and I was able to talk to him before he passed away. Since the science behind this technology was never put out by either of these men yours truly was the first to actually do so.


You seem to be a fraud to me so I guess your coming to vote in this thread is fitting but just know it is actually talking about people like you in my opinion. People that have an idea that they are totally unwilling to work for the hard way but only seek the easy way out with other peoples money. Unproven ideas are not worth much as you have to be able to take something from a dream to reality and that road will be a bit rocky. Things that use to be a dream for me have now been made into a reality. I can hold them in my hands, run all sorts of test on them, and improve upon my results over time. I have moved from the dream word into reality and suggest you learn to do the same by pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps as I have done. Be a self made man and work hard to make your dreams come true on your own dime as if you do some people just might rally behind you and start showing you some support, but you have to give them something to rally behind. People can rally behind my work as they can see it, touch it, watch it work (for those I choose to show), and know that I have put something that use to only be a dream into the real world.


You see there is something else I have shown everyone and that is me actually applying a high voltage potential difference to an exciter array and as of right know I am the only one that I know of that has done so. The last voltages I showed to everyone was me putting 8.8kv to the exciter array but I noticed that people were not happy with my results and just showed strong signs of envy towards my work much like you are showing me right now. So, I stopped showing my work to everyone as a result. But you don't have take my word for it, run a search and see just who else is placing voltages this high directly to a water bath and see who's name comes up over and over again. In the video interview I place only 4.2kv to the cell and to this date not a soul reached those results let alone pass them. Trust me when I tell you it is not all that easy to place a high voltage potential difference on plates in direct contact with water for if it was everyone would be doing so.


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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: Fakes love them or hate them?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2017, 09:20:37 PM »
http://overunity.com/6370/dingel-is-a-fraud-will-he-be-thrown-into-prison-soon/#.WL8VVVUrJpg

No its you who is the fraud... My oscillator >> all your research, I stepped foort in right direction you were always "the misled".

The man in this thread make a good point, Daniel said he had the tech in 1980's and admitted ti having received 400,000$ and delivered nothing.

Its always you people that argue with me over obvious science wich are the frauds I will not argument with such bozo as you..

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2017, 10:09:54 PM »
http://overunity.com/6370/dingel-is-a-fraud-will-he-be-thrown-into-prison-soon/#.WL8VVVUrJpg

No its you who is the fraud... My oscillator >> all your research, I stepped foort in right direction you were always "the misled".

The man in this thread make a good point, Daniel said he had the tech in 1980's and admitted ti having received 400,000$ and delivered nothing.

Its always you people that argue with me over obvious science wich are the frauds I will not argument with such bozo as you..


Haven't you anything better to do with your life than to try and talk me to death with some very bad english? As I told you I don't need any help with the understanding of the water for fuel technology as I made use of the scientific method and learned the science all on my own from the ground up the hard way. I didn't take any short cuts, follow anyone else's lead, nor even listen much to anyone outside of what my own experiments had to teach me. Through the process of trial and error I figured it all out asking, and then answering, the right questions.


If you have a dream then pursue it as don't let me stand in your way. If what you say you have works then we will meet again on the open market place and then let the best company win. Since I am talking about a new way to generate energy that has no moving parts good luck in trying to figure out a way to defeat me on the open market with your spinning gizmo.


Note to everyone else, This is what I am talking about. People that seem hell bent on stopping these types of technologies from coming out. They say they mean well but their actions speak differently for their actions move to prevent all of you from gaining control of your own energy needs. These fakes are just popping up out of the woodwork and their combined efforts seem to be one of preventing these technologies from making it to the market place.

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Re: Fakes love them or hate them?
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2017, 12:57:49 AM »
Meyer was no idiot, the videos describing the water splitting tech were good, and are quite convincing, but he conveniently left out all of the thermodynamics. His system breaks Hess's law, a law that has never failed in the history of thermodynamics.  That's why mainstream science ignores guys like these , massive claims with no tangible proof. In reality solar cells are the greatest almost OU invention yet that uses a modern discovery to create good power from a source that's millions of miles away.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2017, 01:29:26 AM »
Meyer was no idiot, the videos describing the water splitting tech were good, and are quite convincing, but he conveniently left out all of the thermodynamics. His system breaks Hess's law, a law that has never failed in the history of thermodynamics.  That's why mainstream science ignores guys like these , massive claims with no tangible proof. In reality solar cells are the greatest almost OU invention yet that uses a modern discovery to create good power from a source that's millions of miles away.


You don't have to believe me when I tell you that I got at the true science behind the technology and why you will not be finding this science in any of your text books as simply put is it something new to science. But this is not the what this pole topic is all about it is about people like this "Daniel (hho hydrogen) Donatelli" posting stolen goods in an attempt to steal money from people as all of the videos he post are of someone else's work. He has even copied and pasted my work on his website in order to sound more credible along with the work of many others that have been hard at trying to figure this new way of splitting the water molecules out that is totally outside of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. This thread is about the fakes running around trying to take advantage of people and seemingly working for the fossil fuel industry in that they post so much stolen goods that anyone that post anything real will be smothered out by their sea of theft. Have you anything to say that is on topic?

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2017, 11:38:50 AM »
This folks is exactly what I am talking about as here is a video from which I have never seen before and hho Dan is doing his best to block everyone from being able to see it with his constant posting of stolen videos which is flooding anything new that comes out that actually matters from being seen. So, best watch it while you can as when I ran a search it is being actively blocked from the US on some sites. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20eVPinIjqQ&t=1151s

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 12:17:12 AM »
Well, I guess Secure supplies changed his YouTube name as it now reads, "Hydrogen Gas H2 O2 HHO Electricity Power[/color][/font]" but the theft of peoples videos continues and he also post so much theft that it practically blocks any legitimate work from being seen by the world. From my count there are 21 stolen videos posted by him before you can see another users post. It's sad as these are the people that are actually blocking this technology from coming out, being well known, and work to prevent actually research from being seen by the masses.


I wonder... if they are getting paid to sell out the entire planet what dollar amount are they getting?

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2017, 03:26:05 AM »
Hey Everyone,


Check out this collection of stolen photos by Secure Supplies: https://danieldonatelli.wixsite.com/hho-pocket-guide/electrolyzer-11-cell
The has practically everyone that has ever posted a Meyer type cell trying to sell his version that has no photos shown. It's guys like these that give this technology a bad name. Little man Daniel Donatelli seems to be now known for his theft of others people's work pawning it off as his own.

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2017, 10:13:26 PM »
Well, the thief is at it again stealing everyone's videos to try and sell his products: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCweDHLTs7ZvrLYli7I_sfvQ
Here is what you get when you pull up a search on YouTube for Stanley Meyer/upload date: https://www.youtube.com/results?q=stanley+meyer&sp=CAI%253D See if any of your videos have been stolen and re purposed to try and sell people his companies wares.


I wish there was something more we could do to shut the likes of this guy down for good.

 

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