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Title: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on February 09, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
This is too long for a post so I made a PDF, attached. Abstract of the PDF is copied below:
 
Abstract
Today it is well known what electricity does. We can create, control and measure it as we please but we still don’t seem to know what this energy is. What physical phenomena occurring in the movement of charge is giving power to our electrical systems. This paper presents a theory about electricity which explains what electrical energy is, where it comes from and how to access it efficiently at low cost using coils as capacitors. This theory is derived from Coulomb’s law and from some well known laws of electricity. Schematics and some preliminary test results of a prototype device are shown that operates using the presented theory. The device could in theory produce over 150 watts using less than 20 watts.
 
snippet from the PDF:
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Shortly I will describe a simple system that will prove the following items to be true:
1. Ambient energy field exists and it is everywhere.
2. Electrical systems use energy from this field. Unfortunately all access methods to ambient energy field are under unity.
3. Current flow and energy flow are two different things and it is possible to separate them.
4. Current flow through load is not necessary to power it.
5. It is possible to access the ambient energy field using a device that outputs more energy than what is required to operate it.
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There should be enough information in the PDF for replication. My internet connection is slow so I won’t be commenting or even following this thread. I will read PM’s but rarely.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on February 09, 2017, 02:02:39 PM
Downloaded, will read it later, thanks.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Magnethos on February 09, 2017, 06:43:05 PM
Hello Jack, thank you for the pdf file.
At the moment I have little time to read, but I will reply to this post.


The capcoil technique seems to be very interesting. I am just printing the pdf to read it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Magnethos on February 09, 2017, 07:16:18 PM
I have read a little of the document fast and it looks very good.
I would suggest to read also another document that can be complementary of Jacknoskills' one. If someone is interested in the second document, let me know it here and I will search and publish here the name of the document.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: penno64 on February 09, 2017, 08:41:04 PM
Welcome back Jack

Regards
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: partzman on February 09, 2017, 09:47:05 PM
I have read a little of the document fast and it looks very good.
I would suggest to read also another document that can be complementary of Jacknoskills' one. If someone is interested in the second document, let me know it here and I will search and publish here the name of the document.

Magnethos,

I would appreciate it if you would post the pdf document you mentioned.

pm
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Magnethos on February 09, 2017, 10:54:31 PM
Magnethos,

I would appreciate it if you would post the pdf document you mentioned.

pm
I have the book in paper, so I don't have a link.
They are two books, called "Energy conserver theory" George Wiseman.


The book explains:
"Heat, light and magnetism are side affects of electron flow and do not 'consume' electricity." 'Electricity' is lost in conventional circuits when the source neutralizes itself (electron density equalizes)"[/size]

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It explains more detailed than JackNoSkills pdf document and it explains very similar theories. Wiseman also explains about "electron density equalization".[/size]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: aether22 on February 10, 2017, 03:53:19 AM
For anyone confused about electricity, Aetheric induced anomolies aside, for the most part, an analogy of water pipes does nicely...


A capacitor becomes a flexible springy membrane in the middle of a tank with water evacuating one side and more going in the other (this also has the effect of electrostatic induction where something happening on one side effects the other, just like a real capacitor, the 2 sides effect each other)


A load is something like a turbine/propeller that is turned by the water, it resists the flow of water and does not use water up, but it does use up energy.


A battery is a pump.


Pressure waves move faster through the water than the water itself moves.


The first place where the analogy fails is that while you can simulate self inductance/impedance with just a bunch of coiled pipe, a transformer analogy is not straight forward.


The point though is that the same things apply, only one thing moves.
You don't need more water in the same way electrical circuits don't run out of electrons.


What is used up is the energy which can exist as either a pressure in the capacitor (pressure and vacuum) or as that is converted into momentum, anything that resists the flow is using up the energy.


How do you get Free Energy?  You don't do this by working within this system or within these rules.  There is no Free Energy to be found in closed systems at this level.  You need to involve the aether which is real and encountered by the demonstration of various anomalies in every real Free Energy technology.


It just so happens that a coil with a capacitor as one unit is perfect foe inducing a powerful vortex in the aether is done right!


The reason is that there are 2 main types of aetheric energy, positive and negative, and they tend to move in opposite directions, and in doing so they create a lot of friction and this slows it down, but you can polarize the aether with a capacitor, this helps move the 2 types enough apart that this friction does not occur, these aetheric energies are also subjected to centrifugal forces and the the centripetal  force a radial electric field has on what-ever aetheric charge is pulled in (depending on the way you change the cap of course) means that this change can move very very fast before flying out of this gap!


So I suspect this is going on in the original Poster's device.



Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on March 05, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I finally read your pdf, Jack, several times. Great work! And very generous to open source it. It is fascinating that you basicly power a lightbulb without a cirquit of current flow! And the diode tunneling is just awesome. It may be caused by the tiny buildup time (nanoseconds) during which a diode does not block, but even if so, there are still the other tremendously weird things, like bypassing high resistors, indicating dynamic voltage between a fixed potential, probably driven by the earths' electric negativity?


Great stuff, I hope I'll experiment with this asap.


I have several ideas, one is a 555, running at full speed at maybe 500kHz, the signal has just a very short space time, most is Mark / high. So I run this trough a NAND gate to invert it, now the 555 gives me a very short pulse at 500kHz, maybe a 5% duty. That I feed into a high/radio frequency transistor, giving me maybe the right pulse for your coils.


Then I got a 6kV dc stepup device that runs on 2x AA cells, capable of kicking butts literarly with horsepowers (oh man that hurt, just regained some respect...), which I could pulse with a spark gap, the back EMF would surely reach 60kV... probably need some robust coil design here ^^


Thanks for sharing.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: tsl on March 07, 2017, 12:08:39 AM
Why do i have to think about Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger after reading your idea?  ;D
Nice work  ;)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Kator01 on March 27, 2017, 02:11:27 AM
Hello Jack,

you might like this guy. He is a scientist. His name is Eugene Jeong

His website

http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.de/ (http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.de/)

move down to the embedded vid which is of importance: "physiscs of free energy device" and on to "Tachyonic Universe"

The vid in youtube is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E)

Definition of self-energy: second sentence of first paragraph


best regards

Mike
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Zephir on March 27, 2017, 02:23:17 AM
Shortly I will describe a simple system that will prove the following items to be true:
1. Ambient energy field exists and it is everywhere.
2. Electrical systems use energy from this field. Unfortunately all access methods to ambient energy field are under unity.
3. Current flow and energy flow are two different things and it is possible to separate them.
4. Current flow through load is not necessary to power it.
5. It is possible to access the ambient energy field using a device that outputs more energy than what is required to operate it.
IMO you're describing Captret device (http://www.overunity.com/13320/increase-ou-of-captret). It probably works rather like the battery (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6732-captret-destroys-capacitors.html)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on March 27, 2017, 02:43:40 AM
As far as I see Jacks Capcoils have nothing to do with Captret. Captret turned out to be a voltaic pile battery, as per John Hutchisons analysis.


Jacks Coils are the magnetic twin of the abravmenko plug (or what was his name?). Two secondaries with high capacitance to eachother. One end of each is unconnected. The other two ends are the output (!).
The primary induces a field in the secondaries, despite the fact, that they are connected to something only at one end of each coil. Instead of current flow you get a potential diffrence only. Like in a cap. Then the field collapses, causing a current flow between ground and these open coils. It is at least a 100% reactive.


It's a great pdf, must read.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Zephir on March 27, 2017, 02:56:05 AM
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Captret turned out to be a voltaic pile battery, as per John Hutchisons analysis
Hutchinson is crazy freak with blurry shaky videos of hanging things lifted by threads. Anyone who is believing, he does "analysis" is even more desperate case than just him. The Captret can really work like the battery, but unfortunately the cheap aluminium oxide capacitors aren't the best way how to demonstrate it. They have large leaking current and of course electrolyte, which corrodes the electrodes. But no battery can charge capacitor to a voltage higher than 3.6 V. Once the voltage increases even more - then you have an effect, which is impossible to explain electrochemically.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on March 27, 2017, 03:32:07 AM
You speak in riddles my friend: I just charged a cap to 7vdc, using a 9v block battery - why shouldn't that work?


Don't wanna go too muchoff topuc, but... anyone who's not a crazy freak is suspicous to me, in a world in which normality is delusive and antisocial.


I doubt he uses threads, but agreed, he szresses the term "zero point energy" a lot in his concrete-fluor (I guess) batteries.


Interesting parallels between his metal desintegration, the real philadelphia project (by navy, shortly after navy plundered teslas vault in 1943) and the "toasted cars" anomaly close to the twins in the 911 incident.


But like I said, lets stay on topic. Maybe you've got a link to the "real" captret effect explained?
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 07, 2017, 12:27:54 PM
Shortened the future development list and added them in the behavior section. I was able to solve some issues:
‘Using both outputs of the coil pair simultaneously’, look at figures 6 and 7.This also seemed to solve the coil insulation problem.
Most likely found a solution to convert the ambient energy flow into hot electricity using a capacitor.
Otherwise some minor corrections through the whole document.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 07, 2017, 03:21:14 PM
Thank you Jack for freelly sharing your work.
It is appreciate!!! :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: ramset on April 07, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
Truly grateful

did start a topic here also

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

the more eyes the better

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: nelsonrochaa on April 07, 2017, 05:07:31 PM
Shortened the future development list and added them in the behavior section. I was able to solve some issues:
‘Using both outputs of the coil pair simultaneously’, look at figures 6 and 7.This also seemed to solve the coil insulation problem.
Most likely found a solution to convert the ambient energy flow into hot electricity using a capacitor.
Otherwise some minor corrections through the whole document.

Thanks ,
i already read first copy that you share some weeks ago , but i will read again , because have very valid points and need to be read more than one time  .
could you describe the ref of your GDT ? Myself made some tests years ago but my GDT are of lower voltage (Max 200V ) and i could see that goes to very high temperature , and i read in your paper that you observe the same behavior . Did it change when you put them in series ?

Thank by your contribution

Cheers

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on April 07, 2017, 09:02:32 PM
Truly grateful

did start a topic here also

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

the more eyes the better

respectfully
Chet K
Hi I don't suppose yo can repost Energetic Forum post your referring to here I just keep going round in circles on there !

That forum reminds me of that roadside drive through where you pay to get in but once you pays your money the gates open and you drive through, your back outside ;)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: shylo on April 07, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Jack have you tried adding diodes of the opposite polarity to the beginnings and ends ,of your figures 6&7.
Perhaps the new path gives what you call ambient to flow.
I think what people perceive as ambient is just really part of the function of creating flow to begin with.
I don't understand spark gaps, seems like alot of waste to me.
artv
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: iflewmyown on April 08, 2017, 01:54:09 AM
I'll say one thing, that is the first time I have ever seen an electromagnet coil glowing blue. The next ones will be vacuumed packed in oil.
Garry
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: ramset on April 08, 2017, 02:46:51 AM
Aliengrey
the thread there is just a mirror to this one,

there are many good fellows there [who read ] and that forum makes a big effort to get new readers.

here is your request again.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

it should take you there ,but not much going on yet

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 08, 2017, 09:50:15 PM
@Jack, thanks for the update.


@Shylo, spargaps are said to be lossy due to heat etc. But that does ignore some phenomena, such as the Thownsend electron avalange. Teslas abrubtly interrupted arcs are an other example. Current, trying to maintain it's flow. If it can pull in ambient energy to do so, then it will do so.


Also it is a simple square wave oscillator for high voltage. I had a 3kV module running from 2*1.5V batteries (at 2.6V) running the whole night, practicly shortened with the sparkgap.


@all, just a qustion, why are there only 12 threads listed on the home page anymore? it sucks.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: NRamaswami on April 09, 2017, 06:18:09 AM
@Jack Thanks for the pdf. I have already tested using much higher power levels and much bigger wires these concepts and a lot of what you have written is true. I have not experimented with the second type of coil that you indicated and so would need to test it. I have pulled in energy from the Ambient field using a different method and it is real.

Spark Gaps disturb the surrounding medium that contains what is called Universal Life Force or Prana. Very high and very powerful output can be extracted when this force is activated. We can get very high Voltage and Very High Amperage both together and a small input alone is needed to achieve it. I have tested them all already. But I had also been told that such frequencies are banned from commercial useage. So has not written about it.

This is one of the rarest times that instead of abusing others a pdf that actually provides open source information of high quality is posted here and the information is genuine. The author who deserves our respect and gratitude apprantly does not have the means to test at high power input levels and that would require multifilar coils of many layers to restrict the input if it is AC due to inductive impedance and high resistance coils if the input is DC.

@Dieter..Can you please send me your circuit. I can have it replicated in future and share what we observe.

Regards,

Ramaswami

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 10, 2017, 02:19:27 PM
Trying to answer all raised questions,
Cannot take pictures because my camera was smashed to pieces. Don't ask why.
I use GDTs simply because they are the only suitable option for me, I cannot do IGBT magic. GDTs are are good for prototyping but they should be changed to solid state. People build solid state Tesla coils so solid state should work also with this system.
I am not planning to do anymore tests. There are already plenty of interesting things going on that deserve another look. The next step is to study for resonance effects. This is beyond my level at the moment though. It took considerable effort from the WTF moment I had one year ago to get to this point. So it would be great to get help from other experimenters to reach the next level which is resonance study.
I stress again the importance of using low input power when playing with resonance. Do take safety measures written in the pdf seriously and follow them. This is to protect your coils, your equipment and even yourself. But as an experienced developer you already know this.
My net is still slow so I cannot follow what is going here. All the info that is needed for replication is in the pdf.
When you see and hear the white spark for the first time and you realize that it is energy without electrical current you have taken the first step. To achieve this is a very simple task to do and it will bring you to the same level with me. Then the road ahead is now open for you to explore.
 Thx for paying attention, bye for now.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 11, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
What would you say is the minimum in volts and amps that is required for the pulses fed into the final primary? What the min and max frequency? Is the duty ratio low/high in any way critical?


Should this effect be observable (even tho limited) when a trifilar coil is used, one winding as the primary and the other two as the open coil according to your design?


Would it make sense to try this with a 3vK HV module, directly over a sparkgap, with some heavily insulated wire?


Does it have to be a torroid core? Would a ferrite bar 12cm x 1cm work too?


thanks.

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 13, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
I cannot comment on the frequency as I have no meters of any kind. My guess is that pulse rate does not exceed 1 kHz when using 100nf capacitor and 220V 50 Hz AC drive.[/font]
It takes longer to charge the capacitor of the driver circuit than to discharge it, hence mark/space ratio is small. According to Maxwell induction effect depends on the rate of change of the current through the inductor. So, when the current in the capacitor discharge has reached maximum value it can be turned off. There is no need to drain the capacitor. Tesla used magnetically quenched spark gaps for this purpose but we can use solid state. If we could have a solid state circuit that can control the capacitor discharge time and the rate of these discharges then it would be perfect for resonance testing.[/font]


When you build your first test system I think it is better to make as close to original as possible. So use a closed loop ferrite core and enameled wire. When you got the basic effect you can then change the setup one part at a time and observe what is good and what is not. If this is not possible then you need to experiment with the parameters. I think this system will work with any kind of core and that the simplest coiling solution is the best. It is better to keep the primary and output coils separated. My opinion, not tested.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on April 15, 2017, 05:53:29 PM

Hi Jack and all

Thank you very much for sharing your work and for your very interesting PDF.

As i have a very large air coil used for other experiment on the flyback spike, i dared to use it for attempting a réplication of your system.
As i use an air coil and not a cored coil, and some lower voltage and a mosfet switch. i hope i am not completely out of topic with this test.
But anyway i am very impressed to be able to light the bulb with an open circuit as secondary.

Here a video of the test

https://youtu.be/OEaDoVnibj8

Will reread the PDF to better grasp your idea.

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 16, 2017, 05:36:05 AM
@Woopy, great video, thanks a lot! Very encouraging to see you actually confirmed the claim, despite the fact that your setup is rather diffrent from the original. From my point of view, the output is 100% reactive.


@Jack I wish I could stay close to the original, but I have to work with what is at hand.
I am replacing your entire pulse section by the 3kV module with a simple sparkgap. As I know that the module has a dangerous amount of power, I am pretty optimistic.


As the sparkgap may reach not more than maybe 50hz, I will use a steel core. They are ok up to 1kHz.


I wound one output coil (1mm enameled) right on the core, as in your pdf, one helix with 50 turns offset. Ontop of it sits the primary pulse coil, made from plastic insulated 1mm wire. Even if the distance between turns is big (2*0.5mm plastic), the flux will cut the outputcoil when linking with the core.
I've made the coil today, maybe test it tomorrow.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 16, 2017, 05:50:31 AM
Oh BTW, rather interesting sparkgap feature I observed recently, when the two electrodes a the gap were just some thin wires: when the spark bridged the gap, somehow both electrodes became positive and therefor repelled eachother, and due to the flexible wire, the distance increased, which stopoed the spark. The wire was vibrating, and in that mode it worked for many hours, which is rather uncommon, almost like with a self-adjustent.
Maybe it was just coincedence that the wire had the right elasticity for this effect,ut it might be a way to quench the spark in a selfsynchronizing way.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 17, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
Woopy has made a successful replication and posted an excellent video on the previous page of this thread.


I thougth I mention it, as some of you may have missed it.


kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: ramset on April 17, 2017, 02:42:31 PM
Woopy's work here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEaDoVnibj8&feature=youtu.be

Jack's work also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on April 17, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
Woopy's work here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEaDoVnibj8&feature=youtu.be

Jack's work also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

respectfully
Chet K
Who was Alexander Chernetsky and his plasma generator 1982 decided. He managed to light bulbs from a coil and a capacitor too! Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!


Regards AG
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 17, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
Thanks also from me for your contributions.


I have made a quick test with the coil shown before. I have to say I'm bad in replications and the setup is far from ideal.


I had a sparkplug where Jack has the GDT. My primary was wound over the secondarie(s).


I guess the sparkgap was about 1mm or 1000vdc, which gave about 20Hz trough the 1.8 Ohm dcR coil.


No lightbulb was lit (220V, 12V car), then I tried a LED, blue 3V 100mA. It was lit a little bit, maybe 1 or 2 mA.


Unlike in Jacks and Laurents tests, the LED became brighter when I closed the two open coil ends.


By varying the sparkgap size I noticed, that the LED increased in brightness when the frequency was increased, despite the voltage going down. It seemed the output is less dependent on orimary voltage than on frequency. Also, the about 1.2 to 1 ratio of turns should have given 1000V output, but the LED wasn't destroyed.


It may be, may setup is highly inefficient in terms of basic induction, so the output current is so low that the LED can settle the voltage down.


Very interesting was the blocking diode test. I tested a LED and a schottky diode in series, one time >> and one time ><. Both times the LED was lit the same. Schottky diodes are fast, so the actual energy transfer must be very short.


So I have a current at the load, with an open coil, but in this inefficient setup only a few. I'll try to make a better test.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
Quote
Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!

Unfortunately even Frolov wasn't able to replicate Chernetskiy plasma generator - and he had undoubtedly better info about his setup than we have.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 18, 2017, 12:38:03 AM
Who was Alexander Chernetsky and his plasma generator 1982 decided. He managed to light bulbs from a coil and a capacitor too! Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!


Regards AG


Just curious... why did you said this device are the same....???
For me they are different...

Anyway, open bifilar (and bucking) coils at the output; really interesting...
Thank you Jack for sharing your works! It's remind me Skywatcher experiment at energetic forum "bucking cool inverter" when he/she said to have a working load with open bucking secondary....
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 19, 2017, 08:04:38 AM

dieter and woopy, thanks for your successful replications. Now you both have a working base setup and from now on every test gives you a win-win result.


You have confirmed several things: this works with any core material and with an open loop core. Increasing the frequency increases the available output power and using mosfets instead of GDTs works too. Good stuff!


dieter, closing the other end of the output coil pair will increase the output power as both outputs are being used and connected in series. But there needs to be blocking diodes or a gap between the load and at least one output coil end. Without them the system becomes a normal transformer which might provide more power but only because the used pulsing frequency is low.


woopy, I am surprised that you got it working using air coil and without resonance. I am unable to watch your video so I don’t know the details of the setup, like the frequency you were using. Perhaps you could try to create a standing wave in your system and maybe increase the output this way.


nelsonrocha, as this works with aircore coil, maybe you could test this using your bifilar pancake coil ? You need to use blocking diodes or air gaps at the output. If you can create the basic effect then you could try to create a standing wave in the output coil and test for resonance effects.


The output power increases linearly as the pulsing frequency is increased. This is similar to a Don Smith device. Don Smith also said that at resonance the output power increases as square of frequency. What if this ‘law of squares’ rule is valid also with this system ?

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 19, 2017, 01:01:29 PM

Can anyone confirm my observation that there is no current flowing through the load using a scope and a current probe ?


I propose three tests:


Use blocking diodes at one end and leave the other end disconnected. Put load between diodes and measure voltage drop across load and current through it. Both should be zero.


Next add blocking diodes also at the disconnected end and connect diodes together. Power should increase as both outputs are now being used serially but still no voltage drop across load and no current should flow.


Last remove the diodes you just added and just connect the wires together. Result is a normal bifilar coil with blocking diodes on it. Is there any difference in the result ?

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on April 19, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Unfortunately even Frolov wasn't able to replicate Chernetskiy plasma generator - and he had undoubtedly better info about his setup than we have.
What if I told you your arse was your elbow and I was senior dean at Oxford University !
the point is your all hot air and you do not do any hardware experiments and all your comments are 'negative' so go away, you have not done the experiment so you have no hardware result to show but you are advising others!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: pomodoro on April 19, 2017, 03:00:08 PM
Stefan while back  kindly shared  some prescious  pages from book by Chernetski with english translations.  they had copyright by Stefan OU.com  1999 from memory.

While he did work on plasmatrons but did not invent them as they say on the net, he also achieved OU with simple two electrode discharge tubes with low pressure hydrogen. A large current of 100A/sqmm is needed for the OU.  Its not the gentle glow tube on the famous youtube video, thats just some prop for the video. On that documentary, the scientist there made it seem that Chernetskii had something. But later, on a web page,  the same scientist guy said that he replicated the experiment many many times , using Chernetskiis notes and came to the conclusion that Chernetskii made errors with phase angles of currents vs voltages {power factors} when he worked out the power and there in no OU.   Whose telling fibs I wonder.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Danas on April 19, 2017, 06:30:00 PM

Considering i have same toroidal core you used it would be ease for me to setup and try what you propose. I do have slight problem. To clalify in your PDF you said: First coil was winded on an 8 mm wide coil former. I used layered coils on a coil former because it is more effective than layered around the whole core.[/size] [/size]My question is and pardon my inability to comprehend, how do [/size][size=78%]your toroidal core as a close unit interact with this bobbin.[/size] Please clarify. Winding on toroid is long process and if you have simpler method i would like to use it. In my experience simply having bobbin on top of toroid did not give good results. Simple hand drawing of setup would help. [/size]
Thank you in advance.
David.
Can anyone confirm my observation that there is no current flowing through the load using a scope and a current probe ?


I propose three tests:


Use blocking diodes at one end and leave the other end disconnected. Put load between diodes and measure voltage drop across load and current through it. Both should be zero.


Next add blocking diodes also at the disconnected end and connect diodes together. Power should increase as both outputs are now being used serially but still no voltage drop across load and no current should flow.


Last remove the diodes you just added and just connect the wires together. Result is a normal bifilar coil with blocking diodes on it. Is there any difference in the result ?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on April 19, 2017, 08:19:39 PM
Hi all, Hi wistiti,

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Anyway, open bifilar (and bucking) coils at the output; really interesting...
Thank you Jack for sharing your works! It's remind me Skywatcher experiment at energetic forum "bucking cool inverter" when he/she said to have a working load with open bucking secondary....
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Yes, it was a joule thief oscillator, with bucking coil secondaries on ferrite tube core.
The coils were facing each other and only one wire from each coil was connected to non-modified led bulb load.
Other than that, the coils were not connected, so open circuit, electrical wiring wise.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 19, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
@Jack, I think Woopy mentioned 1.6 kHz or something like that, with a 58V pulse, iirc.


I'd have to compare closed (torus or CI) and open core with similar coils to find out whether it makes a big diffrence, as I understand a closed core maintains its magnetism after a pulse, like the Leedskalnin PMH, whereas a simple bar core has so much leakage that it relaxes its magnetic domains rather instantly.


I literarly wound a double helix as termed un your pdf, the 1st half CW and the second half (qmwith the 50 turn offset) ontop CCW. This always results in imperfect fit and undesired gaps. I was thinking it may be better to wind both CW and then just reverse the polarity of one, what do you think?


I also think that when we consider the max output as the amount of loose electrons available in the copper (as there is no flow, only stress), a secondary with many layers and copper will deliver much more current on the same principle, although the timing must be diffrent. With 100 turns, the stress unstress bouncing is so fast, that it even passes a schottky diode both ways, we're dealing with nanoseconds here. With a bigger coil that may not work, but that doesn't matter.


I did not dare to connect my digital meter, because I fried the AC section in a similar experiment with a moskito killer transformer. But based on experience with this LED I had an idea about the output.


So ATM I would suggest not to use a solid iron or steel core, but a laminated or better nonconducting, like ferrite, torus or CI core.I'd also suggest not to use such plastic isolated wire for the primary.


I had to use what was at hand, but I'd suggest to stay close to Jacks setup and improve from there.


@Jack, how exactly would you wind a 10 layer output coil for the operation principle discussed here?
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 19, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
BtW. didn't do amp readings, for the reasons noted, but if you get zero amps, it may be the same effect like the schottky diode tunneling, as I would guess your scope tries to rectify before measuring. Then AC goes into a cap, resulting in zero.


Something really fast is going on here. Like I said, a schottky diodes lets current trough in the blocking direction only for the first few nanoseconds of any pulse.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Reason1st on April 20, 2017, 05:57:56 AM
Jack:
Thanks for sharing your work and effort, it is very interesting and very much appreciated.  Since you are not able to view Woopy's video, here is a summary of his air coil and pulse circuit.  I also included attachments of some images I captured from Woopy's video in case you are able to view them.  I hope this is helpful in addition to Woopy's comments.

Air Coil: 78cm x 61cm, 7 windings, 23 turns each, 0.4mm
Pulse: 58VDC, 60mA, 6.3KHz, 16% duty cycle (555 timer circuit with IRF840A MOSFET)
Primary: 1 winding (wire# 0)
Coil capacitor (6 windings):
  Plate 1: 3 windings connected to load at one end and open on the other end (wire# 1, 2, 3)
  Plate 2: 3 windings connected to load at one end and open on the other end (wire# 4, 5, 6)
Load: 6V lamp (with 4 ohm series monitor resistor) connected across coil capacitor from plate 1 to plate 2
Note: Woopy's video shows that the 6V lamp dims and the primary current increases to 90mA when the open ends of the coil capacitor are shorted together to create a transformer.

Woopy:
Thank you also for the replication work that you shared and for all of your other work and effort that you share.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 21, 2017, 12:15:45 PM
dieter:
just keep on winding on top of previous layer, nothing special is required here.
 
danas:
I cut 8 mm coil former from a transformer into four pieces. Then just taped two pieces on the toroid. Purpose of coil former is to simply keep the wires close to each other when they go through toroid. Winding takes time though, at least one hour per 10 meters.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 22, 2017, 02:48:18 AM
Got a nudge to look into this a bit more, so I wound some coils on a 50mm form
which I have a bunch of.  My question is whether it can or does make a difference
if I put the primary inside the secondary or should it be wrapped/formed around
the outside?

Specs:
  I used #24 magnetic wire with about 110 turns on each section.  Winding a
bifilar pair in two sections this way is pretty straightforward and I was able to
keep the pairs tight.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: teslonian on April 22, 2017, 07:01:36 AM

Wow, I want to make one now. What is it? I mean I know what it is, I've seen some coils like that somewhere before sprinkled through out the internet but couldn't understand the workings of it completely. I've read Jack's PDF file and I think I  am getting an understanding of it now, intuitively it makes sense with the whole charge and Coulomb density thing going on there.

Where can I obtain a Gas Discharge Tube at?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 22, 2017, 08:06:09 AM
Where can I obtain a Gas Discharge Tube at?

https://www.digikey.com/products/en/circuit-protection/gas-discharge-tube-arresters-gdt/142

24 volts all the way to 8500 volts.  Should be able to choose a lower voltage and stack
them in series as needed to avoid buying a bunch of different sizes.  Once you have
something tuned in pretty nice, then I suppose you could order just the exact size you
need.

BTW, http://www.amazing1.com/ has all sorts of parts that may be useful for this project.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 24, 2017, 11:56:04 AM
Before I start a new test I have to find a toroid core somehow. I currently can't spend money for this so I'm looking around for a subsitute. Maybe somebody else around here has an idea about what could be used as a toroid core substitute at low or no costs? thx.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 24, 2017, 12:56:30 PM

Note: Woopy's video shows that the 6V lamp dims and the primary current increases to 90mA when the open ends of the coil capacitor are shorted together to create a transformer.


This was good and informative result. I will try to explain it briefly here though it is in the pdf. Before the wires are connected the oscillating magnetic field that occurs outside the wire is pulling in the energy from ambient. This magnetic field that is created by oscillating electric field disappears when the electric field disappears. When the wires are connected together it creates electric current in a closed loop circuit and the electric field is gone. Hence direct energy flow from the ambient ends and you get normal transformer behavior instead.

dieter:
I forgot to answer your coiling question. Think in terms of polarities. There is no energy flow between wire ends of different coils that have the same polarity, unless there is a short circuit. I am sure any kind of winding will work. Highest electric field is created when you simply keep the winding direction the same all the time. Turn offset will increase the electric field and adding layers will do the same. The more turns the output coil pair has the more it can pull from the ambient. Resonance will possibly improve this so that the amount of turns can be reduced significantly.

danas:
woopy used about 70 meters of wire as primary, 58 volt pulse at 6.3 kHz and air core. If you can use similar pulsing frequency then one option would be to make your first system by winding the coils around the circumference of the toroid. Ten meters of 0.3 enameled wire will fit nicely around the M-088 and I believe it is more than enough as a primary coil. If you can use a coil former then you can easily test your system with and without core.

Capacitance between output coils would be useful information in any replication.

Higher voltage GDTs generate less heat than several low voltage GDTs in series. You could also use open air gaps as a starting point.

It should not matter where the primary is wound with respect to secondary.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 24, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
A capacitor that charges itself up from a magnetic impulse.

That's the coolest thing I have ever seen.  WooHoo!

Boy, I don't know how or why the gatekeepers let you slip through the crack Jack,
but the genie is out of the bottle now.

Muchas gracias.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 25, 2017, 05:13:18 AM
Before I start a new test I have to find a toroid core somehow. I currently can't spend money for this so I'm looking around for a subsitute. Maybe somebody else around here has an idea about what could be used as a toroid core substitute at low or no costs? thx.
kr

Hi Dieter,
Maybe you can find a tv ferrite yoke for free...
It may be a good core for this project. One other great thing is they usually came with lots on magnet wire! ;)

Dog-one, i understand you have replicate it. Can i ask you what you use for the oscillation or the primary? Thanks!

I have not much spare time righ now but I will replicate this for sure!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 25, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Dog-one, i understand you have replicate it. Can i ask you what you use for the oscillation or the primary? Thanks!

Nothing fancy, just the basics.

*  NST rectified with about 51 nF of capacitance
*  Primary is just turns of 14 gauge solid wire on a smaller former placed inside the output coil
*  In the middle of the primary is the open air spark gap

The lamp does glow, not bright and is well under unity at the moment.
The ferrite rods must be inserted to get any glow.


At the point where I'm at, the concept looks sound to me.  The main issue I think I'm
having in achieving higher output is the magnetic flux of the primary.  I think the magnetic
field is mostly circulating the wire and not spreading out into the output coil where the
disturbance is needed.  Adding the ferrite rods helps enough to get the lamp to glow.


So my thinking is that I need a way to better get the magnetic field to interact with
the output coil.  Nelson and Evostars probably have the answer by using pancake coils.
With the concept Jack has shared here, using pancake coils would allow the coils to
be placed closely together and since the output coil is non-reactive, the primary would
never see it.  Based on what Jack has mentioned, several pancake style output coils
could be stacked on the primary (both sides), each driving some load.  Too bad standard
induction hobs don't use rapid high voltage pulsed drivers, else we be in business just
using that as our primary and driver system.  Maybe the driver could be tweaked enough
to do what we want for this application...?   :-\  Might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 25, 2017, 09:33:54 PM
Ok, Thank you for the reply!
As i see it you only have one layer of output coil... do im right? Maybe much more length/turn of the secondary is better... Anyway i will share my results as soon as i have the time to play with it.
 :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 25, 2017, 09:53:15 PM
As i see it you only have one layer of output coil... do im right? Maybe much more length/turn of the secondary is better...

Yes, single layer on everything.

There's a lot of variables at play here.  It's standard engineering optimization.  One has
to pick what to improve to make the overall system performance the best they can given
the restrictions of the interacting variables.  I didn't do any of that.  I only put the concept
into physical form to see it manifest itself, which it does.  The lamp glows, connected to
a broken coil that has an impedance of infinity.  My 40+ years of electronics says this
isn't normal behavior.  So with a few new tools in my toolbox, lets see what can be done
with fewer restrictions.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 26, 2017, 12:19:29 AM
As you can see in the scopeshot below, sparks happen at about 73Hz where the
coil ring-down (resonant) is around 86kHz.  Voltage is off the scale--I'm surprised
I haven't smoked my scope with only a 10x probe setting.  Good thing this type
of electrical energy carries no current with it.

What's really amazing is thinking in terms of duty cycle.  The impulse lasts maybe
30us with a duration between pulses of 14 ms, giving us a duty cycle of ~ 0.3%
and yet it still makes the lamp glow with no resonant rise at all.  Pretty amazing
if you ask me.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 26, 2017, 01:06:35 PM
dogone, great that you have working setup at your hands. Fun times ahead.
You can increase output power by using the dual output feature. Move the unconnected ends close to each other so that you get the white spark. I did not test this serially but it should work. Most likely the voltage waveform you showed in the scope remains unchanged.
Coil ringdown occurs at 86 kHz, does this frequency change if core is removed ? Is the ringdown time longer without core ?[size=78%] [/size]
Can you pulse this at resonant frequency with signal generator (no capacitor spark needed) ? Could be that longer primary coil is needed when there is no capacitor to boost the pulse. But nature will take care of it in the form of back-EMF when longer primary coil is used.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on April 26, 2017, 11:08:05 PM
Hi all

just a test with a Bug zapper 3 volts on my EASTER COIL and a LED 220 volt

No claim here simply interesting results

good night at all

https://youtu.be/AXGHWdYDYO0

Laurent

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dansway on April 27, 2017, 04:57:22 AM
Something similar??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 27, 2017, 06:24:30 AM
Hey guys!
I have made some quick test tonight and have something interesting to share.
I have wound 4 layers of magnet bifi wire over a ferrite stick. I use the first layer as a classic "joule thief " as the primary for the oscillation and connect the rest of the 3 layers bifilar serie to have open end coil as Jack show us.

First try I have a poor output but it's completely lens free!!
I have play a bit with my primary bifi coil and found that when I use it open (connect the oscillation to separate legs/wire of the bifi and leave it open) I have much more power at the output than when the primary is normal close coil! :). It remind me the lorrie matchette device...

This need more investigations!   

Thank you Jack !!!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 27, 2017, 06:53:43 AM
Hey guys!
I have made some quick test tonight and have something interesting to share.
I have wound 4 layers of magnet bifi wire over a ferrite stick. I use the first layer as a classic "joule thief " as the primary for the oscillation and connect the rest of the 3 layers bifilar serie to have open end coil as Jack show us.

First try I have a poor output but it's completely lens free!!
I have play a bit with my primary bifi coil and found that when I use it open (connect the oscillation to separate legs/wire of the bifi and leave it open) I have much more power at the output than when the primary is normal close coil! :). It remind me the lorrie matchette device as Danways said...

This need more investigations!   

Thank you Jack !!!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Grumage on April 27, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Hi Matt.

These are exciting times!! Pun intended....

You have made so many posts posing different questions.

Remember Verpies " most excellent " solenoid coil graphic? Showing the field concentration being greater on the inside. Perhaps you need your coils inverted? " ass about face " !! So to speak.

Then you moved onto flat coils, remarking about induction hob's.

You could try this......

https://youtu.be/R9himdPWYQM

It's a rather robust " Royer " oscillator but the beauty of it....... It doesn't need a centre tapped coil.

I'm just waiting on the judges report from the BiFi panel but a few flat coils seem to be the next item on the " to do " list.

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 27, 2017, 08:34:14 PM
These are exciting times!! Pun intended....

Indeed.

You have made so many posts posing different questions.

I'm honestly all over the map trying to assemble a puzzle here.  Feel like I have the pieces
needed, just need to get them put in the proper order and stitched together.

Remember Verpies " most excellent " solenoid coil graphic? Showing the field concentration being greater on the inside. Perhaps you need your coils inverted? " ass about face " !! So to speak.

I had the same instinct too.  Jack mentioned it shouldn't matter, so naturally I did it
backwards I think.

Then you moved onto flat coils, remarking about induction hob's.

Pretty certain this is the way to go here as long as the frequency isn't out of range
of what I have to work with.  The BPC is almost screaming to be used in this application.

You could try this......

https://youtu.be/R9himdPWYQM

It's a rather robust " Royer " oscillator but the beauty of it....... It doesn't need a centre tapped coil.

I had forgot about that one Grum, thank you for reminding me.

What I was going to do is use my Push-Pull setup I built for the Ruslan device and just
use two pancake coils on each side of the output coil.


I'm just waiting on the judges report from the BiFi panel but a few flat coils seem to be the next item on the " to do " list.

From what I can see, an open-ended BPC with a tuning cap across the open end looks to
be the way to go here.  That's about all I can say at the moment until I have a chance to
prove myself wrong.

If you saw Brad's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZhCyKIAvg), it sure looks to me like this is a no-brainer to try for this project.

As I mentioned someplace, I don't know if what I'm thinking is actually what Nelson is
doing, but it sure seems like it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 28, 2017, 09:19:55 PM
So this time I changed the drive mechanism to a push/pull board that I had built
for another project.  The oscillator capacitor is a bit large and limits my top-end
frequency to about 100kHz.  I may switch that out and see what happens at
higher frequency.

Still not seeing what I would call over-unity as yet, but I can easily drive the lamp
to normal brightness--remember this is still a coil that is open on the ends.

Instead of the two pieces of ferrite core, I made a 16-strand clump of welding
rod and inserted that.  What's odd is with the core (top scopeshot) the lamp is
less bright, system draws less amps and the core gets hot.  With the core
removed (lower scopeshot), lamp brightness is higher, but current draw goes
up.  Also notice the RMS voltage hasn't changed, but the brightness of the
bulb is clearly evident.  I state that because a lot of people assume higher
output with a brighter bulb--not necessarily true for a filament bulb.  Without
checking the current and phase angles, we'll just assume brightness level as
an indicator of output power for now.

The blue trace in the scopeshots is one side of the push/pull digital signal so
you can see the approximate duty cycle and get a good reading of the
frequency.  The jaggedness of the yellow output trace across the lamps tells
me the resonant frequency is probably quite a ways up the spectrum.

I should also note, when the lamp is shorted, current draw goes way up as
would be expected by any typically transformer arrangement.  So even with
these open ended coils, impedance takes over and DC resistance no longer
matters.  Lenz effect is clearly present in this system.  I do know it would
sure mess with the heads of a lot of electricians--open DC circuit powering
a light bulb.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 30, 2017, 03:46:44 AM
I was thinking, what's going on here anyway?


Well, we have a primary, pulsing. So far nothing special. Then we got there basicly two secondaries. Still nothing special!


Induction takes place, electrons are forced to move, regardless of wether these coils are connected to anything or not. There is tension at one end and pressure at the other end of each of these two. If we connect a load in series between these two, we allow a certain exchange of electrons between these two coils. However, the current will be highest at the loads contacts and lowest at the open ends, as if we move the center of a rubber band alternating towards the two fixed ends of it. In comparation, a normal output coil has the same current everywhere. All electrons are stressed the same and have the same freedom of movement.


This means, if we induce rather the open ends of the coils, then they will basicly perform like a shortened output coil, but if we induce the other ends instead (the ones connected to the lightbulb), then the unproportionally high current may perform better than any closed coil with no load attached. Overunity at this end of the coil.


Just some thoughts.


I currently moving, so all projects are on standby, hope to be back for tests asap.


BTW, Woopy, thanks for the video. Very impressive. These bugzippers draw only a few current, they run for hours with the two 1.5 V batteries. Output depends on sparkgap frequency, maybe 500 to 1500 V. But in the video, your 220V bild is flickering. I was wondering if it was flickering precisely like that, or whether the video framerate just caused a moiré pattern with the pulse frequency and in real it was shining continously / at the pulsed frequency?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 01, 2017, 04:42:47 PM
Hey guys!
I have made some quick test tonight and have something interesting to share.
I have wound 4 layers of magnet bifi wire over a ferrite stick. I use the first layer as a classic "joule thief " as the primary for the oscillation and connect the rest of the 3 layers bifilar serie to have open end coil as Jack show us.

First try I have a poor output but it's completely lens free!!
I have play a bit with my primary bifi coil and found that when I use it open (connect the oscillation to separate legs/wire of the bifi and leave it open) I have much more power at the output than when the primary is normal close coil! :) . It remind me the lorrie matchette device...

This need more investigations!   

Thank you Jack !!!


wistiti, I believe you have discovered induction by oscillating electric field, in other words induction by voltage pulsing! I think I know what is going on here, I try to explain it. In the coil capacitor system the magnetic field occurs outside the wire and it is in the direction of the wire. When coil capacitor is used as a primary in a rod core it creates magnetic flux that is a contained in the core. I say contained because I don’t know if the flux is circulating or pulsating, but it does not matter for now. Since contained flux is much more efficient than open loop flux more charge is induced in the copper nearby. As the electric field in the output coil is increased the magnetic field increases with it. So the lamp gets brighter as more energy can be pulled in from the ambient when the magnetic field is stronger. The pick up must be a coil capacitor as well. Single coil does not output anything as there is no voltage drop between coil ends. Charge is induced there but as the flux does not move across the coil the voltage is constant in every part of it, the coil will not output anything. When the pick up coil is a coil capacitor it does not matter ‘which way’ the charge gets induced there. Charge either moves from one end to another or charge density increases and decreases in the whole coil length. Either way the electric field is oscillating and creating the oscillating magnetic field which pulls in the energy. It would be interesting to see the waveform of the output coil pair when coil capacitor is used as a primary. 
 
Induction by voltage pulsing gives us another remarkable benefit. The current draw from the source drops significantly, or maybe even close to zero if pulses occur both ways. The drive is now only pumping charge through a capacitor! I believe that finer the wire used in the primary coil capacitor the greater the induction effect. Turn offset optimization in the primary could also work in this case but I am not sure if it would have any effect when used in the output coils. But don’t take my word for it, these should be tested.
 
But there is more. The coil capacitor is pulling energy directly from the ambient and this energy flow is present in the primary also. I believe that it can be used. Add blocking diodes to free ends of the primary coil capacitor and use the capacitor, diode bridge with smoothing capacitor like you did in the output section. Perhaps there is enough hot electricity to make a self runner? Verify the voltage and amperage before making loop back so you don’t break anything. You could put blocking diodes in the output coils as well to increase output and later to prevent frying of the coils. I think that the output power can be controlled by the voltage of the pulse and by the frequency of pulses. To study the effects of these two variables would be the next logical step.
 
Induction by voltage pulsing is a great improvement to the basic system and it opens up new possibilities. Instead of seeking for resonance that could be well below 100 kHz the system could just be voltage pulsed at e.g. one MHz, or even higher. This depends on the limits of the core with voltage pulsing, perhaps higher frequencies can be used than core specs allow. There could be a sweet spot in the magnetic flux also. If magnetic flux is wave like then it will have resonance just like charge does. If voltage pulsing allows the use of higher frequencies then it could open the gate to resonant magnetic flux. 
 
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Dog-One, put blocking diodes in the output coil pair: --<-- load -->--, this will make sure that charge is not moving in a closed loop in your system and you get lenzless behavior. I have shorted the output in my tests and it had no effect on the input. I was using closed loop core and the collector coils were separated from the primary or primary was on top of secondaries. I did the shorting test with and without diodes with current limiter bulb on. One possibility is that your coils are leaking. If so then you should see electric current, or energy flow between same ends of output coil pair. To prevent leaking to occur the loose ends should be connected together using maybe two mm air gap or use blocking diodes before coils are used for the first time. Coils do fry easily and instantly if this is not done and by looking at the scope shots you have provided it could have happened to your system. There were over one kilovolt spikes in the first scope shot, do you think the insulation in the wire that was used can withstand this amount of pressure ? Your output coils are hidden so you cannot see the white dots which occur when the coil is fried. Coil frying is a real nuisance, I should have stressed about it more. It happened to me many times until I started to use blocking diodes. I fried all my test systems except the last one, lol.
 
 
 Hopefully you have time to test voltage pulsing at some stage.
 
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 01, 2017, 06:35:46 PM
Hi Jack!

You seem to be right. I have do some more quick testing and am able to charge a capacitor beside the blocking diode at the open end of the primary. Much more interesting, I find I could charge ( at the same rate) 2 separate circuits from this open secondary!! :o All that with no apparent effect on the input power...

I don't quite understand how it really work but it does. Power input seem not to be important here... Until now I find just voltage and frequency have effect.

Here are some picture of my test.

maybe we can do the same with the secondary...

ps all my coil are bifilar.
Thank you! :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 02, 2017, 06:39:16 AM
Hi all, hi wistiti, after seeing what you are doing, i am now going to give it a go also.
Going to use the ferrite tubes i have here and wind a few bifilar layers and make the first one an oscillator.
Seems interesting that you are getting better output while using an open primary oscillator coil.
Not sure i comprehend how the joule thief is still oscillating like that and i don't see any transistor and such in your circuit.
Anyway, sounds like your transmitting something from that open primary.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 02, 2017, 06:57:14 AM
Hi Sky!
Nice to ear you will try it too! :)
My primary is not a joule thief... ( I try it first) Now I use a radiant oscillator, from Sultech, I have build as the primary source. I connect it on the primary coil who is open... Hope to be clear... not sure... ???

I think the best primary power is one who can deliver hv and variable frequency... but it need more testing (that's why am happy you be here!!) Since now with my little research I found amp is not much a matter... It seems all about Voltage and frequency Like Jack have said.

In my last test I use just one leg of the primary to extract power. (as Jack suggest) I found I can have much power when grounding (maybe antenna will also work) the other leg of the fwbr.   

Let us know about your experimenting!

Sincerely!   :D
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: pomodoro on May 02, 2017, 02:40:14 PM
Here is a quick tip. Its not about Jack's circuit but about the AV plug.The AV plug must end quickly at the capacitor. That's all
 No antennas, wires, leads to meters etc after the plug. It must also be a foot or more above ground.  Its best to use LEDs , filament bulbs, etc as you can't measure the v on a small cap with a 1OM meter all that well when the circuit is off.  If you have any wires at all after the AV plug you are capacitely coupling to earth , or just to the free space capacitance of the metal object, drawing big current thru the  wire to the AV plug .
Perhaps it don't matter with Jack's free energy, but if you do it with a freq gen, it will suck power out of it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 03, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
Hi Promodoro.
Yes I haved realised that the "excited" legs go to the half of the bridge (AV plug) but the strange thing here is this "excited" leg are blocked by a diode BEFORE the av plug...  So normally nothing should reach the av plug.....:o

I did not know about the rest of the reference you give about how to optimize the av plug output.... Interesting!
Thank you!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: pomodoro on May 03, 2017, 11:01:18 PM
The diode that blocks the av plug could have some capacitance, be too slow for the dV/dt or suffer some avalanche or zener breakdown. These factors and perhaps some I have not thought of need to be looked at first.  Another factor is that a coil opened at both ends excited by another can pass large currents if a small length of wire is attached to the ends or even just one end. Its easy to show this using a small Tesla coil with both ends of the secondary not grounded.  If a small filament bulb  has one terminal attached to just one end of the secondary, and a short wire is attached to the other terminal of the bulb, just into space, enough current can flow to make the filament glow, even with a totally insulated wire to stop a corona discharge. Electrons are pumped to and fro the dangling wire, which has some capacitance. Again, this doesn't mean Jacks circuit isn't doing something special, but Im trying to explain to you the behavior of high voltage spikes or high frequency signals on single ended wires. Tesla explained this when he lit his famous bulbs with one wire
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on May 04, 2017, 01:16:37 PM
As I mentioned a couple of times before, any diode is conductive in both ways for the very first few nanosecs or microsecs of a Pulse. As the open secondary is basicly two open secondaries, connected by a load, the actual spike is very short, as it penerates even a HF schottky diode both ways.


Shorting the open secondary (instead of a lightbulb load) will simply make it one normal secondary with no load attached, no surprise there.




Bringing the open ends close together, so a sparkgap is taking place, clearly showed in my (1000vdc on primary pulse) experiment that the secondary in fact has high voltage, maybe 1 to 2 kV. Yet, the LED was not fried, but when I recently tested the DC resistance of this blue 100mA 3V LED (5 LEDs in parallel internally), my meter showed something like 5 megaohm, I think that is not normal. However, it is still working.


No matter how low the resistance of the load is you connect to this open ends secondary, the secondary will always be like a standard secondary with absolutely no load attached, and that is the beaity of it.


I think we should therefor concentrate on a secondary with a huge amount of turns and copper, induced by a very efficient inductive coupling design.


thanks for your attention.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 05, 2017, 07:38:35 AM
Hi all, not sure if this is anything expected, i placed a 6.6 nano farad, non polarized, 600 volt capacitor across the ends of the open ended coil strands of the second layer.
Used the first bifilar layer as a joule thief oscillator.
Then connected the other coil ends to a non-modified led bulb.
With the oscillator running with no led bulb or load, amperage is 200 milliamps, using 11.9 volt input.
With the led bulb as load, amperage is 190 milliamps and led bulb is lighted brightly.
When i short circuit the wires that previously were across the led bulb, the amperage drops to 100 milliamps.
Seems interesting, maybe.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 05, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
I like the Joule Thief circuit because of its simplicity. Revisited the specs (PJK’s chapter 5) and realized that this circuit can be used to control the voltage and frequency of the pulse. Take the basic joule thief circuit as a base and modify it to make a FLEET device which has plastic ring core and bifilar pick up coil (without output diode). The amount of turns in the bifilar pick up coil controls the voltage of the pulse and the amount of turns in the bifilar primary controls the frequency of the pulses. It was evident from the pdf that when inductance goes down the frequency goes up, just compare the frequencies achieved with and without ferrite core. It is best to first wind the bifilar pick up coil using fine enameled wire and then the bifilar primary coil on top of it, insulated wire can be used for this. This way it will easy to play with different frequencies by modifying the turn count and wire size of the primary. To me this sounds like a perfect solution for voltage pulsing experiments.
 
It would be nice to be able to make the oscillator a self running component. Wind a third coil in the same direction using enameled wire on top of the bifilar secondary coil so that there is strong capacitive effect between them. Also place the coil in the center to get good turn offset. Put AC capacitor in the end of third coil and in the joint of enameled bifilar coil. The beginning of third coil is left open so that it is a coil capacitor. Size of this AC capacitor can be used to limit the feedback power. Then add diode bridge to the AC capacitor and smooth it with another capacitor to get DC. When energy from the ambient flows it charges the capacitor and this can then be used for feedback. Add turns in the third coil until enough energy is collected to make a self running oscillator. Experimentation is needed here to find the best solution. I think that ambient energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed amount of coulombs regardless of capacitor size. So by making the capacitor smaller more energy will be stored in it according to capacitor equations.
 
Still moving on with the design, the output power needs to be controlled safely. Frequency of the pulses can be changed using variable capacitor that drives the transistor. This would enable tuning in case resonance effects are found. If resonance is not needed then this control can be omitted. Second controller could be added to control the current in the primary of the oscillator, a variable resistor maybe. This would control the voltage of the oscillator pulse, a sort of throttle. It is easier to control the output power in the low power oscillator side than on the high power output side. Don’t ask for schematics, just proposing some ideas here for further development.
 
It is possible that with voltage pulsing core is not necessary, so it would be good to be able to test the collector with and without core.
 
Joule thief based voltage pulser can be changed easily into AEC by using blocking diodes. Add them in every coil end. Connect the diodes in the middle joint together and then to capacitor so that the feedback remains. Its power output will most likely change though. Connect load to output normally, or convert it to DC using the method already described. With blocking diodes in place the charge is contained within the coils. Now you can experiment with resonance if you can alter the frequency of the oscillations. You need to figure out how to modify the joule thief so that frequency sweeping is possible.
 
Connect the voltage pulser to your coil capacitor system. Is it possible to create a standing wave in the secondary of the pulsed system using voltage pulsing ? If yes, then is it possible to create a standing wave in the primary coil capacitor and in the secondary coil capacitor at the same time ? Output power then proportional to frequency squared ?
With this test all the coils in the pulsed system must be of exactly same length. The coil capacitor that is used as primary must be connected with series capacitors to the pulser output so that coil length does not change. Is one quarter rule applicable here, primary coil capacitor one quarter of the length of the secondary coil capacitor ? Does it matter which way the voltage pulser is connected to the pulsed system ? Method that is known to work is to connect pulser output to opposite ends of different wire. What happens when pulser output is connected to same ends of different wire ? These tests can be done quickly using signal generator and a scope. If results are positive then modify the Joule thief based voltage pulser to get voltage pulses at the correct frequency and use it instead of signal generator.
 
 When there is parallel capacitor in the output side it will prevent coil frying and I believe that then there is no need to use safety spark gap. But this is untested at the moment so better to start with parallel capacitor and safety spark. If the spark does not fire then it can be removed.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 05, 2017, 06:42:42 PM
Hi all, here is the circuit drawing of the experiment i am testing.
The no load amperage changed from last night to today, now there is no change, it stays the same, though the shorted amperage is still 100 milliamps.
Here is circuit.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 08, 2017, 08:14:54 AM
Hi Jack!

You seem to be right. I have do some more quick testing and am able to charge a capacitor beside the blocking diode at the open end of the primary. Much more interesting, I find I could charge ( at the same rate) 2 separate circuits from this open secondary!! :o All that with no apparent effect on the input power...

I don't quite understand how it really work but it does. Power input seem not to be important here... Until now I find just voltage and frequency have effect.

Here are some picture of my test.

maybe we can do the same with the secondary...

ps all my coil are bifilar.
Thank you! :)


Another cool discovery wistiti! Energy flows in from the tip and when extended with capacitor it is charged with like charge. FWRB then makes the charge to move and ground connection enhances this. Couple of tests needed to learn more about what is going on here.
 
Can you replace ground connection with floating ground like metal plate, piece of wire or even hand ?
 
Change the value of capacitor to a smaller value. If output increases then it means that energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed amount of charge. If output decreases then energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed density of charge. I think there are two cases here. When AC capacitor is connecting coil capacitor ends it gets filled with fixed amount of charge. So smaller capacitor gives out more energy. When capacitor is connected to one end only more charge appears the larger the surface area. Coaxial cable at free end could be better than plain capacitor as there is more surface area in it.
 
Back to capacitor at free end with one end grounded. Purpose of this test is to check if diode bridge is needed. Both capacitor plates are charged with like charge so diodes that enter negative terminal of the bridge can be removed. Does this still work ? If yes, then the other two diodes can also be replaced with wire so the capacitor plates are now shorted and connected through load to ground. Does this work ?
 
Replace the capacitor with coaxial cable but connect it to both free ends of the coil capacitor. Do this so that two different layers from opposite ends of the coax are connected to two free ends of the coil capacitor (blocking diodes still in place). Leave other ends of coax unconnected so that capacitor is formed. Now you can take charge that appears on the coax from the joints and connect them through load to ground. Use diodes depending how the diode test went. Hopefully no diodes are needed.
 
If all went well, then perhaps entire coil capacitor system could be built using one multilayer high voltage coaxial cable. Two layers closest to each other are voltage pulsed and the two layers are used as charge collectors. The innermost layer can perhaps be used as floating ground.
 
Skywatcher, now you have electric loop. Put blocking diodes before the load to get rid of it: --<-- load -->-- . Shorted output should then have no effect on source. Can you estimate frequency of pulses and voltage ? Maybe you can try this circuit for voltage pulsing ?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 08, 2017, 12:48:00 PM
Skywatcher, better to put blocking diodes at every coil end. Then you will have a baseline version which you can compare your modifications against. wistiti discovered voltage pulsing when Joule thief pulsed a different system. You could test what happens when all the coils are on the same core. So third bifilar winding is needed for this test. Connect the second layer as normal bifilar and connect it to third layer which is coil capacitor, see wistiti’s drawings in I am unclear. This forms the voltage pulser. Then use fourth layer coil capacitor for pick up and put blocking diodes in place and connect to load. When all coils are on the same core, the Joule thief will kick every coil and the voltage pulser will kick some more. What would happen in this case I have no idea. If this is a working setup then you can vary the frequency by using fifth layer as Joule thief primary. You can easily experiment with different amount of turns when the Joule thief primary is on top. I hope I was making sense.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 08, 2017, 03:09:26 PM
Thank you Jack for your reply!

Im thinking to try your concept for winding a generator... Im thinking to replace all the original winding of a generator by bifilar coil and leave it open end and just connect the output to the other open legs... What you think of it?

sincerly!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on May 08, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
It;s interesting to try all kinds if variations, even if the increasing complexity of interaction becomes unhandy at some point. Personally I would rather try to isolate the anomaly as much as possible in order to understand and ultimatively use it.


First:
Is the energy consumption of the basic model WITHOUT ANY LOAD about the same as in a standard transformer without any load?


Second:
When adding a load, does energy consumption rise, sink or remain the same?


If there is indication that it consumes more than just standart losses without a load, then this is a dead end like angus mcwangus (or however)' PMH bucking coils.


Even tho we do not "transport" any electrons trough this OEPC open ends pickup coil, we still cause a reactive magnetic field (although nonlinearly sweeping) and this field brings the primary in phase, which then consumes energy.


However, I'm just going trough the options. But, as none responded to my previous postings in this thread, I must assume there's no sense in writeing further. This is no touchy bs, it's just pointless to keep on talking to a group that does not react, right?


I thank you Jack for publishing these findings, which I keep on experimenting with, although without blog or so.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 08, 2017, 07:24:59 PM
Hi dieter
are you saying you have test it??
If so why you don't share your results?

Thank's
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on May 08, 2017, 07:59:57 PM
I did, but it's ok.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 08, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
Hi dieter,
Sorry for my dumb question...! :(
I have just give a look back at the tread and see your work... ???

What your conclusion so far with your research on it?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Danas on May 08, 2017, 09:33:11 PM
Testing and experimenting is all that matters. Definitely something here..  I just burnt my primary.  Before i destroyed coil i can tell you lamp burnt for a short time with such beautiful glow that i can only describe in religious therms,, Angelic,, LOL.. so soft so pure and white, fascinating. My voltage was to high,, bummer. I was looking for nice low voltage resonator and resurrected my old project. After some measurments we can clearly see what resonace can do. Lamp is LED 110 v ac not modified and is running half intensity on differential of only 4 milliamps.  It can be seen that unloaded resonator consumes much more power that when limp is running. Going to try to repeat results with lower voltages. I am using stack of ferrite rings and going to adopt resonator to try it. See short video attached.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6j8h1-aRBY


David.


quote author=wistiti link=topic=17119.msg506201#msg506201 date=1494264299]
Hi dieter
are you saying you have test it??
If so why you don't share your results?

Thank's
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 09, 2017, 12:41:51 PM
When coil capacitor ends that have blocking diodes are connected to a capacitor, both capacitor plates are filled with like charge. Closer the plates are together more energy it will contain (Coulomb’s law). This makes me think that AC capacitor that has large capacitance but low voltage rating is the best option for a charge collector. Maybe DC capacitors could be used as well, pluses connected to coil ends and minuses connected together and to ground then load between plus and minus poles. One option, might be less effective.
 
Induction by oscillating magnetic field (current pulsing) fills the coil with charge and charge is packed towards coil end. Voltage is developed between coil ends. When this occurs in a coil capacitor it pulls in energy that has more density than volume. Energy flows horizontally in a solenoid coil. I have observed this in my tests. Adding turns in the coil capacitor made the white spark longer but thickness remained the same. Induction by oscillating electric field (voltage pulsing) fills the coil evenly with charge, volume of charge increases. When this occurs in a coil capacitor it pulls in energy that has more volume than density. Energy flows vertically in a solenoid. This case I have not been able to test, so theory at the moment. When both induction methods are applied to same coil at the same time we get both charge volume and charge density in the coil. When this lump of charge is oscillating in a coil capacitor it will pull in energy from the ambient that also has volume and density and its ability to fill charge collector is increased.
 
Now we can capture horizontal energy flow in a charge collector by adding capacitor to coil end where the energy comes in. Vertically flowing energy flows through the entire length of the solenoid. How to capture it in a charge collector ? Capacitor needs to extend all over the solenoid so a normal capacitor cannot be used. This gave me prototype area of a simple system.
 
Take plastic tube, diameter large enough so that you can put in ferrite to test with and without core and perhaps try resonance testing. Wind one layer of aluminum foil on it, insulate layer, then another foil and insulate it. Wind it as tight as possible to get good Coulomb effect. Add leads in both ends so you can test capacitor from opposite ends and same ends. This forms the charge collector. Next three layers of bifilar windings using enameled wire (fine gauge) all over the tube. One layer is Joule thief primary, second layer is joule thief step up and third is the voltage pulser. Add the aluminum capacitor to voltage pulser coil that has diodes in place. See wistiti’s drawings for connections if unclear. Now you can test several things in one build. For example, vary which layer is the joule thief primary and which is step up etc. Measure capacitance of the aluminum capacitor and use similar capacity plain capacitor instead. Resonance testing by sliding ferrite core inside the tube. Plenty of variations to test, should be interesting.
 
wistiti, I did not quite understand what you meant. Try the capacitor tests if possible before advancing. This way we can learn more of the behavior of capacitors as charge collectors.
 
dieter, your work is valuable. This is open source development, everyone does what he pleases and best solutions will come out eventually.
 
danas, good work!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 10, 2017, 12:43:38 PM
To avoid any misunderstandings I made schematic of the prototype test device to experiment with vertical energy flow. There is diode bridge as a rectifier, might not be required but I put it since it is known to work at the moment. Also known is that ground improves output, floating ground might also work but it is not tested yet. If there is resonance it occurs in the joule thief secondary and voltage pulse coil, together they form one four units long solenoid. Moveable ferrite core should help in finding the sweet spot. Pick up coil capacitor winding is wound on top. There are blocking diodes in the coil ends so coil pair is in parallel. This results in a coil pair that has length of one unit so quarter wave relationship exists between primary and this pick up. The output marked as ‘Load’ has pure energy and ‘DC Load’ has hot electricity. There is safety air gap as we don’t know what to expect. If you start using 1.5 volt joule thief circuit then this should be safe to experiment with.
 
 If two layers of bifilar windings are added then turn offset optimization can be tested, see figure 6 in the pdf on page 2 how to connect layered coils.[/font]


Second joule thief primary can be wound over all coils to experiment with higher voltage pulses. This will replace the first joule thief winding.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 12, 2017, 10:49:35 AM
To avoid any misunderstandings I made schematic of the prototype test device to experiment with vertical energy flow. There is diode bridge as a rectifier, might not be required but I put it since it is known to work at the moment. Also known is that ground improves output, floating ground might also work but it is not tested yet. If there is resonance it occurs in the joule thief secondary and voltage pulse coil, together they form one four units long solenoid. Moveable ferrite core should help in finding the sweet spot. Pick up coil capacitor winding is wound on top. There are blocking diodes in the coil ends so coil pair is in parallel. This results in a coil pair that has length of one unit so quarter wave relationship exists between primary and this pick up. The output marked as ‘Load’ has pure energy and ‘DC Load’ has hot electricity. There is safety air gap as we don’t know what to expect. If you start using 1.5 volt joule thief circuit then this should be safe to experiment with.
 
 If two layers of bifilar windings are added then turn offset optimization can be tested, see figure 6 in the pdf on page 2 how to connect layered coils.[/font]


Second joule thief primary can be wound over all coils to experiment with higher voltage pulses. This will replace the first joule thief winding.


 Added diodes according to wistiti’s drawings to make the schematic more complete. Output labeled ‘FB’ is for feedback to oscillator. Before closing the loop consider what happens to your oscillator if voltage changes from 1.5 V to 12 V. If voltage pulse increases then result is a runaway and something will break. Series capacitor connected directly to ground is a simpler option but since it is untested at the moment I left it out.[/font]
 In the ‘DC Load’ side the charge collector plates are most likely unevenly loaded with charge. Connecting them through diodes to load to ground could be a working solution. But untested so I left it out also.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 15, 2017, 05:57:03 AM
Hi guys! Just let you know I have play a bit with the concept today. I try copper foil as a coil capacitor for the secondary But have not good output.

The best I have until now is with multi layer of bifilar open coil as the output.... more to come when the time permit!

Hope the best to all!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 16, 2017, 01:39:32 PM
Hi guys! Just let you know I have play a bit with the concept today. I try copper foil as a coil capacitor for the secondary But have not good output.

The best I have until now is with multi layer of bifilar open coil as the output.... more to come when the time permit!

Hope the best to all!


It was a good idea to test using insulated copper foils. There are some improvements that could be done to increase output power.
 
When copper foil is used to make a coil capacitor it is important to have many turns (or layers). When each layer is over previous layer the electric field between layers is increased. Doubling the amount of turns increases output power four times. Thickness of insulation that is used with the copper foil is directly related to available output power. Thin insulation increases and thick insulation decreases it. If you need more power then add more turns. From the pictures it appears that the copper foil you are using has insulation on both sides of copper. One layer could be removed to make more effective system, if possible. Distance between layers would be halved so output will increase four times. Adding these two improvements in the same system and output power will increase sixteen times compared to what you have now.
 
I realized why turn offset increases energy output: it does voltage pulsing! Now the test system becomes a lot easier to make as there is no need to use separate voltage pulser. I cannot imagine where to put charge collectors in this system so they can be left out. Take a plastic tube, use small diameter to get many turns but large enough so that you can put in any ferrite you have. This will be useful when tuning the system. Then tape one foil on the tube, second on top of first, then third and fourth layer. Now you have four stripes attached to tube and you can start winding them all at once and make a tight wrapping as you go. Take outputs from the start and end of wrapping from every foil. With four layers you can experiment with coil offset by cross connecting the layers so that you will have two segments for coil: layer 1 connected to layer 3 forms the first coil and layer 4 connected to layer 2 forms the second coil. On top of this coil capacitor you can make the Joule thief primary winding. In case you have only two copper sheets to work with then use only two layers, unless you are willing to cut one foil in two parts and connect it as shown in figure 3 of the pdf. Use of turn offset more or less doubles the output power. Using both outputs at the same time also doubles the output power. Adding all these together you would get 64 times more output power compared to what you get now.
 
One test could be to try tuning the Joule thief by moving the ferrite core and create a standing wave in the coil capacitor.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jo-EL on May 16, 2017, 04:38:50 PM
I have read a little of the document fast and it looks very good.
I would suggest to read also another document that can be complementary of Jacknoskills' one. If someone is interested in the second document, let me know it here and I will search and publish here the name of the document.

I am interested in the second document, please let me know were to get it !   ?

Jo
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Reason1st on May 20, 2017, 04:22:54 AM
I have the book in paper, so I don't have a link.
They are two books, called "Energy conserver theory" George Wiseman.  The book explains:
"Heat, light and magnetism are side affects of electron flow and do not 'consume' electricity." 'Electricity' is lost in conventional circuits when the source neutralizes itself (electron density equalizes)"
It explains more detailed than JackNoSkills pdf document and it explains very similar theories. Wiseman also explains about "electron density equalization".

Jo-EL:
Later the same day Magnethos posted that it turned out he was referring to two books so he did not have a document link.  If you want to have a better idea about what the books cover I found that George Wiseman uploaded free previews to his two books on Scribd, here are the links:
https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview) 
https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
test
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: forest on May 21, 2017, 11:19:51 AM
Jo-EL:
Later the same day Magnethos posted that it turned out he was referring to two books so he did not have a document link.  If you want to have a better idea about what the books cover I found that George Wiseman uploaded free previews to his two books on Scribd, here are the links:
https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview) 
https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview)


Very good theory. I agree and I could add that the source of energy is magnetic field - electrons are like little magnets and their magnetic momentum is what create macroscopic magnetic field which is the reason for heat,light, magnetism.