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Author Topic: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor  (Read 28227 times)

Offline antimony

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #120 on: June 15, 2017, 10:13:55 AM »
I am sorry, but I havent yet understood what turn offset means? I am from Europe, and not speaking english usually, so there are sometimes there are words or sentences that doesnt make sense to me, and when Google cant provide me with an answer i have to ask.
So i Hope you are not too mad at me for not getting this. :D

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #121 on: June 15, 2017, 04:34:17 PM »

Hi Woopy,Thanks for doing the magnet motor experiment.I will disagree for the moment with your results.I used ceramic magnets {not neo} because I had them on hand.I will say the spinning force appears to be small.I could not get spin with stiffer materials.But I need to do more experimenting.My sewing thread did not unravel.triffid











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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #122 on: June 15, 2017, 04:39:38 PM »
Woopy I reread your comment and will have to try some straight wire as you called it.triffid

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #123 on: June 22, 2017, 03:33:34 PM »


Woopy,A safety pin and a paper clip rotates just fine when suspended over a solid circular permanent magnet.The paper clip does not spin over a rectangular permanent magnet. So I guess not all magnets are created equal?If someone here would create a link to another thread for the paper clip magnet motor I would post my future findings there.Triffid




If the twist of the wire is responsible then it should rotate in all magnetic fields.But it does not.
Both a paper clip and a safety pin makes a rather good balanced rotor.For very little cost too I might add.
Your straight wire may not have had enough surface area to interact with a spinning magnetic field?


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #124 on: August 24, 2017, 03:33:20 PM »

My last post here was two months ago .That spinning force on the solid circular magnet(paperclip) is less than the surface tension of water.There is a number for the surface tension of water.Plus I had added dishwashing soap to the water to reduce the surface tension.So that spinning force is very,very weak.I had glued a 2 1/2 inch paper clip to the center of a (inside)vitamin bottle lid.So no strings were attached to the paperclip.I set this device upon a dish of water(soapy)(floating like a little boat) and got it to turn two and a half times before the surface tension brought it back to the starting point.So I learned two things,there is a spinning force and its very,very weak. Triffid




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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #126 on: September 07, 2017, 03:24:14 PM »
More new info. on the safety pin magnet motor.It turns out that the safety pins work better than the paper clips because when closed the safety pins function as a closed loop of one turn(its a coil everybody).As it turns in a magnetic field a current flows through it.A paper clip may or may not be closed. But that means a straight wire will never work.Its not closed.triffid

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #127 on: September 19, 2017, 01:04:42 PM »
I haven’t been able to follow this thread since beginning of July. I will put here what I have written off line all in one post.
 
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woopy, voltage in your copper foil setup (when measured across opposite endpoints of different coils) could be increased. Now the primary coil is between the coil capacitor and distance between plates is thus made larger. Voltage is maximized when distance between charged surfaces is minimized (Coulomb’s law). So the primary coil should be wound on top of coil capacitor to get maximum voltage. Winding the coil capacitor on a coil former so that there are several layers would increase the output even more. Lowering the duty cycle would also increase the output since there would be more time for the charge to move freely in the coil capacitor. You could make a coil capacitor from the primary and try capacitive pulsing at some stage. Look how the current oscillations change in the output. This would be a very interesting scope shot to see. This test gives the best result when the entire length of the energy collecting coil capacitor is covered with pulsing coil capacitor, see wistiti’s way of doing it. I understand now why pulsing using coil capacitor works. When capacitor is charged the current flow is at maximum in the beginning of charge cycle and it decreases exponentially. To maximize the induction effect current flow should be stopped as soon as possible. This means that a short pulse gives the best result when using coil capacitor for pulsing, so low mark space ratio should be used. This gave the idea of using a coil capacitor based Joule Thief to create pulses.
 
Voltage oscillation in the coil capacitor is caused by the movement of charge back and forth in the coils. This oscillation is initiated by the drive pulse. The voltage oscillation has tubular waveform as there is no inductance to slow it down. Note how the voltage oscillation starts over when the next pulse occurs: voltage and current waveforms are identical during every pulse. The waveforms are in phase but there is no resonant rise. In this setup the resonant frequency is high and the sine wave width is shorter than the drive pulse width. So each pulse prevents resonant rise to occur: drive pulse lasts too long and it prevents the output coil capacitor from ringing fully. Lowering the duty cycle of the drive pulse will fix this problem. Or make the resonant frequency lower using more turns in the coil capacitor so that drive pulse width will be shorter than sine wave width. Be careful here that you don’t accidentally get resonance as your input pulse voltage is way too high at the moment. Use of signal generator would be the safest way to start resonance experiments. Dog One got 220 volt peak to peak pulses using 5 volt input pulses without resonance with his air cored 1:1 ratio 100 kHz setup. This clearly indicates the Coulomb’s law in action in a coil capacitor systems.
 
Not exactly sure about your test setup, did you use diodes or air gaps ? If there were no blocking diodes in your test then you could retest with diodes in place: --<-- load -->-- , and then measure voltage drop across load. This should be zero as the diodes block charge. If not zero then it should be significantly less than voltage drop across blocking diodes. This voltage (if present) is created by ambient energy hitting metal. There is energy going through the load but there is no charge going through the load.
 
This could be verified with current probes on both sides of the load (two tests: probes before and after diodes), are current waveforms identical or are they different ? This should be tested also without load connected, can the magnetic field be still detected by the current probe (two tests again) ?
 
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I revised the theory to be more detailed by using field potentials, this is about ‘ringing a bell’. The information I got from woopy’s scope shot played a significant role in this development. Where mechanical bell outputs sound, electrical bell outputs ambient energy. I also updated the ‘conversion to hot electricity’ section based on wistiti’s results.
 
There is a concept idea for a reference system that uses Joule Thief based oscillator using coil capacitors without resistor (page 24 onwards). The starting point was a JT circuit that used 0.77nF capacitor instead of the 1k resistor. If 0.77nF makes JT to oscillate then about the same capacitance coil capacitor will also make it oscillate. Idea is to first make a fast oscillating self running oscillator with frequency and pulse strength controls and then apply it to a coil capacitor energy collecting system (which is wound on top of the oscillator). This sounds simple and it is. Just one transistor, variable resistors and a capacitor, the rest is done with coiling and resonance.
 
I hope this will get built by me at some stage or by some experimenter so that we would get a working reference design anyone can build easily and at low cost. Just like the original Joule Thief circuit.
 
gotoluc and wistiti showed that a coil capacitor can be used as an inductor. Therefore it can be used to create an electromagnet for electric motors as well. I added my thoughts on that at the end.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #128 on: September 19, 2017, 08:38:42 PM »
Nice to ear from you Jack!
Thank you for the pdf

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #129 on: September 20, 2017, 10:43:34 AM »
I haven’t been able to follow this thread since beginning of July. I will put here what I have written off line all in one post.
 
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woopy, voltage in your copper foil setup (when measured across opposite endpoints of different coils) could be increased. Now the primary coil is between the coil capacitor and distance between plates is thus made larger. Voltage is maximized when distance between charged surfaces is minimized (Coulomb’s law). So the primary coil should be wound on top of coil capacitor to get maximum voltage. Winding the coil capacitor on a coil former so that there are several layers would increase the output even more. Lowering the duty cycle would also increase the output since there would be more time for the charge to move freely in the coil capacitor. You could make a coil capacitor from the primary and try capacitive pulsing at some stage. Look how the current oscillations change in the output. This would be a very interesting scope shot to see. This test gives the best result when the entire length of the energy collecting coil capacitor is covered with pulsing coil capacitor, see wistiti’s way of doing it. I understand now why pulsing using coil capacitor works. When capacitor is charged the current flow is at maximum in the beginning of charge cycle and it decreases exponentially. To maximize the induction effect current flow should be stopped as soon as possible. This means that a short pulse gives the best result when using coil capacitor for pulsing, so low mark space ratio should be used. This gave the idea of using a coil capacitor based Joule Thief to create pulses.
 
Voltage oscillation in the coil capacitor is caused by the movement of charge back and forth in the coils. This oscillation is initiated by the drive pulse. The voltage oscillation has tubular waveform as there is no inductance to slow it down. Note how the voltage oscillation starts over when the next pulse occurs: voltage and current waveforms are identical during every pulse. The waveforms are in phase but there is no resonant rise. In this setup the resonant frequency is high and the sine wave width is shorter than the drive pulse width. So each pulse prevents resonant rise to occur: drive pulse lasts too long and it prevents the output coil capacitor from ringing fully. Lowering the duty cycle of the drive pulse will fix this problem. Or make the resonant frequency lower using more turns in the coil capacitor so that drive pulse width will be shorter than sine wave width. Be careful here that you don’t accidentally get resonance as your input pulse voltage is way too high at the moment. Use of signal generator would be the safest way to start resonance experiments. Dog One got 220 volt peak to peak pulses using 5 volt input pulses without resonance with his air cored 1:1 ratio 100 kHz setup. This clearly indicates the Coulomb’s law in action in a coil capacitor systems.
 
Not exactly sure about your test setup, did you use diodes or air gaps ? If there were no blocking diodes in your test then you could retest with diodes in place: --<-- load -->-- , and then measure voltage drop across load. This should be zero as the diodes block charge. If not zero then it should be significantly less than voltage drop across blocking diodes. This voltage (if present) is created by ambient energy hitting metal. There is energy going through the load but there is no charge going through the load.
 
This could be verified with current probes on both sides of the load (two tests: probes before and after diodes), are current waveforms identical or are they different ? This should be tested also without load connected, can the magnetic field be still detected by the current probe (two tests again) ?
 
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I revised the theory to be more detailed by using field potentials, this is about ‘ringing a bell’. The information I got from woopy’s scope shot played a significant role in this development. Where mechanical bell outputs sound, electrical bell outputs ambient energy. I also updated the ‘conversion to hot electricity’ section based on wistiti’s results.
 
There is a concept idea for a reference system that uses Joule Thief based oscillator using coil capacitors without resistor (page 24 onwards). The starting point was a JT circuit that used 0.77nF capacitor instead of the 1k resistor. If 0.77nF makes JT to oscillate then about the same capacitance coil capacitor will also make it oscillate. Idea is to first make a fast oscillating self running oscillator with frequency and pulse strength controls and then apply it to a coil capacitor energy collecting system (which is wound on top of the oscillator). This sounds simple and it is. Just one transistor, variable resistors and a capacitor, the rest is done with coiling and resonance.
 
I hope this will get built by me at some stage or by some experimenter so that we would get a working reference design anyone can build easily and at low cost. Just like the original Joule Thief circuit.
 
gotoluc and wistiti showed that a coil capacitor can be used as an inductor. Therefore it can be used to create an electromagnet for electric motors as well. I added my thoughts on that at the end.

his last twenty(underestimating: real more then 40) years are "capacitive coil" devices related :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=pavel+imris&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=pavel+imris&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search
"capacitive coils" equipped motors would need an industrial factory work processs change (probably in near future) but the first step :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160812&CC=DE&NR=202016004514U1&KC=U1#

                     no need of electric motor change cause the energy source is "capacitive coil" based

can you understand german ? or do you need a translation ? espacenet-translation :

 http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202016004514&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

I wrote here : http://overunity.com/16775/electric-bikescooter-motor/msg510783/#new
                       Do not trust 100% technical language translations: you only get probably 50% knowledge

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=202016004514U1&KC=U1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20160812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

                       [0020]    Gemäß der Erfindung ist der elektrische Antrieb für viele Elektroverbraucher technisch leicht anwendbar für:

    – Elektrofahrzeuge
– Lokomotiven und alle Schienenfahrzeuge
– Schiffe und Boote
– Induktionsheizung
– Elektroflugzeuge und Hubschrauber
– Satelliten und Spacestations
– elektrische Werkzeuge für Handwerker
– landwirtschaftliche Maschinen
– die metallurgische Industrie
– ein dezentrales und diversifiziertes Energiesystem

I take this german phrases and enter this into the google translator german/saxonic field and let this translate to english/anglo-saxonic :
[0020] According to the invention, the electrical drive is technically easily applicable to many electrical consumers for:

- Electric vehicles
- Locomotives and all rail vehicles
- Ships and boats
- Induction heating
- Electric aircraft and helicopter
- Satellites and Spacestations
- electrical tools for craftsmen
- agricultural machinery
- the metallurgical industry
- a decentralized and diversified energy system

un unimportant -no need to translate - part of this application,is it not ?

Sincerely
              OCWL

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2017, 03:28:18 PM »
I am able to get an insulated(not closed) paperclip to spin.triffid
So its magnetic flux?

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #131 on: October 02, 2017, 01:55:19 PM »
What I wrote about induction motors was way too complex and I need to correct myself about that. The solution is so simple that anyone can convert a factory made induction motor by just rewinding the stator coils. Rather than posting the entire pdf I will just put the modified part below.
 
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Development idea for electric motor
A coil capacitor based electromagnet that is suitable to be used in an electric motor should be an interesting project. Starting point would be to build an experimental coil capacitor based electromagnet and charge it from opposite endpoints of different wire, see the upper coil system in figure 3. Easiest solution would be to use enameled ‘figure eight’ wire, as thin as possible, and measure its capacitance. Charging time depends on the rotation speed, about 10 ms should be enough for a motor that makes 50 revolutions per second (or 3000 rpm). Higher charging voltage creates stronger magnetic pulse due to increased charging current. Adding turns increases the duration of the magnetic pulse due to increased capacitance and creates a stronger magnetic pulse due to increased turn count. A series resistor will increase the duration and decrease the strength of the magnetic pulse due to decreased charging current. You should experiment also how different permeability cores affect to pulse strength but if you plan to convert factory made motors then this is not too important.
 
Next you can continue and try to rewind a DC motor using the information you gained from the first experiment. A second set of brushes can possibly be used to discharge coil capacitor back to source via diodes which gives additional magnetic pulse of opposite polarity. While one coil set is being charged another coil set will be discharged. This adds complexity and is probably not an option when using factory made motors. Winding a DC motor using fine wire without coil former is time consuming and error prone. Besides those brushes eventually wear out so a better alternative is required.
 
An induction motor can be converted in a similar fashion to DC motor. In this case the stator coils are replaced with coil capacitor coils. As the coil capacitor does not produce any heat it is possible to use plastic coil formers which makes coil winding and prototyping a lot easier compared to DC motor. The stator coil capacitors are connected so that the original ‘rotating pole’ effect is maintained. When the motor is running the AC source is pumping charge back and forth through the coil capacitor creating short magnetic pulses in the stator poles that turn the rotor. The capacitor is charged in one cycle and then drained in the next cycle. This process requires zero watts of power. When the AC source is portable the unused coil ends of the coil capacitor can possibly be used to provide DC feedback to source by using e.g. the upper circuit of figure 8. Reason for this is that the magnetic field of the rotor will charge the coil capacitor with like charge which creates time varying fields that pull in energy from the ambient energy field. When the stator coil capacitors are connected in series it is possible to use turn offset to improve energy pickup. In case you decide to try to close the loop make sure that the runaway condition is prevented. Square shaped AC signal creates stronger magnetic pulse than sine shaped AC signal and it is an option when using portable AC source.
 
It is possible to push in ten amperes of current from a 1.5 volt source in a coil capacitor system that has 100 ohm resistance if coils would be connected together. Normally this would require 1000 volts across the coil and use 10000 watts of power but with a coil capacitor based electromagnet below 15 watts are needed for the same job when using a DC motor and zero watts when using an induction motor. Electric motors require only the magnetic component and coil capacitors provide just that which makes them perfect for this job.
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To make the first step, can anyone provide information about capacitance of a reel of figure eight wire, either measurement or a formula that can be used to calculate it ?
 
Thanks for those links lancaIV, I will check them out.


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #132 on: October 05, 2017, 06:21:57 PM »
trying to replicate this and I thought bigger voltage means bigger gains. Bought this HB-C02 NST with 220VAC input and 3000V 30mA output in two wires.

How do I hook this into the paraller cap that is supposed to feed the spark and primary? I mean there is no center tap for the return wire :(

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« Reply #133 on: October 06, 2017, 07:19:10 PM »
Started my replication and wanted to test some stuff out. Got my slayer exciter running the blue primary with 15V DC. Secondary under the black tape feeds back into the circuit so it is always in resonance. Secondary voltages are way of my scope scale even with 10x probe.

Inside the secondary I got a soft iron bar and placed around it just 2 coils of magnet wire. One end of each coil going into full bridge rectifier inputs. Other ends of the coils are left hanging.

Got a 2000V 0,047 uF WIMA cap on the other side of that FBR. Measuring the cap gives me 30VDC. Attaching a 3V LED gives a faint glow on the LED shown in the image and the LED does not burn out. This means amps are really low.

So there is no spark gap or high voltage going into the coils AND I am not using cap-coils yet. I am going to move into that later. This is just making me think that is there a magical effect on the cap-coil or is it just magnetic coupling of coils like I have now? I mean adding more pickup coils allows me to pick up this magnetic effect multiple times, but we still need amps.

If we are really talking about some other form of energy then of course we do not want amps. I hope I can get into that tomorrow to verify bulbs lighting up with diodes in the output to stop any current


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #134 on: October 06, 2017, 10:49:45 PM »
Something I did not expect to see. Still same setup. Slayer exciter blasting primary and bottom of the secondary is feeding back into the circuit keeping it in resonance.

Top of the secondary is connected to a 90V gas discharge tube and the other end of the GDT is connected to one of the magnetic wire coils that was placed around the soft iron core. GDT is fully lit even there is no closed circuit. Well magnetically you could say it is closed...

So what I think this means is that I can use my slayer exciter to keep the driving part of the circuit in resonance automatically and then use the GDT to drive another "primary" coil. Then add those coil-capacitors as pickup coils.


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