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Author Topic: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor  (Read 29727 times)

Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #90 on: May 16, 2017, 01:39:32 PM »
Hi guys! Just let you know I have play a bit with the concept today. I try copper foil as a coil capacitor for the secondary But have not good output.

The best I have until now is with multi layer of bifilar open coil as the output.... more to come when the time permit!

Hope the best to all!


It was a good idea to test using insulated copper foils. There are some improvements that could be done to increase output power.
 
When copper foil is used to make a coil capacitor it is important to have many turns (or layers). When each layer is over previous layer the electric field between layers is increased. Doubling the amount of turns increases output power four times. Thickness of insulation that is used with the copper foil is directly related to available output power. Thin insulation increases and thick insulation decreases it. If you need more power then add more turns. From the pictures it appears that the copper foil you are using has insulation on both sides of copper. One layer could be removed to make more effective system, if possible. Distance between layers would be halved so output will increase four times. Adding these two improvements in the same system and output power will increase sixteen times compared to what you have now.
 
I realized why turn offset increases energy output: it does voltage pulsing! Now the test system becomes a lot easier to make as there is no need to use separate voltage pulser. I cannot imagine where to put charge collectors in this system so they can be left out. Take a plastic tube, use small diameter to get many turns but large enough so that you can put in any ferrite you have. This will be useful when tuning the system. Then tape one foil on the tube, second on top of first, then third and fourth layer. Now you have four stripes attached to tube and you can start winding them all at once and make a tight wrapping as you go. Take outputs from the start and end of wrapping from every foil. With four layers you can experiment with coil offset by cross connecting the layers so that you will have two segments for coil: layer 1 connected to layer 3 forms the first coil and layer 4 connected to layer 2 forms the second coil. On top of this coil capacitor you can make the Joule thief primary winding. In case you have only two copper sheets to work with then use only two layers, unless you are willing to cut one foil in two parts and connect it as shown in figure 3 of the pdf. Use of turn offset more or less doubles the output power. Using both outputs at the same time also doubles the output power. Adding all these together you would get 64 times more output power compared to what you get now.
 
One test could be to try tuning the Joule thief by moving the ferrite core and create a standing wave in the coil capacitor.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #91 on: May 16, 2017, 04:38:50 PM »
I have read a little of the document fast and it looks very good.
I would suggest to read also another document that can be complementary of Jacknoskills' one. If someone is interested in the second document, let me know it here and I will search and publish here the name of the document.

I am interested in the second document, please let me know were to get it !   ?

Jo


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2017, 04:22:54 AM »
I have the book in paper, so I don't have a link.
They are two books, called "Energy conserver theory" George Wiseman.  The book explains:
"Heat, light and magnetism are side affects of electron flow and do not 'consume' electricity." 'Electricity' is lost in conventional circuits when the source neutralizes itself (electron density equalizes)"
It explains more detailed than JackNoSkills pdf document and it explains very similar theories. Wiseman also explains about "electron density equalization".

Jo-EL:
Later the same day Magnethos posted that it turned out he was referring to two books so he did not have a document link.  If you want to have a better idea about what the books cover I found that George Wiseman uploaded free previews to his two books on Scribd, here are the links:
https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview 
https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview
« Last Edit: May 20, 2017, 08:26:01 AM by Reason1st »

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM »
test


Offline forest

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #94 on: May 21, 2017, 11:19:51 AM »
Jo-EL:
Later the same day Magnethos posted that it turned out he was referring to two books so he did not have a document link.  If you want to have a better idea about what the books cover I found that George Wiseman uploaded free previews to his two books on Scribd, here are the links:
https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview 
https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview


Very good theory. I agree and I could add that the source of energy is magnetic field - electrons are like little magnets and their magnetic momentum is what create macroscopic magnetic field which is the reason for heat,light, magnetism.


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #94 on: May 21, 2017, 11:19:51 AM »
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Offline Dog-One

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2017, 02:46:48 AM »
Got looking at Coil/Cap pancake coils and I decided to give you guys a treat:

Clockwise:  https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Tw78ZkFP

Counter-clockwise:  https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Ac7UB3fV

You can order these boards if you desire to look into how they perform.

The idea is these two boards are mirror images of each other, so you can place
a sheet of Mylar between them, grab five 10-32 nylon fasteners and test them out.

The turn count is pretty low, so the frequency of interest will probably be pretty
high.  Likely you'll want a fast MOSFET driver capable of fairly high voltage to
ping them with.  I'll have more stats about them once I progress a bit more.



Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #96 on: May 29, 2017, 02:49:07 PM »
Dog One, nice to see you are advancing. Don’t want to slow you down but maybe you could do a quick test with your solenoid setup ? The very first scope shot showed that with ferrite core in place the coil capacitor ring down was 86.1 kHz. Now you have this 100 kHz oscillator so you could tune the solenoid system up to 100 kHz frequency by moving the ferrite rod inside. Put blocking diodes before the load to make sure electrical loops are eliminated. You could also look at the voltage drop across load when diodes are in place. I think that there is no voltage drop, maybe this could be confirmed ? If no voltage drop then add capacitor parallel to load, now there should be voltage as the energy flow fills the capacitor with charge. If you can test this then you need to be very careful in case you achieve resonance. Safety first!
 
Capacitor behaves differently when it is connected to opposite endpoints of different wire compared to connection to same ends of different wire. When capacitor is connected to same ends it fills up until a certain level is reached. I could not study this any further without measuring equipment though. But capacitor and energy flow have interesting effects and deserve more attention.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline woopy

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #97 on: June 04, 2017, 07:09:37 PM »
Hi Jack and all

Here some progress and experiments

I decided to try a setup named sandwitch cap coil.

I based the idea on Jack's drawing on page 7 of the PDF.

So i wound a copper tape (6 mm wide ) in spiral along a 40 mm diameter cardboard tube. I could wind 64 turns ( 2 times 32 turns connected in the middle) to get the first secondary coil (the blue one on the PDF)
Then i wound an insulation transparent standard tape /scotch) all along the coil. This isolate and make a dielectric.

Then i wound  my red 0.4 mm (7 strands ) stranded copper wire exactly in the middle of the 6mm copper tape, so 64 turns. This wire will be the primary of the system. (see  picture 1)

Then i wound an other scotch tape to fix the red wire and isolate and make a second dielectric.

Then i wound exactly on top of the first spiral ,the upper sandwitch made of 2 time 32 turns with the 6 mm copper tape, but this time separated in the middle as per the red coil in the PDF.

Finally scotched all along to isolate the copper tape, connected the load as per the PDF et voila, (picture 2)

I have separated the 7 strand to have the possibility of different experiment, but for today i have used all the strands together, so i get a one to one ratio between primary and the pair secondary.

First results

I connected a battery bank of 83 volts pulsed on the primary (red wire) by  my mosfet activated by my  555 timer at about 15 % duty cycle and 200 kHz cycle frequency. And the load is a 3.5 incandescent bulb.

So as you can see on picture 3, on the left , the scope probe are connected on the primary (red wire), we clearly see the pulse at the beginning of the cycle. During the pulse, due to the high frequency, and short duty cycle, the voltage trace (yellow) is not square but more a M shape and the voltage is far less than the nominal  83 volts. The current (blue trace)  is a positive peak.
 At the end of the pulse, both voltage and current trace, spike negatively and then the voltage trace rebounce strongly positive (much higher than the M value ), before ringing down to the next pulse ?

On picture 3 on the right, the probes are connected to the load (bulb), and this time we don't see the pulse at the beginning of the cycle, but then we see strong current oscillations (blue trace) and very low voltage oscillations ??.

Voila, no claim here, but lot of questions , what is this current oscillations on the load , why is the voltage so low in a 1 to 1 ratio, why don't we see the pulse trace on the load etc..

For info i have already smoked 5 bulbs, 1 volmeter, 1 mosfet, have tried already some different load (led , 220 volts bulbs, 12 volts bulb, each time with very different results, but a common feature is  the big difference between the voltage and current traces on the primary and the secondary pair cap coil.

A lot of fun with this setup

Hope this helps

Laurent

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #98 on: June 08, 2017, 10:16:50 PM »
So no comments on the scope traces i have posted ??


Laurent

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #99 on: June 08, 2017, 10:43:23 PM »
Hi Woopy,

You have two channel O-scope shots.  Please tell us which is the input and which is the output?  Thanks.

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Offline woopy

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #100 on: June 09, 2017, 08:32:00 AM »
Hi Woopy,

You have two channel O-scope shots.  Please tell us which is the input and which is the output?  Thanks.

Hi Dansway

the left shot is the the voltage (yellow)and current (blue) on the primary coil which is the "exciter " coil or as you ask the input.
the right shot is the voltage (yellow) and the current(blue) on the lightbulb, or better said,  on the open secondaries coils or the output.

Laurent

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #101 on: June 09, 2017, 03:53:28 PM »
Hi Woopy,

Thanks.   Very interesting! 
Here's a thought: Open ended coil "layers" tightly coupled are right angles (orthogonal etc.)?


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #102 on: June 09, 2017, 04:06:58 PM »
Bonjour Laurent,

What are you using (in/out) to measure the current?

Interesting

Luc

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #103 on: June 09, 2017, 05:04:57 PM »
Hi Luc

the current is measured across a 1 ohm resistor which should be non inductive. I have made myself the resistor with 12 cm straight heating wire (taken out of a air heater).

As i have only 2 channel on my scope, i measured first the voltage and current on the primary (exciter) coil, and then i put the probes for voltage and current on the 2 opened secondary coils directly on the bulb. That's why there is 2 pictures.

Hi Dansway

can you precise your idea or make a drawing please
Thank's

Laurent


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #104 on: June 09, 2017, 05:22:06 PM »
Okay, thanks for the information Laurent.
So if I understand correctly, the primary is the strands of wire and the secondary is the copper foil tape... is this correct?


Luc

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