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Author Topic: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor  (Read 22657 times)

Offline SkyWatcher123

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2017, 07:38:35 AM »
Hi all, not sure if this is anything expected, i placed a 6.6 nano farad, non polarized, 600 volt capacitor across the ends of the open ended coil strands of the second layer.
Used the first bifilar layer as a joule thief oscillator.
Then connected the other coil ends to a non-modified led bulb.
With the oscillator running with no led bulb or load, amperage is 200 milliamps, using 11.9 volt input.
With the led bulb as load, amperage is 190 milliamps and led bulb is lighted brightly.
When i short circuit the wires that previously were across the led bulb, the amperage drops to 100 milliamps.
Seems interesting, maybe.
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Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2017, 11:53:46 AM »
I like the Joule Thief circuit because of its simplicity. Revisited the specs (PJK’s chapter 5) and realized that this circuit can be used to control the voltage and frequency of the pulse. Take the basic joule thief circuit as a base and modify it to make a FLEET device which has plastic ring core and bifilar pick up coil (without output diode). The amount of turns in the bifilar pick up coil controls the voltage of the pulse and the amount of turns in the bifilar primary controls the frequency of the pulses. It was evident from the pdf that when inductance goes down the frequency goes up, just compare the frequencies achieved with and without ferrite core. It is best to first wind the bifilar pick up coil using fine enameled wire and then the bifilar primary coil on top of it, insulated wire can be used for this. This way it will easy to play with different frequencies by modifying the turn count and wire size of the primary. To me this sounds like a perfect solution for voltage pulsing experiments.
 
It would be nice to be able to make the oscillator a self running component. Wind a third coil in the same direction using enameled wire on top of the bifilar secondary coil so that there is strong capacitive effect between them. Also place the coil in the center to get good turn offset. Put AC capacitor in the end of third coil and in the joint of enameled bifilar coil. The beginning of third coil is left open so that it is a coil capacitor. Size of this AC capacitor can be used to limit the feedback power. Then add diode bridge to the AC capacitor and smooth it with another capacitor to get DC. When energy from the ambient flows it charges the capacitor and this can then be used for feedback. Add turns in the third coil until enough energy is collected to make a self running oscillator. Experimentation is needed here to find the best solution. I think that ambient energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed amount of coulombs regardless of capacitor size. So by making the capacitor smaller more energy will be stored in it according to capacitor equations.
 
Still moving on with the design, the output power needs to be controlled safely. Frequency of the pulses can be changed using variable capacitor that drives the transistor. This would enable tuning in case resonance effects are found. If resonance is not needed then this control can be omitted. Second controller could be added to control the current in the primary of the oscillator, a variable resistor maybe. This would control the voltage of the oscillator pulse, a sort of throttle. It is easier to control the output power in the low power oscillator side than on the high power output side. Don’t ask for schematics, just proposing some ideas here for further development.
 
It is possible that with voltage pulsing core is not necessary, so it would be good to be able to test the collector with and without core.
 
Joule thief based voltage pulser can be changed easily into AEC by using blocking diodes. Add them in every coil end. Connect the diodes in the middle joint together and then to capacitor so that the feedback remains. Its power output will most likely change though. Connect load to output normally, or convert it to DC using the method already described. With blocking diodes in place the charge is contained within the coils. Now you can experiment with resonance if you can alter the frequency of the oscillations. You need to figure out how to modify the joule thief so that frequency sweeping is possible.
 
Connect the voltage pulser to your coil capacitor system. Is it possible to create a standing wave in the secondary of the pulsed system using voltage pulsing ? If yes, then is it possible to create a standing wave in the primary coil capacitor and in the secondary coil capacitor at the same time ? Output power then proportional to frequency squared ?
With this test all the coils in the pulsed system must be of exactly same length. The coil capacitor that is used as primary must be connected with series capacitors to the pulser output so that coil length does not change. Is one quarter rule applicable here, primary coil capacitor one quarter of the length of the secondary coil capacitor ? Does it matter which way the voltage pulser is connected to the pulsed system ? Method that is known to work is to connect pulser output to opposite ends of different wire. What happens when pulser output is connected to same ends of different wire ? These tests can be done quickly using signal generator and a scope. If results are positive then modify the Joule thief based voltage pulser to get voltage pulses at the correct frequency and use it instead of signal generator.
 
 When there is parallel capacitor in the output side it will prevent coil frying and I believe that then there is no need to use safety spark gap. But this is untested at the moment so better to start with parallel capacitor and safety spark. If the spark does not fire then it can be removed.[/font]


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2017, 06:42:42 PM »
Hi all, here is the circuit drawing of the experiment i am testing.
The no load amperage changed from last night to today, now there is no change, it stays the same, though the shorted amperage is still 100 milliamps.
Here is circuit.
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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #78 on: May 08, 2017, 08:14:54 AM »
Hi Jack!

You seem to be right. I have do some more quick testing and am able to charge a capacitor beside the blocking diode at the open end of the primary. Much more interesting, I find I could charge ( at the same rate) 2 separate circuits from this open secondary!! :o All that with no apparent effect on the input power...

I don't quite understand how it really work but it does. Power input seem not to be important here... Until now I find just voltage and frequency have effect.

Here are some picture of my test.

maybe we can do the same with the secondary...

ps all my coil are bifilar.
Thank you! :)


Another cool discovery wistiti! Energy flows in from the tip and when extended with capacitor it is charged with like charge. FWRB then makes the charge to move and ground connection enhances this. Couple of tests needed to learn more about what is going on here.
 
Can you replace ground connection with floating ground like metal plate, piece of wire or even hand ?
 
Change the value of capacitor to a smaller value. If output increases then it means that energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed amount of charge. If output decreases then energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed density of charge. I think there are two cases here. When AC capacitor is connecting coil capacitor ends it gets filled with fixed amount of charge. So smaller capacitor gives out more energy. When capacitor is connected to one end only more charge appears the larger the surface area. Coaxial cable at free end could be better than plain capacitor as there is more surface area in it.
 
Back to capacitor at free end with one end grounded. Purpose of this test is to check if diode bridge is needed. Both capacitor plates are charged with like charge so diodes that enter negative terminal of the bridge can be removed. Does this still work ? If yes, then the other two diodes can also be replaced with wire so the capacitor plates are now shorted and connected through load to ground. Does this work ?
 
Replace the capacitor with coaxial cable but connect it to both free ends of the coil capacitor. Do this so that two different layers from opposite ends of the coax are connected to two free ends of the coil capacitor (blocking diodes still in place). Leave other ends of coax unconnected so that capacitor is formed. Now you can take charge that appears on the coax from the joints and connect them through load to ground. Use diodes depending how the diode test went. Hopefully no diodes are needed.
 
If all went well, then perhaps entire coil capacitor system could be built using one multilayer high voltage coaxial cable. Two layers closest to each other are voltage pulsed and the two layers are used as charge collectors. The innermost layer can perhaps be used as floating ground.
 
Skywatcher, now you have electric loop. Put blocking diodes before the load to get rid of it: --<-- load -->-- . Shorted output should then have no effect on source. Can you estimate frequency of pulses and voltage ? Maybe you can try this circuit for voltage pulsing ?


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #79 on: May 08, 2017, 12:48:00 PM »
Skywatcher, better to put blocking diodes at every coil end. Then you will have a baseline version which you can compare your modifications against. wistiti discovered voltage pulsing when Joule thief pulsed a different system. You could test what happens when all the coils are on the same core. So third bifilar winding is needed for this test. Connect the second layer as normal bifilar and connect it to third layer which is coil capacitor, see wistiti’s drawings in I am unclear. This forms the voltage pulser. Then use fourth layer coil capacitor for pick up and put blocking diodes in place and connect to load. When all coils are on the same core, the Joule thief will kick every coil and the voltage pulser will kick some more. What would happen in this case I have no idea. If this is a working setup then you can vary the frequency by using fifth layer as Joule thief primary. You can easily experiment with different amount of turns when the Joule thief primary is on top. I hope I was making sense.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #80 on: May 08, 2017, 03:09:26 PM »
Thank you Jack for your reply!

Im thinking to try your concept for winding a generator... Im thinking to replace all the original winding of a generator by bifilar coil and leave it open end and just connect the output to the other open legs... What you think of it?

sincerly!

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2017, 07:07:32 PM »
It;s interesting to try all kinds if variations, even if the increasing complexity of interaction becomes unhandy at some point. Personally I would rather try to isolate the anomaly as much as possible in order to understand and ultimatively use it.


First:
Is the energy consumption of the basic model WITHOUT ANY LOAD about the same as in a standard transformer without any load?


Second:
When adding a load, does energy consumption rise, sink or remain the same?


If there is indication that it consumes more than just standart losses without a load, then this is a dead end like angus mcwangus (or however)' PMH bucking coils.


Even tho we do not "transport" any electrons trough this OEPC open ends pickup coil, we still cause a reactive magnetic field (although nonlinearly sweeping) and this field brings the primary in phase, which then consumes energy.


However, I'm just going trough the options. But, as none responded to my previous postings in this thread, I must assume there's no sense in writeing further. This is no touchy bs, it's just pointless to keep on talking to a group that does not react, right?


I thank you Jack for publishing these findings, which I keep on experimenting with, although without blog or so.
kr

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2017, 07:24:59 PM »
Hi dieter
are you saying you have test it??
If so why you don't share your results?

Thank's

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2017, 07:59:57 PM »
I did, but it's ok.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2017, 08:10:06 PM »
Hi dieter,
Sorry for my dumb question...! :(
I have just give a look back at the tread and see your work... ???

What your conclusion so far with your research on it?

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2017, 09:33:11 PM »
Testing and experimenting is all that matters. Definitely something here..  I just burnt my primary.  Before i destroyed coil i can tell you lamp burnt for a short time with such beautiful glow that i can only describe in religious therms,, Angelic,, LOL.. so soft so pure and white, fascinating. My voltage was to high,, bummer. I was looking for nice low voltage resonator and resurrected my old project. After some measurments we can clearly see what resonace can do. Lamp is LED 110 v ac not modified and is running half intensity on differential of only 4 milliamps.  It can be seen that unloaded resonator consumes much more power that when limp is running. Going to try to repeat results with lower voltages. I am using stack of ferrite rings and going to adopt resonator to try it. See short video attached.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6j8h1-aRBY


David.


quote author=wistiti link=topic=17119.msg506201#msg506201 date=1494264299]
Hi dieter
are you saying you have test it??
If so why you don't share your results?

Thank's

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #86 on: May 09, 2017, 12:41:51 PM »
When coil capacitor ends that have blocking diodes are connected to a capacitor, both capacitor plates are filled with like charge. Closer the plates are together more energy it will contain (Coulomb’s law). This makes me think that AC capacitor that has large capacitance but low voltage rating is the best option for a charge collector. Maybe DC capacitors could be used as well, pluses connected to coil ends and minuses connected together and to ground then load between plus and minus poles. One option, might be less effective.
 
Induction by oscillating magnetic field (current pulsing) fills the coil with charge and charge is packed towards coil end. Voltage is developed between coil ends. When this occurs in a coil capacitor it pulls in energy that has more density than volume. Energy flows horizontally in a solenoid coil. I have observed this in my tests. Adding turns in the coil capacitor made the white spark longer but thickness remained the same. Induction by oscillating electric field (voltage pulsing) fills the coil evenly with charge, volume of charge increases. When this occurs in a coil capacitor it pulls in energy that has more volume than density. Energy flows vertically in a solenoid. This case I have not been able to test, so theory at the moment. When both induction methods are applied to same coil at the same time we get both charge volume and charge density in the coil. When this lump of charge is oscillating in a coil capacitor it will pull in energy from the ambient that also has volume and density and its ability to fill charge collector is increased.
 
Now we can capture horizontal energy flow in a charge collector by adding capacitor to coil end where the energy comes in. Vertically flowing energy flows through the entire length of the solenoid. How to capture it in a charge collector ? Capacitor needs to extend all over the solenoid so a normal capacitor cannot be used. This gave me prototype area of a simple system.
 
Take plastic tube, diameter large enough so that you can put in ferrite to test with and without core and perhaps try resonance testing. Wind one layer of aluminum foil on it, insulate layer, then another foil and insulate it. Wind it as tight as possible to get good Coulomb effect. Add leads in both ends so you can test capacitor from opposite ends and same ends. This forms the charge collector. Next three layers of bifilar windings using enameled wire (fine gauge) all over the tube. One layer is Joule thief primary, second layer is joule thief step up and third is the voltage pulser. Add the aluminum capacitor to voltage pulser coil that has diodes in place. See wistiti’s drawings for connections if unclear. Now you can test several things in one build. For example, vary which layer is the joule thief primary and which is step up etc. Measure capacitance of the aluminum capacitor and use similar capacity plain capacitor instead. Resonance testing by sliding ferrite core inside the tube. Plenty of variations to test, should be interesting.
 
wistiti, I did not quite understand what you meant. Try the capacitor tests if possible before advancing. This way we can learn more of the behavior of capacitors as charge collectors.
 
dieter, your work is valuable. This is open source development, everyone does what he pleases and best solutions will come out eventually.
 
danas, good work!


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2017, 12:43:38 PM »
To avoid any misunderstandings I made schematic of the prototype test device to experiment with vertical energy flow. There is diode bridge as a rectifier, might not be required but I put it since it is known to work at the moment. Also known is that ground improves output, floating ground might also work but it is not tested yet. If there is resonance it occurs in the joule thief secondary and voltage pulse coil, together they form one four units long solenoid. Moveable ferrite core should help in finding the sweet spot. Pick up coil capacitor winding is wound on top. There are blocking diodes in the coil ends so coil pair is in parallel. This results in a coil pair that has length of one unit so quarter wave relationship exists between primary and this pick up. The output marked as ‘Load’ has pure energy and ‘DC Load’ has hot electricity. There is safety air gap as we don’t know what to expect. If you start using 1.5 volt joule thief circuit then this should be safe to experiment with.
 
 If two layers of bifilar windings are added then turn offset optimization can be tested, see figure 6 in the pdf on page 2 how to connect layered coils.[/font]


Second joule thief primary can be wound over all coils to experiment with higher voltage pulses. This will replace the first joule thief winding.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #88 on: May 12, 2017, 10:49:35 AM »
To avoid any misunderstandings I made schematic of the prototype test device to experiment with vertical energy flow. There is diode bridge as a rectifier, might not be required but I put it since it is known to work at the moment. Also known is that ground improves output, floating ground might also work but it is not tested yet. If there is resonance it occurs in the joule thief secondary and voltage pulse coil, together they form one four units long solenoid. Moveable ferrite core should help in finding the sweet spot. Pick up coil capacitor winding is wound on top. There are blocking diodes in the coil ends so coil pair is in parallel. This results in a coil pair that has length of one unit so quarter wave relationship exists between primary and this pick up. The output marked as ‘Load’ has pure energy and ‘DC Load’ has hot electricity. There is safety air gap as we don’t know what to expect. If you start using 1.5 volt joule thief circuit then this should be safe to experiment with.
 
 If two layers of bifilar windings are added then turn offset optimization can be tested, see figure 6 in the pdf on page 2 how to connect layered coils.[/font]


Second joule thief primary can be wound over all coils to experiment with higher voltage pulses. This will replace the first joule thief winding.


 Added diodes according to wistiti’s drawings to make the schematic more complete. Output labeled ‘FB’ is for feedback to oscillator. Before closing the loop consider what happens to your oscillator if voltage changes from 1.5 V to 12 V. If voltage pulse increases then result is a runaway and something will break. Series capacitor connected directly to ground is a simpler option but since it is untested at the moment I left it out.[/font]
 In the ‘DC Load’ side the charge collector plates are most likely unevenly loaded with charge. Connecting them through diodes to load to ground could be a working solution. But untested so I left it out also.[/font]


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2017, 05:57:03 AM »
Hi guys! Just let you know I have play a bit with the concept today. I try copper foil as a coil capacitor for the secondary But have not good output.

The best I have until now is with multi layer of bifilar open coil as the output.... more to come when the time permit!

Hope the best to all!

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