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Author Topic: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor  (Read 28295 times)

Offline Reason1st

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2017, 05:57:56 AM »
Jack:
Thanks for sharing your work and effort, it is very interesting and very much appreciated.  Since you are not able to view Woopy's video, here is a summary of his air coil and pulse circuit.  I also included attachments of some images I captured from Woopy's video in case you are able to view them.  I hope this is helpful in addition to Woopy's comments.

Air Coil: 78cm x 61cm, 7 windings, 23 turns each, 0.4mm
Pulse: 58VDC, 60mA, 6.3KHz, 16% duty cycle (555 timer circuit with IRF840A MOSFET)
Primary: 1 winding (wire# 0)
Coil capacitor (6 windings):
  Plate 1: 3 windings connected to load at one end and open on the other end (wire# 1, 2, 3)
  Plate 2: 3 windings connected to load at one end and open on the other end (wire# 4, 5, 6)
Load: 6V lamp (with 4 ohm series monitor resistor) connected across coil capacitor from plate 1 to plate 2
Note: Woopy's video shows that the 6V lamp dims and the primary current increases to 90mA when the open ends of the coil capacitor are shorted together to create a transformer.

Woopy:
Thank you also for the replication work that you shared and for all of your other work and effort that you share.

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Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2017, 12:15:45 PM »
dieter:
just keep on winding on top of previous layer, nothing special is required here.
 
danas:
I cut 8 mm coil former from a transformer into four pieces. Then just taped two pieces on the toroid. Purpose of coil former is to simply keep the wires close to each other when they go through toroid. Winding takes time though, at least one hour per 10 meters.


Offline Dog-One

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2017, 02:48:18 AM »
Got a nudge to look into this a bit more, so I wound some coils on a 50mm form
which I have a bunch of.  My question is whether it can or does make a difference
if I put the primary inside the secondary or should it be wrapped/formed around
the outside?

Specs:
  I used #24 magnetic wire with about 110 turns on each section.  Winding a
bifilar pair in two sections this way is pretty straightforward and I was able to
keep the pairs tight.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 08:08:17 AM by Dog-One »

Offline teslonian

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2017, 07:01:36 AM »

Wow, I want to make one now. What is it? I mean I know what it is, I've seen some coils like that somewhere before sprinkled through out the internet but couldn't understand the workings of it completely. I've read Jack's PDF file and I think I  am getting an understanding of it now, intuitively it makes sense with the whole charge and Coulomb density thing going on there.

Where can I obtain a Gas Discharge Tube at?


Offline Dog-One

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2017, 08:06:09 AM »
Where can I obtain a Gas Discharge Tube at?

https://www.digikey.com/products/en/circuit-protection/gas-discharge-tube-arresters-gdt/142

24 volts all the way to 8500 volts.  Should be able to choose a lower voltage and stack
them in series as needed to avoid buying a bunch of different sizes.  Once you have
something tuned in pretty nice, then I suppose you could order just the exact size you
need.

BTW, http://www.amazing1.com/ has all sorts of parts that may be useful for this project.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline dieter

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2017, 11:56:04 AM »
Before I start a new test I have to find a toroid core somehow. I currently can't spend money for this so I'm looking around for a subsitute. Maybe somebody else around here has an idea about what could be used as a toroid core substitute at low or no costs? thx.
kr

Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2017, 12:56:30 PM »

Note: Woopy's video shows that the 6V lamp dims and the primary current increases to 90mA when the open ends of the coil capacitor are shorted together to create a transformer.


This was good and informative result. I will try to explain it briefly here though it is in the pdf. Before the wires are connected the oscillating magnetic field that occurs outside the wire is pulling in the energy from ambient. This magnetic field that is created by oscillating electric field disappears when the electric field disappears. When the wires are connected together it creates electric current in a closed loop circuit and the electric field is gone. Hence direct energy flow from the ambient ends and you get normal transformer behavior instead.

dieter:
I forgot to answer your coiling question. Think in terms of polarities. There is no energy flow between wire ends of different coils that have the same polarity, unless there is a short circuit. I am sure any kind of winding will work. Highest electric field is created when you simply keep the winding direction the same all the time. Turn offset will increase the electric field and adding layers will do the same. The more turns the output coil pair has the more it can pull from the ambient. Resonance will possibly improve this so that the amount of turns can be reduced significantly.

danas:
woopy used about 70 meters of wire as primary, 58 volt pulse at 6.3 kHz and air core. If you can use similar pulsing frequency then one option would be to make your first system by winding the coils around the circumference of the toroid. Ten meters of 0.3 enameled wire will fit nicely around the M-088 and I believe it is more than enough as a primary coil. If you can use a coil former then you can easily test your system with and without core.

Capacitance between output coils would be useful information in any replication.

Higher voltage GDTs generate less heat than several low voltage GDTs in series. You could also use open air gaps as a starting point.

It should not matter where the primary is wound with respect to secondary.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline Dog-One

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2017, 01:56:42 PM »
A capacitor that charges itself up from a magnetic impulse.

That's the coolest thing I have ever seen.  WooHoo!

Boy, I don't know how or why the gatekeepers let you slip through the crack Jack,
but the genie is out of the bottle now.

Muchas gracias.

Offline wistiti

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2017, 05:13:18 AM »
Before I start a new test I have to find a toroid core somehow. I currently can't spend money for this so I'm looking around for a subsitute. Maybe somebody else around here has an idea about what could be used as a toroid core substitute at low or no costs? thx.
kr

Hi Dieter,
Maybe you can find a tv ferrite yoke for free...
It may be a good core for this project. One other great thing is they usually came with lots on magnet wire! ;)

Dog-one, i understand you have replicate it. Can i ask you what you use for the oscillation or the primary? Thanks!

I have not much spare time righ now but I will replicate this for sure!

Offline Dog-One

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2017, 08:51:50 PM »
Dog-one, i understand you have replicate it. Can i ask you what you use for the oscillation or the primary? Thanks!

Nothing fancy, just the basics.

*  NST rectified with about 51 nF of capacitance
*  Primary is just turns of 14 gauge solid wire on a smaller former placed inside the output coil
*  In the middle of the primary is the open air spark gap

The lamp does glow, not bright and is well under unity at the moment.
The ferrite rods must be inserted to get any glow.


At the point where I'm at, the concept looks sound to me.  The main issue I think I'm
having in achieving higher output is the magnetic flux of the primary.  I think the magnetic
field is mostly circulating the wire and not spreading out into the output coil where the
disturbance is needed.  Adding the ferrite rods helps enough to get the lamp to glow.


So my thinking is that I need a way to better get the magnetic field to interact with
the output coil.  Nelson and Evostars probably have the answer by using pancake coils.
With the concept Jack has shared here, using pancake coils would allow the coils to
be placed closely together and since the output coil is non-reactive, the primary would
never see it.  Based on what Jack has mentioned, several pancake style output coils
could be stacked on the primary (both sides), each driving some load.  Too bad standard
induction hobs don't use rapid high voltage pulsed drivers, else we be in business just
using that as our primary and driver system.  Maybe the driver could be tweaked enough
to do what we want for this application...?   :-\  Might be worth a look.

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Offline wistiti

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2017, 09:33:54 PM »
Ok, Thank you for the reply!
As i see it you only have one layer of output coil... do im right? Maybe much more length/turn of the secondary is better... Anyway i will share my results as soon as i have the time to play with it.
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Offline Dog-One

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2017, 09:53:15 PM »
As i see it you only have one layer of output coil... do im right? Maybe much more length/turn of the secondary is better...

Yes, single layer on everything.

There's a lot of variables at play here.  It's standard engineering optimization.  One has
to pick what to improve to make the overall system performance the best they can given
the restrictions of the interacting variables.  I didn't do any of that.  I only put the concept
into physical form to see it manifest itself, which it does.  The lamp glows, connected to
a broken coil that has an impedance of infinity.  My 40+ years of electronics says this
isn't normal behavior.  So with a few new tools in my toolbox, lets see what can be done
with fewer restrictions.


Offline Dog-One

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2017, 12:19:29 AM »
As you can see in the scopeshot below, sparks happen at about 73Hz where the
coil ring-down (resonant) is around 86kHz.  Voltage is off the scale--I'm surprised
I haven't smoked my scope with only a 10x probe setting.  Good thing this type
of electrical energy carries no current with it.

What's really amazing is thinking in terms of duty cycle.  The impulse lasts maybe
30us with a duration between pulses of 14 ms, giving us a duty cycle of ~ 0.3%
and yet it still makes the lamp glow with no resonant rise at all.  Pretty amazing
if you ask me.

Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2017, 01:06:35 PM »
dogone, great that you have working setup at your hands. Fun times ahead.
You can increase output power by using the dual output feature. Move the unconnected ends close to each other so that you get the white spark. I did not test this serially but it should work. Most likely the voltage waveform you showed in the scope remains unchanged.
Coil ringdown occurs at 86 kHz, does this frequency change if core is removed ? Is the ringdown time longer without core ?[size=78%] [/size]
Can you pulse this at resonant frequency with signal generator (no capacitor spark needed) ? Could be that longer primary coil is needed when there is no capacitor to boost the pulse. But nature will take care of it in the form of back-EMF when longer primary coil is used.


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2017, 11:08:05 PM »
Hi all

just a test with a Bug zapper 3 volts on my EASTER COIL and a LED 220 volt

No claim here simply interesting results

good night at all

https://youtu.be/AXGHWdYDYO0

Laurent


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