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Author Topic: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor  (Read 29925 times)

Offline dieter

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2017, 05:50:31 AM »
Oh BTW, rather interesting sparkgap feature I observed recently, when the two electrodes a the gap were just some thin wires: when the spark bridged the gap, somehow both electrodes became positive and therefor repelled eachother, and due to the flexible wire, the distance increased, which stopoed the spark. The wire was vibrating, and in that mode it worked for many hours, which is rather uncommon, almost like with a self-adjustent.
Maybe it was just coincedence that the wire had the right elasticity for this effect,ut it might be a way to quench the spark in a selfsynchronizing way.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2017, 01:38:09 PM »
Woopy has made a successful replication and posted an excellent video on the previous page of this thread.


I thougth I mention it, as some of you may have missed it.


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2017, 03:40:00 PM »
Woopy's work here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEaDoVnibj8&feature=youtu.be

Jack's work also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

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Who was Alexander Chernetsky and his plasma generator 1982 decided. He managed to light bulbs from a coil and a capacitor too! Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2017, 08:53:16 PM »
Thanks also from me for your contributions.


I have made a quick test with the coil shown before. I have to say I'm bad in replications and the setup is far from ideal.


I had a sparkplug where Jack has the GDT. My primary was wound over the secondarie(s).


I guess the sparkgap was about 1mm or 1000vdc, which gave about 20Hz trough the 1.8 Ohm dcR coil.


No lightbulb was lit (220V, 12V car), then I tried a LED, blue 3V 100mA. It was lit a little bit, maybe 1 or 2 mA.


Unlike in Jacks and Laurents tests, the LED became brighter when I closed the two open coil ends.


By varying the sparkgap size I noticed, that the LED increased in brightness when the frequency was increased, despite the voltage going down. It seemed the output is less dependent on orimary voltage than on frequency. Also, the about 1.2 to 1 ratio of turns should have given 1000V output, but the LED wasn't destroyed.


It may be, may setup is highly inefficient in terms of basic induction, so the output current is so low that the LED can settle the voltage down.


Very interesting was the blocking diode test. I tested a LED and a schottky diode in series, one time >> and one time ><. Both times the LED was lit the same. Schottky diodes are fast, so the actual energy transfer must be very short.


So I have a current at the load, with an open coil, but in this inefficient setup only a few. I'll try to make a better test.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2017, 08:58:18 PM »
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Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!

Unfortunately even Frolov wasn't able to replicate Chernetskiy plasma generator - and he had undoubtedly better info about his setup than we have.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2017, 12:38:03 AM »
Who was Alexander Chernetsky and his plasma generator 1982 decided. He managed to light bulbs from a coil and a capacitor too! Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!


Regards AG


Just curious... why did you said this device are the same....???
For me they are different...

Anyway, open bifilar (and bucking) coils at the output; really interesting...
Thank you Jack for sharing your works! It's remind me Skywatcher experiment at energetic forum "bucking cool inverter" when he/she said to have a working load with open bucking secondary....

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2017, 08:04:38 AM »

dieter and woopy, thanks for your successful replications. Now you both have a working base setup and from now on every test gives you a win-win result.


You have confirmed several things: this works with any core material and with an open loop core. Increasing the frequency increases the available output power and using mosfets instead of GDTs works too. Good stuff!


dieter, closing the other end of the output coil pair will increase the output power as both outputs are being used and connected in series. But there needs to be blocking diodes or a gap between the load and at least one output coil end. Without them the system becomes a normal transformer which might provide more power but only because the used pulsing frequency is low.


woopy, I am surprised that you got it working using air coil and without resonance. I am unable to watch your video so I don’t know the details of the setup, like the frequency you were using. Perhaps you could try to create a standing wave in your system and maybe increase the output this way.


nelsonrocha, as this works with aircore coil, maybe you could test this using your bifilar pancake coil ? You need to use blocking diodes or air gaps at the output. If you can create the basic effect then you could try to create a standing wave in the output coil and test for resonance effects.


The output power increases linearly as the pulsing frequency is increased. This is similar to a Don Smith device. Don Smith also said that at resonance the output power increases as square of frequency. What if this ‘law of squares’ rule is valid also with this system ?


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2017, 01:01:29 PM »

Can anyone confirm my observation that there is no current flowing through the load using a scope and a current probe ?


I propose three tests:


Use blocking diodes at one end and leave the other end disconnected. Put load between diodes and measure voltage drop across load and current through it. Both should be zero.


Next add blocking diodes also at the disconnected end and connect diodes together. Power should increase as both outputs are now being used serially but still no voltage drop across load and no current should flow.


Last remove the diodes you just added and just connect the wires together. Result is a normal bifilar coil with blocking diodes on it. Is there any difference in the result ?


Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2017, 01:16:38 PM »
Unfortunately even Frolov wasn't able to replicate Chernetskiy plasma generator - and he had undoubtedly better info about his setup than we have.
What if I told you your arse was your elbow and I was senior dean at Oxford University !
the point is your all hot air and you do not do any hardware experiments and all your comments are 'negative' so go away, you have not done the experiment so you have no hardware result to show but you are advising others!

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2017, 03:00:08 PM »
Stefan while back  kindly shared  some prescious  pages from book by Chernetski with english translations.  they had copyright by Stefan OU.com  1999 from memory.

While he did work on plasmatrons but did not invent them as they say on the net, he also achieved OU with simple two electrode discharge tubes with low pressure hydrogen. A large current of 100A/sqmm is needed for the OU.  Its not the gentle glow tube on the famous youtube video, thats just some prop for the video. On that documentary, the scientist there made it seem that Chernetskii had something. But later, on a web page,  the same scientist guy said that he replicated the experiment many many times , using Chernetskiis notes and came to the conclusion that Chernetskii made errors with phase angles of currents vs voltages {power factors} when he worked out the power and there in no OU.   Whose telling fibs I wonder.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2017, 06:30:00 PM »

Considering i have same toroidal core you used it would be ease for me to setup and try what you propose. I do have slight problem. To clalify in your PDF you said: First coil was winded on an 8 mm wide coil former. I used layered coils on a coil former because it is more effective than layered around the whole core.[/size] [/size]My question is and pardon my inability to comprehend, how do [/size][size=78%]your toroidal core as a close unit interact with this bobbin.[/size] Please clarify. Winding on toroid is long process and if you have simpler method i would like to use it. In my experience simply having bobbin on top of toroid did not give good results. Simple hand drawing of setup would help. [/size]
Thank you in advance.
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Can anyone confirm my observation that there is no current flowing through the load using a scope and a current probe ?


I propose three tests:


Use blocking diodes at one end and leave the other end disconnected. Put load between diodes and measure voltage drop across load and current through it. Both should be zero.


Next add blocking diodes also at the disconnected end and connect diodes together. Power should increase as both outputs are now being used serially but still no voltage drop across load and no current should flow.


Last remove the diodes you just added and just connect the wires together. Result is a normal bifilar coil with blocking diodes on it. Is there any difference in the result ?


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2017, 08:19:39 PM »
Hi all, Hi wistiti,

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Anyway, open bifilar (and bucking) coils at the output; really interesting...
Thank you Jack for sharing your works! It's remind me Skywatcher experiment at energetic forum "bucking cool inverter" when he/she said to have a working load with open bucking secondary....
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Yes, it was a joule thief oscillator, with bucking coil secondaries on ferrite tube core.
The coils were facing each other and only one wire from each coil was connected to non-modified led bulb load.
Other than that, the coils were not connected, so open circuit, electrical wiring wise.
peace love light

Offline dieter

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2017, 11:17:56 PM »
@Jack, I think Woopy mentioned 1.6 kHz or something like that, with a 58V pulse, iirc.


I'd have to compare closed (torus or CI) and open core with similar coils to find out whether it makes a big diffrence, as I understand a closed core maintains its magnetism after a pulse, like the Leedskalnin PMH, whereas a simple bar core has so much leakage that it relaxes its magnetic domains rather instantly.


I literarly wound a double helix as termed un your pdf, the 1st half CW and the second half (qmwith the 50 turn offset) ontop CCW. This always results in imperfect fit and undesired gaps. I was thinking it may be better to wind both CW and then just reverse the polarity of one, what do you think?


I also think that when we consider the max output as the amount of loose electrons available in the copper (as there is no flow, only stress), a secondary with many layers and copper will deliver much more current on the same principle, although the timing must be diffrent. With 100 turns, the stress unstress bouncing is so fast, that it even passes a schottky diode both ways, we're dealing with nanoseconds here. With a bigger coil that may not work, but that doesn't matter.


I did not dare to connect my digital meter, because I fried the AC section in a similar experiment with a moskito killer transformer. But based on experience with this LED I had an idea about the output.


So ATM I would suggest not to use a solid iron or steel core, but a laminated or better nonconducting, like ferrite, torus or CI core.I'd also suggest not to use such plastic isolated wire for the primary.


I had to use what was at hand, but I'd suggest to stay close to Jacks setup and improve from there.


@Jack, how exactly would you wind a 10 layer output coil for the operation principle discussed here?
kr


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2017, 11:28:02 PM »
BtW. didn't do amp readings, for the reasons noted, but if you get zero amps, it may be the same effect like the schottky diode tunneling, as I would guess your scope tries to rectify before measuring. Then AC goes into a cap, resulting in zero.


Something really fast is going on here. Like I said, a schottky diodes lets current trough in the blocking direction only for the first few nanoseconds of any pulse.

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