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Author Topic: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor  (Read 55661 times)

Offline PolaczekCebulaczek

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #165 on: December 17, 2017, 11:21:51 PM »
back EMF from what? There has to be a break for back EMF to occur.

Maybe you could get that coil to charge capacitively, but why anything else should happen I don't see it

yeah i had problems with understanding this genesis contraption too, however AFAIK the author is trying to say that electrons (moving in coil) should "see" charges deposited on outer plate and thus a relative motion between them must cause magnetic field to "appear" around non inductive coil so its no loger non inductive and when current stops flowing this field collapses so self induction can occur.

I'm still trying to achieve that and nothing so far, if this would work than we would have a OU as hell!

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #166 on: December 23, 2017, 04:26:48 PM »
stupify12, your system is using electric current. Coil capacitor systems are using fields. Maybe you could change your system to be field based ? Wire you are using has thick insulation so result is not the best possible but maybe you can still see the white spark which is a sign of energy flow.
 
Laws that are valid in electric current based systems do not apply to electric field systems. You will not find any electrical laws about field systems from the textbooks (except Coulomb’s law) because field systems occur there only in theory e.g. potential or electrostatic theories. We must find these laws ourselves. For example, resistance, inductance and impedance do not appear with fields. You will also most likely not find anything about an oscillating electric field creating a magnetic field because it is the way to collect massive amounts of energy. I haven’t looked for it from the net but I observed the effect myself by accident which then resulted in the pdf after one year.
 
When the charge moves it always creates magnetic field and there is no way around that. You can try to cancel it by using e.g. caduceus windings but then you will also lose the power of it. Magnetic field makes movement in the energy field. When using a solenoid this movement occurs inside the core affecting to source and it is the reason for self inductance (energetic to electric induction occurs). When using fields this movement occurs outside the coil (and core) and it does not affect to source. This movement is energetic current without density. Electric field compresses the energy field resulting in energetic density but it does not create movement. When energetic current and energetic density are both present the induction effect will be much stronger. Both of these energetic components are possible to access simultaneously when using fields.
 
All you need to create this effect is four wires, capacitor, resonance and ground. One pair is primary coil capacitor (connect it like shown in figure 3, with or without turn offset) and another pair is the energy collecting coil capacitor. When the primary is pulsed with the resonant frequency of the energy collecting coil capacitor there will be massive energy flow having both energetic current and density present. This flow can then be used to induce charge in a charge collecting capacitor as it was explained in the pdf. The source is not affected by energetic to electric induction process. Purpose of the source is only to maintain the oscillating fields so that energy keeps on flowing.
 
Hopefully someone can soon do the test sequence using signal generator as described in the pdf and provide scope shots from impulse response and from resonant rise. Ten meters of wire has resonant frequency in the MHz range when coiled around air core tube, 10 MHz is typical. O.5 mm wire can charge a 20nf capacitor to a certain voltage which depends on the electric field potential squared. With 50% duty cycle without resonant rise 10 volts electric field potential is easy to achieve using signal generator. Now if that 20nf capacitor is charged twice every cycle to 100 volts then there will be plenty of hot electricity available. If resonant rise can be achieved there will be energy abundance. Think one hundred million COP and be careful when you run tests.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #167 on: December 23, 2017, 05:31:18 PM »
stupify12, your system is using electric current. Coil capacitor systems are using fields. Maybe you could change your system to be field based ? Wire you are using has thick insulation so result is not the best possible but maybe you can still see the white spark which is a sign of energy flow.
 
Laws that are valid in electric current based systems do not apply to electric field systems. You will not find any electrical laws about field systems from the textbooks (except Coulomb’s law) because field systems occur there only in theory e.g. potential or electrostatic theories. We must find these laws ourselves. For example, resistance, inductance and impedance do not appear with fields. You will also most likely not find anything about an oscillating electric field creating a magnetic field because it is the way to collect massive amounts of energy. I haven’t looked for it from the net but I observed the effect myself by accident which then resulted in the pdf after one year.
 
When the charge moves it always creates magnetic field and there is no way around that. You can try to cancel it by using e.g. caduceus windings but then you will also lose the power of it. Magnetic field makes movement in the energy field. When using a solenoid this movement occurs inside the core affecting to source and it is the reason for self inductance (energetic to electric induction occurs). When using fields this movement occurs outside the coil (and core) and it does not affect to source. This movement is energetic current without density. Electric field compresses the energy field resulting in energetic density but it does not create movement. When energetic current and energetic density are both present the induction effect will be much stronger. Both of these energetic components are possible to access simultaneously when using fields.
 
All you need to create this effect is four wires, capacitor, resonance and ground. One pair is primary coil capacitor (connect it like shown in figure 3, with or without turn offset) and another pair is the energy collecting coil capacitor. When the primary is pulsed with the resonant frequency of the energy collecting coil capacitor there will be massive energy flow having both energetic current and density present. This flow can then be used to induce charge in a charge collecting capacitor as it was explained in the pdf. The source is not affected by energetic to electric induction process. Purpose of the source is only to maintain the oscillating fields so that energy keeps on flowing.
 
Hopefully someone can soon do the test sequence using signal generator as described in the pdf and provide scope shots from impulse response and from resonant rise. Ten meters of wire has resonant frequency in the MHz range when coiled around air core tube, 10 MHz is typical. O.5 mm wire can charge a 20nf capacitor to a certain voltage which depends on the electric field potential squared. With 50% duty cycle without resonant rise 10 volts electric field potential is easy to achieve using signal generator. Now if that 20nf capacitor is charged twice every cycle to 100 volts then there will be plenty of hot electricity available. If resonant rise can be achieved there will be energy abundance. Think one hundred million COP and be careful when you run tests.


Hey Jacknoskills,


Would it be possible for you to make a video showing some of the novel effects you’ve observed?


I have tried this with a few different trifiar coils and a bifilar pancake coil with an equal copper weight primary.  All of the tests I ran seemed rather conventional in their outcomes.  Maybe you can shed better light on the effects you’re actually seeing.


Thanks,


Dave

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #168 on: December 24, 2017, 02:42:57 AM »
The ‘dual-helix’ wiring form is the method used in communications
Cat-schedule Ethernet, phone wires etc.


Often called “twisted pair”.


It’s not the same as standard bifilar windings that lie flat side by side
The wires are actually twisted together first
Then coiled


Rather than cutting one at the center,
You wrap a second pair and move the ‘center’ to one of the ends
Based on how you connect the 4 wire ends.
This is a simple convenience.
The idea is that the secondary starts halfway down the primary.
And makes it easier to coil them without screwing with the turns/m


GDT’s might not be as efficient as VDT’s,
But if what he’s saying is true, that’s trivial.
The same should be possible with an adjustable spark gap in air.


And if this works, we don’t need mains, and an inverter.
We could just spark this from a piezo-clicker
And it should keep sparking right?


So we have a center-tapped twisted-pair coil on a toroid inductor
4 ends. Call them coil 1 and coil 2
And we’ll say that they each have a ‘beginning and an end’
And they are on the same ends, meaning we follow them in the same direction


So the beginning of coil one (primary) goes through a spark gap and to the input of the load.
The end of coil 1 goes to a capacitor
the beginning of coil 2 (180-degrees around the toroid) goes to the other end of the load.
And the end of coil 2 goes to the capacitor.


Piezo spark is sent across capacitor
Connect a wire lead to each of the two wires of the piezo clicker
And click it on or close to the cap.


Adjust the spark gap and continue until the voltage across the spark
matches the capacitor value (for the coil capacitor)
that is in resonance with the other capacitor’s side of the loop.












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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #169 on: December 24, 2017, 07:15:12 PM »
I'm still fighting with genesis contraption, I will try to use non inductive bifilar coax cable coil where outer layer is the charged plate connected to HV source,(the inner wire is where current goes of pulsed 500v) this plate needs a lot of charge density so my question is ; what is the best HV circuit to electrostatically charge a metal object? flyback is quite week for making open circuit sparks, I need to pump out as much electrons from piece of metal as possible.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #170 on: December 26, 2017, 12:52:52 PM »

Hey Jacknoskills,


Would it be possible for you to make a video showing some of the novel effects you’ve observed?


I have tried this with a few different trifiar coils and a bifilar pancake coil with an equal copper weight primary.  All of the tests I ran seemed rather conventional in their outcomes.  Maybe you can shed better light on the effects you’re actually seeing.


Thanks,


Dave


I don't have camera, all the information I can provide is in the pdf:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/dlattach/attach/165932/


I don't think twisted pair is more effective than side by side coils.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #171 on: December 26, 2017, 01:11:28 PM »
I don’t see the correlation that is being presented by them in the pdf either.


The reason twisted pairs are used in telecom, is to reduce losses over distance
mostly from signal noise from the adjacent wire.
Because of the way data transfer sends pulses down a wire,
two signals can cause interference and reduce signal quality at the receiving end.
IEEE is constantly updating the ratio of twists/meter, in correlation to the average data
that is being used with the communications.


If you look inside Cat5, 5e, cat6
You will find different twists per meter.
In fact, each colored pair have their own specific twists/meter
There are calculations to determine the effects of the twisting


Without knowing specific frequencies and amplitudes
It would be hard for me to calculate the best dual-helix approach.
I assume the pdf is talking about an equal twist-distribution
But in terms of twists per meter, it seems the pdf skips right over that detail
And goes right into testing without any test equipment. (kind of sketchy?)


If your signal is traveling a few inches or even a few feet, it has no effect.
But when you get into 10’s of feet, 30, or 50 feet of wire +
there can be large differences between a twisted pair pancake, and a flat one.






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Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #172 on: December 28, 2017, 04:20:17 PM »
Reason why I think twisted pair not more effective than side by side is the space between adjacent turns: it is larger with twisted pair. But of course this can be tested and compared if possible.


As for pictures, just look at how others have done it. Over ten different versions and all had the energy flow in the form of white spark. Unfortunately I did not realize energetic to electric induction until just recently so not much testing with those. Maybe some experimenter is still here and could give more info in the form of scope shots ?


What has been confirmed is that 9V electric field potential turned into 40 DC when using a 47 nf capacitor. But ground connection was not tested so a bit inconclusive.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #173 on: December 28, 2017, 04:56:17 PM »
When the field of a dual-helix is considered
It is viewed as a single coherent field. Or column


In transmission wires that use multiple twisted-pairs
Each column is considered when examining the effects
Of one upon the other.


This is the method of engineering the ratios of each pair
in a large bundle.
Such as Ethernet cable, or large phone cables.


Most people only see this on the Ethernet side, telephone
technicians are rarely trained in the physics model, as it doesn’t
affect their jobs. They learn color coded plug and play instructions.
And the ability to tune a pair to find its ends. That’s all they have to
worry about.
It’s the people that make the cable that do this type of math.


A cylindrical radius can be taken around the twisted pair
within which are known field values.


It is this column or cylinder that is considered when coiling
the twisted pair.
Not necessarily the physical distance between each individual wire.


Think of a single wire coil, formed into a toroid.
the field created by the toroid is a larger volume
that the field created by the coil.


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #174 on: December 28, 2017, 04:59:45 PM »
The toroid example represents a ‘single turn’
in the twisted pair coil

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #175 on: January 03, 2018, 04:08:36 PM »

I was asked by Jack a few days ago to do some testing for him regarding this thread.
I decided to agree, but had some initial questions which i send to him, but up till now i have had no response back from Jack.
So i will start posting here and in due time Jack can start replying and hopefully others will also comment as we (i) will depend on that.


Allthough i offcourse knew about this thread, i did not engage up till now because frankly allthough i understand the theory (not sure about its validity though), i
had problems with Jacks drawings / physical setup.

As a simple replicator i need to "see" the physical thing to be able to build it and the in the PDF given diagrams are not enough for me to visualize it.
There are too many vague statements pointing to those diagrams which i cannot match with what i see.

Anyway, as i understand it, Jack has no good equipment other then some multimeters and lacks both a fast internet link and a good camera for making videos/pictures
and uploading them.
He also then cannot see any uploaded videos/pictures from others which makes it a challence working with him.

But as this setup (bifilar capacitive coupled coils) reminds me of an early promesing project from Tinman i agreed to give it a go.

 
Jack asked me to first build 2 bifilar coils ontop of each other like so:

1. Two coils using ten meters of 0.3 to 0.5 mm enameled wire wound tightly side by side on a plastic tube (diameter 3 to 5 cm): result is a dual helix coil.
   This will be the primary coil capacitor that you will pulse with signal generator that is connected to opposite ends of different coils.
   Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side.
2. Next add plastic layer so that you get a smooth surface for the second coil.
3. Wind a second dual helix coil on top of primary that is exactly the same like the first one.
   Surface area of the wire controls the amperage and larger area means more amps at the output.
   Add a layer of transparent insulation to protect the wire from scratches.
   You can also see if the coil system is leaking into air (white dots appear).
   You can experiment with turn offset later.


He continued with:

Rest of the testing details are explained in the ‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section.
Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.


After building these coils according to the above given 3 steps i ended up with a 6cm long (short) coil on a 5cm diameter PVC former using
2 layers of 2x 63 turns (126 turns) of 0.5mm magnet wire, see picture 1   

Trying to determine the resonance frequencies is difficult as it changes with nearby objects (hand) and loads (FG).
It boils down to about 3.5Mhz for each individual coil (we have 4 of them) and we have a 292Khz like resonance component when using two opposite coil ends
(so capacitive coupled coils).

The part about the "Rest of the testing details are explained in the ‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section." is where i am now (see pdf below), but i am having
difficulties in understanding how and where Jack thinks i should connect the FG to test this setup.
The main problem is that my FG and scope have grounded return leads, so a ground loop is quickly made which will influence any results heavily

So hopefully Jack and/or anybody else can give further instructions on how to continue from here.

Jacks PDF:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/dlattach/attach/165932/


Regards Itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #176 on: January 03, 2018, 04:57:24 PM »
1. Two coils using ten meters of 0.3 to 0.5 mm enameled wire wound tightly side by side on a plastic tube (diameter 3 to 5 cm): result is a dual helix coil.
   This will be the primary coil capacitor that you will pulse with signal generator that is connected to opposite ends of different coils.
   Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side.

Hi Itsu. I assume this came from Jack. The last line I quoted above does not make
sense to me. If you have two wound coils side by side like that, they should have a capacitance
somewhere in the pF range, I would guess, so there should be an impedance associated
with that capacitance, which will depend on the operating frequency. Is Jack saying to connect
the ground lead of the signal generator to one end of the two coils, and to connect the red lead
of the signal generator to the opposite end of the other coil? If so, you will have a capacitance between
the two coils, and this capacitance will translate to an impedance when pulsed with a signal generator.

P.S. It is hard to imagine that a person these days doesn't have access to a half decent digital camera or
a cell phone or tablet or whatever, or can't borrow one...

All the best...

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #177 on: January 03, 2018, 05:18:07 PM »

Hi Void,

yes, that 3 steps plan building the coils came from Jack.
He indeed suggest to use this capacitive coupled (so open ends) bifilar first wound coil as the drive coil for use with a FG.
I measure this driving coil to be 2.3nF.

He explains it this way:  "Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side."
This is to me one of those vague statements i was talking about as the resistance will be very high (not zero) and impedance indeed depending on frequency, but also not zero.

Anyway, we will have to wait for Jack to further explain.


Itsu 

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #178 on: January 03, 2018, 05:23:41 PM »
Hi Itsu. Thanks for the clarification.

All the best...

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #179 on: January 03, 2018, 05:28:32 PM »
To confirm the above statement from Jack (Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.),

i made 2 different coils on a 5cm diameter PVC former using 0.5mm (AWG 24) magnet wire.

One coil is closely wound (no interwinding space), and the other has a 50% offset, meaning 0.5mm between each winding.

Carefull measurment of these coils shows via severall ways that the closely wound coil (3cm long) has a resonance frequency of 3.13Mhz, while
the 50% offset wound coil (6cm long) has an Fres of 3.9Mhz, so not even half of the above mentioned 10.3Mhz.

This shows to me that it will be very difficult to take steady measurments as slight changes will influence the results.

Anyway, here a short video about these 2 coils setup and the measurement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-b1b6rTNLI

 
The screenshot shows the response of the both coils to a pulse (purple)
Yellow is the closely wound coil,
blue is the 50% offset coil.


Regards Itsu   

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