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Author Topic: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.  (Read 9712 times)

Offline dieter

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Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« on: February 05, 2017, 10:14:19 PM »
What I crap, I just typed in like 10 pages of smart text, took me an hour or so, clicked Prewiew, and gone was it! Clicking Back gave me an empty text input, this suchs, Stefan I hope you read this.


So I am really peed of, but still ask,
anybody interested in a coproject, probably a parallel test application?


Seemingly I have after thoughts and measurements found a way to inverse the current flow during induction, with the implication of the Lenz effect being no longer a brake, but a drive.

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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2017, 10:19:33 PM »
I was trying to talk about this with a PHD in electrotechnics and it turned out these guys can only recite wikipedia formulas without to understand them, really, that is the state of academics these days, and have never built any device in all their lifetime.


So, smartasses stay away from here, I need practical people with real world experience and a profund, personal and complete understanding of induction.


Offline dieter

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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 10:28:07 PM »
Most significant is the observation, that current flows, say, CW when the applied field strength increases, and CCW when it decreases. It usually increases as the distance between magnet and coil decreases, and visa versa. An increasing field strength and the resulting current flow however repells its (normally approaching) source by means of the reactive field, while a decreasing strength of the inducer causes the reactive field to attract the source, to hold it back, prevent it from moving away, brake it.
That is Lenz law 101.



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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 10:44:37 PM »
Now, this implies, logically, that if I had a magnet that is reducing its field strength, the closer it gets to the coil will reduce instead of increase the field strenght on proximation, and likewise increase the field strength while moving away, or in simple terms, it would be attracted when getting closer and pushed away when already moving away.


Or in even simpler terms: it would be accellerated by the "Lenz Effect"


To be discussed is, whether it is possible to build such a Magnet. In fact, I had some success. No selfrunner, but defnitely reversal of the current flow, pne of the fundamental criteria.


Others are: Inducer must lower the total fieldstrenght when getting closer to the coil, but must retain axial polarity orientation and also a minimum of stength to be affected by the reactive Field at all.


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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2017, 11:15:13 PM »
It would be really nice, if some of you, understanding these underlying principles, would participate in this project, thank you!


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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2017, 10:20:20 AM »
Hi Dieter, My understanding is very limited, but I find that on my set-up, which puts out AC
that if you input a DC voltage at the point where the AC wave is at zero, this reduces the lenz effect.
Also the input of the DC is used for drive.
My coils are all air core, it might not work with cores.
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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2017, 11:18:18 AM »
Now, this implies, logically, that if I had a magnet that is reducing its field strength, the closer it gets to the coil will reduce instead of increase the field strenght on proximation, and likewise increase the field strength while moving away, or in simple terms, it would be attracted when getting closer and pushed away when already moving away.


Or in even simpler terms: it would be accellerated by the "Lenz Effect"


To be discussed is, whether it is possible to build such a Magnet. In fact, I had some success. No selfrunner, but defnitely reversal of the current flow, pne of the fundamental criteria.


Others are: Inducer must lower the total fieldstrenght when getting closer to the coil, but must retain axial polarity orientation and also a minimum of stength to be affected by the reactive Field at all.


Hi Deiter, sorry your idea won't work.


You see the action of induction is to oppose change, it is like electromagnetic inertia, and if it opposes change here too as it will, it will tact as a brake.


So the induction from a decrease is strength is irrelevant unless we know polarity decreasing, so the permanent magnet flips the polarity along with flipping the action, as such the induction is what happens of a collapse of the opposite polarity doing the opposite thing, as such we wind up right back where we started as each one flips the induced polarity.


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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
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Offline dieter

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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2017, 03:07:43 PM »
Shylo, thank you, interesting, but you must choose the right DC polarity then, then of course it will drive the rotor. It is an intetesting, although diffrent concept.


Aether22, thank you, with all the respect, it is obvious to me that you don't understand induction, nor what I was talking about. "Polarity decreasing"?
wtf. Anyone who doesn't understand that induction without a polarity flip of the inductor is perfectly possible, at the cost of lower efficiency per cm3, should not post in this thread, thank you.

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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2017, 03:58:09 PM »
Dieter, you are incorrect about current reversing during magnetic field collapse.  I am saying that based on over 50 years experience in electronics.  Here is a link to a thread where we discuss this at length.  If you will take the time to read it, it will help you see what is really going on.  Since you apparently don't want anyone posting that does not agree with you this will be my only post.  I will not get into an argument with you about your mistaken idea.

http://overunity.com/16203/inductive-kickback/

However your idea about changing the magnetic strength of a coil as it approaches and recedes from a magnet may have some interesting effects.  I feel that aspect of your idea is worth pursuing.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2017, 04:17:01 PM »
Dieter, you are incorrect about current reversing during magnetic field collapse.  I am saying that based on over 50 years experience in electronics.  Here is a link to a thread where we discuss this at length.  If you will take the time to read it, it will help you see what is really going on.  Since you apparently don't want anyone posting that does not agree with you this will be my only post.  I will not get into an argument with you about your mistaken idea.

http://overunity.com/16203/inductive-kickback/

However your idea about changing the magnetic strength of a coil as it approaches and recedes from a magnet may have some interesting effects.  I feel that aspect of your idea is worth pursuing.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Carroll

I think you are mixed up here.
I do not see any comment by Dieter saying that the current reverses during magnetic field collapse.
What i do see is Dieter saying that the current flow reverses when the magnetic field strength decreases in the inductor-and he is correct.
Inductive kickback,and AC induction are two totally different things,when it comes to current flow.

As a magnet approaches an inductor/ coil,the current will flow in one direction,and when the magnet leaves the inductor/coil,the current will flow in the other direction.


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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
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Offline Erfinder

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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2017, 04:43:32 PM »

I do not see any comment by Dieter saying that the current reverses during magnetic field collapse.


What current......not a question....


What i do see is Dieter saying that the current flow reverses when the magnetic field strength decreases in the inductor-and he is correct.


sure he is....?


Inductive kickback,and AC induction are two totally different things,when it comes to current flow.


your opinion....right....not a question.  I'm thinking the godfather of induction would have a negative opinion of your opinion.


As a magnet approaches an inductor/ coil,the current will flow in one direction,and when the magnet leaves the inductor/coil,the current will flow in the other direction.

Brad


sure it does....?

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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2017, 11:52:32 PM »
It travels in both directions all the time.
One side is always a little stronger than the other.
I'm trying to to collect the stronger to drive the weaker.
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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2017, 11:59:03 PM »
Hi Carrol,
"However your idea about changing the magnetic strength of a coil as it approaches and recedes from a magnet may have some interesting effects.  I feel that aspect of your idea is worth pursuing."

Try flipping it, to reverse the drag.
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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2017, 12:09:44 AM »
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sure he is....?

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Most significant is the observation, that current flows, say, CW when the applied field strength increases, and CCW when it decreases.

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sure it does....?

Yes,i am sure it dose.

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your opinion....right....not a question.  I'm thinking the godfather of induction would have a negative opinion of your opinion.

Im sure the godfather would agree with known science,and not have much time for whackadoo crackpot's.

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What current......not a question....
The induced current--you know,the very stuff that is powering the computer you are typing on now.


I just new you would show up here EF,and destroy yet another thread with your warped understanding of power.
You are so predictable  :D


Brad


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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2017, 12:45:41 AM »
author=Erfinder link=topic=17116.msg499423#msg499423 date=1486395812]





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Yes,i am sure it dose.

Im sure the godfather would agree with known science,and not have much time for whackadoo crackpot's.
The induced current--you know,the very stuff that is powering the computer you are typing on now.


I just new you would show up here EF,and destroy yet another thread with your warped understanding of power.
You are so predictable  :D


Brad


Sold soul...... 


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Re: Searching for Buddy in promising magnet motor Project.
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