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Offline Cherryman

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2017, 10:06:07 PM »
May be we all get it wrong, Ultron is a Robot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultron

In the following issue, Avengers #55 (August 1968), the character is identified as Ultron-5, The Living Automaton.

Greetings, Conrad


Some observations:


Observation one: Although making fun, his mind is triggered, he's doing research
Observation two: Notice the theme: It's alive!
Observation three: See the energy ball in his hand...  coincedance?
Observation four: Skeptics are a healthy deviation and unknowingly an attribute of value


C'man : )




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Re: Utron research
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Re: Utron research
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2017, 10:26:14 PM »
I am indeed doing some "research".

I tried to find a magnetic field near the rotor of my simple electrostatic motor which is shown in my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notE4ugcgvk (see also the attached screen shot from my video showing the rotor).

Like in the video I was generating the High Voltage with my electrophorus.

My compass was not sensitive enough, which was expected.

I will try it tomorrow while powering an electrostatic motor with a 30 KV power supply.

The 30 KV power supply should create more charge flowing around the rotor and also a faster spinning rotor. May be that will result in a magnetic field strong enough to move my compass.

I will also put some coils near the rotor.

Greetings, Conrad (under the influence of the artficial mind of Ultron)
 

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2017, 10:57:41 PM »
I am indeed doing some "research".

Welcome aboard Sir!

I think this research can benefit a lot of a little use ( a little! ) of your mind!

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I tried to find a magnetic field near the rotor of my simple electrostatic motor which is shown in my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notE4ugcgvk (see also the attached screen shot from my video showing the rotor).

Like in the video I was generating the High Voltage with my electrophorus.
My compass was not sensitive enough, which was expected.
I will try it tomorrow while powering an electrostatic motor with a 30 KV power supply.
The 30 KV power supply should create more charge flowing around the rotor and also a faster spinning rotor. May be that will result in a magnetic field strong enough to move my compass.




Great experiment, looking forward to the result.   I'm especially curious because 'm not sure yet the magnetic field moves or changes, or just is an amplifier / vector.
I see in your vid  there is some resistance when pulling the plates apart, what is that resistance you think ?  Vacuum?  Charge ?  Casmir?  How easy would it be to let those plates vibrate?
Would be interesting to exhange one of the plates to a heavily perforated disc, or mesh. That would exclude some vacuum and airdrag effects.
 
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I will also put some coils near the rotor.


I'm very interested about that also.  I did some tests because i was not certain if the ionized air, my body or other disturbances where influencing the results. The reason i am happy with the voltage showing up related to the speed is the fact that its proof of SOME influence, yet to determine how or what.


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Greetings, Conrad (under the influence of the artificial mind of Ultron)


Greetings back Sir,


( I do however kindly suggest you would drop the "L"..  Its obligatory...  under the influence of the creative force of the light )


C'man

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2017, 11:24:46 PM »
I see in your vid  there is some resistance when pulling the plates apart, what is that resistance you think ?  Vacuum?  Charge ?  Casmir?  How easy would it be to let those plates vibrate?
Would be interesting to exhange one of the plates to a heavily perforated disc, or mesh. That would exclude some vacuum and airdrag effects.

This resistance to pulling the plates appart is the very well know fact that opposite electric charges attract each other (and like charges repell each other).

Like the capacitor in my "special circuit" (shown near the beginning of my video) the top and bottom steel plates of my electrophorus become charged to a High Voltage which causes the attraction.

The plates or metal foils of any capacitor are attracted to each other once the capacitor gets charged up. It is called electrostatic force and is described by Coulomb's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law (basic electrical engineering which I know only little of).

Greetings, Conrad

(Long live UTRON, ULTRON is a total looser!)


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Re: Utron research
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2017, 11:32:39 PM »

(Long live UTRON, ULTRON is a total looser!)


Hahaha Briljant ! 8)


PS. I know of Coulombs law..  Would still be interested to see how thats works out with a mesh.

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2017, 09:45:37 PM »
I produced two videos with a simple electrostatic motor driven with 15 KV positive pulses from a High Voltage power supply:

Pickup Coil Near Rotor of Electrostatic Motor (Pulses from HV Power Supply)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XLmmCkKnIY

Magnetic Field Near Rotor of Electrostatic Motor (Fail)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idz9z4dgCdQ


For explanations please read the video description.

Greetings, Conrad



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Re: Utron research
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2017, 11:58:09 PM »
@Conrad  Nice , clean tests! 


T1: Compass, i got the same, no results measurable on my compas. 


T2:  So it's like an antenna?  Did you have changes along with the speed of the rotor ? 


I did some retest after viewing yours, and some more tests.  I got some influence in the air as well.
But I also measured influence of a charged and uncharged rotor near the coil.
I came up to 6 volts with the coil grounded on one side and open on the other ( See vid )


Somehow the voltage is influenced by the speed of the rotor AND if the rotor is charged or not.


I upload another vid. 
https://youtu.be/3l5xAefUNa0


My multimeter died just now,  first victim of the Utron.  : (




 


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Re: Utron research
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2017, 12:50:45 AM »
T2:  So it's like an antenna?  Did you have changes along with the speed of the rotor ? 

https://youtu.be/3l5xAefUNa0

My multimeter died just now,  first victim of the Utron.  : (

Answer to T2: No, I had no changes with the speed of the rotor, my coil always picked up the 24 kHz pulses. And after switching off the power supply the coil did not pick up any signal although the rotor kept on spinning rapidly for up to 20 seconds (due to inertia).

Answer to your Video https://youtu.be/3l5xAefUNa0 : It looks to me that you are also picking up the pulses from your HV power supply with your coil. You can not see that because your multimeter does not show frequency only Voltage which is not reliale because your multimeter is not intended for high frequences and also not for pulses (only for low frequency sine waves with no more than a few hundred Hertz). So, with your multimeter you are like a blind man thinking that the trunk of an elephant is a snake. If you connect one probe of the multimeter to your coil and the other probe is used like an antenna, you get different Voltages depending on how much the air is carrying charge or whether you touch the HV. A multimeter is not the right tool to gain some insight into your contraption.

Answer because of your broken multimeter: no wonder your multimeter is dead, you connected it to High Voltage pulses (you touched the pole and the contact foils of your electrostatic motor with one probe). Utron is a harsh teacher not forgiving mistakes.

Hint: If you ever plan to use an oscilloscope be very careful with the High Voltage. Under no circumstances you should touch the HV with the probe or the ground of the oscilloscope.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2017, 01:28:47 AM »
Answer to T2: No, I had no changes with the speed of the rotor, my coil always picked up the 24 kHz pulses. And after switching off the power supply the coil did not pick up any signal although the rotor kept on spinning rapidly for up to 20 seconds (due to inertia).

Answer to your Video https://youtu.be/3l5xAefUNa0 : It looks to me that you are also picking up the pulses from your HV power supply with your coil. You can not see that because your multimeter does not show frequency only Voltage which is not reliale because your multimeter is not intended for high frequences and also not for pulses (only for low frequency sine waves with no more than a few hundred Hertz). So, with your multimeter you are like a blind man thinking that the trunk of an elephant is a snake. If you connect one probe of the multimeter to your coil and the other probe is used like an antenna, you get different Voltages depending on how much the air is carrying charge or whether you touch the HV. A multimeter is not the right tool to gain some insight into your contraption.

Answer because of your broken multimeter: no wonder your multimeter is dead, you connected it to High Voltage pulses (you touched the pole and the contact foils of your electrostatic motor with one probe). Utron is a harsh teacher not forgiving mistakes.

Hint: If you ever plan to use an oscilloscope be very careful with the High Voltage. Under no circumstances you should touch the HV with the probe or the ground of the oscilloscope.

Greetings, Conrad


Tnx for your replay,


I did however only touch the ground, or after the rotor never a straight connection with the HV source. But maybe i made a mistake somewhere.  At least not in the video i did not touch the source directly. It looks like it , but i just held it close to see if there was some interference. But maybe i made a mistake afterwards.  ( It still works at the end of the vid ; )
Anyway.. it's still dead...  Lesson learned   ( could this be a fuse i can fix? ) 



Greetings C'man

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2017, 09:09:23 AM »
I've fried several of these playing around with my Ion generator
Usually there is not enough current to break a fuse.
Capacitors are often threatened, but more often than not
When one of my multimeters starts acting up or goes dead
I found that shorting the terminals to each other, while flipping
Through all of the modes on the dial
Can bring them back to life - or more accurately discharge the hv
Stored inside them that is screwing up the readings or the ability to
display readings at all.


Worth a try before you thrown it away.
Sometimes they just die.
Which is why I use cheap ones to play with hv

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Charged wood "engine"
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2017, 03:57:33 PM »
Sidestep 3874B2 : Just a little thing i noticed before, my wood gets charged.


So i decided to have a little fun : )


https://youtu.be/Izz37tue-vY

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2017, 04:28:04 PM »
A wooden stator
I like it


This proves that with an appropriate voltage
Any substance can be used to make a motor
Why?
Because even an insulator becomes conductive
when the voltage potential reaches a certain magnitude.


This opens the door for motors made from plastic or any
other material that has a low cost.
Semiconductors can also be used in this manner
By utilizing their 'breakdown' voltage.


Nice demonstration


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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2017, 04:36:02 PM »
Sidestep 3874B2 : Just a little thing i noticed before, my wood gets charged.

So i decided to have a little fun : )

https://youtu.be/Izz37tue-vY

Electrostatic experiments can be surprising. That is why in the 18th century it took them so long to come up with the concept of "conductors" (metals). Electrostatic charges can creep along non-conductors like glass or wood surfaces and can go through the air, which was and still is confusing.

The first electricity which could be reproduced consistently at will was static electricity from an electrophorus (about 1760). The AC generators came much later in the 19th century.

There is this theory that they had batteries (lemon juice, copper and iron electrodes) before Christ in Egypt and Mesopotamia (Bagdad, Iraq) for electrolysis (plating led figurines with gold probably for fraudulent reasons or at least for bragging), but one could doubt that.

So, Cherryman, you are re-living the history of electrostatic research. And you seem to have as much fun as the people in the 18th century. The legend is that Alessandro Volta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Volta (and many other noblemen scientists) did his experiments for the amusement of the ladies at court.

Nowadays electrostatic effects are unwanted side effects and only a few do research in this area. And the ladies nowadays need more excitement than a curious scientific experiment.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2017, 04:39:39 PM »
A wooden stator
I like it


This proves that with an appropriate voltage
Any substance can be used to make a motor
Why?
Because even an insulator becomes conductive
when the voltage potential reaches a certain magnitude.


This opens the door for motors made from plastic or any
other material that has a low cost.
Semiconductors can also be used in this manner
By utilizing their 'breakdown' voltage.


Nice demonstration


It all fits in nicely with Walter Russels theory's  8)

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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2017, 04:44:54 PM »
Electrostatic experiments can be surprising. That is why in the 18th century it took them so long to come up with the concept of "conductors" (metals). Electrostatic charges can creep along non-conductors like glass or wood surfaces and can go through the air, which was and still is confusing.

The first electricity which could be reproduced consistently at will was static electricity from an electrophorus (about 1760). The AC generators came much later in the 19th century.

There is this theory that they had batteries (lemon juice, copper and iron electrodes) before Christ in Egypt and Mesopotamia (Bagdad, Iraq) for electrolysis (plating led figurines with gold probably for fraudulent reasons or at least for bragging), but one could doubt that.

So, Cherryman, you are re-living the history of electrostatic research. And you seem to have as much fun as the people in the 18th century. The legend is that Alessandro Volta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Volta (and many other noblemen scientists) did his experiments for the amusement of the ladies at court.


Nowadays electrostatic effects are unwanted side effects and only a few do research in this area.

Greetings, Conrad


Tnx Conrad,


Yes i dont now much about electricity in detail, but i've done extensive research the last 10 years, in history, energy history, ancient religions and pfff.. too much!


I happen to remember the Volta rumors and if i'm not mistaken he was in a discovery race with another Italian..  Galva?  can't remember    They would make dead  frogs move among others.. 
Had to be carefull those days not to get burnt for devil worshipping ; )


But i like my little hands on journey now.. and my side steps  : )






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