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Offline Cherryman

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2017, 04:30:19 PM »
Here is a little update.


I dit a lot of small experiments to get more familiar with the subject and electrics. Maybe i post those little experiments when people like it.


But here is where I'm at now.
Wound my first coil ! : )


http://youtu.be/R7ux__fGEFg

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2017, 11:23:19 PM »
I just watched your videos with the electrostatic motors. I liked the double rotor because it solves the wobbling of hanging rotors.


I am interested in all things electrostatic, motors and generators.


I do not understand the Utron, could you point me to some websites or books which explain the principl. Unfortuntely your video about the principle was too steep for me.


Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2017, 12:08:54 AM »
Thanks for sharing all this, Cherryman, looks like you're learning a lot in the replication process as well :) .

As long as you're getting into the magnetic component of the device, you might want to try testing/replicating this with your Utron (Img Attached: generating a magnetic field via a moving static field).

Really curious to see if an electrostatic-powered motor still generates this field, and how it affects drag when loaded.



thanks,
-rei

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2017, 03:50:29 AM »
Thanks for sharing all this, Cherryman, looks like you're learning a lot in the replication process as well :) .

As long as you're getting into the magnetic component of the device, you might want to try testing/replicating this with your Utron (Img Attached: generating a magnetic field via a moving static field).

Really curious to see if an electrostatic-powered motor still generates this field, and how it affects drag when loaded.



thanks,
-rei


Good questions rei !


I wonder the same, i have some triboelectric stuff ready to see about drag and charging, but too many things came in front.  If I do test it, i will post an update.
So far.. it looks like i could use one as a motor and the other.. or more! as generators..    That brings me to another question i am still researching, but i think i will post the question in a different post.


Yes I learned a lot, took also some sideways to get more familiar.. some more successful as others, but interesting all.
One thing stood out  for me, I surprised that even my wood influences the forces.  That was new for me, as I thinking wood was neutral.  But ion charged objects are attracted too ( old dry ) wood as well.

On other thing what got me thinking was that pure water and glass works as well..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F56XXUbWRq0
That should work the other way around as well.


You see.. got distracted again! I like it ;  )


Anyway tnx, and I always like those old magazine articles with home experiments!


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Re: Utron research
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2017, 04:43:44 AM »
[/size]I just watched your videos with the electrostatic motors. I liked the double rotor because it solves the wobbling of hanging rotors.I am interested in all things electrostatic, motors and generators.I do not understand the Utron, could you point me to some websites or books which explain the principl. Unfortuntely your video about the principle was too steep for me.Greetings, Conrad


Conrad, difficult question, especially because i don not have an electric basis. I've seen some of your posts, different level.
I do however think the principle is universal, no matter the carrier.


I choose the Utron as the one maybe...mayyyyyybeeeee... doable for me at home.
But many configurations are or were around, with or without moving parts.


The best and in my humble opinion only way to get you up to date to the basics is to listen to the man and his assistant himself.
Not an easy hearplay... but well worth it..   all SIX parts ; )


Forget other websites.. explanations, listen to the people themselves and then.. well then.. please post what you think.


I say.. its all there!  Some gaps.. sure.. always gaps ; ) 


So.. if you are still up to it:


Here are the first two.. the rest on the link below.
I advise you to listen before/and read the transcript later.


In their own words:

http://hello-earth.com/otistcarr/listen/interviewotistcarr19april1958part1.mp3
http://hello-earth.com/otistcarr/interviewotistcarr19april1958part1.html
http://hello-earth.com/otistcarr/listen/interviewotistcarr19april1958part2.mp3
http://hello-earth.com/otistcarr/interviewotistcarr19april1958part2.html


Still awake?  Want more?


http://hello-earth.com/otistcarr/otistcarr.html


I do also have a PDF of the original brochure, unfortunatly ou.com says it is too big.
Maybe you can find it on the web.
It is important, because it is again their OWN words.


Name: "Atoms for Peace"
Frontpage:




PS:  Reading up on Walter Russel is highly advised as well.

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2017, 04:43:44 AM »
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2017, 06:04:50 PM »
As long as you're getting into the magnetic component of the device, you might want to try testing/replicating this with your Utron (Img Attached: generating a magnetic field via a moving static field).

thanks,
-rei

@rei and Cherryman:

If we go back to the Rowland Experiment in the19th century (demonstrating that a electrostatic charge on a turning disk produces a magnetic field) we will learn that the magnetic field will be 10.000 times smaller that the earth magnetic field. This is the reason why his measurement apparatus was rather complicated and had to be very sensitive. See the attached image.

I doubt that the photo in rei's post was a real experiment (spinning a phonoraphic record with a fan motor). The compass would not be sensitive enough to measure the created magnetic field. But a magnetic field would really be created (just too small to be measured with a conventional compass).

This is no criticism, just a statement of facts from a well known book. (I say this because people are very touchy in these forums concerning known science.)

So, spinning a electrostatically charged disk will only create a very weak electromagnetic field. And such a weak electromagnetic field will only induce a very weak current in a coil. I guess in the order of Micro-Ampere. Heuristically you can deduce that easily because the charges zipping throug a conductor move roughly with the speed of light. How small is the speed of the charges on a spinning disk compared to the speed of light?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2017, 06:45:15 PM »
@ Conrad : Tnx for that info Conrad.  I take it on board.

@ all
Meanwhile some more tests.
I think you will find most of it boring.


Anyway, here they are. I keep forgetting to talk about what i'm doing ; )


A bit of everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbvlv6MJ5po


Coil testing : http://youtu.be/GsIRfQ5w59s




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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2017, 07:20:56 PM »
A bit of everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbvlv6MJ5po
Coil testing : http://youtu.be/GsIRfQ5w59s

@Cherryman:

From your "bit of everything" Video I see that you are Building some electrostatic motors.

Is the intention to have "something spinning" (which could be done more easily with a cheap little conventional DC motor doing up to 12.000 rpm) or are you also interested in having the spinning disk carrying Hig Voltage charges?

From your "coil testing" video and other videos from you I see that you want "some rotor" turning inside the funnel shaped coil.

Is it important that the rotor (which spins inside the coil) carries High Voltage charges?


What kind of High Voltage source do you use? (To what are the ball-chains connected?)

Greetings, Conrad

P.S. Some electrostatic experiments I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notE4ugcgvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmoQFEk8d0

I guess your tests are not about "electro statics"?

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2017, 07:48:03 PM »
@Cherryman:

From your "bit of everything" Video I see that you are Building some electrostatic motors.

Is the intention to have "something spinning" (which could be done more easily with a cheap little conventional DC motor doing up to 12.000 rpm) or are you also interested in having the spinning disk carrying Hig Voltage charges?

From your "coil testing" video and other videos from you I see that you want "some rotor" turning inside the funnel shaped coil.

Is it important that the rotor (which spins inside the coil) carries High Voltage charges?


What kind of High Voltage source do you use? (To what are the ball-chains connected?)

Greetings, Conrad

P.S. Some electrostatic experiments I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notE4ugcgvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmoQFEk8d0

I guess your tests are not about "electro statics"?


It's hard to categorize my tests, but yes,  Some are definitely about electro statics.
You are right that some of my rotors are nothing more as a simple electrostatic motor, but i needed those little steps to get more familiar with the subject hands on.


You see, for me it is a journey and also a learning experience.


So to get more grip on translating my concept to a working model i am continuously taken side steps to get more understanding of a subject. 
Some of the experiments are just for my understanding, some are proofs of concept for my design.


I had some spin up to around 30.000 rpm, with an attached motor.  that was for example if my setup would even hold high RPM.
No i know it is capable of doing that, i go to the next step.. etc..etc.


The rotor is a capacitor in my opinion, so it gets charged up, and eventually releases the energy back into the system.
The coils are to force the particles in a direction ( think Cyclotron concept)
The timing and the wiring will bring me some more questions.. but i got a fairly good concept in my mind.

right now i have to get some more grip about the characteristics of capacitors.
]Last:  My powersource is ( don't laugh now ) an air ionizer i bought in a second hand shop.  After taken te cover of, there was this needle point. So I tested hanging a cable on that needle..  en things started to work.
Just enough for now, to test concepts.. and not get electrocuted all the time.
I have no clue about the amperage, frequency or voltage of the powersource.
I do know its is a DC powersource and my test with an electroscope decided it are negative ions.

Another powersource i use for testing is an AC switching high voltage powersource.  It came out of an continues arc lighter, and after i doubled the voltage, it works good for now.

Although i would prefer something where i can adjust frequency or voltage.


Anyway.. I know i'm not very scientific in the normal way.
It's not my goal to become a master electrician, neither do i claim to have a working model, I do like however the search and still believe in the concept!


The little experiments however make me sometimes change insights or minor adjustments.

Work in Progress


PS. Nice vids. Electrostatics are fun.


I will attache a nice picture of a replica of an oldie. The shape is interesting, but the real jewel is in the text!




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Re: Utron research
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2017, 08:12:12 PM »

Cherryman, thank you for your answers.

Here a web site that is dedicated to Otist Carr (you probably will know it):

http://bluestarenterprise.com/

Otist Carr's books, e.g. "Atoms for Peace", can be found here:

http://bluestarenterprise.com/getting-started/

I guess you eventually want to build something like that? (See attached copy from the plans of Otist Carr)

http://bluestarenterprise.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/OTC-X1-plans.pdf

I listened some time to the Otist Carr radio interviews. Well, I am not intelligent enough to learn enough from them to build a flying craft.

I am sure you are having fun with your builds. I also like to build something from time to time just for the fun of it.

Greetings, Conrad


P.S. the interesting question concerning the nice Franklin motor in your post is: how long does it turn with the stored electrostatic charge? If it is very well built, may be for hours?

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Offline Cherryman

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Re: Utron research
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2017, 08:19:40 PM »
Cherryman, thank you for your answers.


Here a web site that is dedicated to Otist Carr:


http://bluestarenterprise.com/


Otist Carr's books, e.g. "Atoms for Peace", can be found here:


http://bluestarenterprise.com/getting-started/


I guess you eventually want to build something like that? (See attached copy from the plans of Otist Carr)


http://bluestarenterprise.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/OTC-X1-plans.pdf


I listened some time to the Otist Carr radio interviews. Well,  I am not intelligent enough to learn enough from them to build a flying soucer.


Greetings, Conrad


Tnx for the links, i do know them, but it could help anyone interested to do some reading up.
Also i like to travel my own path, but of course i use sources as well.
By the way,  i'm not building the flying sourcer.  Just its power source.
But who knows, it might take off  ; )


It's not about intelligence in this case, it's about believe.







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Re: Utron research
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2017, 08:35:05 PM »


By the way,  i'm not building the flying sourcer.  Just its power source.
But who knows, it might take off  ; )

It's not about intelligence in this case, it's about believe.

Yes, I heard in the Otist Carr interviews that he is talking about a self energised machine. The spinning cones are supposed to generate their own energy.

Obviously one would want to build one of them first.

About believe: I believe in being skeptical.

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Utron research
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2017, 09:47:33 PM »
Here is a little update.


I dit a lot of small experiments to get more familiar with the subject and electrics. Maybe i post those little experiments when people like it.


But here is where I'm at now.
Wound my first coil ! : )


http://youtu.be/R7ux__fGEFg


Sorry i took so long to look at this...
I've been rather busy as of late, preparing for a
Relocation


Umm,  not to sound offensive but that coil is all wrong
That is not the instructions Otis gave us.
Take a look at the UFO diagram - notice anything about
That coil?
Step-increments
NOT a smooth cone!!!!
The ratio of #of turns per area is important
This was talked about in great detail by Tesla and Mr. Carr
I suggest you go back and read this information again.
And again, until you grasp the concept.


At the wide end of the coil there is an induction rate
And a #of turns associated with that
At the next step the radius is smaller but there are more #turns
And so on until the very tiny loops at the tip
Square steps, down the cone
Each step having more turns than the one before,
So as to keep a steady induction all the way down.


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Re: Utron research
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2017, 10:35:53 PM »
My "totally wrong" coil just give me 3 volts : )


https://youtu.be/tj6sqq0_WE0


I tested the open coil on voltage while the Utron spins near. I noticed the voltage climbs with the speed, although i feed the Utron DC, i got an ac reading out of the coil. It only works with power on.. so there is somekind of induction going on i guess.


But about it being the wrong coil..  This is exactly the coil i wanted to try first.
But to reassure you, i have some other coil designs in mind.

Rant: Why do i keep those {size} stuff appearing in my texts ?




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Re: Utron research
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2017, 09:14:30 PM »
May be we all get it wrong, Ultron is a Robot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultron

In the following issue, Avengers #55 (August 1968), the character is identified as Ultron-5, The Living Automaton.

Greetings, Conrad

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