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Title: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 22, 2017, 11:31:43 PM
Hi, I have been studying Free Energy devices and experimenting for a long time.


I have discovered how these devices work, it is through the aether, and I can demonstrate aetheric science to a decent degree!


I can make devices that create aetheric energies that most people can feel, not everyone, but most.


I am looking for people who are interested in aetheric research and especially as it relates to Free Energy and Antigravity etc...


If I can demonstrate the validity and reality of this technology to you, will you look to experiment with it?


If so, please reply!


I am looking for collaborators.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 23, 2017, 04:47:55 AM
Hi,
I myself, as well as some others here would like to
see what you are working with.
Perhaps we have some valuable insight that can help
you along your journey.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 23, 2017, 05:27:24 AM
Hi,
I myself, as well as some others here would like to
see what you are working with.
Perhaps we have some valuable insight that can help
you along your journey.


Sure thing, I just spoke to Chet and he has sent you an image and hopefully an explanation.


Light impresses an influence on the aether, and allows light patterns to create a real, but sometimes subtle "aetheric energy".
While it is not all I have to share, it is easier to share than image than a physical device, you just have to get around the issue of an image creating energy.


I have found that most people can feel the energy, but not everyone.
Some people can feel the energy from coils but not from images, but at the current state of the art I hope a number of people will be able to feel the energy from an image.


Alas the only way to find out is to ask people to try something that sounds crazy.


But if you are the same Smokey that has collaborated with Arno and Dave, they I think you already tried a few of my images?


note: I will share images and real info either off group or in a protected group.


Thanks,
John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: Zephir on January 26, 2017, 12:57:05 AM
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Some people can feel the energy from coils but not from images, but at the current state of the art I hope a number of people will be able to feel the energy from an image
IMO you probably missed the forum. This one is about physical energy - not metaphysical one.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 26, 2017, 01:51:12 AM
IMO you probably missed the forum. This one is about physical energy - not metaphysical one.


Free energy technology, I assert works with technology that combines conventional forms of energy (electromagnetic etc...) with aetheric energy, therefore if you wish to call aetheric energy metaphysics, then Free Energy is based on Metaphysics.


While it is difficult at this time to pin down precisely what this stuff is (I call it aetheric energy), personally I would not call it metaphysics itself, but that what we term metaphysics is operates within this realm of physics as a subset of it.


Actually conventional physics I believe is also another subset of aetheric physics.


You see there is a huge number of Free Energy devices we all know the plans for, and yet where is the free energy?
Why do these devices do unexplained things? Free Energy devices often have other side-effects besides the development of unexplained energy showing up.


The reason is because the medium of matter and energy is the aether, the if it can be correctly conditioned, energized then the rules change.


Quantum physics experiments also have shown consciousness to effect the results, does that mean quantum physics is metaphysics?





Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 26, 2017, 05:24:26 AM
I don't know anything about the mumbo jumbo


What I do know is that material object, and drawings
Emit light


I also know that certain configurations of light can
And does manifest energy patterns


So it's not really that far fetched to consider how
Drawings or geometrical constructions might
Create different types of light energy convergence.


I'm not interested in what I can 'feel' as a human.
I'm interested in what could be observed by scientific
means.


For instance subjecting the images  to different frequencies
of light to see if energy patterns emerge.
Or building a physical construct based on the images
And analyze the 3-d patterns.


Or perhaps some entirely different tests I have not thought of.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 26, 2017, 06:31:00 AM
sm0ky2, you seem to have some interesting ideas, although I'm not sure I understand fully.


But the reason feeling the energy is of interest is because many of the free energy device inventors were energy sensitive and that's how they made they managed to get things right, they weren't working in the dark.


But each to their own, also some people just aren't sensitive to energy, while most people are to some degree, it's not universal.


So should I send you some designs for you to test?


John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 26, 2017, 09:23:43 AM
>>What I do know is that material object, and drawings
Emit light


Do you mean Infra red?


>>I also know that certain configurations of light can
And does manifest energy patterns


Can you tell me what?
Dan A. Davidson in the book Shape Power covered the subject.

>>So it's not really that far fetched to consider how drawings or geometrical constructions might create different types of light energy convergence.


Light energy convergence?


>>I'm not interested in what I can 'feel' as a human.
I'm interested in what could be observed by scientific
means.


But if what you can feel as a human ends up with stuff you can measure?
I grant you that I am not interested in being able to feel energy either, if it does not ultimately lead to some empirical results.
But in much the same way I'm not interested in read out's on meters either, I am interested in real power, but getting feedback does help establish when you are going in the right direction.


>>For instance subjecting the images  to different frequencies
of light to see if energy patterns emerge.
Or building a physical construct based on the images.


The point of the images is ONLY as a quick way to share this technology (to demonstrate it to the % who can feel energy from them) and for quick and dirty experimentation.  If you want to ignore images and instead make coils or others...  You are welcome to.
The point is to make physical forms that by being physical and electromagnetic are more powerful and help manifest useful effects.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: bringdownthezog on January 26, 2017, 04:06:00 PM

I am looking for people who are interested in aetheric research and especially as it relates to Free Energy and Antigravity etc...

I am looking for collaborators.

I'm interested.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 27, 2017, 05:45:27 AM
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Do you mean infra red?
[/quote]


Atoms and molecules emit light across the spectrum
With prominent peaks in the IR and UV and usually
at one or more specific frequencies in the visible color
spectrum.  It has long not been theorized that with
Certain configurations, this light could be directed to
a common focal point. Though I have not seen this
attempted.


In theory, something like this could be combined with
solar tech to make a sort of atomic pv battery

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 27, 2017, 06:04:07 AM

Atoms and molecules emit light across the spectrum
With prominent peaks in the IR and UV and usually
at one or more specific frequencies in the visible color
spectrum.  It has long not been theorized that with
Certain configurations, this light could be directed to
a common focal point. Though I have not seen this
attempted.


In theory, something like this could be combined with
solar tech to make a sort of atomic pv battery


Though not relivant to what I created this thread for, I do suspect that you could rectify thermal radiation, and one way could be two hollow hemispheres, each would radiate light, between them would be multiple polarized lenses on different angles such that no light gets between them.


Them you use a neat Physics trick, a magnetic field can rotate the polarization of light, so now in one direction the light makes it's way through as it is rotated after each lens to be the right orientation for the next lens, if I understand the physics of this effect correctly the light going the other direction would be rotated incorrectly for the next lens.


As light goes one way only, one side gets hotter.


Hey, I didn't say it was practical!
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 28, 2017, 04:43:33 AM
If not light (and I don't necessarily mean the human visible spectrum)
Then, what do you suppose to be the nature of this energy radiating
From the images?
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: overcurrent on January 28, 2017, 04:57:54 AM
Hi aether22, do you think this energy relates to the lay lines of the earth and the objects are a release point for the energy or am I way off base
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 28, 2017, 08:50:41 AM
If not light (and I don't necessarily mean the human visible spectrum)
Then, what do you suppose to be the nature of this energy radiating
From the images?


Quantum virtual particles?
Radionic energies?
Distortions of space-time?
Orgone?
Aetheric echos of particles?
Soft electrons?
Virtual photons?
Quasi-particles?
Dark Matter?
Chi?
Zero point energy?
Scalar energy?
Super strings soup?
Neutrinos?
WIMPs?
Torsion?


It's something, it's responsible for free energy and antigravity without a doubt, and I can make it strong enough to startle many people with the magnitude of what they can feel from it at all, and some people can't feel it, though they are in the minority somewhat.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 28, 2017, 09:12:40 AM
Hi aether22, do you think this energy relates to the lay lines of the earth and the objects are a release point for the energy or am I way off base
Something in that vein, yes.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 28, 2017, 01:32:57 PM
Are there any ways that you have found to detect or interact with
This energy, other than a human 'feeling' something?


Do your eyes have to be open to feel the energy?
Or can it be 'felt' without seeing the image or even knowing it's there?


Perhaps a bio-electrical stimulator could provide a machine interface
That may allow us to measure the energy.
Advances in artificial nerve cells and synthetic nervous system connections
could prove useful in this area
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on January 28, 2017, 09:29:04 PM

Beware of aether22, he is a false prohet!


What he blasphemously calls "aetheric energy", is the primordial energy (Ur-Energie or Urgan in German, or énergie originelle in French). This energy always existed and predates the big bang. It eventually creates life after a cosmos has been brought into existence by a big bang.


Knowledge of the promordial energy and its use and application is carefully guarded by a secret order. Aether22 is not initiated in this order.


I am not allowed to tell you more. Do not interact with aether22, you will be misled. It is a primitiv scam.


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on January 28, 2017, 09:45:20 PM

I am of course not a member of the secret order and I do not know anything about the primordial energy. But I got a lot of money to convey the above message. So, do not shoot the messenger.


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2017, 11:06:11 PM
No stone left unturned !

http://rexresearch.com/pomerleau/pomerleau.htm

to say we know all there is to know about these things would be ignorant ?

I would usually say to have Prejudice with out investigation is also ignorant ?

Just one mans opinion !



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on January 29, 2017, 12:03:52 AM

May be Mr. Pomerlau (http://rexresearch.com/pomerleau/pomerleau.htm (http://rexresearch.com/pomerleau/pomerleau.htm)) could tap into the primordial energy. If he could do that, he should not have shown it in public.


If Pomerlau really could do it, he may have stumbled upon it by chance or by help of his special gift. But it looks like the secret order stepped in and prevented that something conclusive ever came to light. This is typical, nothing harsh is done, but it will forever remain a mystery.


Be aware, the secret order does not prevent free energy or OU. But the knowledge about the primordial energy has to stay a secret. The military or powerful corporations would take advantage of it. Humankind would destroy itself and the earth.


The Nazis tried to lift the secret and have been very close. Fortunately the Nazis lost the Second World War and agents of the secret order imbedded in the US army destroyed everything amassed in Germany in a deep bunker in the Obersalzberg http://www.obersalzberg.de/blindschacht.html. People who worked in the project never spoke out. They seemed to be deeply scared and they are long dead.


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 29, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
Are there any ways that you have found to detect or interact with
This energy, other than a human 'feeling' something?


Do your eyes have to be open to feel the energy?
Or can it be 'felt' without seeing the image or even knowing it's there?


Perhaps a bio-electrical stimulator could provide a machine interface
That may allow us to measure the energy.
Advances in artificial nerve cells and synthetic nervous system connections
could prove useful in this area
I have not found, nor really looked for an empirical way to detect this energy, my interest in doing so went away almost completely when I found I could feel the energy very effectively.


Of course there are ways that are expensive, such as the modern version of Kirlian photography called GDV I am confident would detect some forms of this energy, but it is prohibitively expensive.


The problem with any means of detection is that I suspect it would be limited to detecting only some portion of this spectrum of energy, it is clear that there is more than one type, and if I made or bought an expensive device to prove it, it does not help me share this discovery as the people I want to share this with don't have that meter that they must spend money on or build.


As for looking at it, sometimes this has been tested and it has been found not to be required.


Now covering up the images is different, this only seems to apply to images (well, I assume) but basically if the design flows energy out of the screen, then that is not blocked by paper.  But there is a replication of the form on the screen that projects out from the screen.  It acts as if the screen projected a coherent beam like a projector, and this beam recreates the dynamics of the design in space in-front of the screen, and this can be blocked by paper.


Now one thing that happens is if regular light reflects off of an energetically charged surface, (such as my watch), the reflected light beam carries energy from the metal.  There is another effect that projects energies along what I term neural zones, so the neutral zones from a circular ring is in the plane of the ring and as a cylindrical projection of that form orthogonal to that plane.  So I gather that what happens is that the aetheric energy and light projected from the screen (or printed or hand drawn image) and light are projected as a package deal much like that reflection from the watch and what blocks the light also blocks the aetheric energy that recreates the form in the space in front of the image.


I believe or strongly suspect that this kind of intertwining between release of regular and aetheric energy in the same space is what manages to mix the to until either the aetheric energy copies the regular energy enough that it becomes or can act as regular energy, or that the aetheric energy is so baked into the regular energy that it gains extraordinary aetheric attributes.
I suspect this this likely requires emission and re-absorption of the compounded energy many times over.


That is however only a theory, but a sound one that has some real evidence and reason behind it.


There are also ways to demonstrate this energy besides humans feeling things, but they still involve subjective experiences such as taste (change lemon juice or wine to be less bitter), or strength tests or healing.


As for not knowing an image is there, I have not tested this with images, but unpowered coils (remember images are just for those who can't be bothered to build a coil) there have been a number of cases where people have had little to no information but reported feeling an energy.
However only one case involved the ultimate test, there a friend had a coil (that was fit inside of a pen looking case) was in his pocket, and someone he was sitting next to in the hospital could feel the energy from it hitting his foot.  It was the ultimate test as this was a stranger and not an intentional test.

I could try and setup something to find more evidence of this, but if the above account and the sensation they can feel in their own hand won't convince them, then my conducting a test won't make them believe, we all know of poorly done studies.


I'm not sure what a bio-electric stimulator is?  At any rate I think that the human energy body interaction is the reason humans feel it.

In short if people are open-minded enough and feel it well enough to be interested then they can be useful and experiment with it and hopefully make discoveries and have success with it.[/size]


If someone is too closed minded or is open minded but can't feel it, then they can be of little help besides financially or in some other supportive roll and
currently those aren't the people I am trying to reach.


Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 29, 2017, 01:25:34 AM
Beware of aether22, he is a false prohet!


What he blasphemously calls "aetheric energy", is the primordial energy (Ur-Energie or Urgan in German, or énergie originelle in French). This energy always existed and predates the big bang. It eventually creates life after a cosmos has been brought into existence by a big bang.


Knowledge of the promordial energy and its use and application is carefully guarded by a secret order. Aether22 is not initiated in this order.


I am not allowed to tell you more. Do not interact with aether22, you will be misled. It is a primitiv scam.


Greetings, Conrad


Who asked (paid) you to say that?  (if you aren't just a troll?)


If you have any way to send communication back to them, ask them to please pay me if they want me to shut-up about this :)
Have them tell me their concerns.


It's funny, because when I first realized what I had discovered over 20 years ago now, I first thought I could never share it with anyone, it was too dangerous.


But then I saw how dangerous ignorance was and how dangerous even simple technology/knowledge could be, if someone wanted to cause chaos, all they would have to do is light fires, or put a botulism in the water supply, or spread mercury and other toxins around.


This energy is called aether among other names, it is also Primodial, I believe it is just what you (or they) said about it being the source of all things, consciousness, life, matter etc...   It is the physics of the ultimate, able to bend the rules of physics, likely including space and time.  It is also the energy life runs on.


It gives humans the power of gods, and yes that could go different ways.  Ideally I would start a Utopian society that would develop and use this energy with the highest ethics.  But I do not have the charisma, or money, nor do I have it all solved enough to even have the time.


I am sure my understanding of this stuff is incomplete, so I could be a false profit, sure, I'm not perfect.  But I'm not a scammer as I am not asking for money.
Heck, I should be keeping this knowledge greedily to myself until I have the credit for developing Free Energy and Antigravity.
Instead I am giving others a chance to pip me to the finish line after I have done the hard work for 20 years to understand this stuff.
With the likes of Chet it's clear I'm not entierly casting pearls before swine.

For the record I do not believe that a secret order exists (outside of the Jesuits/Illuminati/Military Industrial Complex/Satanists who have this tech and are the last ones who should), not that there aren't those who try and suppress this stuff, for the most part they only seem to do so when this gets to be too present a threat to someone apple cart such as Free Energy or Antigravity or health.  Currently I am avoiding attacking anyone's apple cart.




Note: A message such as that from conradelektro, it would if real would actually be to encourage support to me.
If there were such an order, they would know that a statement by people trying to stop such research would appear as what is is, an attempt at suppression of genuine research. And this would result in pretty predictable reverse psychological effect.   Now of course no one would pay someone to leave a dumb comment as registering an account is free, so it is surely bogus.   Too bad, it would be awesome to have a secret group trying to help me.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: overcurrent on January 29, 2017, 04:26:54 AM
aether22 have you ever checked out Joe Parrs work on pyramids ( easily accessible on internet ), he believed he had a way of measuring the energy. As for me I looked into it but his work went way over my head and my financial means to try and replicate but I thought his work might be of interest to you if you haven't already heard of him.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 29, 2017, 05:07:21 AM
overcurrent, yes I am aware of him finding resistance changes and such.


I long researched means to measure this kind of energy before I had a reliable way to generate it.


But I am not interested enough in using his methods, they might work, but I am also aware of many catches that would apply.


You see one way this energy works is that this energy is recorded when you make something, it is captured in the device you construct.


As such the coil (he used a coil of many turns and measured the resistance) would be charged as I make it, and it would only measure some energy types I suspect.


It would be not near as good at measuring this energy and as such even if it worked would probably be far inferior to what someone (most people) could just feel.


I get that from a hard science point of view this sounds crazy, why surely you need a meter.   But to me the only interesting thing about a meter is that it would tell me something about the interface between aether and matter that could maybe be turned into a useful effect.


IMO a meter is interesting, and it would be invaluable if I couldn't feel the energy at all or well. But since I can it's more of a red hearing.


If the sensations were at a level where they were subjective at all, again a meter would be good, but the energy is often problematically strong and painful to me, and it is near that strong to a number of people.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: overcurrent on January 29, 2017, 05:55:54 AM
I know what you mean by some people being able to feel it, my father is an excellent dowser and when the stick points to the ground finding water there is a real force exerted on the stick that he let me feel by trying to push the stick back up and I could see it was nothing he was doing with his own muscles and it is funny how my sister can do it also but I don't have much luck with it. Just something I have never been able to figure out.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 29, 2017, 06:37:25 AM
I know what you mean by some people being able to feel it, my father is an excellent dowser and when the stick points to the ground finding water there is a real force exerted on the stick that he let me feel by trying to push the stick back up and I could see it was nothing he was doing with his own muscles and it is funny how my sister can do it also but I don't have much luck with it. Just something I have never been able to figure out.


Yes, but I would note that I can't dowse to save myself.


Also I spent 17 years trying this stuff and couldn't feel energy when I tried to.


While it's possible that something about me might have changed, primarily I don't think that has as much to do with it.
I think the breakthrough came in creating a source of aetheric energy that was nor trivial.


While some people are insensitive to even quite large degrees of energy, most people don't know that they can feel energy!
And they don't know it because they have not been exposed to it.


If most people could feel a level of energy that was easy to encounter, then it wouldn't be a a fringe thing that science rejects out of hand.


I'm not special, most people can feel energy.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 29, 2017, 08:16:47 AM
I'm one of those people that can't see the 3D images posters
Even the simple ones, or the complex ones, or the ones with
little hidden animals...


My eyes don't do that


As far as 'feeling' the energy, personally I have to leave that
for the monks, and people with patience and some sort of
'connection' with things I know nothing about.


For me I need to know things. I have means to detect things
In whatever spectrum(s) necessary, what I don't have right now
Is access to a printer, or large screen to reproduce these
'energy emitting' images.


Even if the energy were not detectable by normal means
There are ways to interface to living (or no longer living)
organic tissues to serve as a means for detection.


If it can be 'felt' by us, then it can be observed in other manners.


At least that's my thoughts on it.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 29, 2017, 09:18:26 AM
I'm one of those people that can't see the 3D images posters
Even the simple ones, or the complex ones, or the ones with
little hidden animals...


My eyes don't do that


As far as 'feeling' the energy, personally I have to leave that
for the monks, and people with patience and some sort of
'connection' with things I know nothing about.


For me I need to know things. I have means to detect things
In whatever spectrum(s) necessary, what I don't have right now
Is access to a printer, or large screen to reproduce these
'energy emitting' images.


Even if the energy were not detectable by normal means
There are ways to interface to living (or no longer living)
organic tissues to serve as a means for detection.


If it can be 'felt' by us, then it can be observed in other manners.


At least that's my thoughts on it.
Well if you are willing to give some of those things a try as time and means allows, send me an email at berry.john22@gmail.com and I'll send you an email with images and coil designs.


Also, I would ask that you spend at least a minute or 2 giving it a go, sure you might not feel anything, plenty of people don't (with images, about half), but maybe it's worth a shot.









Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on January 29, 2017, 11:57:43 AM
Who asked (paid) you to say that?  (if you aren't just a troll?)

If you have any way to send communication back to them, ask them to please pay me if they want me to shut-up about this :)
Have them tell me their concerns.

I can not tell even if I wanted to. I have no trace back to the secret order. (I also can do bold statements, it is for free. Words are easy, they just tumble out.)

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It's funny, because when I first realized what I had discovered over 20 years ago now, I first thought I could never share it with anyone, it was too dangerous.

But then I saw how dangerous ignorance was and how dangerous even simple technology/knowledge could be, if someone wanted to cause chaos, all they would have to do is light fires, or put a botulism in the water supply, or spread mercury and other toxins around.

Very productive 20 years that must have been. Show some results. Of course, proof is for the simple minded, you are beyond proof.

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This energy is called aether among other names, it is also Primodial, I believe it is just what you (or they) said about it being the source of all things, consciousness, life, matter etc...   It is the physics of the ultimate, able to bend the rules of physics, likely including space and time.  It is also the energy life runs on.

It gives humans the power of gods, and yes that could go different ways.  Ideally I would start a Utopian society that would develop and use this energy with the highest ethics.  But I do not have the charisma, or money, nor do I have it all solved enough to even have the time.

Well, well, just repeating what I said.

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I am sure my understanding of this stuff is incomplete, so I could be a false profit, sure, I'm not perfect.  But I'm not a scammer as I am not asking for money.
Heck, I should be keeping this knowledge greedily to myself until I have the credit for developing Free Energy and Antigravity.
Instead I am giving others a chance to pip me to the finish line after I have done the hard work for 20 years to understand this stuff.
With the likes of Chet it's clear I'm not entierly casting pearls before swine.

In order to cast pearls one needs pearls. And you are absolutely right, you do not understand this stuff. First true statement from you.

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For the record I do not believe that a secret order exists (outside of the Jesuits/Illuminati/Military Industrial Complex/Satanists who have this tech and are the last ones who should), not that there aren't those who try and suppress this stuff, for the most part they only seem to do so when this gets to be too present a threat to someone apple cart such as Free Energy or Antigravity or health.  Currently I am avoiding attacking anyone's apple cart.

It does not matter whether the secret order exists. You should prove your silly promises. I do not prove my statements, because I am telling the truth. I am enlightened and that shows how right I am. My truth was given to me by higher forces whom you will never be able to understand.

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Note: A message such as that from conradelektro, it would if real would actually be to encourage support to me.
If there were such an order, they would know that a statement by people trying to stop such research would appear as what is is, an attempt at suppression of genuine research. And this would result in pretty predictable reverse psychological effect.   Now of course no one would pay someone to leave a dumb comment as registering an account is free, so it is surely bogus.   Too bad, it would be awesome to have a secret group trying to help me.

Where is your genuine research? Ah, it is very difficult to understand and you will teach us step by step? To register an account is also free for you. And nobody can help you, not even a secret group.


Since there is no more to tell, I quit this thread. Note, you will not get anything useful from aether22. He will carry one with useless words till you or he runs out of steam. I spare you my silly words.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 29, 2017, 12:07:39 PM

It does not matter whether the secret order exists. You should prove your silly promises.[/size]



Well, it does matter.  If it does exist then you are telling the truth.  If it doesn't exist then you are a troll and a liar.  Maybe not of believable lies, but even crappy lies are lies.


I made one promise, that most people feel energy from my coils at around 90% (when I wield them anyway), and probably over 50% with my images (probably audience dependent to degree).


And I said people had to show genuine interest and contact me because if they did I would send them an image.


So far one one person has email me and they didn't feel it, and they only tried an image, so that's roughly 50-50, so one result is meaningless.


For me to fail to live up to my promises 5 to 10 people would need to try it, this would then be a preponderance of negative info if results of them felt the energy.  Sure you can flip a coil 5 or 10 times and get only heads, but the odds are against it.


So it is you that needs to do something, no me.  Except I am reluctant to share my work with you, so let's leave it up to people who aren't trolls.


Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 29, 2017, 04:54:15 PM

Also, I would ask that you spend at least a minute or 2 giving it a go, sure you might not feel anything, plenty of people don't (with images, about half), but maybe it's worth a shot.


For me, personally feeling it would be of no use, as I have no way to
relate that experience to others.
For me, there needs to be a tool, apparatus, or system of interaction
that is not limited to our human senses.


The 'black box' experiments demonstrated that human perception
can be altered by our expectations. If we think there is something
in the box, then our experiences will reflect those thoughts. We may
feel heat or vibration from the box, see an 'aura' or field around the
box. Various other manifestations, all from an empty box.
Simply because we are told there is something in the box.



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: gotoluc on January 29, 2017, 06:58:38 PM
I am enlightened and that shows how right I am. My truth was given to me by higher forces whom you will never be able to understand.

Greetings, Conrad


Be aware, there is no "enlightened" one who would write such an egoistic statement. More like the opposite.

Kind regards

Luc

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on January 29, 2017, 08:19:11 PM


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Be aware, there is no "enlightened" one who would write such an egoistic statement. More like the opposite.
Kind regards

Luc

Sarcasm, irony and parody seems not to be your strong side. Seriously, you believed that I were enlightended? And even stranger, you think there is such a thing as to be enlightened?

I am sure, the primordial energy was invented for you. You are made for it.

Relax, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 29, 2017, 09:34:04 PM
In truth I find most of us here to be enlightened,
Our desire for knowledge and truths separates us
From those whom are content with the mundane.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on January 29, 2017, 11:39:41 PM



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In truth I find most of us here to be enlightened,
Our desire for knowledge and truths separates us
From those whom are content with the mundane.

Again, you see the primordial energy doing its magic in front of your eyes!

What more could Aether22 ever prove to you? Down with the mundane, up with the desire for the unbelievable! Never ever ask for proof, you will spoil the fun of the credulous.

May the primordial energy be with you, Conrad

P.S.: Attached a simple coil of wire oozing primordial energy. You clearly see the energy emanating from the tip of my thumbnail. It is the non-mundane, the miracle manifesting because I believe strongly.


Aether22, can you do better than that?
Gotoluc, is this enlightened enough?
Sm0ky2, is this non-mundane, does it quench your desire for knowledge?
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 30, 2017, 02:09:44 AM

For me, personally feeling it would be of no use, as I have no way to
relate that experience to others.
For me, there needs to be a tool, apparatus, or system of interaction
that is not limited to our human senses.


The 'black box' experiments demonstrated that human perception
can be altered by our expectations. If we think there is something
in the box, then our experiences will reflect those thoughts. We may
feel heat or vibration from the box, see an 'aura' or field around the
box. Various other manifestations, all from an empty box.
Simply because we are told there is something in the box.


I very much respect the integrity of that view.
But I also have a counter-argument to make.
If you did feel it and felt it strongly enough that it was beyond what you could discount as "Placebo", then you could work with the energy and experiment with it.
Maybe you would not choose to do as I am doing and communicate it as evidence to others, but it could still be useful.


Until you develop it into something that does something empirically demonstrable.


Alas, I suspect that the power of the mind would keep you from feeling what is there, not make you feel what isn't.
Anyway drop me an email (berry.john22 at gmail.com) if and when you are willing to try and detect the "whatever" this technology effects.


If you will at least take my word for the fact that the results seen thus far are not sensibly explained away by the Placebo effect or anything mundane.


John



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 30, 2017, 03:22:34 AM


Again, you see the primordial energy doing its magic in front of your eyes!

What more could Aether22 ever prove to you? Down with the mundane, up with the desire for the unbelievable! Never ever ask for proof, you will spoil the fun of the credulous.

May the primordial energy be with you, Conrad

P.S.: Attached a simple coil of wire oozing primordial energy. You clearly see the energy emanating from the tip of my thumbnail. It is the non-mundane, the miracle manifesting because I believe strongly.


Aether22, can you do better than that?
Gotoluc, is this enlightened enough?
Sm0ky2, is this non-mundane, does it quench your desire for knowledge?
Go home conradelektro, you're drunk!
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 30, 2017, 06:41:33 AM
Very productive 20 years that must have been. Show some results. Of course, proof is for the simple minded, you are beyond proof.


I discovered the basic insight, but your sarcasm is correct, I had 17 years of efforts with only some ideas to show for it.
If I could have "Imagined" results I would have.
If I were going to fake results I would have.


I had no history of feeling energy.


But if it were just me, I wouldn't be here mentioning it.  If I didn't have a pretty decent success rate, I wouldn't be making claims that sound impossible.


But to me truth is more important than "The way things are done".
The truth is that I am most people cannot readily imagine the degree of sensation that occurs most of the time I bug people to try my designs.


I have even made 2 identical looking designs one that was designed to work and one that was designed to subtly fail, and people could tell the difference.


It's not in the mind and it can be used to advance research and to me that is all that is important, not if it is "respected" by engineers or skeptics or people who do things in rigorously controlled ways with measures etc...


No early discoveries have had ready made meters, including electricity.


A tingle in your tongue, isn't that subjective?  Contract a frogs leg, don't dismembered things sometimes twitch anyway?
A compass needle moved, must have been the wind.


If you want to work at the fringe, make the new discoveries then you must be willing to crawl out beyond the established safe zones and be willing to care only about truth not rules.


If you are here and criticizing something you know nothing about and have not contacted me to try (I'm not sharing it publicly) because you are closed minded or because this does not fit your idea of what Free Energy research should look like, then I suggest maybe it is you that does not know how to reach from the known into the unknown.


The fact is that this "energy" is very well established in every culture and even in physics.  While it remains mostly mysterious, I am offering to the brave, to the people non conflicted with limiting beliefs and skeptical nonsense a way to go into this new area and to be re-assured all the way along as they will be able to feel the truth, and if they can't feel the truth they have no more place experimenting with it at this point that a blind person has performing surgery.


I am not offering to disclose anything here, as I am not releasing this to anyone who ever comes across this post, only to seekers.  As it would require some persistence to go beyond feeling the energies into learning and experimenting.
Because up to this point 99.9% of my effort has been experimenting with unpowered coils and graphics I have not made breakthroughs that are sure to be quickly made when these principles are skillfully added to the right setup.


IMO all proper Free Energy devices use this energy, and it is the primary and most critical key to their generation of excess energy, as such you do not need to build any new device to test this on, you can just change devices you build or have built.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 30, 2017, 07:35:22 AM
Did you create these images? Or just came across them?


You said the paper can 'block it', this tells me it is absorbing
Or reflecting whatever this energy is.
The paper can be replaced by other things in an effort to
Identify the exact nature of this energy.


Your nervous system can detect heat, pressure, electric,
Magnetic, and light. So 'feeling' covers a broad spectrum
of sensory input.


Identifying it is the first step
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on January 30, 2017, 08:15:01 AM



The images are my own work, but PLEASE don't make this about images.




The images are inferior, except they are easy to share.




Now the use of images to effect the aether did not begin with me.
But it certainly was established by, among others, Dan A. Davidson in the book "Shape Power".




The short version of the story is: Educated myself in conventional Physics, skeptical but seduced by claims of Antigravity and Free Energy.  Was aware the aether vortex theory, hated it, but then couldn't help but see the evidence for it.  Spent 17 years researching it with little to show before I made a coil that emitted a beam I and others could feel.  I experimented more and found that drawing and even images on a computer can effect the aether, I then developed this for the next several years getting stronger and stronger energies (subjectively), oh I also used the coils for healing earlier and got results that were miraculous and doubt erasing.  I have had hundreds of people feel energy from coils and images and the vast majority overall have felt energy, but a non-trivial number (which is less trivial on images sent around the net) don't, but still they are in the minority somewhat.  Many feel energies very strongly as I do so myself.




I tried to feel energy of different things before I had my success and if I have any ability to imagine a sensation, it is only to a very very slight level, I could never feel anything clear just from wanting to or believing.




But the problem is I am somewhat trapped by the easiness of development with images.  Just since I made the post my strongest works has increased as I have continued to experiment more.
When I show someone who felt my older work, my newer work, they often comment how much more powerful it is now.


Alas, even very strong energies don't make people who don't feel energy feel it.  My mother has been long suffering in trying these and she has felt the energy from them, but only very very seldom.


So I recognize that this is not normal research, no kidding.  But if you look past the unscientific facade, it is for those who feel something strongly enough to be impressed very clearly real.  And it gives a way to know how aetheric experiments are going and I can deliver a LOT that I have learnt, and this can be used to help have success in building Free Energy and Antigravity and other fringe, generally impossible results.


But it's not for everyone.  It isn't even for everyone who can feel it, and it is almost certainly not yet suitable for people who can't.




But it is for the pioneers among you who are happy to go off the beaten track.  Maybe you are the exception and should experiment with it even without even trying to feel it since you want to experiment not with making the "energy" but with detecting it.


As for heat and so-on.  Some people might feel the same energy (well, from the same device, unless the energy changed) differently.  So I don't know, I really don't.  Maybe it depends on the type and level of energy in that person, such that if they are subject to electrical energy most they are more likely to feel electrical energy when the energy from my images or coils hits their bodies energy.
When I have been feeling energy a lot my hands become extra sensitive to energy, but initially I could only feel energy in my right hand.  But as my exposure grows I can feel it in new places, left hand, face and chest most of all.  Earlier today a new design hit my head with energy was wasn't expected and gave me a headache for a second till I redirected it.

One difference to regular feeling is that with aetheric energy, you can feel things through you that would normally just be on the skin.  So most of what I feel personally has no regular analog as there is nothing normal that could penetrate, or nothing I have experience with.

John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: Acca on February 02, 2017, 06:23:29 PM
 I have just read (all) posts here on this thread and did not get any benefit from the writings..
 
However my computer read the posts as I was doing physical work.. so  loss to me ..
 
Try this video clip as this a BBC clip on Chi.. and “THE” energy you may get the benefit..
 
 
Acca…
 Ps..... here is a Polish / Australian artist creation.. now RIP..

Sorry for such a large photo as it will make you feel better or NOT.. you determine that ..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tTXFYrDd0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tTXFYrDd0E)
 
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on February 02, 2017, 07:05:16 PM
Concerning the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tTXFYrDd0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tTXFYrDd0E) posted by Acca:

There are people with so called healing powers. And I could visit a few in person. In every culture the "faith healers" put forward a different sort of esoterics. In Asia it might be the Qi and in Middle Europe it is often in the context of religion and in South America and Africa something more shamanic. For some time there is an Indian influence all over the Western World like medidation.

According to my opinion and my experience, the show is all important in faith healing. The better the show, the more the patient and whoever takes part believes it. And believing is healing, so to speak.

I had the impression that the patient is healing himself. So, the faith healer helps the patient to help himself. And therefore all is very inconclusive and depends on the faith healer and the patient, even on the audience.

But it does not matter, whether you believe it is done by the healer or by the patient. Sometimes it works and very often it does not. And that is the problem, it is highly personal and can not be measured or be pressed in a theory.

If the show of a faith healer is good then I like it. And I do not like the more numerous bad show men or bad show women. And I do not like the people who talk about it like the knew something.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 02, 2017, 09:42:23 PM
Don't underestimate the placebo effect. Given the right
situation I could make even the most adamant skeptics
believe something that is not real. Feel it, see it, taste it,
hear it, smell it, and even detect it through a more neural
sense many refer to as our 6th.


That aside......


Tell me about your coil
Can you teach us how to make one?
 Pictures? Drawings? Instructions for us to follow in the
footsteps of your research?


Coils are kinda my thing, especially asymmetrical ones
that are not used or even talked about in conventional theory.


Such as the conical coil, the mathematics for which describe
asymmetrical electromagnetic fields of every possibility.
Including my favorite, the sine wave coil. Which is a coil that
Increases and decreases in diameter, according to a sine wave
Which is both resonant to the physical shape, but also the length
Of the wire as a whole.
This coil, when used at the resonant frequency, has a free energy
constant of: sqrt(3pi +R/v) or sqrt(3pi+(I), or change in I from 0-I.
Basically, an "ou inductor"
This is verified by multiple sources, but is not a part of mainstream
science, because the effect itself is in violation of the very laws we
use to observe the effect. Hence it is an anomaly.
Or a paradox, as some put it.   
You can't prove that it is overunity without negating your theory of
proof.
Basically, they are still 'looking' for the source of the energy.
And they won't find one because it is self inductive >1


What does self inductive mean?
That means that the rate of change in the current
(Yes change in current, not the value of the current itself)
Induces an electromotive force. In the form of e=-L(dI/dt)
When L>1; self inductance is overunity.




Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 03, 2017, 03:15:23 AM
Tell me about your coil
Can you teach us how to make one?
 Pictures? Drawings? Instructions for us to follow in the
footsteps of your research?
Yes, absolutely.

I am reluctant to share too much of it here, especially the active images.  They are by email only.


But I am more willing to share the coil diagrams as they require some effort to actually appreciate.


I have attached one coil type, it involves making a coil of 7, 15 or 31 lengths (or actually any odd number you like, but those are good numbers, the more the stronger the output), with another right handed coil wound over it, in series.  It must be made just as shown.


It creates a beam out the end.

Quote
Coils are kinda my thing, especially asymmetrical ones
that are not used or even talked about in conventional theory.
I thought "funny, I don't remember writing that..."
So yes, I too am a fan of asymmetrical coils (and other asymmetries), they rectify aetheric energies.


When I created the first coil that created an energy I could feel, it needed connection to electrical power, while it would still output an energy for a few minutes it would fade.
But then when I made the coil asymmetric, I no longer needed an electrical input.
Quote
Such as the conical coil, the mathematics for which describe
asymmetrical electromagnetic fields of every possibility.
Including my favorite, the sine wave coil. Which is a coil that
Increases and decreases in diameter, according to a sine wave
Which is both resonant to the physical shape, but also the length
Of the wire as a whole.
This coil, when used at the resonant frequency, has a free energy
constant of: sqrt(3pi +R/v) or sqrt(3pi+(I), or change in I from 0-I.
Basically, an "ou inductor"
That goes over my head.  But I discovered an effect the other day where if a pattern (a helical loop will do) is made at one side and repeated at a smaller size, and if the energy is made to flow from the large to the small (which it might do automatically), then when the energy is moving through the small coil it outputs the same energy in a fraction of the space and time, which means the energy is compressed.


This happens to some extent in the coil in my image, to a greater extent in a conical coil, but it also happens in even a series of loops or coils that are not on the same axis, such as just putting some single turn loops spaced along a length of wire from large to small, not as good as the conical coil but the effect still occurs, it also can occur with a pancake coil or some other concentric coil form, or even with more elaborate repeated "fractal" shapes.
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This is verified by multiple sources, but is not a part of mainstream
science, because the effect itself is in violation of the very laws we
use to observe the effect. Hence it is an anomaly.
Or a paradox, as some put it.   
You can't prove that it is overunity without negating your theory of
proof.
Basically, they are still 'looking' for the source of the energy.
And they won't find one because it is self inductive >1


What does self inductive mean?
That means that the rate of change in the current
(Yes change in current, not the value of the current itself)
Induces an electromotive force. In the form of e=-L(dI/dt)
When L>1; self inductance is overunity.
I know what self inductance it, math (algebra) is my weak point not electrical or conventional physics theory.


There is another coil I will mention, it involves simply butting 2 coils together, just wind some turn one way in a single layer, then reverse direction and wind the same number of turns the other.  This coils really needs to have the free ends shorted, unlike the one attached image which does better with jsut the bent ends shown.


This creates both a neutral zone (which is an area the aether moves well through) in the center, and I think what occurs is that the cancellation of the of the field near the center creates very non-linear fields and that is I think a large part of the effect.
The effect can be further increased by increasing the non-linearity by winding it into a barbell shape where the windings at each end are either multi layered or at least not spaced so much.


There are 2 other considerations, you can use copper wire or steel wire, I happen to have ample supply of insulated steel wire to experiment with.
Steel wire carries different energy ranges.  You can also mix them both for a beneficial effect.


Thinner wire creates a more intense faster energy, so favor thinner wire within reason.
Also smaller diameter coils work better, so the bucking coil above is best if wound over a toothpick or something small.


If you want to make bigger coils or use thicker wires there are answers but it requires either an extra coil, or electric or magnetic fields.


John






Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on February 03, 2017, 02:37:50 PM
Today I very strongly believed in Aether22 and wound a coil according to his teachings. The longitudinal dimension of the four main turns is about 60 mm (or 2.4 inches). The thin wire used is insulated 0.5 mm2 copper wire (about AGW 20).

May be I will also try with very thin enameled copper wire, but this has to wait.

Mustering all my belief I could produce five times a strong beam which I managed to catch with my smart phone (see the attached photo). Then I was totally exhausted and had to rest a few hours. Be careful if you want to replicate such a coil, I warned you. It most likely will not work because your belief is faltering.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 04, 2017, 09:17:34 AM
Today I very strongly believed in Aether22 and wound a coil according to his teachings. The longitudinal dimension of the four main turns is about 60 mm (or 2.4 inches). The thin wire used is insulated 0.5 mm2 copper wire (about AGW 20).

May be I will also try with very thin enameled copper wire, but this has to wait.

Mustering all my belief I could produce five times a strong beam which I managed to catch with my smart phone (see the attached photo). Then I was totally exhausted and had to rest a few hours. Be careful if you want to replicate such a coil, I warned you. It most likely will not work because your belief is faltering.

Greetings, Conrad


More jokes.


For the record, the wire ends must be bent back to point at itself, not just bent.


Now actually see if you can feel energy coming out the top of it, I know you won't.
It might be subtle, and it might take a minute, it can help if you stab it towards your hand from above.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on February 05, 2017, 09:31:19 PM

For the record, the wire ends must be bent back to point at itself, not just bent.

Now actually see if you can feel energy coming out the top of it, I know you won't.
It might be subtle, and it might take a minute, it can help if you stab it towards your hand from above.

I know, I give up. I will never be able to tell a better joke than your words above.

May the primordial energy be with you.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 05, 2017, 09:59:49 PM
I know, I give up. I will never be able to tell a better joke than your words above.

May the primordial energy be with you.

Greetings, Conrad


Conrad, please tell me....


You made the coil to laugh at me no doubt.


But did you take the extra minute to see if you actually could feel something from it?


If you tried it and did feel it, and it was clear enough to be hard to reconcile with what you think is possible (hard to write off as the placebo effect)...
Then what?  Are you afraid of that?  Is that why you don't try it?


Or are you simply so closed minded to a possibility that you refuse to look into the new Galileo's telescope out of arrogance?
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on February 06, 2017, 06:49:49 PM


Conrad, please tell me....

You made the coil to laugh at me no doubt.

But did you take the extra minute to see if you actually could feel something from it?

If you tried it and did feel it, and it was clear enough to be hard to reconcile with what you think is possible (hard to write off as the placebo effect)...
Then what?  Are you afraid of that?  Is that why you don't try it?

Or are you simply so closed minded to a possibility that you refuse to look into the new Galileo's telescope out of arrogance?

I do not want to laugh at you. But I want to play back more or less what you are doing, like a mirror. It might open some eyes.

I did three tests:

- First with a coil wound according to your instructions.

- Then with a simple piece of wire.

- And finally with my laser pen (switched off).

And all three tests had the same result. If you hold any of the three objects long enough above the open hand you will get some very slight sensation. I think it is imagination. You also get this very slight sensation holding a finger from the other hand above the open hand.

Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with a specially wound coil. It is psychology or heat or imagination.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 06, 2017, 07:47:45 PM
@conrad


The key is to get this imaginary psychological heat
To drive a device
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on February 06, 2017, 08:15:06 PM

@conrad

The key is to get this imaginary psychological heat
To drive a device

And my point (or key) is that it has nothing to do with specially formed coils.

May be it is just "life energy" and it is best used breeding plants and animals, as farmers do already for a long time.

Many esoteric gurus claim that "technology" (devices, coils, gadgets) is not needed to do miracles. The wizard disappears form here and appears in another location without any device (if that really is possible). A Guru in India should levitate above ground (in the Lotus position) without any gadget (if he really can).

My problem with Aether22 is his coils. They are pointless if this energy he claims is really there.

May be all living entities are using this energy. Life is the device which is driven by this energy. Have a good life in accordance with nature. Technology might be an aberration prohibiting a good life.

See, I can also spin the esoteric approach if you want to hear it. But mixing esoterics and technology seems to be very very strange.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 06, 2017, 08:44:32 PM
Maybe, just maybe .....
If I have a few dozen followers that would climb a
Mountain. Sit around the curvature of a parabolic cliff
And I sat at the focal point


I too could levitate?


Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 06, 2017, 08:48:36 PM
Why did Egyptian workers sing or a man in Florida build a
Rotary device to cause specific frequency physical vibrations
The mechanical equivalent of a subwoofer


Just because we don't normally observe an effect
Does not mean that it cannot occur.


And don't think the wizard is all smoke and mirrors
Reappearing in another place can be quite painful.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 06, 2017, 08:54:57 PM
If this "energy" was , as you put it, everywhere and it doesn't matter
What the "object" is


Would it suffice to say, or rather suggest as a possibility,
That this energy could be focused or channeled in a specific direction
Or to a specific location?
Perhaps geometry may effect this?


Could there be electrostatic or electromagnetic effects?
Optical effects, atomic radiative interference patterns?
There are many things that are not taught to us in schools.
Some if even mentioned, are skipped over and hidden from discussion.


We don't inherently need a radioactive material to get a material to radiate.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: conradelektro on February 06, 2017, 09:38:31 PM
@sm0ky2 and all who take this thread seriously:

It is too much for me! Nobody seems to get the irony.

I promised once to leave this thread and broke my promise because it was just too tempting to reply to this utter nonsense with utter nonsense.

But now I will try harder to stay away. May the primordial energy save you.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 06, 2017, 11:22:44 PM

I do not want to laugh at you. But I want to play back more or less what you are doing, like a mirror. It might open some eyes.

I did three tests:

- First with a coil wound according to your instructions.

- Then with a simple piece of wire.

- And finally with my laser pen (switched off).

And all three tests had the same result. If you hold any of the three objects long enough above the open hand you will get some very slight sensation. I think it is imagination. You also get this very slight sensation holding a finger from the other hand above the open hand.

Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with a specially wound coil. It is psychology or heat or imagination.

Greetings, Conrad


Conrad, did I tell you to try it with other things?


There is a reason not to, you see the coil you made outputs a lot of this energy such that you can produce the effect with other objects in the area as the energy fills the area.


So the tests that you did likely would not have been so successful had you not first made my coil and had it around.


The energy in my fingers is massive from being exposed to this energy, and sometimes I get whacked from energy from an every day object that nails in an unpleasant way, the base of my laptop can do that.


In addition energy can set-up in space from an image and remain after the image is gone.


Last night I was trying to make ginger beer and I was swirling the sugar in a jar to get it to dissolve to feed the culture, I did this repeatedly and then felt a tingle in my arm, I felt around and found that the wobbling swirling motion had setup a persistent (I trust it's gone now) vortex in the aether, just a modest one but enough that I could feel.


Of course there is lots of energy around my house, so that's a reason, and I am extra sensitive now which is the other reason...


I did go into a store once and felt energy hit me from above, it was a fluorescent light, but as my body pumps with this energy it would have been both my sensitivity and my bodies energy intermingling with the light.


On another occasion I was in a supermarket and felt energy really obviously, took a while before i saw the cause, it was a person with really obvious skin cancer, that too somehow had an energy associated with it.


The point is that feeling energy from an everyday object is not a sign that this energy does not exist.  But my coil IS better at making it than those other objects and as such you should feel the energy from the coil more strongly, however peoples ability to feel energy varies greatly and not everyone's hands make the best meter, and sometimes even I "peg out" where I can't feel which of 2 different designs is strongest.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 06, 2017, 11:56:28 PM
And my point (or key) is that it has nothing to do with specially formed coils.

May be it is just "life energy" and it is best used breeding plants and animals, as farmers do already for a long time.

Many esoteric gurus claim that "technology" (devices, coils, gadgets) is not needed to do miracles. The wizard disappears form here and appears in another location without any device (if that really is possible). A Guru in India should levitate above ground (in the Lotus position) without any gadget (if he really can).

My problem with Aether22 is his coils. They are pointless if this energy he claims is really there.

May be all living entities are using this energy. Life is the device which is driven by this energy. Have a good life in accordance with nature. Technology might be an aberration prohibiting a good life.

See, I can also spin the esoteric approach if you want to hear it. But mixing esoterics and technology seems to be very very strange.

Greetings, Conrad


Conrad, this energy is clearly connected to what you could call life force energy, Chi, Kundalini, Orgone, or at least those are certain ranges of the energy...


And maybe you are right and it is best to live the natural life...  But that's not the way we want to go is it?


This technology might if we are not careful, hurt the life force energy...  But if we master it well then we can gain the results of mastery over it and so much more.


And yes there are ways to effect this energy without technology.  But that's not the solution I seek.


None of that is saying that the technology I have is not real, it is merely a  philosophical argument against technology, in which case please give you computer to someone less inclined to be a Luddite.
In truth with our technological society the way it is, going back to a less technological state would be massively destructive and is really not an option we need to see our way though and not turn back.


I am not saying that images or unpowered coils that influence an unseen energy is not absurd sounding, I know it is.  But it is not impossible or illogical, it is merely exotic.  Much like showing a cave man a radio.  He knows nothing of the basis if it's function but that does not make it's function impossible, but it still sounds absurd.


BTW there is one more comment I should have made in the previous post, but even the mind and intention can effect this energy.  That's right, the "imaginary" placebo effect is actually a real effect of the mind interacting with an unseen energy.  And that when someone feel something just by imagination that means that their mind has a powerful interaction with the aether.
Quantum physics experiments has found the mind can effect results, this is not a well researched area, but it is true.


The question is, what if the scientific method (if there is such a thing) has a blind spot and there are some valid discoveries to be made that it keeps us from making because there i a difficulty to detect and because the mind plays a part?   Just because it might make the research seem to be less on solid footing (it could all be in the mind) doesn't mean it is and does not mean the discoveries might not be utterly INVALUABLE!
It simply means only the brave (or foolish) and sure footed will go there, or maybe I should have used the skinny branch analogy?


In other words I get that what I am doing is not considered to be rigorous, and I know that it is extraordinary which makes it hard to believe, but none of that makes it false.
And if it is real, which I assert the evidence shows, however circumstantial and imperfect that evidence might be, it is PRICELESS and the sin of ignoring the breakthrough is so much greater than the sin of being wrong about something.



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 07, 2017, 12:20:06 AM
We don't inherently need a radioactive material to get a material to radiate.


Hi Smoky2, in the thread about the Chubinidze Coil, at first I was unclear on the geometry of the split Aluminium/steel tube, but then I recalled seeing such designs years ago...


And then I realized that this resembled one of the MANY techniques I had been recently studying, it was one of the stronger effects...


Then I went about trying to improve on the design, I posted my improvement, then read a post that had been made since and that post seemed to confirm what I had discovered!


So I had independently discovered this same effect in my work, and the good thing is that I had a pretty good idea as to how it worked and how to improve it!


This might be something to try as you said "Dave" had results, well I have discovered how to notably increase the power of this effect, albeit with making some maybe hard to make bends in the split tyibes, but worth a shot!
Even if the split tube does not work I made 2 other discoveries that can be used to increase the power of the effect, make the internal coil a "slightly" inductive coil which has mostly non-inductive turns, but with a few percent of the turns be unopposed.


The other discovery is to feed some of the energy coming from the gap into the aetheric oscillations I assert are taking place in a circular manner in the pipe.


Oh, and to increase the reflection from the split ends (not hair & not the band), this increases the Q of the aetheric tank circuit.


So this is promising, but what are the details of what Dave did?


Oh, and the coil that picks up the energy from the gap is best positioned to the gap as shown.
This image itself outputs energy that many could feel.


John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: Zephir on February 07, 2017, 01:06:30 AM
Just the people, who are interested about free energy physics seriously aren't interested about phenomena, which manifest itself with human feelings only. This is IMO the fundamental contradiction in subject of this thread.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 07, 2017, 01:38:31 AM
Just the people, who are interested about free energy physics seriously aren't interested about phenomena, which manifest itself with human feelings only. This is IMO the fundamental contradiction in subject of this thread.


Zephir, this does not "ONLY" manifest with human feelings.


Actually, first off "Feelings" is a bad word as it suggests this is about devices that have an emotional impact, and that is not it.


We are talking about a physical sensation that occurs with this technology.  That is not the "Goal" of this technology and not the only effect. What it is, is a way that people can know reasonably what is happening with this otherwise mysterious energy for which no practical and universal meter exists, they can manage this energy in a design and see if they get Free Energy etc...


Now while I wish I could present a useful empirical result that I can readily reproduce, so far anyway as my research has been limited to graphics and unpowered coils (both very passive) physical results have been infrequent but not unheard of.


One effect that I have had is spontaneous breaking of clear glass and clear which was under no stress and just goes "pop" because it is near an experiment.  However for obvious reasons (including the lens of my eye), I have chosen not to peruse that direction!


The point is that these principles I use are taken from successful Free Energy and Antigravity experiments, they are the key to this technology!


Now you can ignore this because feeling something is not rigorous enough for your liking and you don't trust your mind/experiences and want to have a totally solid footing...


But in that case you might not be built for exploring beyond what is known, to become a discoverer you must leave the familiarity of what is known.


What if my absurd sounding claims are true, and that the path I am illuminating is perhaps the best path we currently have to reach a level of technology that is astounding?


But you don't like it because it's not what you think it should look like?


When I got into this well over 2 decades ago now, I HATED the idea of the aether and this isn't how I wanted it to go.  Alas the universe works the way it works and not the way I want, it's not all a clean and empty mathematically pure universe.  yes that would be so much easier to understand!  But alas, space is filled with a plenum of "things" as science now confirms even though it can't explain them well.

I agree that they aren't interested.  But they should be!  Because the work we are trying to copy was often by inventors who did use this sensitivity to guide their experiments.


I think most people would rather have failure doing it the way they want, than have success doing it the way that doesn't appeal to them.


Actually you are right (or your wording was), this stuff does have an emotional "feeling" reaction, it makes many experimenters disgusted as they don't want to go there.  Neither did I!    But I have heard many say they no longer believe that free energy from strict electromagnetism is possible, and I agree!

John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 07, 2017, 03:53:51 AM
@sm0ky2 and all who take this thread seriously:

It is too much for me! Nobody seems to get the irony.


The irony is that I get your humor.


It's funny.


But the ability to make fun of something does not mean that thing is not real.


Comedy and ridicule are not means of divining reality.


Sure, if it lead to an impossibility that was funny, you could have a good chuckle, but there is no impossibility.


Are my claims absurd sounding?  Sure!  I agree!
They seem crazy, check.


Does that mean they are wrong?


Does Quantum physics not seem crazy?  Does special relativity with it's bending of space and time and things happening and not happening depending on your reference frame seem ridiculous?   How about this guy claiming that tiny invisible animals live on people, he clearly needs to go to the nut house!  I could go on!  note: I am convinced that Special Relativity is actually wrong.


Sometimes something that seems very unlikely and silly is actually a reality we have not been familiar with.


Now if I an wrong the a few people on this forum try my ideas and nothing comes of it, then the cost is small.
If however I am right and people don't try my ideas because it seemed foreign or not how they wanted the universe to work...  Or it wasn't a form of evidence they choose to accept...  Then a science that can help us reach the stars and protect life on and off earth is ignored because some people have limiting beliefs, humanity dies, perhaps the only life we are totally certain exists dies.  That is the ultimate cost and ultimate folly isn't it?


This is priceless if I am right.  I am not seeking payment, Just interested people who can feel the energy (which Conradelektro can!)and thereby prove it to themselves,


It costs nothing to experiment with this stuff (graphics, some spare wire) and promises the world, but if you can make some good jokes about it...


John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: Seeking4thetruth on February 07, 2017, 05:30:31 AM
If you're actually interested in Free Energy Physics, I recommend you to check the papers by this physicist:

http://vixra.org/author/fran_de_aquino
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 07, 2017, 06:02:08 AM
If you're actually interested in Free Energy Physics, I recommend you to check the papers by this physicist:

http://vixra.org/author/fran_de_aquino (http://vixra.org/author/fran_de_aquino)


I know of De Aquino.  I have nothing against him.


I see he has an interesting new theoretical paper about a gravity-electric generator, I will need to read it closer and hope it doesn't matter too much that I can't do justice to the equations.


But this is a theory he has.


What I have is not theory, I had at first correlation (which I would argue is distinct from theory) and personal experimentation which while [/font]technically subjective, does not feel subjective and if judged fairly would be concluded that it cannot be debunked based on any placebo type effect within any kind of reason as it has obvious and clearly observed effects on utterly unknowing people.[/font]

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So this means that my technology is what the work of so many other successful Free Energy experimenters is based on, where as Aquino's methods seem not to throw light on any of that and seem to be largely purely theoretical and untested.[/font]

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Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 07, 2017, 06:23:36 AM
I think it only becomes contradictory when someone tries to make
a mockery out of the situation.


It is not a requirement of the presenter to understand the physics
Of whatever this "energy" may be.


Once we are able to properly identify this "energy", only then can the
seriously interesting physics be discussed.


If one is the type of person to so easily dismiss an "energy" that requires
specific geometries to present itself, to the point of making fun of someone
Who tries to share this with them.......
I think that type of person should go into their kitchen
Unplug the microwave and just.... throw it out the window.
And probably find themselves something better to do with their time
Then to disrupt a thread with useless confrontation.



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 07, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
Smoky2, do you have any more details about your friend Dave who made a steel split pipe coil and got weird results such as magnetizing Aluminium?


I think I can make this and improve on the basic aetheric principles involved with relatively little trouble.


But currently my understanding is very vague.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 07, 2017, 09:41:09 PM
I invite him to comment further (I couldn't wait), but "bringdownthezog" was sent my images and said... "How cool is that! I tried the images and I can sense a slight pressure in my palm. Only my left hand. My right hand feels nothing; maybe because I wear a Lakhovsky coil on my wrist. No1 and No4 are really tingling. I could pick up the field easily without much effort. I've never seen anything like this in my entire life :) Regards."


If this were imaginary, wouldn't he be able to imagine it on both hands?
Or feel all images about the same as all would be powered by imagination?


Of course I have cases like the guy in the waiting room where the Placebo effect is no explanation.


While I don't deny the ongoing potential for confusion between imagined and real, this technology has clearly demonstrated evidence (if you take my word anyway) that cannot be explained away as in the mind, and it matches famous Free Energy and Antigravity claims...


So while this might not come in the form many would like, and while it looks a lot like work, this is exceedingly promising technology!


For so long I knew the aether was the key but my understanding was too limited and I couldn't feel the energy, so how to move forward?!


By I can give a way tio move forward, if you want me to explain the aether to the best of my reckoning, I can, if you want to experiment with it I can give you the techniques, and if you want to know how you are doing experimenting with it then just feel it or in the event you can't, ask family members or friends till you find someone who can.


This is like a slot machine I have been paying into for over 2 decades, it's ready to pay out soon, and I'm letting others play with me because I care more that someone wins than I care that it's just me.   Because I have been limiting myself to unpowered coils and graphics mostly, I have been virtually guaranteeing that I couldn't get any worthy result myself (outside of healing).


John












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Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 07, 2017, 11:49:24 PM
I wish I remembered his screen name on here , haven't heard from him
In years. Not sure if the guy even follows this forum anymore.
I was able to replicate some of his experiments.
Basically he created a circular PMM by using the curved end
Of steel tubes opposite the split. In a manner that allowed
propagation of the magnetic field to follow the tubes in a circle.
When under magnetic lock, all the tubes stuck together
There was, above the device, at or around then enter
A distortion to light that passed horizontally over the device.


Objects became paramagnetic when left in the gap for long times.
Even objects we think of as being non-magnetic
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 12:08:10 AM
I wish I remembered his screen name on here , haven't heard from him
In years. Not sure if the guy even follows this forum anymore.
I was able to replicate some of his experiments.
Basically he created a circular PMM by using the curved end
Of steel tubes opposite the split. In a manner that allowed
propagation of the magnetic field to follow the tubes in a circle.
When under magnetic lock, all the tubes stuck together
There was, above the device, at or around then enter
A distortion to light that passed horizontally over the device.


Objects became paramagnetic when left in the gap for long times.
Even objects we think of as being non-magnetic


Smoky2, that sounds wildly powerful!


I can't grasp your description, could you possibly draw it?  It could mean a LOT to me!


Also PMM seems to mean either Perpetual Motion Machine or Permanent Magnet Motor (possibly also a perpetual motion machine) or Pulsed magnet motor (presumed to be electromagnetic) depending on context, I remember using the shorthand many years ago then realizing that I didn't think the guy knew which P's and M's I meant!
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: allcanadian on February 08, 2017, 12:26:15 AM
@smoky2
Quote
I wish I remembered his screen name on here , haven't heard from him
In years. Not sure if the guy even follows this forum anymore.
I was able to replicate some of his experiments.
Basically he created a circular PMM by using the curved end
Of steel tubes opposite the split. In a manner that allowed
propagation of the magnetic field to follow the tubes in a circle.
When under magnetic lock, all the tubes stuck together
There was, above the device, at or around then enter
A distortion to light that passed horizontally over the device.


That sounds similar to the Trillies patent.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
Smoky2, was it by any chance Dave Squires?


I don't know if he had a handle that was different to his name, so maybe it was him?
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 02:37:37 AM
Smoky2, I realized there is a difference between "I don't understand your description" and "I am not sure if I have this right".


So here is my guess from your description..  Please tell me if this is it, close, or totally wrong?



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 02:52:32 AM
Smoky2, I realized there is a difference between "I don't understand your description" and "I am not sure if I have this right".


So here is my guess from your description..  Please tell me if this is it, close, or totally wrong?


I'm going to say totally wrong with respect to the trillies
As well as the second image.....


I could maybe draw it out later but I'll try for a verbal description


Stand all the pieces of tube upright in a circle
Sort of like the bottom half of the second image
Touch them together all except two. Leave a tiny gap.
Now wind two opposing coils linked in series.
One north and one south, wrapped around the tubes facing the gap
With a quick pulse from a battery, the tubes will magnetically lock
Just like Leedskalnin's PMM
You can cut the coils off or unwind them or leave them there
Magnetic current flowing through the metal will stay in
Perpetual motion until you break the loop.
When you break it, electromagnetic field will expand
Then collapse. Almost the inverse of the original pulse.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 03:27:04 AM

I'm going to say totally wrong with respect to the trillies
As well as the second image.....


I could maybe draw it out later but I'll try for a verbal description


Stand all the pieces of tube upright in a circle
Sort of like the bottom half of the second image
Touch them together all except two. Leave a tiny gap.
Now wind two opposing coils linked in series.
One north and one south, wrapped around the tubes facing the gap
With a quick pulse from a battery, the tubes will magnetically lock
Just like Leedskalnin's PMM
You can cut the coils off or unwind them or leave them there
Magnetic current flowing through the metal will stay in
Perpetual motion until you break the loop.
When you break it, electromagnetic field will expand
Then collapse. Almost the inverse of the original pulse.


Ok, so are there permanent magnets?  Are they inside the tubes pointing out radially?  And these comprise the rotor?


So there is some number of tubes and coils wound over the tubes with the coils wound over the gap in each tube, with alternating current direction in adjacent cylinder?


Here is another image, it shows vertical cylinders, with the splits pointing out, and coils wound on top of the cylinders over the gap, here shown as just the cross section by white bars at the sides of the coil.


You say the tubes/pipes/cylinders are touching, but if they have coils wound in the way it sounded than it would be the coils touching.


Also how many cylinders are there?


Is this a motor?   Is there a rotor with permanent magnets above or inside this thing?

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 03:28:47 AM
I am thinking maybe the guy is David Lambright?


http://overunity.com/9603/a-new-kind-of-visible-radiant-energy/ (http://overunity.com/9603/a-new-kind-of-visible-radiant-energy/)


Also when you say PMM, I wonder if you mean PMH, Perpetual Motion Holder, the name Leedskalnin gave to his closed soft magnetic circuit that would hold a magnetic field until the circuit was broken?
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 03:44:10 AM
No there are no magnets
It's a perpetual electric effect in the magnetic domain
The steel tubes act as magnets until you break the circuit
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 04:12:31 AM
No there are no magnets
It's a perpetual electric effect in the magnetic domain
The steel tubes act as magnets until you break the circuit


Ok, so the pipes have a split through them, and a coil is wound over them?  and they are in a circle?


Are they wound like this...


Note also, do they snap closed as shown? Did I represent the gap correctly?
If you don't remember the number, that's your best guess?  8?  12?  odd or even?
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 07:18:20 AM
Hahah


Sorry I don't mean to laugh it's just comical to see
Someone else's interpretation


Ok the first image on the left will work
The other two are not right take those coils off


Now why does the first one work?
Because one coil will centered opposite the gap
Will energize the single split tube, and if the gap
Is small enough yes it will snap shut
It would work better if you put two coils on the tube
One in each side of the gap
Twice the magnetic field.


But the other two images that show a bunch of wire
Is incorrect in principal. It will not work.
Take all of them off except the two tubes by the gap
All the other tubes should be touching each other
Now instead of trying to snap shut a single tube
Open the split so it does not close
And when you energize the two coils the gap in the larger
ring of tubes will snap shut.


Basically each tube conducts on their curvature inside the ring.
When you pull them apart later you get a pulse through the coils
That returns most of what you put into it.



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 07:21:06 AM
Small items placed between the gap when it snaps shut
Become magnetized. My theory is that microscopic pieces of
Steel or iron get imbedded into the material over time.
I had no real way to test this theory.
But I did have to odd experience of picking up aluminum and
plastics, wood, paper
With a magnet.



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 07:23:56 AM
It's not really the magnetic effects that I want to show you
That is really a different topic. Ed wrote books about it.


What Dave discovered was something to do with the
Geometry of the ring of split tubes


I guess it is somewhat derived from the magnetic current
Because the effects did not occur when it was deenergized.
But the geometry of that set-up does something to the light
Above the ring
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 07:26:53 AM
The two coils are wound opposite so one side N and
The other S facing across the gap.
You can even use a piece of paramagnetic material to
Close the gap with.
Ed's original PMM was a horseshoe magnet with its' keeper bar.
The difference with Dave's experiments, they were all done without
Magnets. Isolating the effect to a purely electromagnetic realm.
The magnetic loop keeps the paramagnetic material magnetized
Until you break it. Which can be years later, as one experimenter
proved.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 07:37:00 AM
I am confused, I think I have proven that.  20 images from me guessing which way to interpret ambiguous descriptions won't compare to you drawing what you mean.


All I am clear about (I think) is that there are multiple split cylinders standing up, I think in a circle.


And coils, somehow.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 07:41:22 AM
It's not really the magnetic effects that I want to show you
That is really a different topic. Ed wrote books about it.


What Dave discovered was something to do with the
Geometry of the ring of split tubes


I guess it is somewhat derived from the magnetic current
Because the effects did not occur when it was deenergized.
But the geometry of that set-up does something to the light
Above the ring


I very badly want to understand it, it sounds VERY relivant to my research!


So please, if you can spend some time in a paint program...
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 07:55:41 AM
Fair enough


Take the center image, remove all the coils except the two
By the battery
Now wire one up in reverse.
When you short the circuit the ring will lock

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 07:58:46 AM
And an after view
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 08:06:49 AM
I think this one is it then?


Also do you have a guess as to have many cylinders?


Interestingly I think I know exactly how and why this works!
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 08, 2017, 08:31:18 AM
Ok, I think I safely get it now.


I guess I could try different numbers of pipes.


I think that the coils are wrong as they need to be creating an attracting field surely, and I showed it in repulsion.


I didn't realize that there was no gap when magnetized.


So I think I can try this!


As the pipes/cylinders have nothing going on (no coils except 2), then I can try different numbers easily.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 09:14:57 PM
Yeah yur good with that last drawing
Except back the coils up a bit like its drawn on the left
 and coil them tight when you actually build it.
You want the coils to
face each other North and South.
And tape them on good so the coils don't move
You want the metal to attract

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 09, 2017, 09:38:21 AM
While I have not yet completed the setup, I have found something interesting.


If you take a cylinder with a split, the energy is more intense as the split narrows, and more intense if aluminium tape is put over the ends and even much of the gap so only a single spot remains, the whole device "breaths" in and or out (not sure if in?) through that uncovered spot, making for a much increased intensity.


I could be wrong, but I suspect the intensity (density) IS important as I suspect that the magic happens in part due to the aetheric energy moving through electric and or magnetic fields and ripping/mixing or "processing" the 2 energies until a hybrid energy is created.


John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 10, 2017, 01:23:50 AM
Yesterday I tried to make the "PMH" (Perpetual Motion Holder, actually just a demonstration of Hysteresis in crappy steel) by cutting steel pipe.


Alas my bench vice broke as I tried to squeeze the edges of the gap closer to closed :(


So I went with Plan B and bought 12 Dynabolts, these one had 2 different tubes around the main bolt[/size], one cut in the Dynabolt fashion (shapes cut out, 3 cuts in the bottom portion), and the other one which is is just what I am after, a tube with a gap... if a bit small...

Being lazy, I have not yet bothered to replicate the parts of "Mystery Dave's" experiment that were not needed, so instead of winding 2 coils. I only wound one...


And I happened to have the foreign non-magnetic material (a scratch and lose card McD's gave me) not placed next to the tube with the coil...


And I also made an improvement, I found that the field becomes more rotational and stronger if each tubes gap points to the tube next to it as shown in the photo's attached and if one of the Dynabolts is placed in the center.


If I don't get results I'll add the other coil and place the card between the 2 tubes with coils, I might even point the gap outwards which is what I think Dave did from Smoky2's description, though I'm not sure he specified that, so maybe that was just my assumption?


I'll give the card a day or 2 to magnetize, no idea how long was meant to be needed?


Anyway here are photos of the setup, oh and also a photo of a split tube with Aluminium foil both on the edged of the split to increase the reflection of the ends, and also over the gap and ends to increase the density of energy coming from the remaining gap.


The energy from this gap and large tube can be used to bring another tube up to a high state of oscillation, once a tube sets an aetheric oscillation up it persists for at least a while if not continuously.




Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 10, 2017, 06:23:43 AM
I have found that if you place straight lengths of wire or rod between the gapped tubes the energy increases, I already knew of the effect but I just verified the effect was not limited to the circumstance in which I first found it.


In addition I wound a coil and put it in a tube, and the energy increased a lot again!


Here is one example of straight rods connecting the tubes, in this example I only used 4 which is sub-optimal, but it still works nicely.


I also found that it is best if the white mass filling the pipe (ideally a coil) has a slit it it inline with the gap, likely this helps the energy exit, otherwise it might be that it also vibrates in the same manner.


Finally, putting a coil around it leads to a fast flowing aether stream in the wire.


Again many here could probably build this and feel the results.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 08:33:13 AM
Did the tube pieces magnetically lock together
When a short Pulse (D.C.) was placed across the coil?
Curious to see if you got one coil to work.
In theory it should (weakly).
In practice two coils are generally used.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 10, 2017, 08:37:15 AM
Did the tube pieces magnetically lock together
When a short Pulse (D.C.) was placed across the coil?
Curious to see if you got one coil to work.
In theory it should (weakly).
In practice two coils are generally used.


Yes it worked, they snapped together.


It would work stronger if I wound it over the whole piece.


Maybe I should.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 08:40:19 AM
I found Daves YouTube channel
https://youtu.be/_8X-kY1o1L0 (https://youtu.be/_8X-kY1o1L0)


I didn't replicate all of his work,
But I was able to verify some visual
Distortions.
(Magnetic refraction?)
And several magnetic anomalies
The tubes were just a small part of what he got into
His experiments literally transformed our knowledge
Of the PMH
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
I show this here becaus in an odd way I find the two
subjects to be closely related.  PMH's occur in nature
When there is a ferromagnetic loop and a magnetic flux.
The loop can trap the flux in a perpetual state.
When the loop is broken, the original flux is released.


It's amazing to realize that this just happens.
We have found PMH's to exist in steel door frames
Parts of elevator systems, giant sandstone outcroppings,
Piles of junk metal at the scrapyard accidentally PMH'ing
I wouldn't be surprised if there were an actual lifeform
That existed in this state.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 09:16:44 AM

Yes it worked, they snapped together.


It would work stronger if I wound it over the whole piece.


Maybe I should.


I think it works best when one coil is on the piece of tube
To the left of the gap
And an opposite coil is on the piece of tube to the right
This way when the coils are charged up, the magnetic
fields are facing each other n><s
This provides for a stronger magnetic current


As many PMH builders have shown, it can be done with
only one coil, or when you get good at it- with the brushing
or close passing by from a permanent magnet.


But I have found the double-coil set up provided by Ed
To create the strongest locking effect, and field return.
Which are the two primary criteria by which I measure
magnetic current (or quantity storage) in a PMH.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 09:45:44 AM
Eds energy he called "magnetic current"
And for all intensive purposes, it fits this name
So I choose to use it, even though mainstream
Science declares it not to exist.


We can see it working in the PMH.
It behaves exactly like electric current
Without the electric vector.
The inverse to electrical resistance is the
result of the phase transition 90-degrees.
Which manifests as magnetic attraction.
The magnitude of the attraction is the induction
Of the applied field. If this field was electric, as
done with a coil in a PMH- the math tells us exactly
The quantity of magnetic current to expect, by using
the materials constants of the inducing ferrite.


The problem science has is mostly conceptual.
There are two aspects to magnetic resistance.
And together they are 'backwards' to how we think
about electricity.
There is almost no resistance to magnetic current in
most ferrites. They are all magnetic superconductors.
Almost all of the resistance lies in the other aspect.
Which is the magnetic induction.
This is where the electric field is converted to the
magnetic vector.
In a normal ferrite the phase transition is a sinosoidal
Process. Electric to magnetic to inverse electric to
inverse magnetic. And the cycle repeats.


This is used in two forms:
a rod-type ferrite (open magnetic circuit)
Or a loop-type ferrite (closed magnetic circuit)
The second type produces less magnetic resistance
For reasons described above, which is why we use
Closed loop magnetic inductors. But I won't get too
deep into that, as it tends to stir emotions with the
Electronics guys....


Anyways, back to magnetic current.
When we induce magnetism into the ferrite
And it is near another ferrite it also causes induction
But the induction is inverse to the applied field.
This is an attribute of the space between them
Not the air or any physical thing.
When we start out with an open circuit
And the fields are facing each other
And induction is occurring
Not only from the electric field
But also from the magnetic domain
Via the spacing
That moment when they snap together
The electric vector phases in with the magnetically
Induced field on each end of the gap.
The magnetic circuit shorts out.
And current flows eternally like an electrical signal would
in a superconductor.
This magnetic current (I theorize) is the force that impels
microscopic particles of ferrite into the foreign object
placed in the gap.
There is a time-based factor involved. But I had not the
tools to examine the exact nature of changes taking place
Other than the objects became inexplicably paramagnetic.
As if alloyed with a ferrite.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 10:00:20 AM
At the same time, (actually 2-3 pages later in Ed's book)
We learned about negating the universal restriction
Generally attributed to spacial propagation
Otherwise known as:   c
Mind you, IBM had just announced, then quickly denounced
That they had done the same in the laboratory.
Aside from the millions in lab equipment and payroll
The only real difference between Ed's at home experiment
And what IBM was trying to do
Is that Ed taught us the on/off switch
IBM only observed the effects when they accidentally
Turned in on.
Then they would accidentally turn it off without knowing
How or why it would turn on or off.
They explained it as a wave propegation anomaly
and eventually stopped funding it.


But I took up the quest of understanding that part of things
and gave up on PMH research, I studied light.
What is light, what makes light
What makes light move at the speed of light
Why can magnetism and electricity move faster than light
But light can't. I was engrossed in this aspect of Ed's magnetism
 until I met Dave. He found a way
to link the two with his split tube device.
Ed told us they were all the same.
But now we can actually see how magnetic current changes the phase
Of incoming photons.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 10:24:10 AM
The thing with magnetic current
If it's not in an eternal loop, let's say
An open circuit, driven by an electrical source
The phase transition of the electric current into
The magnetic domain can set up magnetic currents
Through space. Think of it like a tiny wormhole
Between two points on you workbench.
Magnetic current travels through the space between
the two points. While this is going on, any impedance
that would normally be there electrically, goes away.
R=0 between these two points. Transmission is instantaneous.
The magnetic field in this current is the same as the field
That propagates ahead of a photon. The field the photon
'rides on' through space. This is what gives light the speed of c
The field itself propagates instantaneously, but the effects of the
flux caused by the field, occur at c


There doesn't need to be a wire to transmit magnetic currents!
And since we have unified the magnetic transition between electricity
and magnetic current.
Magnetic current and light
We can now propose that light can, create magnetic currents
If light from, say an image, were to converge in a certain way
Some distance from the source, and there was another source
A current could develop somewhere in the space between them.
I won't get into the electrostatic and electromagnetic effects of
screen technology, most of you won't even want to use your
computer anymore. That's like taking a magnet to a bowl of
Crushed up cherios or corn flakes....


This kind of thing could occur from reflections or shadows
Not to bring up the placebo thing again, but our human response
To visual ques is somewhat astonishing.
We can feel things we see
Especially when we don't know it's not real.
Then there's the whole cold water warm water thing
And the upside down eye glasses
A visual disturbance caused by magnetic currents
Could create a physical response, your mind expects something
to be there.
There could also be magnetic perception in your sensory system
A healthy human with enough iron in their blood, can detect fields.
Generally with their hands. Electric more strongly than magnetic, but
Both are reported.
Here we have two aspects of physical manifestation with no material matter.
What exactly is "matter"?
it's mostly empty space, nothing there but electric and magnetic effects.
and light, which is both.





Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Another aspect to consider is thermal conductivity
For the same reason a piece of metal may feel colder or
Hotter than the room it's in....
Magnetism can change the thermal conductivity of atoms
and molecules.
A magnetic current in the air could alter the thermal conductivity
of a space and make it feel warm or cold, depending on the
Temperature of the person and the room.
You can feel these tiny spaces with your fingers.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 10, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
I want to add something...


Smoky2, and I know he's not the only one says that feeling energy is not useful as evidence because he believes that the mind can "Imagine" sensations that are not occurring as a form of Placebo effect.


Now firstly, the mind is likely producing an energy sometimes when people feel something as intention can effect this energy, and things at the quantum level as demonstrated in Quantum Physics experiments.


But even if we concede that we can't trust physical sensations fully, does that mean we never use the sense of touch of feeling in our world to get around and do things?


In the same way people can see things that aren't there, but do we disregard sight?


And audio hallucinations exist.


And we can make mistakes in our thoughts and be deceived...


So why do I trust my life to my ability to drive when I could imagine the physical sensations, sights and sounds and even thoughts and screw up and die and kill others?


It's not even that I can claim these things could only happen to other people, I have "looked but not seen" before.


The reason we still use our senses, our mind even though our whole reality is subjective is because even though in some cases our senses can be fooled (we have all seen images designed to create visual illusions) is because it works most of the time.


Feeling energy from my images and coils is the same way, sometimes it might be too subjective...
Sometimes people might even imagine feeling a sensation that isn't created by my methods, or even create or change an energy with their mind.


But overall most people who can feel the energy are indeed feeling something that is actually there and the feedback they get from feeling is of use.


It just so happens that at this point in time the most important technological discovery we need to master requires trust in ones own senses as we do not yet have a suitable technological means to measure this energy well.


As for magnetic currents, I do think that there is an aetheric energy flow along magnetic fields lines, a magnetic current if you will.
And I do think that the aetheric current and the magnetic current can intermingle.


I still would say that while an interesting technique, the phenomena of a closed magnetic circuit with notable hysteresis maintaining a magnetic field is really not that extraordinary and does not need any special current to explain it.  Still I think one exists and when this energy is ejected out of an locked magnetic circuit and in doing so a pulse can be released that has extraordinary qualities as Norman Wootan has repeatedly found, it can couple into distant electrical components giving a powerful surge.  It's more than just conventional EMF.









Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: endlessoceans on February 10, 2017, 10:55:52 PM
Interested in free energy physics???

NO Not really.  Absolutely worthless without a working prototype.  If this forum doesn't need anything else it is more worthless talk.  Go to the bench and follow scientific process....develop and theory....build a model....examine....establish whether theory right or wrong.....if wrong...start again....if correct THEN and ONLY THEN REPORT RESULTS.

This forum has thousands and thousands posts of worthless crap and nobody test the crap before posting.

Less talk....more testing. 

Considering there is no free energy model yet then there is no free energy physics.  Just dreaming and wank.

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 10, 2017, 11:19:25 PM
Interested in free energy physics???

NO Not really.  Absolutely worthless without a working prototype.  If this forum doesn't need anything else it is more worthless talk.  Go to the bench and follow scientific process....develop and theory....build a model....examine....establish whether theory right or wrong.....if wrong...start again....if correct THEN and ONLY THEN REPORT RESULTS.

This forum has thousands and thousands posts of worthless crap and nobody test the crap before posting.

Less talk....more testing. 

Considering there is no free energy model yet then there is no free energy physics.  Just dreaming and wank.
Endlessoceans, you couldn't be more wrong.


You see first off what I am presenting is not just talk, I am presenting experiments that people can do and prove to themselves.


But moreover I am suggesting an approach that has great promise.


What you fail to grasp most of all is the reason for the epic failure that is the Free Energy, Antigravity and general fringe research communities.


And the reason is that replicated things tend often not to work, things are hard to repeat, even the original discoverer can have a phenomena they have trouble or can't repeat.


And the reason for this is that the science behind these devices IS NOT based on conventional phenomena!  That is why the results break the rules!


There are LOTS of designs out there!  We don't need more!


What we need is an understanding of how they work and if we are going in the right direction seemingly when we make a change!


Consider the cargo cults making things that look kinda right, but their radios and planes don't work!
They replicate just the outside appearances, they replicate the parts they understand, but show utter ignorance of how these things work.


That is what most are doing in Free Energy by not understanding the underlying mechanism at work!


Could a plumber before electricity accidentally create an electrical circuit and observe strange (to him) effects?


Sure!


Could another plumber try and replicate it, but make small unintentional and unknowing changes such as non-conductive connections, water without salt or other electrolyte, not using suitable metals to create a current etc...


If the anomalous effects were just assumed to be a result of plumbing and there was no understanding of electricity, the odds of successful replication are LOW!


I'm not asking anyone to take this on faith.  If someone can feel the energy and know it works, I can show them how to create it, explain how it works and point to evidence of these principles in use in various Free Energy designs.  I want people to experiment with this not talk about it!


So I don't have a design since what I have can likely make a lot of (genuine) designs already out there work!


John



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 11, 2017, 12:00:13 AM
Let me make it simple.


Question #1, Is it reasonable that my extraordinary claims about effecting some under-explored esoteric energy is genuine?
Answer: Such an energy has a long and well established tradition in every culture and has much scientific evidence backing it up, and my own results (unless you accuse me of lying) cannot be explain away entierly as Placebo effect.    So yes it is reasonable and even able to be established to be very likely/certain.  And as I only want to collaborate with those who experience the energy to a level they are personally confident in it's existence, then this is a resounding Yes.


Question #2, Is it reasonable that this energy is responsible for Free Energy?
Answer: Yes, there is ample evidence including the fact that my own results are based on researching such claims.  There are many points to back this up.


Question #3, Is it reasonable that if 1 and 2 are presumed true, that my research might help notably increase the odds of success?
Answer: While it is possible that my research might be incomplete and not offer immediate results, it seems exceedingly likely that by understanding and feeling how this energy is functioning in a design should improve the odds of success.


So while it could lead to quick and extraordinary results, or it might be a somewhat longer path, and to a large extent that is down to participation and luck.


But it is a way that has real promise.

Will it deliver?  Especially since I can guarantee anyone will adopt it, I can't say, but it could.
And everything done in this realm is automatically "Successful" in an aetheric sense.


Which is to say that as all aetheric research is novel and helps gain further understanding, it is all useful, where a conventional Free Energy device attempt that does not work is utterly useless.


So is this a waste of time?  In a field that has been an abject failure chasing its tail?
Because I am only seeking those who can feel the energy, then it is for them clearly a novel approach and if they are as I ask truly "Interested in the underlying physics of Free Energy" then even this line of investigation even without a Free Energy result could gain valuable discoveries and uses.


This is not for those seeking the sure thing, the easy result. This is not for someone who wants to go to wallmart to buy a Free Energy generator.
What I have is for those who want to be pioneers, a new Volta, Ampere or Gauss.
Of course by adding these principles to a straightforward Free Energy generator might result in instant and rapid extraordinary results, even without the ability to feel if lucky.

But I can assure those who take this on, you will have a road map, you won't be chasing your tail (but the energy might)!


John
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: allcanadian on February 11, 2017, 07:21:58 AM
@endlessoceans
Quote
Considering there is no free energy model yet then there is no free energy physics.  Just dreaming and wank.


Of course there is a free energy model and physics to back it up.


Can you see the stars at night?, every star is not unlike our Sun which is a quite ordinary and a fairly small star in reality. Not unlike our Sun every star radiates massive amounts of energy. Our Sun has radiated energy into space for around 4.5 billion years in every direction and the extremely small portion which strikes the Earth is around 174 quadrillion watts.


Now the obvious question is where did all that Electromagnetic Energy covering most of the EM spectrum from out little star and the trillions of other stars out there go?. If Energy is conserved then logically Energy must be everywhere in everything... this is our model. If you need proof simply look up on a clear night... all those stars is your proof.


The physics are not complicated and we know for certain the universe is full of EM Energy and matter is as well. Nuclear fission liberates Energy from matter and in the future fusion will be able to liberate this same energy from ordinary matter just like our Sun. However the supposedly free energy we are concerned with is a little different. Just to recap, the sun and stars prove the universe is full of energy and nuclear fission physics proves matter is full of energy... are we good so far?.


So obviously we have no shortage of energy because we have absolute proof beyond all shadow of doubt we are swimming in a sea of Energy... end of debate. Now to say we can never get at this Energy is absurd because not long ago we were rubbing two sticks together to light fires and now we have nuclear power. Conservatively speaking this transformation of technology occurred over the last 200 years. 200 years... so where do you think we will be 200 years from now because I can assure you everything will change.


In a nutshell there is no overunity or underunity there is only Energy. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed it can only be transformed. So we are simply speaking of finding new ways to transform energy we know as a fact is present everywhere. As I said in the last 200 years we went from campfires to nuclear fission and now solar energy is cheaper than oil and gas. The reason we are here is because we have come to understand there are easier cheaper ways to transform energy. Not a big deal and I thought it was obvious that at some point we would create better energy technologies. Everything is always changing so why would anyone assume it wouldn't?... it makes no sense.


Volta's battery, Faraday's mutual induction, Tesla's polyphase motor/generators and Einstein's E=mc^2  were just dreaming and wank then they made it real and so will we. So please fasten your seat belt and ensure your tray is in the upright position because this ride you call your life is going to get a little bumpy in the near future.


AC



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 11, 2017, 07:27:52 AM
Ed wrote his book before most of us were born.
Scientists today still don't understand it.
But there are things science has learned from it
And those things don't fit into our current model.
I use the term magnetic current to describe the work
Of Ed.
When you break the PMH, two beams (maybe waves)
are released. 180-degrees out of phase and travel linearly
Into infinity. And seem to go through anything that is not
Ferrous, or magnetic.
Copper, aluminum, silver, gold and certain platinum group metals
Can experience electric induction in the path of these emissions


Ed teaches us how to establish these currents through the air
In a permanent and intentional manner.
Like switching it on and off.
But these are much more than "feelings"


Let's take your coils for example. Or a physical structure of some sort
That represents a 3-d model of your images.
Now if these things can be made to emit this "energy"
It stands to reason that a similar device or an inverted one?
Could receive the "energy".


Have you experimented with using one thing in conjunction
With a second thing to try and capture the "energy"?

Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 11, 2017, 07:37:11 AM

You see first off what I am presenting is not just talk, I am presenting experiments that people can do and prove to themselves.


John


Suppose I lacked the particular senses required to "feel" this.
Or perhaps i am not susceptible to the hallucinatory response
These images and shapes instill upon certain types of people.


What experiments can I do to prove this "energy" exists?
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: allcanadian on February 11, 2017, 09:27:53 AM
@smoky2
Quote
Ed wrote his book before most of us were born.
Scientists today still don't understand it.
But there are things science has learned from it
And those things don't fit into our current model.
I use the term magnetic current to describe the work
Of Ed.


I think they do fit into the current model however it is dependent on the observer/scientists perspective. Nobody likes that guy rocking the boat unless there rocking it to.

AC
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 11, 2017, 10:19:23 AM

Suppose I lacked the particular senses required to "feel" this.
Or perhaps i am not susceptible to the hallucinatory response
These images and shapes instill upon certain types of people.


What experiments can I do to prove this "energy" exists?


It's not hallucinatory, again people have reported feeling a sensation without any knowledge of what caused it.


You might lack the ability to feel it, though MOST people can, there is a non-trivial minority that don't feel it.


As for experiments you can do otherwise, I do have only one idea, and that is to expose yourself to certain images for some period (hours to a few days) and then expose yourself to a different batch.


One batch will likely have you feeling incredibly wiped out and needing to go foe a sleep after a while.


The other will re-energize you.


How fast this happens I am not sure as I had been exposed to one type for weeks on end as I made them stronger, getting more and more tired.


As for more empirical effects, these can be gained I have no doubt if you have a Gas Discharge Visualization device.


Also even without the ability to feel it yourself you could easily find others who can feel it, and based on their ability to identify blind where the energy is from you could gain confidence in it's reality.


You could also try methods used by Joseph Parr (measuring slight resistance changes in a do nothing coil) etc...
Or Patrick Flanagan's method with a pancake coil wound of lamp cord passing very slight leakage current between the 2 coils.


I have also heard of another device that was silk covered bifilar coil that passed different current amounts.


There is also the glass breaking effect I found, which while not "reliable" and certainly to a degree dangerous, it might be an effect you could replicate.


Mainly though I am not looking for people who can't feel the energy.


And if you have some psychological hang up that makes you decide that energy that we can feel but can't reliably measure by scientific means should not be studied by the non-technological means "at hand" then this isn't for you.


However there is one last option, and while hugely flawed as a strategy if you can't feel the energy, you could listen to what I say, ask me more, ask me about the techniques and then employs these techniques in your experimentation that you were going to do anyway.


Because the principles I have discovered can be easily employed in a regular experiment you would build anyway.


John





Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 11, 2017, 10:26:06 AM
AC, I agree this is a life purpose, a calling not hobby.


BTW can you point me to info on your 10W Faraday cage busting circuit?




Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 13, 2017, 08:54:34 PM
I don't mean hallucinatory by means of something you
Believe in or even know about.
I'm thinking more in terms of like a mirage in the desert.
Or the heat waves on a long summer highway


All but a small insignificant minority of people respond to
Commercials. And after viewing some images or sounds,
 go out and buy things with their hard earned
Money for no logical reason at all.
Billions of $ in research have gone on to understand this
And even more spent on using it effectively.


If your technology really creates phenomena in Human Subjects
I am sure we can find "something" useful to do with it...


All morality aside....  please tell me about the experiences of
Unsuspecting Subjects in your "waiting room", that were subjected
To this "energy".
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 14, 2017, 06:05:41 AM
I don't mean hallucinatory by means of something you
Believe in or even know about.
I'm thinking more in terms of like a mirage in the desert.
Or the heat waves on a long summer highway


All but a small insignificant minority of people respond to
Commercials. And after viewing some images or sounds,
 go out and buy things with their hard earned
Money for no logical reason at all.
Billions of $ in research have gone on to understand this
And even more spent on using it effectively.


If your technology really creates phenomena in Human Subjects
I am sure we can find "something" useful to do with it...


All morality aside....  please tell me about the experiences of
Unsuspecting Subjects in your "waiting room", that were subjected
To this "energy".


I never intentionally subjected people as a test, though I am willing to try...


But the occasion you are referring to was when I gave a coil to a friend, he had it in his pocket and when he was in a waiting room a person he was sitting next to could feel it in his foot and asked what he had in his pocket beaming energy at his foot.


I have had several other instances, though none as "perfect" as that where someone has felt something with seemingly insufficient information for them to feel it as a placebo effect.


I sometimes feel something and don't know if it's a "normal" thing like a cobweb or yet of air, or if it is energy, sometimes the energy feels distinct, other times (but seldom) it seems like regular sensations and if you feel it then you have to investigate to see which it is.


Perhaps when if feels like regular sensation that would be a good time to hunt for a physical effect.


Another time I was building a coil and someone walked past and felt energy brush their leg, this person was a stranger and had no knowledge of my work.


There is a test I could do, there are some forms of the design that make people very tired, aI could test that, and then the reverse form to wake them up.


I have at times also tested  myself with blind tests and I can identify the energy.  Albeit I am somewhat weary of such experiments because this energy is effected by the subconscious and it is possible that the mind could effect the energy and the ability to feel to "corrupt" the results, still the best way to do such a thing I think would be to have a bar of wood, about one hand span wide and 6ft long, people who can feel energy could scan their hand along the bar and place a marker where they feel the energy.


This seems the best kind of test as it does not create an expectation of one place for people to visualize energy, but unlike a large wall they don't have too much area to try and feel to be practical.


I have however made images, both looking about identical but one being subtly sabotaged, people did feel the difference between them, but it was not done as a proper test.


One person I have given images to who could feel them tried to move then to a place on the screen they don't know (unclear how they did that) and feel blind where they are, and that worked for for him.


John



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 14, 2017, 06:38:46 AM
I would be interested in focusing on the effect itself
In its most prominent state.
The 'feelings' or sensations associated with it
At this point conjecture and explaination of the why's
Are not important.
Most people don't know why seeing that little teddy bear
Hug a towel makes them go out and buy some dryer sheets...


But they do it. That is what's important.
The 'beam' thing is interesting.
Is there a way to aim multiple 'beams' at a single target?
Does this increase the effects?
If enough of this "energy" is in one place,
Could there be yet unseen manifestations?


Perhaps a social experiment of large scale
Like aim it so it forms an invisible wall.
Then observe as random people try to 'feel' out this wall.
Ponder the situation, then the majority of them
Will probably choose a different path to get around it.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 14, 2017, 07:40:12 AM

>Is there a way to aim multiple 'beams' at a single target?


Yes, and the energy will be stronger and compressed.

>Does this increase the effects?
>If enough of this "energy" is in one place,
>Could there be yet unseen manifestations?


Could be, one of the main correlations I have found about how to get this energy to do something is for it to build up to a compressed state.
But then we are moving into the area of trying to generate obvious effects, which is my preferred direction.

>Perhaps a social experiment of large scale
>Like aim it so it forms an invisible wall.


I beam would be easier, but sure.

I have considered doing such an experiment.  It would be best in a waiting room type area where people have time to observe rather than hurriedly walk by ignoring anything they do feel.


But up to this point I have not tried such an experiment.  I could make a much stronger energy with electrical input, that is what I meant to look into today but got distracted.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 14, 2017, 08:49:04 AM
What about without any sort of input
Maybe one thousand of your coils
All aimed at one focal point
And from this focal point experiments
Could be performed.


For me, the effects must be observable
In some obvious way
Human sensations don't really count in my book
We need empirical evidence
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 14, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
On the other hand, if our goal was to manipulate the masses.....
Then human sensations DO count.......
You may have stumbled into something that has
Profound implications in the advertising industry
Imagine "feeling" a beam of energy coming from your toy.
Even while it sits on the shelf waiting for you to walk past
And this caused you to buy the toy.
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 14, 2017, 09:33:22 AM
What about without any sort of input
Maybe one thousand of your coils
All aimed at one focal point
And from this focal point experiments
Could be performed.


For me, the effects must be observable
In some obvious way
Human sensations don't really count in my book
We need empirical evidence


The easiest way to make it stronger is to improve the technology.
I could more easily make a 1,000 times more powerful coil.


However someone who didn't feel energy won't likely feel it still.


But someone who can feel energy will go "whoa, that's a lot stronger".
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 14, 2017, 10:30:52 AM
On the other hand, if our goal was to manipulate the masses.....
Then human sensations DO count.......
You may have stumbled into something that has
Profound implications in the advertising industry
Imagine "feeling" a beam of energy coming from your toy.
Even while it sits on the shelf waiting for you to walk past
And this caused you to buy the toy.


I think this technology can be put to slightly bigger goals.


It might be possible to market it as some kind of spiritual energy device.
Alas, to do that is as much about the marketing as it is about anything else.


While you might discount stuff you that might be felt, my best hope is a few others won't be so cynical of human sensation as a meter and will feel the energy and be interested, demeaning to know how it works.


Otherwise it's back to the grind stone to try and crack this wide open.



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 15, 2017, 09:02:19 AM
If the sensations were empirical- meaning everyone felt them
In the same manner, every time.....
Then this method of research may prove useful.
Otherwise the entire concept parallels with experiments
On social behavior and/or psychology.


Personally I think product packaging that could be "felt"
While a consumer is walking down the aisles of a store
Would be an invaluable technology, likely to make you
the next "Bill Gates".


Even if it only works on 96.4%
Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: aether22 on February 16, 2017, 01:07:19 AM
IMO empirical does not mean perfect consistency.


Rather it means objectively provable by data.


So if a test was conducted and those who said they could feel the energy were able to a high or even perfect degree able to identify where the energy is in a blind test... Then that would be empirical data by my reckoning.


After all 100% of people wouldn't feel regular sensations the same (some are less sensitive to regular sensations), and if you asked people to read the value of a meter, analog or digital they might not give the same answers, vision issues and dyslexia aside some will read the values differently (different angle on the analog meter, or read the lower of higher values in a changing digital meter).


But we don;'t write off all forms of measurement just because there is some degree of variation.


In the same way we all know that visual hallucinations or mistakes can be made, but we still trust our sight.


So while I agree that there is more "work" involved turning this into an empirical result with just sensation, and I might even be disinterested in the prospect, but still it can be empirically validated with just subjective sensation).


John



Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: E_man on February 24, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
In spite of I am new in this thread, i am seriously interested in Free Energy Physics spec of solid states.
After several years research I believe that OU phenomenon can occur in non linear systems only.
IMO main equation of magneto dynamics is Phi=LI. Because of non/linear behavior of ferromagnetic materials this equation is
Phi=L(i)*I(L) as we see on our oscilloscopes also.
So we can this equation rewrite to Phi(t)=L(t)*I(t).
We all knows (I believe) that by Faraday law inducted EMF = -dPhi/dt = -Phi'
Further we can make derivation of Phi'= L(t)*I(t)'+ I(t)*L(t)'
and we see, we have possibilities to modify behavior of our circuits during increasing Phi and decreasing one.
IMO this is way to OU.
 


Title: Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2017, 08:29:56 PM
In spite of I am new in this thread, i am seriously interested in Free Energy Physics spec of solid states.
After several years research I believe that OU phenomenon can occur in non linear systems only.
IMO main equation of magneto dynamics is Phi=LI. Because of non/linear behavior of ferromagnetic materials this equation is
Phi=L(i)*I(L) as we see on our oscilloscopes also.
So we can this equation rewrite to Phi(t)=L(t)*I(t).
We all knows (I believe) that by Faraday law inducted EMF = -dPhi/dt = -Phi'
Further we can make derivation of Phi'= L(t)*I(t)'+ I(t)*L(t)'
and we see, we have possibilities to modify behavior of our circuits during increasing Phi and decreasing one.
IMO this is way to OU.


Does this imply that inductance changes with current, such that the product of the two
is always: 1.6180339887?