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Offline aether22

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2017, 09:17:34 AM »
Today I very strongly believed in Aether22 and wound a coil according to his teachings. The longitudinal dimension of the four main turns is about 60 mm (or 2.4 inches). The thin wire used is insulated 0.5 mm2 copper wire (about AGW 20).

May be I will also try with very thin enameled copper wire, but this has to wait.

Mustering all my belief I could produce five times a strong beam which I managed to catch with my smart phone (see the attached photo). Then I was totally exhausted and had to rest a few hours. Be careful if you want to replicate such a coil, I warned you. It most likely will not work because your belief is faltering.

Greetings, Conrad


More jokes.


For the record, the wire ends must be bent back to point at itself, not just bent.


Now actually see if you can feel energy coming out the top of it, I know you won't.
It might be subtle, and it might take a minute, it can help if you stab it towards your hand from above.

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2017, 09:31:19 PM »

For the record, the wire ends must be bent back to point at itself, not just bent.

Now actually see if you can feel energy coming out the top of it, I know you won't.
It might be subtle, and it might take a minute, it can help if you stab it towards your hand from above.

I know, I give up. I will never be able to tell a better joke than your words above.

May the primordial energy be with you.

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2017, 09:59:49 PM »
I know, I give up. I will never be able to tell a better joke than your words above.

May the primordial energy be with you.

Greetings, Conrad


Conrad, please tell me....


You made the coil to laugh at me no doubt.


But did you take the extra minute to see if you actually could feel something from it?


If you tried it and did feel it, and it was clear enough to be hard to reconcile with what you think is possible (hard to write off as the placebo effect)...
Then what?  Are you afraid of that?  Is that why you don't try it?


Or are you simply so closed minded to a possibility that you refuse to look into the new Galileo's telescope out of arrogance?
« Last Edit: February 06, 2017, 01:38:40 AM by aether22 »

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2017, 06:49:49 PM »


Conrad, please tell me....

You made the coil to laugh at me no doubt.

But did you take the extra minute to see if you actually could feel something from it?

If you tried it and did feel it, and it was clear enough to be hard to reconcile with what you think is possible (hard to write off as the placebo effect)...
Then what?  Are you afraid of that?  Is that why you don't try it?

Or are you simply so closed minded to a possibility that you refuse to look into the new Galileo's telescope out of arrogance?

I do not want to laugh at you. But I want to play back more or less what you are doing, like a mirror. It might open some eyes.

I did three tests:

- First with a coil wound according to your instructions.

- Then with a simple piece of wire.

- And finally with my laser pen (switched off).

And all three tests had the same result. If you hold any of the three objects long enough above the open hand you will get some very slight sensation. I think it is imagination. You also get this very slight sensation holding a finger from the other hand above the open hand.

Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with a specially wound coil. It is psychology or heat or imagination.

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2017, 07:47:45 PM »
@conrad


The key is to get this imaginary psychological heat
To drive a device

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2017, 08:15:06 PM »

@conrad

The key is to get this imaginary psychological heat
To drive a device

And my point (or key) is that it has nothing to do with specially formed coils.

May be it is just "life energy" and it is best used breeding plants and animals, as farmers do already for a long time.

Many esoteric gurus claim that "technology" (devices, coils, gadgets) is not needed to do miracles. The wizard disappears form here and appears in another location without any device (if that really is possible). A Guru in India should levitate above ground (in the Lotus position) without any gadget (if he really can).

My problem with Aether22 is his coils. They are pointless if this energy he claims is really there.

May be all living entities are using this energy. Life is the device which is driven by this energy. Have a good life in accordance with nature. Technology might be an aberration prohibiting a good life.

See, I can also spin the esoteric approach if you want to hear it. But mixing esoterics and technology seems to be very very strange.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2017, 08:44:32 PM »
Maybe, just maybe .....
If I have a few dozen followers that would climb a
Mountain. Sit around the curvature of a parabolic cliff
And I sat at the focal point


I too could levitate?


Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2017, 08:48:36 PM »
Why did Egyptian workers sing or a man in Florida build a
Rotary device to cause specific frequency physical vibrations
The mechanical equivalent of a subwoofer


Just because we don't normally observe an effect
Does not mean that it cannot occur.


And don't think the wizard is all smoke and mirrors
Reappearing in another place can be quite painful.

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2017, 08:54:57 PM »
If this "energy" was , as you put it, everywhere and it doesn't matter
What the "object" is


Would it suffice to say, or rather suggest as a possibility,
That this energy could be focused or channeled in a specific direction
Or to a specific location?
Perhaps geometry may effect this?


Could there be electrostatic or electromagnetic effects?
Optical effects, atomic radiative interference patterns?
There are many things that are not taught to us in schools.
Some if even mentioned, are skipped over and hidden from discussion.


We don't inherently need a radioactive material to get a material to radiate.


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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2017, 09:38:31 PM »
@sm0ky2 and all who take this thread seriously:

It is too much for me! Nobody seems to get the irony.

I promised once to leave this thread and broke my promise because it was just too tempting to reply to this utter nonsense with utter nonsense.

But now I will try harder to stay away. May the primordial energy save you.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2017, 11:22:44 PM »

I do not want to laugh at you. But I want to play back more or less what you are doing, like a mirror. It might open some eyes.

I did three tests:

- First with a coil wound according to your instructions.

- Then with a simple piece of wire.

- And finally with my laser pen (switched off).

And all three tests had the same result. If you hold any of the three objects long enough above the open hand you will get some very slight sensation. I think it is imagination. You also get this very slight sensation holding a finger from the other hand above the open hand.

Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with a specially wound coil. It is psychology or heat or imagination.

Greetings, Conrad


Conrad, did I tell you to try it with other things?


There is a reason not to, you see the coil you made outputs a lot of this energy such that you can produce the effect with other objects in the area as the energy fills the area.


So the tests that you did likely would not have been so successful had you not first made my coil and had it around.


The energy in my fingers is massive from being exposed to this energy, and sometimes I get whacked from energy from an every day object that nails in an unpleasant way, the base of my laptop can do that.


In addition energy can set-up in space from an image and remain after the image is gone.


Last night I was trying to make ginger beer and I was swirling the sugar in a jar to get it to dissolve to feed the culture, I did this repeatedly and then felt a tingle in my arm, I felt around and found that the wobbling swirling motion had setup a persistent (I trust it's gone now) vortex in the aether, just a modest one but enough that I could feel.


Of course there is lots of energy around my house, so that's a reason, and I am extra sensitive now which is the other reason...


I did go into a store once and felt energy hit me from above, it was a fluorescent light, but as my body pumps with this energy it would have been both my sensitivity and my bodies energy intermingling with the light.


On another occasion I was in a supermarket and felt energy really obviously, took a while before i saw the cause, it was a person with really obvious skin cancer, that too somehow had an energy associated with it.


The point is that feeling energy from an everyday object is not a sign that this energy does not exist.  But my coil IS better at making it than those other objects and as such you should feel the energy from the coil more strongly, however peoples ability to feel energy varies greatly and not everyone's hands make the best meter, and sometimes even I "peg out" where I can't feel which of 2 different designs is strongest.

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2017, 11:56:28 PM »
And my point (or key) is that it has nothing to do with specially formed coils.

May be it is just "life energy" and it is best used breeding plants and animals, as farmers do already for a long time.

Many esoteric gurus claim that "technology" (devices, coils, gadgets) is not needed to do miracles. The wizard disappears form here and appears in another location without any device (if that really is possible). A Guru in India should levitate above ground (in the Lotus position) without any gadget (if he really can).

My problem with Aether22 is his coils. They are pointless if this energy he claims is really there.

May be all living entities are using this energy. Life is the device which is driven by this energy. Have a good life in accordance with nature. Technology might be an aberration prohibiting a good life.

See, I can also spin the esoteric approach if you want to hear it. But mixing esoterics and technology seems to be very very strange.

Greetings, Conrad


Conrad, this energy is clearly connected to what you could call life force energy, Chi, Kundalini, Orgone, or at least those are certain ranges of the energy...


And maybe you are right and it is best to live the natural life...  But that's not the way we want to go is it?


This technology might if we are not careful, hurt the life force energy...  But if we master it well then we can gain the results of mastery over it and so much more.


And yes there are ways to effect this energy without technology.  But that's not the solution I seek.


None of that is saying that the technology I have is not real, it is merely a  philosophical argument against technology, in which case please give you computer to someone less inclined to be a Luddite.
In truth with our technological society the way it is, going back to a less technological state would be massively destructive and is really not an option we need to see our way though and not turn back.


I am not saying that images or unpowered coils that influence an unseen energy is not absurd sounding, I know it is.  But it is not impossible or illogical, it is merely exotic.  Much like showing a cave man a radio.  He knows nothing of the basis if it's function but that does not make it's function impossible, but it still sounds absurd.


BTW there is one more comment I should have made in the previous post, but even the mind and intention can effect this energy.  That's right, the "imaginary" placebo effect is actually a real effect of the mind interacting with an unseen energy.  And that when someone feel something just by imagination that means that their mind has a powerful interaction with the aether.
Quantum physics experiments has found the mind can effect results, this is not a well researched area, but it is true.


The question is, what if the scientific method (if there is such a thing) has a blind spot and there are some valid discoveries to be made that it keeps us from making because there i a difficulty to detect and because the mind plays a part?   Just because it might make the research seem to be less on solid footing (it could all be in the mind) doesn't mean it is and does not mean the discoveries might not be utterly INVALUABLE!
It simply means only the brave (or foolish) and sure footed will go there, or maybe I should have used the skinny branch analogy?


In other words I get that what I am doing is not considered to be rigorous, and I know that it is extraordinary which makes it hard to believe, but none of that makes it false.
And if it is real, which I assert the evidence shows, however circumstantial and imperfect that evidence might be, it is PRICELESS and the sin of ignoring the breakthrough is so much greater than the sin of being wrong about something.





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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2017, 12:20:06 AM »
We don't inherently need a radioactive material to get a material to radiate.


Hi Smoky2, in the thread about the Chubinidze Coil, at first I was unclear on the geometry of the split Aluminium/steel tube, but then I recalled seeing such designs years ago...


And then I realized that this resembled one of the MANY techniques I had been recently studying, it was one of the stronger effects...


Then I went about trying to improve on the design, I posted my improvement, then read a post that had been made since and that post seemed to confirm what I had discovered!


So I had independently discovered this same effect in my work, and the good thing is that I had a pretty good idea as to how it worked and how to improve it!


This might be something to try as you said "Dave" had results, well I have discovered how to notably increase the power of this effect, albeit with making some maybe hard to make bends in the split tyibes, but worth a shot!
Even if the split tube does not work I made 2 other discoveries that can be used to increase the power of the effect, make the internal coil a "slightly" inductive coil which has mostly non-inductive turns, but with a few percent of the turns be unopposed.


The other discovery is to feed some of the energy coming from the gap into the aetheric oscillations I assert are taking place in a circular manner in the pipe.


Oh, and to increase the reflection from the split ends (not hair & not the band), this increases the Q of the aetheric tank circuit.


So this is promising, but what are the details of what Dave did?


Oh, and the coil that picks up the energy from the gap is best positioned to the gap as shown.
This image itself outputs energy that many could feel.


John

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Re: Is anyone seriously interested in Free Energy Physics?
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2017, 01:06:30 AM »
Just the people, who are interested about free energy physics seriously aren't interested about phenomena, which manifest itself with human feelings only. This is IMO the fundamental contradiction in subject of this thread.


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« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2017, 01:38:31 AM »
Just the people, who are interested about free energy physics seriously aren't interested about phenomena, which manifest itself with human feelings only. This is IMO the fundamental contradiction in subject of this thread.


Zephir, this does not "ONLY" manifest with human feelings.


Actually, first off "Feelings" is a bad word as it suggests this is about devices that have an emotional impact, and that is not it.


We are talking about a physical sensation that occurs with this technology.  That is not the "Goal" of this technology and not the only effect. What it is, is a way that people can know reasonably what is happening with this otherwise mysterious energy for which no practical and universal meter exists, they can manage this energy in a design and see if they get Free Energy etc...


Now while I wish I could present a useful empirical result that I can readily reproduce, so far anyway as my research has been limited to graphics and unpowered coils (both very passive) physical results have been infrequent but not unheard of.


One effect that I have had is spontaneous breaking of clear glass and clear which was under no stress and just goes "pop" because it is near an experiment.  However for obvious reasons (including the lens of my eye), I have chosen not to peruse that direction!


The point is that these principles I use are taken from successful Free Energy and Antigravity experiments, they are the key to this technology!


Now you can ignore this because feeling something is not rigorous enough for your liking and you don't trust your mind/experiences and want to have a totally solid footing...


But in that case you might not be built for exploring beyond what is known, to become a discoverer you must leave the familiarity of what is known.


What if my absurd sounding claims are true, and that the path I am illuminating is perhaps the best path we currently have to reach a level of technology that is astounding?


But you don't like it because it's not what you think it should look like?


When I got into this well over 2 decades ago now, I HATED the idea of the aether and this isn't how I wanted it to go.  Alas the universe works the way it works and not the way I want, it's not all a clean and empty mathematically pure universe.  yes that would be so much easier to understand!  But alas, space is filled with a plenum of "things" as science now confirms even though it can't explain them well.

I agree that they aren't interested.  But they should be!  Because the work we are trying to copy was often by inventors who did use this sensitivity to guide their experiments.


I think most people would rather have failure doing it the way they want, than have success doing it the way that doesn't appeal to them.


Actually you are right (or your wording was), this stuff does have an emotional "feeling" reaction, it makes many experimenters disgusted as they don't want to go there.  Neither did I!    But I have heard many say they no longer believe that free energy from strict electromagnetism is possible, and I agree!

John

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