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Offline LibreEnergia

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #90 on: March 13, 2017, 09:37:49 PM »

Did you watch the video / videos ?  @  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eg7kk_magnetshield-1_tech

Please be so kind as to understand the presented materials before commenting next.

Yes, I watched this, and it proved absolutely nothing.  I'll repeat my statement for clarity. "There is no such thing as a magnetic shield". 

This includes arranging any static combination of permanent or electromagnets OR moving such an arrangement in a way to try and create a NET magnetic force for a system that cycles between two states. (as you are trying to achieve).


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Re: Magnet force shield
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #91 on: March 13, 2017, 11:10:07 PM »
@LibreEnergia

I understand your agreement with convention.

Since you have insisted upon useing your own misleading phrase "magnetic shield"
and you did not respond in any detail to my clairifying statements theres no
conversation / discussion here.

and your off topic.


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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2017, 02:16:49 PM »
@All readers

Given below as 3 PNG files, are some details of the
interactions in the last video / link I posted

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eg7kk_magnetshield-1_tech

These interactions have also been detailed in various
arrangements in this and others of the related topics.

              best wishes
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2017, 02:57:11 PM »
Here is a design for neutralizeing the magnetic force,
with an attraction based output.

These designs, devices and inventions are given into the public domiain.

note...since these are devices intended to give OU, one can reasonably assume they are
not previously pattented ?

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2017, 03:05:08 PM »
Note...

I hve not put this last design (shielding with attraction as output) on the bench for testing yet.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2017, 03:05:08 PM »
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Offline dieter

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2017, 03:20:59 PM »
Thanks for sharing these very clear drawings. I've seen the vid, which is impressive. Also in the light of Luc's latest measurements, very promesing.


I wonder how would you implement the work cycle in a rotor, or are you preferring a piston design (which would be much simpler I guess)?

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2017, 03:12:03 AM »
Hi Dieter

         I'm still looking at the design @

http://overunity.com/17070/all-magnet-motor-td-based/

         I have some of the materials for a test build.
         
         I need to wet cut some ceramic magnets on
         the diamond wheel.
         
         Modify / cast some plastic gears (2 crown and 2 pinon gears)

         But for now I'll stick with the linear motion sets.
...     
                              my  projects

         Installing some flooring (paid project).

        I would like to do a full measurement set for Gotoluc's design (scaled down) ....
        before doing measurements of any of my new designs.   
                                               But first I'll need to ...
  detail / ask Luc to  check out  the magnet start and finish positions for that measurement process.

        There is yet another 3 magnet interaction set I want to diagram.
       
        I want to redo / finish the next section of the "Magnets Motion and Measurement"
        book / topic...... how to integrate a magnet force that is changing with distance and
        how to calculate the work done as joules and so on ................

                         regards

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2017, 03:12:03 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2017, 03:19:44 AM »
addendum

One more drawing for the attraction based output design....

        thanks Dieter
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #98 on: March 22, 2017, 07:37:42 PM »
Too bad that magnetic lines of force cannot be actually shielded permanently, only guided. Temporarily it's possible to achieve everything, but you must be pretty fast - faster than the speed of EM wave spreading in material given.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #99 on: March 25, 2017, 02:08:11 AM »
If I were about to measure the forces, I would first build a vertical version, containing a track for the shield magnet, sliding on soap or teflon. So the shield can be dropped in from above. Then the shield could also be suspended on a thread, hanging downd from a balance, containing a counterweight, so the gravitational weight of the shield can be reduced to eg. a few grams. Will it slide trough? How much weight is required. Adjustable track, so the optimal arrangement can be found. The push force of the stacks could be measured over a pulley. How much weight can it lift for the same distance?


Something like that.


Experimenting with a reluctance swith, I have just learned that iron "conducts" magnetism much better than a permanent magnet. You would think a PM in a gap of a core is inxreasing the permeability, but actually the opposite happens, esp. with eg Ferrite PM. Seemingly the can transport only a rather low magnetic strength, maybe limited by their own PM strength, way below saturated iron that easily reaches 2 Tesla.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #99 on: March 25, 2017, 02:08:11 AM »
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Offline dieter

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2017, 02:17:31 AM »
Sorry about the typos. I can't edit it.

Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #101 on: March 25, 2017, 06:14:34 AM »
Quote from Zephir

"Too bad that magnetic lines of force cannot be actually shielded permanently, only guided. Temporarily it's possible to achieve everything, but you must be pretty fast - faster than the speed of EM wave spreading in material given."

End quote

@ Zepher

I don't understand your statement.

Even a helmet struck with a base ball bat does not actually shield the wearer's head. The force is only guided,
      also  again
I don't understand your statement.
What does  faster have to do with this ?

              thanks
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@ Dieter

Quote from Dieter

"If I were about to measure the forces, I would first build a vertical version, containing a track for the shield magnet, sliding on soap or teflon. So the shield can be dropped in from above. Then the shield could also be suspended on a thread, hanging downd from a balance, containing a counterweight, so the gravitational weight of the shield can be reduced to eg. a few grams. Will it slide trough? How much weight is required. Adjustable track, so the optimal arrangement can be found. The push force of the stacks could be measured over a pulley. How much weight can it lift for the same distance?

Something like that."

END QUOTE

   I do it like this @

http://overunity.com/14311/work-from-2-magnets-19-output-2/msg487779/#msg487779
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QUOTE FROM Dieter

Experimenting with a reluctance swith, I have just learned that iron "conducts" magnetism much better than a permanent magnet. You would think a PM in a gap of a core is inxreasing the permeability, but actually the opposite happens, esp. with eg Ferrite PM. Seemingly the can transport only a rather low magnetic strength, maybe limited by their own PM strength, way below saturated iron that easily reaches 2 Tesla.

END QUOTE

I started this topic in 2013 but never got back to it.  I decided to work with the magnets only/

http://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg354318/#msg354318



Not worried about typos
                    regards
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #102 on: March 25, 2017, 08:29:45 PM »
That's some intetesting plans there, reads like a patent.


Of course, your test installation doesn't require my advice. When it comes to testing, I really use what's at hand, like wood, cardboard, glue and of course sticky tape. As long as it does the job.


But I wish I had the time, patience and resources to do that like in your pictures.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #103 on: March 25, 2017, 09:01:46 PM »
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I have just learned that iron "conducts" magnetism much better than a permanent magnet

This is logical and it's how the magnetization curve of ferromagnetic materials works. The permanent magnet operates at the upper side of saturation curve, when the material already stops to behave ferromagnetically.

Quote from: Floor
I don't understand your statement.
It's (hopefully) explained here up to some point.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2017, 01:44:02 PM »
Here is a design for neutralizeing the magnetic force,
with an attraction based output.

These designs, devices and inventions are given into the public domiain.

note...since these are devices intended to give OU, one can reasonably assume they are
not previously pattented ?

                       floor

I love the drawings and tested 2 of them but got some unexpected forces that
do not agree with the implications of the drawings and the video you posted
here http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eg7kk_magnetshield-1_tech

Anybody else have results to report?

Norman

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2017, 01:44:02 PM »

 

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