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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2017, 02:04:23 AM »
@Webby1   and   citfta

Thanks for your inputs.  Yes I'm committed to doing good science.

Although things have gotten much better than they once were here at O.U......

Once bitten twice shy. 

I'm still sometimes in too much of a defensive mode, here (others are as well I think).
Many trolls are highly knowledgeable, and effective.
A two week long multi troll siege on ones topic is not much fun.

I prefer to keep my topics available to the non expert ( as I am non expert myself).
This presents its own kinds of  difficulties. 

A lot of non expert people don't get it that science's methods are so that we might
arrive at the facts / truth.

I welcome expert advice, expertly, non expert presented. smile

                             best wishes
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Re: Magnet force shield
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2017, 08:37:07 PM »
Hi Floor, haven't been here for a while. Good to see you're on to something.


If you consider polar attraction/repulsion and field alignement as two seperate forces then this may indeed open up many "nonconservative" opportunities.


For instance the angular alignement force or torque generated when you try to push together two magnets with parallel poles, is defined by their strenght. If you allow the magnet to twist only by 90 deg., then you can pull these magnets appart without force, other than to overcome gravity, where the mentioned torque is not dependant on or linked to the physical weight of the magnet, in fact it may be much stronger.


Probably I misunderstood "TD", but I see a potential there. In both, shielding (tho not in the simple way some think) and torque versus attraction discrepancy.
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2017, 04:04:29 PM »
@Dieter

Yes, long time no see.  Good to hear from you.

TD stands for "twist drive".  That original  experiment / design led to an
understanding, which allowed things to evolve into what I call the "pass through versions".

All though the two designs may seem almost unrelated... the underlying
cause of the differences between the work in and work out are the same reasons.

Its something of a contradiction in terms.... to call on over unity device inefficient, but  if
I compare the original "TD" design to the "pass through versions", that word is what
I'm left with.

There are  lots and lots of drawings / descriptions on the (related topics).  All of these recent
presentations have been done on the fly, so there are  plenty of mistakes and misstatements
in those topics.  Some of them remain unaddressed, sorry.

The forum member GoToLuc did a really great set of presentations, and we shared in
some of the most recent discoveries./ co discoveries.

I left the math / force integration and explicit / precise measurements behind at a certain
point in time, just so I could focus on design evolution.  I realize that another round
of precise measurements should to be forth coming.

Those related topics are listed (above some where) in this topic.

                    regards
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2017, 11:09:33 PM »
Yes I've seen those vids by GotoLuc (tho I frequently fall asleep due to his voice, but that is an other issue).


As you seem to be into magnetic shielding, I'd be glad if you take a look at my shielding challenge in my "Searching for Buddy..." thread, tho, no strings attached etc. ^^
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2017, 08:44:11 PM »
Maybe we can continue this topic on a general level about all aspects and findings about shielding.


I am currently confronted with that, once again ^^


Well isn't it that we all wish we had a shield that shields, but is not ferromagneticly attracted by the magnet it should shield? Not only because of the huge losses by the coghing.


So that is on mY wishlist. But how to achieve it. Let's see. Probably I could use several layers, alternating thick diamagnetic layer, thin ferrogagnetic layer, and by doing so, compensate the attraction. Only diamagnetics are very week, at least the available materials.


What diamagnetics do we have anyway? I got some pyrolytic graphite here, is there something better?

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2017, 09:28:27 PM »
Yes I'm committed to doing good science.

Once bitten twice shy. 

I'm still sometimes in too much of a defensive mode, here (others are as well I think).
Many trolls are highly knowledgeable, and effective.
A two week long multi troll siege on ones topic is not much fun.

I prefer to keep my topics available to the non expert ( as I am non expert myself).
This presents its own kinds of  difficulties. 

I welcome expert advice, expertly, non expert presented. smile

Sinc you are committed to doing good science, I dare to present some good science about magnetic shielding:

http://www.magnetic-shield.com/pdf/how_do_magnetic_shields_work.pdf

I cite from this document: "Magnetic shielding materials re-direct a magnetic field so it lessens the field's influence on the item being shielded. Shielding does not eliminate or destroy magnetic fields, nothing does."

http://www.magnetic-shield.com/pdf/will_magnetic_shield_block_the_fields_effects.pdf

I cite from the document: "There is no known material that blocks magnetic fields without itself being attracted to the magnetic force. Magnetic fields can only be redirected, not created or removed."

There you find many good articles:

http://www.magnetic-shield.com/faqs-all-about-shielding.html

I hope you are not offended by some real science. You may call me troll, but you should read good science. It might help you to avoid years of useless work. Sorry for my trolling. I may look like an attack, but my intention is charitable.

I always hope for good arguments against well known science. But since I read the OU Forums I only have seen childish misconceptions. And the reason for this stupidity is because the "inventors" have not read the most simple science books or articles. One has to know what is allready known before going beyond.

Greetings, Conrad
« Last Edit: February 10, 2017, 01:52:12 AM by conradelektro »

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2017, 10:07:23 PM »
I've seen those vids by GotoLuc (tho I frequently fall asleep due to his voice, but that is an other issue).


Hey, maybe you've found a new use for my videos!


Doctors could use them to treat sleep deprivation ;D


Luc




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Offline dieter

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2017, 10:10:07 PM »
Well, Conrad, I've been there may years ago. But the simple matter of truth is that there's more to it, things beyond the standard teachings and simplifications for economical reasons.


You can shield a magnet with an other magnet in repulsion mode, that will no longer attract it. A combination of both can nullify that force. And that goes for both sides of the shield, independently. Then there are also diamagnetics, some new nanotube materials with cpmpetitive strengths may be soon available.


Yes, what goes in must come out, however, there may be a way to sneak out.

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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2017, 10:17:04 PM »
[/font]Hey, maybe you've found a new use for my videos!Doctors could use them to treat sleep deprivation ;D  Luc
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They're totally useful and prescription free ^^ But seriously I like your videos a lot. So, this wasn't meant disrespectful.

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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2017, 10:40:00 PM »


Sinc you are committed to doing good science, I dare to present some good science about magnetic shielding:

http://www.magnetic-shield.com/pdf/how_do_magnetic_shields_work.pdf

I cite from this document: "Magnetic shielding materials re-direct a magnetic field so it lessens the field's influence on the item being shielded. Shielding does not eliminate or destroy magnetic fields, nothing does."

http://www.magnetic-shield.com/pdf/will_magnetic_shield_block_the_fields_effects.pdf

I cite from the document: "There is no known material that blocks magnetic fields without itself being attracted to the magnetic force. Magnetic fields can only be redirected, not created or removed."

There you find many good articles:

http://www.magnetic-shield.com/faqs-all-about-shielding.html

I hope you are not offended by some real science. You may call me troll, but you should read good science. It might help you to avoid years of useless work. Sorry for my trolling. I may look like an attack, but my intention is charitable.

I always hope for good arguments against well known science. But since I read the OU Forums I only have seen childish misconceptions. And the reason for this stupidity is because the "inventors" have not read the most simple science books or articles. One has to know what is allready known before going beyond.

Greetings, Conrad



Let me just remind everyone that for more then 100 years those who have learned "good science" have not come up with anything new to replace fossil fuel.

It's also a shame that the established "good science" can't even explain electricity, gravity or magnetism after studying it for more then a century.

It continues to fascinate me how those who claim "good science" can keep their head up so high even if they fail to explain the above three effects.

I just don't get it!... could it be they want us to be like them so we can also fail?

Regards

Luc

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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2017, 10:43:40 PM »

They're totally useful and prescription free ^^ But seriously I like your videos a lot. So, this wasn't meant disrespectful.


Yes, I know and why I added a smiley face


Regards


Luc

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2017, 11:15:16 PM »
Let me just remind everyone that for more then 100 years those who have learned "good science" have not come up with anything new to replace fossil fuel.

It's also a shame that the established "good science" can't even explain electricity, gravity or magnetism after studying it for more then a century.

It continues to fascinate me how those who claim "good science" can keep their head up so high even if they fail to explain the above three effects.

I just don't get it!... could it be they want us to be like them so we can also fail?

Yes, you are right "good science" does not know most of the world, but that is not a secret and every "good scientist" knows the very narrow limits.

But have you ever seen a good answer to your big questions in any of the OU forums or in any of the OU books and articles?

I have nothing against looking for new answers, but please do not announce OU or anything new before you really have it. The so called "inventors" in the OU forums always claim something without delivering anything useful. The only things I ever saw were unsubstantiated claims and most of them were pretty stupid, fodder for wishful thinkers.

So for once please deliver or be humble enough to admit that you have no answer either. I really do not like claims which are not supported by facts. Words cause warm air or take up space in a useless post but never generate energy.

You may wish, dream, hope or believe whatever you like. But all this is useless without facts. Please do not mix dreams and facts. The result is nonsense.

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2017, 11:31:16 PM »
I have to say, trough the various failures of me and others I have learnt much more than from the textbooks. I agree, none should sell (figuratively or literalry) a theory as a working prototype.


It is true that there is real junk science in this field. The whishful thinking followers are naive and have to learn their lesson.


But the fact that the deceivers lie does not automaticly mean everything else is true, such as the statement "there is no free lunch". The whole universe is one free lunch, waiting for being harvested.

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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2017, 11:41:02 PM »
Yes, you are right "good science" does not know most of the world, but that is not a secret and every "good scientist" knows the very narrow limits.

But have you ever seen a good answer to your big questions in any of the OU forums or in any of the OU books and articles?

I have nothing against looking for new answers, but please do not announce OU or anything new before you really have it. The so called "inventors" in the OU forums always claim something without delivering anything useful. The only things I ever saw were unsubstantiated claims and most of them were pretty stupid, fodder for wishful thinkers.

So for once please deliver or be humble enough to admit that you have no answer either. I really do not like claims which are not supported by facts. Words cause warm air or take up space in a useless post but never generate energy.

You may wish, dream, hope or believe whatever you like. But all this is useless without facts. Please do not mix dreams and facts. The result is nonsense.

Greetings, Conrad

thanks for an honest reply.

We are on the same page. I also dislike all the BS claims going around and try to avoid getting involved in such things. Much of my research are my own ideas. So I can only talk about my own experiments and feel over the years I've tried to do the best of my ability to build and test ideas and devices I put forward with measurement data.
If I make a claim that becomes proven wrong I do admit my error and correct the details provided through video or forum topic.

Have a look at the my newest device I've built and presently testing at this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlDMY1iE5A

Regards

Luc

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2017, 12:26:02 AM »

Have a look at the my newest device I've built and presently testing at this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlDMY1iE5A

Regards, Luc

@Luc,

I think that you have to take time into consideration. If you want a self turning machine, you have to do "work", to apply "force" is not enough. Force has to be applied longer than zero seconds in order to do work (something useful).


========= this post is wrong from here on =============

work = force * time      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)

So, here comes my reasoning (why your measurement is inclomplete and why therefore your conclusion is wrong):

Yes, there is about 500 gramms force in the linear direction (lets call it fl)
Yes, there is about 300 gramms force in the rotary direction (lets call it fr)

But one has to know how long ("time") each "force" has to be applied in order to do the neccesary "work". "Work" is what has to be compared.

I have not figured out yet how you could incorpoarte a "time" measurement in your (very nicely crafted) machine.

One has to find:

tl = time neccesary to do the linear movement
tr = time necessary to do the roation

And then you can ask the real question (how much "work one needs to do" for each of the two movements, lets call it wl and wr)

Is             wl = fl * tl             smaller, equal or larger than         wr = fr * tr             ?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Force is nice but you have to apply it for some time in order to do useful work! (Basic physics as tought in high school. But may be the oil industry has bought all schools and this standard science could be wrong. Or I am a troll paid by the men in black.)

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