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Offline norman6538

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2017, 11:28:36 PM »
CORRECTION  the OU ratio is 4.75. I made a mistake on the spread sheet, sorry.
Much better than I thought.

YEAH Floor,

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2017, 11:28:36 PM »

Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2017, 12:14:58 AM »
@Norman6538

Quote from Norman6538

"I have seen too many well build devices that did not work that were a waste of time ....... "

" ...... I hope to have measurement numbers within a day if not too swamped."

End quote

                                               Understood
...............................................

I have done some tests with the repelling magnets and a stack between, but only
while using wider magnets than in the drawings.


I'm going straight on toward the all-magnet-motor @

                        http://overunity.com/17070/all-magnet-motor-td-based/

I have some of the most difficult to acquire materials for that on hand,
but not all of them.

           I may  be away from the topics for some days.
                               lets keep on it.
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Offline norman6538

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2017, 01:20:17 AM »
Recent tests show that the magnet stack does not kill all of the repelling force so my measurements are wrong. I can't believe how that magnetic force gets through the magnet stack. One would think if would flow into the flux flow like "current flow" in a stream of water.

Very disappointed.

Norman   

Offline webby1

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2017, 01:54:03 AM »
Indeed Norman,, magnetic fields are sneaky :)

Try adjusting your distances of operation.

Also remember that the field is a sphere,, not just pointing out one end and kind of turning around,, but rather connected TO the other end, if you squish that sphere to hard it will bend around that point,, like a balloon.

Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2017, 05:27:52 PM »
@all readers

          Please find the    "RtAngSld.png"   file below.

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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2017, 05:27:52 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2017, 06:40:11 PM »
@Noirman6835

I think you are one of a mere handful of people on the entire planet,
who has has given the time to actually understand the principles of the
twist drive. (I think ?).

But I'm the one that's feeling slammed at this point.  Think about this please !

Your "disappointment"s are a bad reflection on this topic.

Dude, 
Prove / demonstrate the precision that your test device is capable of delivering.
I expect that I have to prove my devices and so on.  It has to be this way.
                     Show us that device in great detail.
                                        I have to
                    Show us how it functions.
                                        I have to.
                   show the actual methods you use in measuring (in detail).
                                        I have to.
Give clear and detailed explanations.
                                       I have to, or else my observations / claims
                                       are a waste of  the readers time.

Facts are what science is about, whether validating or invalidating. 

Otherwise the posting of the results you are "disappointed" with, are more
detrimental to the topics,  than even if you had either,  posted clear evidence
contradicting my own measurements, or not posted at all.

This is the third time, since I have been associated with you on the O.U. forum
that I have said this to you in one way or another.  It's not a slam, it whats I need
from you, its what a scientific en devour requires.

Your congratulation are not a validation, when / if  people think they are coming
from some one who doesn't really understand the subject any way. 

I think you HAVE understood the magnet interactions. 

My goal is to make it, so that a lot of people have understood them. 

I'm not (in this topic) trying to prove any thing, nor am I looking for
replications per say.  I'm looking toward that 100th monkey, that is all.
I'm guessing that most people understand the "100th monkey thing".

By the way

Congratulations on being monkey number four or five out of many many millions !
               Best wishes
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2017, 01:53:22 AM »
@ all readers

Here are some links to demonstration videos on this stuff.

                                    @         http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978

There are  TWO OTHER VIDEOS there, which describe the test device.
One is titled                          "magnet force test"  @          http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4p1ome_magnet-force-test_tech
The other is titled                 "newTD2"                  @         http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4phd00_newtd2_tech
All three videos were done by me under the user name " seethisvid" .

Here is a link to related work done by "GoToLuc"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmCQVg9qRmQ

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Re: Magnet force shield
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Offline norman6538

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2017, 02:18:40 AM »
Floor attached is your drawing that I made and tested. I was hoping that the magnet stack would turn off and on the repel forces but it does not.
I wanted to turn the repel force off and on to get net work.

Norman


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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2017, 03:24:01 AM »
@Norman6835

Quote from Norman6823

"Floor attached is your drawing that I made and tested. I was hoping that the magnet
 stack would turn off and on the repel forces but it does not.

I wanted to turn the repel force off and on to get net work."

End Quote

Yes I see......  a partial, of a drawing .... I drew .....  and I hear you say that you "tested" it.
........................................................................
                               BUT
I went ahead and tested a thin magnet shield configuration for my self.  I did this
only because of some of your statements here.  My observations are the ( RtAngSld 3-1.PNG ) file above.

On a basis of Knowledge.... I fully expected my test would contradict what your statement
                              "the repel force is not turned off"
                                             seems to imply.

                            What I found,  flat out contradicts what is implied in that part of your statement
        "........ the magnet  stack would turn off and on the repel forces but it does not."

Your claim a fail.... and that statement implys that the principle I demonstrate is invalid.

You still haven't show us your measuring device or how it was used....
                                                     or
                            for that matter any measurements. 
 
At this point,  I don't believe that you actually have a valid method and / or test device ... at all.

You should have been clear that it is your methods and test device that are the fail, and that they
cannot yield any more valid information than ...... that your methods were a fail.

                           Please stop posting on this topic.
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2017, 03:50:50 AM »
@all readers

That png file  "RtAngSld 3-1" again here below.

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Offline webby1

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2017, 09:14:48 AM »
I would suggest that you ask for any persons that are trying there own builds to supply the test setup and numbers,, good, bad or ugly.

Rough, crude tests are fine providing that on repeat runs the numbers are reasonably close,, 5 to 10 runs with a deviation on the numbers of less than say 5% would be a great data set,, 10% variance not so good,, 25% is not useable really.

I tend to throw out most "good" numbers and focus on the bad ones, that leads to a faster understanding, and with magnets,, well learning that it is a closed sphere is not so easy for most.

Remember that you do not have a monopole.

Remember that it is force and distance,, and with magnets sometimes as the distance changes the force interactions can do funny things.

With all that being said,, do not worry about these magnets pushing apart,, only look at the cost to remove the "shield" magnet and reinstall the shield magnet,, just sayin :)

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2017, 12:35:55 PM »
Webby1 if you look at a recent video Floor posted it clearly shows the force to remove and reinsert the shield magnet is zero "IF" the other magnets are properly aligned.  If they are off by only a few degrees then there will be some force either repelling the shield magnet or attracting the shield magnet.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978

Respectfully,
Carroll

Offline norman6538

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2017, 02:12:41 PM »
Floor, I did a very simple test. The 1st attached photo has 2 repelling magnets in a rectangular tube and you can see the one is lifted up by the repel force to a gap of about 2 inches.. I then placed the magnet stack in between the two magnets and the top magnet  does not drop down.

The second photo shows the magnets clamped in place with a magnet stack between them. When the top clamp is removed the top magnet goes up clearly meaning to me that the repel force is still there.

The magnet stack does move in and out very easily but it does not kill the repelling force which is what I wanted to use to do work.

I said nothing about the validity of your ideas. I only said my test did not show the repel being killed/shielded.

I wish someone else would do the same simple test and show me wrong.

Norman

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2017, 04:24:11 PM »
Webby1 if you look at a recent video Floor posted it clearly shows the force to remove and reinsert the shield magnet is zero "IF" the other magnets are properly aligned.  If they are off by only a few degrees then there will be some force either repelling the shield magnet or attracting the shield magnet.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978

Respectfully,
Carroll

Absolutely,, in the preferred condition you can have many such things so long as there are no other considerations.

I liked the non preferred part being included,, that shows to me an honest investigation with a curious mind.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2017, 01:04:59 AM »
A demonstration of the neutralization of the repelling force between two magnets (A and B)....
by creating a balance between both the attractions and repultions to a third magnet
which is placed between said  two magnets A andB).

           video link @

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5an8hd_rtangsld2_tech

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Re: Magnet force shield
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