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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #120 on: April 02, 2017, 03:40:07 AM »
@Dieter

Odds are .... that

the convention that the magnets will give rise to a conservative
work interaction,  holds true under the above conditions.

work in = work out except for losses.

It remains that, the only interactions I have seen ...
         that may not be.... are

       1. the original TD
               and I think also
       2.  one variation of LaFont's pseudo solid stuff.

I just may do, a new measuring sets for the original TD interactions,
and see what I see in  light of what I've learned in the last few months.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2017, 05:13:21 PM »
Two things have been proven:


law of energy conservation is wrong. Many unexplicable energy sources discovered, such as Zero Point Energy, which describes a yet unknown energy source, that keeps helium liquid at zero degrees kelvin ( as per standard theory, it should be solid/frozen.


Second: mankind is selectively stupid and ignorant, esp. in Masses and within hierarchical doctrines... easily capable of missing a couple of things.




I think, while using the verified work of others is fine, one MUST disbelieve in socalled accepted belief. How can we say out=in-losses if science even remotely doesn't understand magnets.


Therefor this "uh, they might be right after all" in the back of ones head surely adds to failure and frustration. But this no free lunch attitude they indoctrinate rather religiously, is from a scientific point of view, simply wrong.


Before it's a miracle. After it's science.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #122 on: April 05, 2017, 04:37:00 PM »
@Dieter

It's interesting that....

of    ALL     of these projects in the last several months.....
under the headings of

"TD replications",

"magnetic force shield"
           and
"all magnet motor (TD based)"

 NOT ONE OF THEM is based upon the original twist drive design

No one has actually presented a  close replication of / presentation of
the Twist Drive design.

Lots of looking around at conservative interactions, but still no replication as of yet

Lumens experiments used neo magnets rather than ceramics and his presentation lacked
all the details of his parameters and of his methods used.  Other wise they were closer
to being a replication than any other "tests" were.

I've been all through it now, by  Looking at conventional interactions and finding
conventional results.. This including a working "magnet force shield" (non OU)
But effectively shielding nun the less.

It seems we are compelled to look into what does not work.... just perhaps
because the principles are familiar or known....

Why the TD works is unknown / speculative.... unfamiliar...

Pseudo Solid principle may be OU as well..   

I see some similarity underlying each of those ..... (random to order)...

Below in a PDF file is user Gamma Ray burst's basic concept (as I understand it).
It.... to my knowledge remains unmeasured at this time !

Please find below  the attached "PS principle 6-2 PDF" file

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #123 on: April 06, 2017, 07:16:13 PM »
@ all readers

A demonstration of a method wherein.... conservative magnet interaction sets give rise to Over Unity....
Through magnetic force shielding.


Please see the attached video below.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5hgqia_yetanothers-counterpart_tech

    Keep on it guys.     
     thanks and regards
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2017, 03:57:45 AM »
Thanks. I get an error about in the middle of the vid, may be my browser.


That's the thing with replications. Sometimes variations accidently become improvement, although usually not, but still.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2017, 03:57:45 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #125 on: April 09, 2017, 07:49:14 AM »
@Dieter

That video is not exactly somey kind of great revalation any way.
It doesn't pan out, as I see it.

Two systems with Three magnets each is too complicated, for me
to grasp with out first doing some diagrams.

Please see the attached PDF file below "MagnetForceShield 3x.pdf"

Looks to me like... my linking of two systems still ends up giving no net gain.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #126 on: April 22, 2017, 02:36:19 PM »
Floor, thanks for the pdf.


Cinsidering the thousands of PM experiments that were done in the past century in order to tap PMs, it is certainly not to be expected to be easy.


But the more we know about PMs, the likelier it gets that we're gonna find that little hidden passtrough.


If there is one at all. Which I believe. See, attaching a PM to a piece of iron gives netgain of zero, considering gain in attraction and loss at removal, right?


Then where in the world comes the energy from, that aligns the magnetic domains in the iron? This is work done, on a molecular scope. Twice, when aligning and when relaxing. I have nwver heard of any explanation where that energy comes from.


And that's just one example.


However, we must not allow us to feel obliged to work on this 24/7. The joy of research is to research when we are in the mood for it. It's not a duty.


kr

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #127 on: April 28, 2017, 06:00:29 PM »
Updates on this? Anybody want to share any new discoveries on this topic?

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #128 on: May 02, 2017, 03:43:56 PM »
@DeerSpotter

Some of these shielding methods worked, but  I did not find that any of
them resulted in over unity... neither do I now find any reasons why they
should have.

If you are a builder / do replications ?  you might consider
a replication of the experiment @

http://overunity.com/14311/work-from-2-magnets-19-output-2/msg388336/#msg388336

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #129 on: May 06, 2017, 09:58:46 PM »
Too bad it didn't worked out for you Floor. I honestly think the topic in the linked thread will lead to nothing but equilibrium too. There is allways something we don't consider that nature already knows.
However, I don't think you will give up chasing OU. Looking forward to see your future projects, even if I am a sceptic.


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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #130 on: March 01, 2018, 11:11:38 PM »
Please find the following 2 attachments ......
"Magnet force shield 4.png    and    Magnet force shield 5.png"

Use the force neutralizing principles, illustrated by my drawings (in the previous parts of this topic),
in combination with a mechanical linkage (as described in the drawings attached below).

      These designs and devices are given into the public domain.

                        best wishes
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #131 on: March 02, 2018, 01:36:53 AM »
If I understand what you are doing correctly you are balancing springs and
magnets and what I have found in many cases is all is good till you take power
out and then the balance is disturbed and a price has to be paid to return to
that balance.

Butch Lafonte did a lot with balanced setups that nulled the sticky spot but
he never did any measurements. I have done measurements and they have
OU but not enough.

It easy to get a magnet to do free work but then the mechanism has to be
reset so it can repeat that work and that require work. If that work is
less than the work out then you can get OU. But I have achieved OU but not
enough to do the switching to repeat a cycle. Its been my experience that it
takes 200%-300% extra to achieve that switching/reset process.

Best of Luck,
I really want to see permanent magnets do work.

Norman

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #132 on: March 02, 2018, 04:46:33 PM »
Thanks Norman

With a force of attraction between the center magnet and ONE of the outer magnets....
                                     while at the same time...
There is an equal repelling force between the inner magnet and the OTHER outer magnet...

The mechanical linkage illustrated..... will cause these two forces to total to zero force, in the vectors of
toward or away from the center magnet.   The attraction by one of the magnets is equal to the repulsion
by the other magnet, (to the center magnet).

Both of these forces (THE ASTTRACTING ONE AND THE REPELLING ONE) change at the same rate,
as they change in distance from the center magnet (also each at the same rate).

The springs are there to close the gaps, between the two outer magnets and the inner magnet,
when the attracting and repelling forces are equal, because the shield magnet is in place.

Without the shield magnet, the outer magnets repel each other.

also ......below is a corrected drawing of  #5.png

                   best wishes
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #133 on: March 02, 2018, 08:50:02 PM »
Thanks Floor, Its always good to hear from you. Nice drawing too. I have always gotten stuck
by a. the closer stronger and further weaker magnet characteristic. and b. when you take work out then the apparatus reset has a price which is close to the work out. and c. repel cannot be used because there is no repel without first a push which you have to pay for.

What torques me is all the fake stuff out there. I have boxes of stuff that I made that failed to deliver what we need.

How do you envision using this?

Norman

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #134 on: March 03, 2018, 01:36:32 AM »
@ Norman

This particular version of magnet force shielding .....
( force cancellation along specific vectors, through the balancing of attractions with repulsion)

Is not as effective as some of the other arrangements I have presented.   This arrangement is finicky.
It has a sticky spot (in removal of the shield magnet).  But it appears to me at this point, that this spot is
adjustable in both magnitude and direction.  Also, I think the sticky spot may be of an acceptably small
magnitude !  in terms of OU ?   

My test rig jigs, need to be set up with very precise right angles, but need also be adjustable along certain
vectors and distances.

The use ?   .... self runner of course.

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Re: Magnet force shield
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