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Author Topic: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?  (Read 18391 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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A static electric field won't do anything, but it could be a different story when the field is pulsed.

The magnetic field should be provided by the electric field between the concentric capacitor plates. If this field is in motion, as stated here: Static on Moving Object Forms Magnetic Field, the static field then should generate a magnetic field, picked up by the coil squeezed between the concentric plates.

Also thinking in advance can save money instead of spending it for failed experiments.

Rear side view of the Testatika machine. As it appears, the blue wire connects to the outer plate of the left capacitor and runs straight to the outer plate of the right capacitor.

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Featuring a news report, that every John Doe can now build his own free energy device out of parts from the scrapyard would be even more shocking. ::)

Contemplating: one thing with the Testatika machine is, that there may be some stylish components on it, doing nothing, e.g. the blocks of acrylic glass between the horse shoe magnets. I'm sure those blocks of acrylic glass are just decorative elements, thus the horse shoe magnets could be as well just ornamentation. The other thing is that the main power output circuit and the motor power circuit are completely separated from each other. Means, we can likewise disregard all components in the motor circuit. And what remain isn't much.

Since the function of the wheel is clear - providing high voltage pulses - the only remaining question is, what exactly could be in these big concentric three-pole capacitors? If we figure this out, then we also know what's in Kapanadze's tin can.

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Here's my description of what occurs inside these systems, hopefully it makes sense.  If I had some epic 3d CAD skills I'd be rendering orbiting electrons and all that, but alas:
http://imgur.com/a/EKHcy


Personally, I'm confident we can model and predict the effect using the equations for the Faraday/Unipolar generator along with electrostatic/capacitor mathematics.  Specifically motional-EMF, partly since it shows up all over the OU community.

  In a unipolar generator, the magnetic field is (generally) provided by a magnet.
  In opposed coil systems, the magnetic field for each coil is provided by the other coil, causing a self-propelling process limited by resistance and geometry..

These 'coilpacitors' have a mix of magnetic and dielectrcic properties which give us the ability to briefly tug at and expand/contract their magnetic flux without using much power. ;D


Too bad we need high voltage though, it tends to play bad with modern electronics.

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Featuring a news report, that every John Doe can now build his own free energy device out of parts from the scrapyard would be even more shocking. ::)

Contemplating: one thing with the Testatika machine is, that there may be some stylish components on it, doing nothing, e.g. the blocks of acrylic glass between the horse shoe magnets. I'm sure those blocks of acrylic glass are just decorative elements, thus the horse shoe magnets could be as well just ornamentation. The other thing is that the main power output circuit and the motor power circuit are completely separated from each other. Means, we can likewise disregard all components in the motor circuit. And what remain isn't much.

Since the function of the wheel is clear - providing high voltage pulses - the only remaining question is, what exactly could be in these big concentric three-pole capacitors? If we figure this out, then we also know what's in Kapanadze's tin can.


I built a simple wimshurst machine and as soon I have time, I will build a capacitor for test.
Please, check my arrangement and let me know what do you think.
https://youtu.be/4uaGgqniqzo


Cheers
Ariovaldo

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Those motors are rather large.

Wouldn't it be better to just buy one and then to connect it to custom-built capacitors?

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Interesting to look at,, and to think that it was trapped inside a piece of acrylic.

http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2008-02/trap-lightning-block

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Those motors are rather large.

Wouldn't it be better to just buy one and then to connect it to custom-built capacitors?

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As a said, it was built just for test. Th motors are 1/2 hp and with VFD , low voltage connections and low RPM, the system is pulling about 75 Watts.

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I built my test bed based on a Voss machine style
As I found very little information on the Pidgeon model
      used in Linden.
That and I had issues with the belt mechanism on the Whimhurst...
It's much simpler with only one spinning disk.
This machine runs on a 5c Dc motor
Pulling 0.51A @ 6V.  ~ 3Watts input
After about 30 seconds of flipping it on
 I punched a hole through plastic rated for 700Kv


I don't know the upper limit, from what I read
  This machine is based in the size of the capacitors.
But my goal is to keep it low, steady and somewhat stable.


The outside plates of all capacitors are linked to a common ground rod.
Which is connected to Earth Ground. (This is for safety not functionality)


I made a 4 "Mr Teslonian" step-down transformers, they do work but generate not much current.
I can get a steady 30v out of mine but are otherwise useless. At least to me.


The main jars on the machine collect the charge, they are currently 'leyden' with 1/2 inch of saltwater
and the 4 smaller capacitors in front are for stabilization


Output voltage and frequency are controlled by a spark gap

[photo was removed due to size issues]


I am toying with several styles of concentric capacitors
I also have a pair of perforated ones


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Ok well I can't seem to resize photos on my iPhone for some reason
So I went with a short video showing my ion generator in operation

https://youtu.be/AAVdDE2YTow




I will send an update soon with a few different capacitor designs
That I am currently experimenting with

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Online sm0ky2

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This is a rudimentary concentric capacitor
Made from plastic cups


This arrangement has 6 plates.
With just the outer two plates connected


The second test has all 6 plates connected
  Higher voltage is obtained at the cost of lower frequency


https://youtu.be/GjGTFxFgpiE
https://youtu.be/2lqXPMtYqf4


I've gotten my machined tweaked down to the point where it
is only pulling 1.5 Watts through the motor.
Friction on the brushes is about all I can improve at this point.
After turning it off it will continue to spin and spark for about a minute.


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Dear All.

A fairly simple 3 plate capacitor can be made using a laminator.

Cut 3 pieces of Aluminium cooking foil, heavy duty is best, slightly smaller than the pouch. Laminate the first sheet, not forgetting to make a connection tab with a thin strip of foil placed upon the main sheet and in the centre. Next place the other sheets either side ( with tabs right and left of centre ) and then laminate the whole thing.

I made one like this a couple of years ago but discovered that it's capacitance varied with pressure so perhaps rolling it and placing in a tube might stabilise this effect?

Obviously a glass/foil arrangement would be better but, rather expensive. The pouches can easily be taken to 10 Kv without breakdown, I would be interested to know how much electrical stress they could cope with.

Cheers Graham.

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Dear All.

A fairly simple 3 plate capacitor can be made using a laminator.

Cut 3 pieces of Aluminium cooking foil, heavy duty is best, slightly smaller than the pouch. Laminate the first sheet, not forgetting to make a connection tab with a thin strip of foil placed upon the main sheet and in the centre. Next place the other sheets either side ( with tabs right and left of centre ) and then laminate the whole thing.

I made one like this a couple of years ago but discovered that it's capacitance varied with pressure so perhaps rolling it and placing in a tube might stabilise this effect?

Obviously a glass/foil arrangement would be better but, rather expensive. The pouches can easily be taken to 10 Kv without breakdown, I would be interested to know how much electrical stress they could cope with.

Cheers Graham.


Thanks Graham


Heavy laminates can hold quite a bit of charge (300-600Kv with most brands)
Obviously the thicker sheets insulate better.
Cheap plastic wrap breaks down at lower voltages
However, an undamaged layer of Saran Wrap (brand of plastic wrap)
       Can hold back something between 1 and 2 million volts.
  It's a little more expensive, ( see dept. of defense force field report for more info)


A side note on this: insulator break down voltage is a factor of capacitance.
Not voltage potential alone.
Capacitance varies with the distance between plates.


Using foil + laminant or foil + plastic sheeting/wrap
   The capacitance will vary with use because the plates change distances.
Opposite charges will attract the plates while like charges will repel each other.
On average, the + in the center will balance out the repelling forces of the two lesser - plates
But in practice these variances are noticible.


I do not use foil anymore, for this and many other reasons.
What I use is a thicker Aluminum Tape.
It's self-adhesive, has a higher charge density per area
More durable than foil, and can hold a charge for quite some time.
It is also called Nashua Tape sometimes.
I say it is the Static-Electricians best friend!
My entire ion generator and all my caps are made from this stuff.
[well except my fast charging caps-
   which are a hollow aluminum tube in a plastic sleeve]


Anyways, rolling the laminated caps up turns them into
"Concentric capacitors" , not the standard way of looking at them but the
Charge induction is the same.


When you are dealing with static charges it is more than just capacitance.
In a simple concentric capacitor (or even two parallel plates)
There is a capacitance as well as an inductance and reactance
   as observed as a single loop transformer


Rolled plates are treated as transformers with multiple turns.




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This becomes a complex induction when you charge multiple plates


Vs just charging one. Polarities also change the equation
Not just in action but also in reaction of opposing charges.

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Here I have a 6 plate capacitor
Arranged such that the outer two plates and inner two plates
Are not connected.
These plates charge by induction from the two charged plates
  sandwiched in between.


https://youtu.be/uRICPYRfyWA


With this configuration I am able to get strong 1/2- inch sparks
  at a fairly decent frequency
Still pulling 1.5 watts at the input

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