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Author Topic: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?  (Read 18435 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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My concentric capacitor so far. We can see such constructions on page one all over the place. But I think I should add a second capacitor plate inside the canister, so it will be a three-plate capacitor in all. And then the question is how to connect it and to what.

Kapanadze's tin can and those of Testatika have the coil most likely inside, not outside.

The Testatika capacitor has three wires to connect, two red, one blue. But of course the Testatika capacitors are working in pairs, so I'm not sure if a single capacitor needs more than three wires.

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Offline jbignes5

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 Can I explain why I think the can is an oil submerged transformer then and see if this fits your idea.

 The thing here is that the 1892 lecture talks about shielding the transformer in a wooden box covered in metal. This is to keep the voltage inside the can or shielding via skin effect. This isolates it both from us and the environment to  a degree. If it is exposed to the environment then it will short to the rest of the system negating any benefits at all. This is why it is in the can. If you look at the back of the can where the metal tab is welded to the top you can see wires coming out of the can. There is no coincidence they are there. The can is a shield and the oil raises the ability of the transformer to go higher in potential without burning itself up via wire shorts.

 That is the only reasons Tesla used that setup. Plus at some point you need to shield the wires going to and from the high voltage sources. Tesla even patented the first versions of coax due to this. He relates it to a pressure leaking out and didn't want to loose the pressure. Like a hose with holes in it.. Thats what a wire is exactly..

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My concentric capacitor so far. We can see such constructions on page one all over the place. But I think I should add a second capacitor plate inside the canister, so it will be a three-plate capacitor in all. And then the question is how to connect it and to what.

Kapanadze's tin can and those of Testatika have the coil most likely inside, not outside.

The Testatika capacitor has three wires to connect, two red, one blue. But of course the Testatika capacitors are working in pairs, so I'm not sure if a single capacitor needs more than three wires.

 How do you know the Testatiska example is a cap? couldn't it be a transformer with shielding?
 The Testastika is not a given either. They wont divulge anything about the system and trying to figure it out without details would be like trying to see an atom without an electron microscope.

 In the example you have shown that device is a heavily shielded transformer here: http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Those guys on that page never saw what's really in the Testatika capacitors, thus they do only guesswork there. They show each capacitor connected to four wires. I can see only three wires on the real machine.

But tell me, how to make a three-plate capacitor with a flat bifilar coil only? Wouldn't we need something like a trifilar coil? And why should we need extremely high voltage, so we need oil to prevent shorts?



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Those guys on that page never saw what's really in the Testatika capacitors, thus they do only guesswork there. They show each capacitor connected to four wires. I can see only three wires on the real machine.

But tell me, how to make a three-plate capacitor with a flat bifilar coil only? Wouldn't we need something like a trifilar coil? And why should we need extremely high voltage, so we need oil to prevent shorts?

 The bifilar has capacity already. The third plate is the solenoid.

 Well the problem with this system is that if you don't have enough voltage the process runs down. The point to this kind of a system is to generate excess voltage. An undamped oscillator is such a device. That is incorporated in the design. Pinging into the bifilars capacitance allows the system to run away in voltage. The oil is to keep the voltage where it is supposed to be and the shielding is to keep it all contained. What dampens the oscillator is what you harvest from it. This means at times the potentials will condense enough plasma to short out the coils if there isn't sufficient dielectric material keeping that from happening. Air doesn't have a sufficient dielectric component to use with the system.

 Do you have credible information on the Testastika then, from someone who dissected the machine and accurately diagrammed it?

 This is the nature of these kinds of investigations. Hearsay is just that.

 This is why I stuck to TK because he admitted where he got the information from. It was easy to go device to device and show where it paralleled Tesla's writings. An easier way to figure this out.. We only need one system to open the doors. Once that happens we can delve into the other areas and open them up to discover the rest. It was easier to go for the abundance of information about Tesla's work then to guess about unseen areas...

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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The concentric wound primary and secondary coils of a transformer have capacity already. The third plate is the core. See the Stepanov transformers working without oil.

The link to the Testatika video is on post one. I simply watched it very closely.

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The concentric wound primary and secondary coils of a transformer have capacity already. The third plate is the core. See the Stepanov transformers working without oil.

The link to the Testatika video is on post one. I simply watched it very closely.

 To have undamped oscillator you can't have a core. Hence the ground/virtural ground going in the middle of the transformer in the design I showed..

 I have a hard time believing videos sometimes. anyone could make it and anything can be done. But in TK's video the proof was the Tesla information. It fit and it worked. This one system was doing all of the videos TK was releasing. All from the 1892 lecture.

 In the beginning it took Tesla a while before he figured things out. He didn't start knowing about the plasma thing. But after he figured it out he even boasted about a dynamic theory of gravity based on it. For which he never got to release it and died. Papers were confiscated and still no papers on such things to date.

 Also the wiki that you posted the Testastika has the exact reference to the diagram I posted. In fact all the information about it on the wiki page is based off of the same guys doing the diagram.

 Lets look at a Tesla improvement to the capacitor: https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-464667-electrical-condenser
 and here :       https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-567818-electrical-condenser

 Coincidentally it is remarked in that patent about oils in the use of condensers... The second one tells a better explanation.

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The biggest problem, We only look at half of what's going on.
Everybody loves the positive, but try to eliminate the negative.
The potential difference is what, we need to use, need to see.
artv

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The biggest problem, We only look at half of what's going on.
Everybody loves the positive, but try to eliminate the negative.
The potential difference is what, we need to use, need to see.
artv

 Yeah I agree...

 Actually the potential difference is the drive or direction setter. The movement of what, is what we need to see. What is the potential difference moving. That my friends is the Aether or plasma as I call it. Learn to attract it and it can multiply your movement or give it more umph. It is an inertia multiplier and we can convert it to any form of energy in that process.

 This is actually what keyed me on what the Tower was actually doing. He spread the very high voltage across the dome of single terminal bulbs and drew the plasma down from the ionosphere in a great ball above that surface. Then he let it short to the ground via the central shaft after the dome discharged. There was a capacitor shorted solenoid around the base and acted like a choke that he would disruptively discharge to the ground through a bifilar coil. A solenoid around that coil could harvest the huge currents generated by that tower. In fact I believe this is what shorted out the generators at the utility place on the island. He had to fix that one lol.
 In essence the Tower was nothing but a blocking oscillator sucking down plasma from the ionosphere and shorting it to the ground where you could tap the flow at the ground connection via induction.

 These smaller versions need higher potentials and to make it safer you should use oil on the coils and caps. Heating goes down and efficiency goes way up to.

 I also don't know how to say it by there needs to be a spark gap. It needs to have the plasma to attract the bulk of plasma into this smaller system. The ground wire inside of the transformer is for some of the plasma to go to ground and some can be scooped out via induction to any load you need.

 In Tk's back yard video he used a heavy copper coil to discharge into and the extreme high voltage impulses attracted the plasma to the awaiting ground wire. The coil in the middle was most likely a coil designed to resonate at 50 hz to match their system there so he could use the normal loads. Although I don't rmember anything being used except light bulbs on that one.

 To me it looks like a huge virtual transistor with inductive output, meaning not directly connected to the main flow. A certain flow of plasma would be capable of a certain output as well. Meaning the bigger it is the more current it can push in the load circuit.

 Now there are great flows of plasma going to ground already. What do you think hurricanes and tornadoes are? This might actually make things nicer around us. We would release the pressure causing the great flows of plasma to the ground now. Just think about the energy of a tornado and explain where it comes from? If you knew about plasma and density of plasma layers around our planet then you might figure it out very quickly how this could take energy out of that systems and put it into our man made systems. Tesla found his new Niagara Falls except this one was bigger... Way bigger... Limitless energy... Clean... Natural.. And very powerful... AND TO BOOT completely FREE. Well except for material costs of the systems. After that it was essentially free.

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This is why I stuck to TK because he admitted where he got the information from.

And that's the mistake, sticking to TK. I prefer to see the overall picture, so I can combine different trivial elements to a comprehensive view.

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In Tk's back yard video he used a heavy copper coil to discharge into and the extreme high voltage impulses attracted the plasma to the awaiting ground wire.

That big Kapanadze copper coil is completely fake. I figured that out in mid 2012 already while doing some experiments. In that green box video Kapanadze himself admits (made a slip) that the »resonator« (as he calls it) is INSIDE the box. So the coil looks nice but does nothing. My best guess here is that the tin can (the resonator) is now inside the box working still as concentric (resonating) capacitor.

One more discussion cycle completed.

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Coincidentally it is remarked in that patent about oils in the use of condensers

Show me one single video or image on the whole internet presenting an electric FE device, real or fake whatsoever,  in which I can see one single drop of oil anywhere, or an inventor stating that his electric device needs oil to work. Old tube TV's working with up to 30KV high voltage and nowhere in those TV's can we see the slightest sign of oil in the flyback or other parts. So what level of high voltage (in oil) do we need to get energy? 100.000 volts? 1.000.000 volts?

This free-energy-from-oil theory leads to nothing except going in circles over and over again. So I will end this discussion right here.

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 You my friend are a moron.

 A waste of skin if you can't read Tesla's words on the subject of why the oil is needed in those components.

 Oh by the way why don't you ask Itzu if that cap idea will actually work. I asked him over 2 years ago to test it for me.. Guess what?? It doesn't.. See I told you I made the mistakes you are making. But at least I learned from them.

"Old tube TV's working with up to 30KV high voltage and nowhere in those TV's can we see the slightest sign of oil in the flyback or other parts."
 In the first place that is why the TV's broke down all the time. I know, thats what I learned Electronics from and was fixing them and the usual problem was breeches due to shorts from components.
 Now this is a waste of everyone's time. I got better things to do.
 
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You my friend are a moron.

Doesn't work? I gave you the video link showing that it works twice.

And I have an old tube TV form 1974 still working.

Of course Tesla used oil in capacitors in order to prevent sparking (lacking of other means). Nowadays electrolyte or some other synthetic material is used in factory-made capacitors as dielectric material. No problem here, should even work better than oil.

Posting numbers in this thread:

Zeitmaschine, reply #  0, 1, 3, 6, 9, 15, 17, 19, 26, 28, 30, 33, 35, 39, 41 = total 15
jbignes5, reply # 4, 5, 7, 11, 13, 16, 18, 20, 22, 25, 29, 31, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40 = total 17

So as it looks jbignes5 leads this thread in the effort to disproof the theories of the thread opener (a moron). Of course that could make some readers easily think that this could be run under the control of so called »vested interest«, so to say.

By the way, this is how to put a member on ones ignore list:

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My concentric capacitor so far. We can see such constructions on page one all over the place. But I think I should add a second capacitor plate inside the canister, so it will be a three-plate capacitor in all. And then the question is how to connect it and to what.


Zeit, have you seen these videos from MrTeslonian?  He made some 'electrostatic capacitors' that look like what you have but inside-out.

MrTeslonian: How-to make a electrostatic step-down transformer, converts electrostatic to low voltage DC.

MrTeslonian: how to make a electrostatic step-down transformer, part 2, ampere test, Wimshurst to low volt DC.

MrTeslonian: Tesla coil "the true secret" how it was really used.


It's not TK's coil, but maybe it will give you some ideas?

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Thanks, extremely interesting! :)

Now the idea that it gives me is, that I don't want to use an electrostatic mechanic wheel producing a million volts. Then that would mean, I don't need the reversed working Tesla coil in order to create oscillations from the sparks hitting the top of it. If the high voltage is already oscillating - generated by a step up transformer or an electronic circuit - then, instead of the reversed working Tesla coil, I would need what? A simple capacitor plate?

But I should keep the thick secondary coil, normally Tesla coil's primary.

So the idea would be to wrap a tin can with a heavy coil and then wrap this coil with aluminum foil to have a coil pancaked (in 3D or sandwiched) between two concentric capacitor plates, the inner one connected to high voltage pulses, the outer one to ground and then connecting that coil in the middle to something - maybe a load?

Also I have the vague feeling that those guys in the videos have no idea about the physical principle they are playing with.


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So the idea would be to wrap a tin can with a heavy coil and then wrap this coil with aluminum foil to have a coil pancaked (in 3D or sandwiched) between two concentric capacitor plates, the inner one connected to high voltage pulses, the outer one to ground and then connecting that coil in the middle to something - maybe a load?

If there is only one coil, what is providing the magnetic field for that coil to interact with?  The tin can or the foil?  Foil is diamagnetic so that's a possibility.  But I think you need a source of strong magnetic flux to go along with your HV potential.


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Also I have the vague feeling that those guys in the videos have no idea about the physical principle they are playing with.

lol, I think he's going in the right direction, and he actually builds things.  It's easy to us to get stuck in the theory and concept and never build devices and explore the effects.  I myself am often guilty of this. :P

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