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Author Topic: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?  (Read 16654 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Mel Shironey : 0:32:28 What happens... when you leave the atmosphere... and there isn't any atmosphere?
Otis T. Carr : 0:32:33 We have the electrochemical system... then to provide us with all the energy that we need.

Then this principle can't be based on Aether energy drawn from a capacitor. Aether does not need an atmosphere, it is also present in a vacuum. But maybe Carr himself had no idea, how his own device really worked. Did he test it outside the atmosphere?

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Those ideas don't work best. They emit dangerous by products. Didn't the yoke experiment teach you anything?

What gave you that idea?? Except for the yoke device there are no reports of any dangerous side effects created by any of all those devices. So it taught me not to use ferrite between two capacitor plates.

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Also You mentioned the breakdown of air. What does that mean to you?

To me it isn't the air that breaks down. It is the plasma that condenses across the gap via the potential gradient between those two electrodes.

The air itself turns to plasma and becomes conductive. The air is the load that burns (wastes) the energy coming from the warped Aether between the electrodes of the spark gap.

»It is impossible for a visible spark to form in a vacuum.«

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I was drawn to a file that you posted a long time ago.

Original can be found here: Validation 1 v0.4

It's unclear what that capacitor C4/C5 actually does, but ... it is round and has three plates. The casing of that capacitor and the actual capacitor inside forms a concentric capacitor. So the claimed energy gain could be due to this capacitor or due to the antenna or due to a combination of both. Maybe the scope shots can shed light on this.

Principle of work according to the Aspden paper - as I do comprehend it:

a) Space is not empty, it is filled with Aether.
b) That Aether performs a constant jitter motion due to the so called zero point energy.
c) An electric field between the plates of a capacitor warps (displaces) that Aether.
d) Actually that Aether is the location of the energy stored in a charged capacitor.
e) Due to the jitter motion, the Aether starts to move linearly along the capacitor plates.
f ) If the capacitor is discharged slowly the linear motion stops slowly.
g) But if the discharge occurs abruptly then the linear motion does not stop immediately but after a delay, so that ongoing linear motion of the Aether between the plates acts like an additional (free) charge.
h) This effect of the inert Aether motion can be maximized by means of concentric capacitor plates.

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 The three plate cap was a captret..
 The captret is a feedback mechanism that does not effect the energy moving between the plates. I know a huge amount of what the Captret was and is due to my work with Ibpointless2 on the method to use an electrolytic cap in the method specified.

 Is this the reason you are saying it is a concentric capacitor?
 Because that is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jLP1HfRFRY
 The proof that I worked on that is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S384oIXJz0c

 Just for you to understand a capacitor and some of the action happening inside of the cap so to speak..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT4UVsfZkwg
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSXKk_A3xUM

 With this explanation, it should clear up the smoke.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OymoHX-8pLM

 As well the air does not turn into plasma. Plasma is there in between all matter. It is what matter floats in like particles in water. The particles are still particles and they don't turn to water, do they?

 A a side note to the Captret: The forces that get put on the rolled plates inside of the cap are additive. The rolled plates push themselves sideways twords the caps body. this can and will destroy a cheap electrolytic cap over time. It will look like the cap is gassing off but it is the creeping of the plates towards the can that causes the problem. Current designs for the electrolytic can not handle this side ways creep and will push the rubber plug out of the end of the can. This plug is designed to allow gassing if the cap is overcharged without blowing up in your face. Due to the design limitation the captret wont last forever and hence the utility is limited.. If the electrolytic design changes then we might see the utility raise to a point where we can use the device. Until then you are left with designing and using a custom electrolytic to use as that device.

 As for the comment of a spark in a vacuum.. Care to explain this?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-lKgcQJvg

 The plasma isn't displaced by the particles of air and soo look like the beam coming down from above. I'm sure if that electrode was exposed to air that it would look like this:

 http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/148/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_42109.jpg

 Due to the particles being absent from the inside of the vacuum chamber it spreads out like shown in the above video.


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The captret is a feedback mechanism that does not effect the energy moving between the plates.

Says who? Aspden states otherwise - if connected properly.

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Just for you to understand a capacitor and some of the action happening inside of the cap so to speak..

Since the first heading of post one in this thread reads »IDENTIFYING A NOVEL PHYSICAL PRINCIPLE«, what makes you think that a textbook video not even mention the term »Aether« will help identifying that novel physical principle? Those videos talk about electric fields but actually they do not know what they are, just that those fields are somehow can be created mystically (by means of a capacitor).

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As well the air does not turn into plasma.

Then Wikipedia and other sources are wrong on this and we can draw sparks in a vacuum??

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As for the comment of a spark in a vacuum.. Care to explain this?

Yes, I would care. It is not 100% vacuum. There is residual air in it that turns into plasma. If it were a pure vacuum then what should cause that glowing? The Aether itself? The Aether which is non-existing to modern science? If so, then just this single experiment would prove science wrong. If the Aether itself would glow then this experiment would be proof that energy (the glowing) can be drawn from the Aether.

»A plasma globe is a clear glass sphere filled with a mixture of various noble gases«, as Wikipedia states.

jbignes5, the basic question here is, what are you actually trying to accomplish with these kinds of posts? If you have ideas how to build a FE device with spark gaps and Tesla coils and oil-filled transformers then you could open a new thread for that subject. Otherwise it looks as if you want to turn away this thread from the concentric capacitor topic deliberately.

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Says who? Aspden states otherwise - if connected properly.

Since the first heading of post one in this thread reads »IDENTIFYING A NOVEL PHYSICAL PRINCIPLE«, what makes you think that a textbook video not even mention the term »Aether« will help identifying that novel physical principle? Those videos talk about electric fields but actually they do not know what they are, just that those fields are somehow can be created mystically (by means of a capacitor).

Then Wikipedia and other sources are wrong on this and we can draw sparks in a vacuum??

Yes, I would care. It is not 100% vacuum. There is residual air in it that turns into plasma. If it were a pure vacuum then what should cause that glowing? The Aether itself? The Aether which is non-existing to modern science? If so, then just this single experiment would prove science wrong. If the Aether itself would glow then this experiment would be proof that energy (the glowing) can be drawn from the Aether.

»A plasma globe is a clear glass sphere filled with a mixture of various noble gases«, as Wikipedia states.

jbignes5, the basic question here is, what are you actually trying to accomplish with these kinds of posts? If you have ideas how to build a FE device with spark gaps and Tesla coils and oil-filled transformers then you could open a new thread for that subject. Otherwise it looks as if you want to turn away this thread from the concentric capacitor topic deliberately.

 I know the Captret.. You didn't even know what it was. I worked with it and worked with Ibpointless2 on the project. Did you?

 What novel principle are you describing exactly?

 The spark turns into a very fine electrical streams, Just look at the inside of a vacuum tube to see the action. You are very wrong that air changes into a plasma. Soo wrong it isn't possible for you to state that. Are you telling me you know for sure that air turns into something other then air? Oxygen and nitrogen plus the many many other gases??? Really? You mean to tell me we can transmute air molecules into something other then air? Wow.. It's alchemy.. <-sarcasm

 In case you didn't know the glow is streams of plasma excited by the electric field between the plates. But because the Air is removed the streams are wider and do not emit tons of light. Really I would have thought you would have known that. Actually what you see in a two plate tube is what is going on in a capacitor only intensified due to the high potential electric field.

 They use noble gasses in plasma globes because of two things. One is because they are inert and the second is that the atoms absorb all light but what it rejects, it's the exact thing that makes a red rose red(really it is not red). The reason they use noble gasses is because it acts like the air they removed allowing the discharge to become a filament again and look dazzling with different gasses dictating the color of the discharge..

 I am not trying to accomplish anything other then answering your posts. Most of which come from people who don't know that plasma is everywhere. It is the Aether and we can excite and condense it at will with the use of high voltages. You are posting something that is not right and very wrong. How do I know this.. Well I have been doing this for a very long time, researching is my thing and logical deduction my talent. I started with this in mind to learn the secrets that Tesla knew. I found bits and pieces all over and collected the information to see what Tesla's goal was and His journey to get to that goal. He knew about plasma and it's dynamics. He knew that high voltages condensed the plasma around the terminal. He knew what the lightning bolts really where and where they came from. His experiments when looked at in the entirety of his research all point to him finding the key. But instead of a fanfare and acceptance he faced obscurity. All of his accomplishments were dragged through the mud and soiled. Even after he tried to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and still prove his methods correct with his Pierce arrow car example all they could ask him, Is this magic?

 my goal is to steer you out of a dead end and maybe get you to understand what plasma really is. It is not a state of matter it is what matter floats in. It's a sea the size of our Universe. All connected by that sea of plasma. It's not all contiguous either. It pools and flows in streams just like fluids do. It is the reason fluids flow, mimicking plasma's abilities because plasma is in everything to a degree with fluids having more condensed plasma in them.

 Whats at the center of matter, a plasmoid. What is the electron shell? A plasma shell that is connected to the plasmoid. Just as our ionosphere is connected to our Earth. What separates us from space? A plasma Double layer encircling the Earth. How far does that plasma extend? Care to look into the best Telescopes known to man.. Plasma is the Aether and we can excite and motivate it with the electric field because the plasma's field is conductive to the electric field. It is the very reason the electric has a field at all.

 As for me making the devices I am talking about, well I'm working on that. As for starting a thread about it, well I will when I have the proof and concepts to form that proof is settled to my satisfaction. I mean I can see it now if I didn't have a carefully crafted explanation to all the nay sayers crying foul. It's going to take a while before I can devote that kind of time to it. So I thought I would spread it around and clue you guys in who are working in this field now to the concepts that will get us to "Free" energy. Free means we don't have to expend fuel to get it. Like Niagara Falls for example.

 I worked a very long time on the TK devices and know his designs pretty damn well. I have made the same errors you are making and only want to help you understand this better. Anyways you are the one who wrote in the Tesla section of a TK device saying this is the key. It is not the key to TK devices. Like I said if you want to know how TK is doing it then go to the person he learned it from and that would be Tesla. As for those other guys well most have only understood a small part of the things Tesla was doing and planning on doing. This is because they get excited and want to make it their own so they can profit by it. In almost every case one can look and find the ideas they had were actually Tesla ideas and concepts. Then they end there and don't go back to Tesla to learn the rest. This leaves them with only a portion of the methods and that is why they don't know how it works fully. Hopefully we can stop referring to the failed attempts and go back and learn from the original source.

 My favorite Tesla source is tfcbooks.com They have a great free access to the writing and lectures Tesla did. You might want to start there first and this link will get you started on the high voltage series he did in a lecture in 1892:  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

 The dreaded oil submerged transformer is right there.. Way back then... Check that link out closely. Read it all.. Even the lighting sections they are very informative. Hint: there is a one wire motor in that lecture as well.. Check it out.. After you look at that the much later colorado notes from 1899 will help you immensely on the direction he was moving: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes04.htm

 All the while keep your mind on the TK devices. Look for parallel ideas. Hint, the one wire motor from the 1892 lecture. TK replicated that.. Remember to look at the device responsible for the one wire motor in that lecture..

 Here is a link to the TK replication: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ

 at 9:13 is a perfect view of the disks and cores(Just below the disks) he used with a bipolar single terminal system running two disks to run a generator. TK was replicating the devices described and demonstrated by Tesla in that lecture. In fact all of TK devices had the system included and usually hidden in boxes or big shrouds of metal. By the way the metal shrouds were the end plates of the one wire method.

 Eventually TK figured out he didn't need moving parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqUyJwdfVk

 He also figured out that he could have 3 phase power. 3 coils. The center coil was the emitter and the 3 coils each received the same power but in different spacing around the heavy coil. There are only two possibilities here either he was inducing into the 3 coils, most probably or he was inducing to the heavy coil in the middle. My bet is on the 3 phases being the 3 coils and the source of emissions was the central coil.

 There are two boxes in this one. The smaller one is a special custom oil filled cap feeding the larger box with the oil submerged transformer. This then fed either the 3 coils or the heavy coil in the middle. I bet on the feeding the heavy coil in the middle to a ground wire which they show in the video as well. The system has a feed back loop to keep the transformer producing, stripping the AC into DC. This way there is no special hardware to sync the phases and looping it will not cause counter forces since it is DC looping back. Rectifiers were probably used for this.

 So we have DC feeding a custom oil filled cap that feeds the oil submerged transformer which feeds the emitter coil in the middle and goes to ground. Meanwhile inducing 3 phases of AC which is partially looped back and rectified back to the cap again. All while powering loads on each phase.

 Tk's only problem here is that he is trying to make money off of this. He has hidden everything important to keep it valuable but the problem is that I figured out where he got the idea for this and there is no need to guess at how he did it because we have the same access to the information as he had. Tesla...


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What novel principle are you describing exactly?

Maybe you should start at the beginning and read post number one a few more times.

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You are posting something that is not right and very wrong. How do I know this.. Well I have been doing this for a very long time, researching is my thing and logical deduction my talent.

Then you surely can show us all a working device of yours, including the schematics. If you have no working device (not even in part) after such a very long time, then something with your theories has to be wrong. So my advice would be to listen more to the theories of others, instead of calling them »not right«.

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I mean I can see it now if I didn't have a carefully crafted explanation to all the nay sayers crying foul. It's going to take a while before I can devote that kind of time to it.

Then my next hint would be: Instead of writing walls of text around the clock without any sign of carefully crafted explanations, you should devote more time to real research on your workbench. Otherwise you're just one more fella in this forum pretending to know all but unable to show the slightest thing in practice.

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Like I said if you want to know how TK is doing it then go to the person he learned it from and that would be Tesla.

No, Kapanadze didn't learn it from Tesla. He stumbled upon that effect by chance (like Stepanov, Hendershot, etc). Why should Kapanadze have read tons of Tesla patents (most of them in English language only) in the first place, without knowing for sure he could make something out of them?

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He also figured out that he could have 3 phase power. 3 coils. The center coil was the emitter and the 3 coils each received the same power but in different spacing around the heavy coil.

And I figured out - a very long time ago - that those four coils are completely fake, they do nothing. Sorry, you fall on that Kapanadze deception.

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[...] a bipolar single terminal system running two disks to run a generator. TK was replicating the devices described and demonstrated by Tesla in that lecture. In fact all of TK devices had the system included and usually hidden in boxes or big shrouds of metal.

Preciously you stated: »What was in the Can was an oil filled transformer with the capacitance built right in«. Now suddenly you say, that the Sadolin tin can has running disks in it? I can't stand that nonsense any longer!

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There are two boxes in this one. The smaller one is a special custom oil filled cap feeding the larger box with the oil submerged transformer. This then fed either the 3 coils or the heavy coil in the middle.

Is that a X-ray vision of yours? Show me the location of the oil-filled capacitor in the Stepanov three-phase transformer videos. Maybe I missed it.

And since this discussion obviously leads to nothing except to lengthen this thread, spread confusion and keep the discussions going in circles without any progress, I will not answer your posts here anymore. If you want answers, open your own thread in which you then can present your theories at your convenience (instead of hijacking other threads). This thread has absolutely nothing to do with oil-filled transformers and oil-filled capacitors. It is about the concentric capacitor collecting energy from the Aether as explained in the Aspden paper. If you think submerging a capacitor or a transformer in oil will give you free energy from the Aether then the best thing for you to do is to open a new thread in order to explain all this to the inquisitive readers there (do it quickly, before you end up on a lot of ignore lists).

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 So he didn't learn it from Tesla huh?

 Explain this video then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zURkxC0quAY

 At 51:46 look at what is in his hands.

 It's a research packet with the Tesla tower logo on top.

 At 35:40 in this video he tells you who invented this technology he is using..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4fEkoPQIQo

 So before you state anything else educate yourself. Stop making things up. I do actual research backed by real bench work. The only one making things up and stating walls of text without doing one thing is you my friend.

 You make the grandiose claim that you know they key to the TK devices and similar FE concepts, when in reality you have done very little to educate yourself on all things TK. Not to mention knowing how other similar FE concept work with your magic capacitor.

 And this is where I will leave you. Learn or fall like all the rest to being ignorant of the facts.

 I don't profess to have a device.. I am working on one right now. It is moving along at a slow pace because of my physical problems. As for me not posting schematics well thats an outright lie. In fact I posted one in this thread for others to try. The one spreading confusion is YOU. You have taken 5-6 different concepts and balled them all together to confuse others and mislead them away from the truth. I on the other hand am trying to steer you and them back on track. If that is wrong then so be it but I will not let all my hard work go down the drain because someone like you who is ignorant of the truth leads people away from the truth. The truth is that TK has always said these were and are Tesla devices and methods. If that is hard for you to swallow or even believe then I am sorry but it is the truth of TK own words.

 As for the other "inventors" well I haven't reached those guys yet because the Tesla stuff is so vast. It has taken me over 20 years to learn everything he has to teach and I still haven't gotten even 75% through his work and experiments. And I still am not right with all of it yet because even Tesla knew the deck was stacked against him, especially after the tower incident. Figuring out his true intentions and devices and how they relate to each other is a daunting task to say the least.

 So please go back and watch the TK videos. Read the Tesla information I referred to you and stop making wild guesses at what Tesla and TK were up to... It's all there waiting for you to rediscover...

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jbignes5, it's Zeitmaschine's thread.  Let him have it.  If you think there is a different principle at work, post your thread collating your research and experiments for others to critique.


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The one spreading confusion is YOU.

It makes sense to me, and many others on this forum.  If it's confusing or you disagree, ask some more detailed questions and maybe it will make sense.
Reread that first post a few more times and the links referenced, it can take a long time to fully digest.  On my 4th reread I'm still getting useful info out of Aspden's lectures.

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You have taken 5-6 different concepts and balled them all together to confuse others and mislead them away from the truth.

It's not 6 concepts.  It's actually 1 concept applied many different ways.  (Maybe two if you consider the 'dead ferrite' technique to be a separate thing)
At the heart it is the idea that the dielectric properties of 'capacitive coils' can be used to push and pull at its associated EMF using high voltages but very little total power.


Zeit's posting a very specific process applied in different ways with a rough model, pictures, and videos to back it up.  He probably has a deeper understanding of what is actually going on.

I am not an authority on this, but I can help explain as I understand it, and Z can critique if I miss some details.   There's a Russian->English language barrier here too, that could be what's leading to some confusion.

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jbignes5, it's Zeitmaschine's thread.  Let him have it.  If you think there is a different principle at work, post your thread collating your research and experiments for others to critique.


It makes sense to me, and many others on this forum.  If it's confusing or you disagree, ask some more detailed questions and maybe it will make sense.
Reread that first post a few more times and the links referenced, it can take a long time to fully digest.  On my 4th reread I'm still getting useful info out of Aspden's lectures.

It's not 6 concepts.  It's actually 1 concept applied many different ways.  (Maybe two if you consider the 'dead ferrite' technique to be a separate thing)
At the heart it is the idea that the dielectric properties of 'capacitive coils' can be used to push and pull at its associated EMF using high voltages but very little total power.


Zeit's posting a very specific process applied in different ways with a rough model, pictures, and videos to back it up.  He probably has a deeper understanding of what is actually going on.

I am not an authority on this, but I can help explain as I understand it, and Z can critique if I miss some details.   There's a Russian->English language barrier here too, that could be what's leading to some confusion.

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 It is his post and he can do whatever he likes but he will fail as usual. Because the others did not know what ran them they were clueless when asked about the devices or they simply made up gobbly gook.

 I have worked a very long time on TK's devices. It took me years to understand the things I am posting here. It is a travesty that Z says this is the key.. It isn't, it is only a very small part. There is nothing to learn here other then Z has become like the rest. This is a community forum that is interactive. If he wants to write the bible or a diatribe with out debate then so be it but it doesn't fit with reality.

 You say "If you think there is a different principle at work, post your thread collating your research and experiments for others to critique."

 Why should I start a thread and accept critique when Z won't abide by that...

 The reality is that Tesla and subsequently TK knew about a flow in our environment that is not apparent but for the gravity we feel. Plasma is the key. Learn how to condense and attract free energy along with that condensation and you have a natural 100% clean energy that is limitless. Rejecting these observations and you doom us all to obscurity. But open you mind and look at the material I have shown and it will direct you to the real working device.

 What Z is talking about is not novel. Obviously he doesn't know what novel means. It means undiscovered before and it has been discovered before and experimented with.

 I agree with the capacitive coil. It simply works and to be honest I was only trying to correct him on two points. One is that a spark gap is the access point. The other is that the "Concentric capacitor" is not the key.   
 
 Have at it.. Also where is his device proving it? Where is his videos explainijng it and showing the proof. As I was asked to do that then the same should be applied to him...

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jbignes, Z's done an great job describing a relatively consistent concept behind TK's devices and several others.  The references posted are very information dense with lots of details or mathematics (Magpwr, stivep, cosmoLV, H.Aspden).

You may very well have the secrets and be nearly done with a functioning device.  But if you can't 'bring the stone tablets from Mt Sinai' and explain the concepts to the rest of us, it might as well be magic.

Until then, I think ignoring you in this thread may be the right way to go. ::)



...  To be fair, 'Concentric Capacitor' may not not the best name.

"Magneto-dielectric Heat Pump" might be a better description (magnetic flux undergoing compression/expansion rather than refrigerant gases, and timed HV impulses acting as one-way valves). ;)

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For jbigness and any others this may apply to.  If you really think your idea has some merit then why do you want to post about it in a thread someone else has started?   That just doesn't make any sense.  The best place to express your OWN ideas and thoughts are in a thread just for that purpose.  Jumping into someone else's thread and trying to take over to promote your  own ideas is not only rude and disrespectful but it tends to cause people to not want to read what you post.  Why should we take you seriously if you don't even think your ideas deserve a thread just for them?

To start your own thread is very easy.  Just go the appropriate section of the forum and click on the link that says "New Topic".  Then you can have your very own thread.  If you ideas seem to have some merit you can then carry on a discussion with others that may or may not agree with you.

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For jbigness and any others this may apply to.  If you really think your idea has some merit then why do you want to post about it in a thread someone else has started?   That just doesn't make any sense.  The best place to express your OWN ideas and thoughts are in a thread just for that purpose.  Jumping into someone else's thread and trying to take over to promote your  own ideas is not only rude and disrespectful but it tends to cause people to not want to read what you post.  Why should we take you seriously if you don't even think your ideas deserve a thread just for them?

To start your own thread is very easy.  Just go the appropriate section of the forum and click on the link that says "New Topic".  Then you can have your very own thread.  If you ideas seem to have some merit you can then carry on a discussion with others that may or may not agree with you.


 Again why did Z post in the first place? To hear a bunch of followers say good job?

 Again it was stated to me to go and start a new thread on this subject because the author doesn't feel he needs to hear anything other then what he posted. He is the one who posted KEY TO.. Oh really... So that means he has the device in hand and it's working under his misunderstanding of the TESLA device that TK readily admits to, on camera. Plus he professes to know exactly what the other "Similar" devices run on with actual working devices. I think not.

 This is a subject I am well versed on.

 I will not start yet another thread to comment on someones Post in another thread. It's moronic to think I would. There are way to many already and I was informing him with links to information even video information as well. It's called sharing of ideas and information on the subject he posted on.

 My reply's are just that. He professes in title and in sub posts that he knows.. I mean it is the key right? Prove it then... Show me the Concentric capacitor that is the key. Show me how it works with the system.. Oh thats right TK never really showed the whole system. So what do you do then. Like me I thought hey this guy can't explain it then how did he come up with the idea in the first place. Then someone translated the videos and I tell you I wasn't surprised, Yup a True Tesla replication. In fact the more I dug into TK and who he was the more I understood why he didn't know and was keeping parts of it so secret. He is a fraudster because if he really let out that every device he made was a Tesla ripoff then no one would buy it. It's not patentable if there is exact prior art. Hence the little sales pitch under the in house demo with the three coils. You can't sell something that has been posted in the public without copyright on it. It becomes public domain. I mean really this is the reason we can't figure this out. They are too busy trying to find an angle to sell the idea from under the rightful owner.

 I am responding to his posts with facts, linkable facts from the authors of the real system. I figured out a very long time ago where the truth is. It's not with TK and it's not with some magical capacitor.

 I was told to start another thread on the Already stacked TK postings. Well I don't want to.
 I was told to start another thread to post my take on this and accept critiques there.. So Z doesn't have to accept critiques but I do? In another thread?
 Fine have it your way Cifta but I will tell you to talk to Stephan and check before you ask me to be quiet in this forum. I am being civil. Direct but civil. I am posting information with valid links and references to the owner of the information, Tesla.
 So this is about what really?
 Please Tell me Cifta.. Why can't I critique his post? Why can't I engage in debate over this announcement of knowing the key to TK's devices and others? Are you the post police? Almost all the posts I made was to the source of TK's devices. He himself said that clearly in the backyard video. Why can't we then look at Tesla's information and figure this out without lumping 5 inventors together who don't really know whats going on in their devices except for one or two guys.

 You know what never mind. I'm tired of trying to be a part of this community. Pssst. It's not really a community.. It's a pulpit.. LISTEN WHEN I SPEAK and don't talk back you hear...

 I am saddened that Stephan has let this get soo out of control here. People dictating the responses they get.. You know I have had the best debates on this forum about a great many ideas and research but it has gotten pretty dead around here and the ideas are stale. No one can think anymore they regurgitate and demand to have silence from protesters. No one shares ideas anymore about the exact friken device as the subject. I must start yet another thread on the very same device or method? Whats the point.

 Stephan if you read this, well it has been good until now. But I can't keep doing this. The suppression of ideas on the same subject is getting out of hand. I mean why even post on this site then? Whats the point if you can say I don't want to hear anything you have to say if it isn't my thoughts on this. Really on an open source forum? Wow... Just wow...

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Another supplement, the Donald Lee Smith device(s). I'm not sure how it works or if it works at all (hence it is not in the main list here), because the only(?) known presentation video is inconclusive. No clear measurements were taken and the suitcase, the device was connected to, was never opened. In fact Smith almost got angry when he was asked to open the suitcase. But what we know for sure: It is not submerged in oil and it does not emit hazardous radiation; none of the watchers complaint about feeling sick afterwards.

On the other hand, the inner primary coil and the outer secondary coil form a concentric capacitor, whereas the secondary coil (the outer plate) is connected to an additional capacitor, so the concentric capacitor is in a state of resonance. Smith calls it »Resonant Energy Induction Transfer« device.

One more problem with Don Smith is that he shows some other devices he made but none of them in action. They are just dead, inactive doing nothing. Further more, it seems Don Smith is unable to explain the principle of his own simple device (correct the frequency with a resistor?). Thus I'm not sure if Don Smith was not an agent of some kind commissioned to lead astray free energy researchers. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

The DC to AC inverter is rated 200 watts / 5 minutes. There is normally no way to power 10 incandescent light bulbs each 100 watts with it. But are those bulbs really 100 watts each? Is the inverter really untouched or has it been tampered with somehow? Smith refuses to show the battery in the suitcase that powers the device. Why has that allegedly small battery to be in a big suitcase at all? He also worries about the lifetime of the light bulbs - or rather about the lifetime of that battery(?) - so he draws the plug of the device after a few minutes. Further, since Donald Lee Smith passed away in 2010 where is the device and the suitcase now? What about the sales he was talking back in 1996?

And now an interesting twist. Shortly before his death Don Smith apparently told a friend to delete unnecessary parts from his schematic he had added as distractions. So, what do we see now? We see a load connected via diodes to a spark gap which is connected to a capacitor charged with high voltage, so the spark discharges that capacitor rapidly into the load (the old schematic shows vice versa a spark that charges a capacitor). Haven't we seen this somewhere before? Yes, it is almost the Frolov schematic. A strange coincidence once again. Don Smith about his latest device »If you saw it, you wouldn't think that it does anything [...] there is no coils [...] there is no capacitors.«

Seems, the count of people claiming a rapidly discharged capacitor can provide additional (free) energy is now at least at three, Smith, Frolov, Hempel. This last link is for you, jbignes5, it is not even a concentric capacitor but he shows you that it works, so maybe it is not you that holds the absolute truth in your hands.


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A few thoughts about the what's taking place in the 'concentric capacitor'.  I'm trying to better understand the process so anyone feel free to stop me if I'm going in the wrong direction.


* The effect does not does not work with DC.  If it did, 2 magnets glued together N->N and a coil would be spitting out tons of power with HV impulses.  The magnets acting like our two opposed coils..
  Someone would have probably discovered this accidentally by now, it would be super easy to test.


* Resonance often (but not always) plays a role in these devices because it is the most efficient way to get many amps of circulating current without overheating the wires.
* Resonance also creates standing waves in opposed coils at certain frequencies.
  I may just be restating the obvious, or maybe it plays a bigger role and I misunderstand.


Question1:

* Does the effect work best when HV is pulsed:
  - Into an expanding magnetic field? (0-90deg)
or
  - Around the highest average current? (60-120deg)
or
  - From the current peak into a falling magnetic field (90-180deg)

 The interrupters on many of these devices seem to have a 50% duty, so my question is which 50% is it running under and why?
   eg: Does the process decrease resistance to expanding fields, maintain or extend fields that are already there, or is it purely a 'tugging' motion that drags the magnetic field past its normal confine into the wires above it?


Question 2:

* Do these effects also show up in Unipolar(homopolar/faraday) motors/generators and if so, how would we experiment around this?
  Most of Hooper's equations deal with lorentz force and motional EMF, and since these are the same factors driving Unipolar generators perhaps we would get interesting effects here?  What materials was TK's rotary generator made of again?

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I'm trying to better understand the process

My understanding: A disconnected but (with high voltage) charged capacitor makes the Aether constantly move between its capacitor plates sideways due to the jitter motion of the Aether itself. When the capacitor is discharged (the faster the better) the inertia of that Aether keeps the Aether moving awhile, so that lagging behind charges the capacitor for free. Logically, if the capacitor plates are concentric in shape that lagging behind can go in circles instead of reaching the end of the capacitor plates, thus a concentric capacitor should be preferred.

A so far unanswered question although would be: Why does the inertia of the Aether not impede the charging process, resulting in a higher charging current? Don't know.

And there is another question: If that works with a capacitor and the electric field, then could it also work with a coil and the magnetic field? What's the difference? The electric field and the magnetic field are both characteristics of the Aether. The difference could be: in order to get a strong magnetic field in a coil we need an iron core. But that core could prevent the lagging effect in case of the magnetic field. Whereas a coil without core could indeed show that lagging effect, hence tapping the Aether energy, but the effect is too weak to be noticed. A second explanation could be: A coil does not keep its charge like a capacitor does, so it is more difficult to short the coil at the correct instant of time. Just my two cents regarding the magnetic field.

Here another thought that just crossed my mind (jbignes5, read carefully): What if we replace that incandescent lamp in the Frolov schematic with a coil - exactly speaking, with a Tesla coil? Then instead of having a lamp lit for free, we would have a Tesla coil drawing sparks for free. 

If we assume - based on theories and experiments - that capacitor C1 can provide more energy on rapid discharge than it was provided with during slow charging, then what could be the implication of this? Could the implication be, that each and every classic Tesla coil puts more energy out than it consumes? Is there no explicit magnifying Tesla transmitter, because all Tesla transmitters and coils are magnifying by nature; thus did we chase a ghost? Was that magnifying part of the Tesla coils hidden in plain view all along? And is it that, why Kapanadze says about his device »This is all Tesla«?

And no, the term »magnifying« does not refer to simply magnifying the voltage. If so, then every ordinary step-up transformer could be called a magnifying transformer.

The secondary coil of T1 has a higher impedance than the primary Tesla coil L1. Hence, the transformer will continuously charge that capacitor more slowly than it is being discharged by L1 through the spark gap.

Has anyone ever measured the output energy of a sparking Tesla coil and then compared it with the energy consumed at the input? So far not to my knowledge.

Of course the problem here would be the same as with the spark gap itself: Drawing sparks for free is fun but pretty useless. So actually we should keep the primary part of the Tesla coil and replace the secondary part with something more practical. Something that steps down the already high voltage instead of stepping it up even further.

And of course, the most practical thing to do would be, to use a concentric capacitor, so we do not need a spark gap for rapid discharge, because we can wrap a pick-up coil around the capacitor (or even inside).


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 Can I ask to be shown the capacitor again please, this concentric capacitor. Don't describe it show me please. This will help me see the process you are trying to describe.

 "And of course, the most practical thing to do would be, to use a concentric capacitor, so we do not need a spark gap for rapid discharge, because we can wrap a pick-up coil around the capacitor (or even inside)."

 Isn't this what I showed with my designs? The bifilar coil has the capacitance built in. Then wrap a solenoid around the bifilar.

 We need the spark gap because we can control aspects about said gap. Distance between the electrodes is a timing device and electromagnetic filtering gives a better punch while crossing the gap ie the magnet on either side of the gap (specific isolation needed here to prevent discharges to the magnets).

 The magnification is from the disruptive discharge. I don't think anything will change that. Plus when the gap shorts the plasma is drawn into the gap facilitating better conduction and adding anything it was holding into the mix. This enhances the process of the disruptive discharge and is part of the source of the magnification.

 Dumping the resultant short to a ground facilitates even more gain but think about this for a sec, Dumping it through a coil that has no self inductance could harvest the huge current flows to the ground. Wrap a coil around that and suck all the current you need from the solenoid. Well to the best of the ability of the solenoid coil. This is why I provided the schematic for the dual pole discharge oscillator for you to see. Follow the arrow from the gap to the ground tied to the inside of the transformer. Part of that flow is induced into the secondary and harvested by the solenoids forming the AC circuit. The wattage output would be at the max capability of the solenoid coils wrapped around the bifilar coils.

 There will be a capacitance setup between the ground and the discharge path of the primary. We usually call this induction. This was the exact method used by TK in the back yard video. Clearly you can see the ground wire from the water pipe go through the center portion of the coils tube.

 Tk wanted to simplify the process and used an inverter/battery setup with a rectifier feeding the battery. A very good idea for looping the system.

 Listen I wasn't attacking your Idea since most of what you say I agree with but this concentric cap idea isn't holding water. It's complicating the system when it was designed way back when the ability to complicate it wasn't there(Ie access to pre-built technology).

 Capacitance is capacitance, everything has it. This is due to matters nature of isolationism. Matter is not truly solid. Everything talks internally via capacitance and induction due to matter dividing the Aether or cold plasma.

 And to answer your question about the Tesla coil. Well the closed loop one isn't a real Tesla coil. Yes it has a spark gap but since it is not tied to the ground in some way it can not use the capacity of the earth to help it become stronger, even if that ground system is a virtual one. The real strength would come from a system that had direct access to the ground. Plus the plasma flow to ground would be strengthened by the direct connection. Thats why using a virtual ground will work but only through the capacitance of the virtual capacitor created between the virtual plate(antenna) and real ground.

 This creates a problem really. the direct connect would be too strong for everyone to utilize. It might be used in the Tower design because we could isolate it from populations to lessen the exposure to the system. The virtual system would be ideal but you have to understand that when you alter the spacing between the elements of the virtual capacity that it would bring it out of resonant condition quickly with the ground. But lets say we used in in a car. The antenna for the virtual ground would kinda be the same through its travel except for over water on bridges and things like that. For a house it would be easy to implement since it is a permanent structure.

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