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Offline FreeEnergy

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Earth Energy Batteries
« on: April 21, 2005, 02:31:00 AM »
Advantages of earth batteries

   1. FREE ENERGY
   2. Long Life needed.
   3. The collection of earth ether energy and conventional (which is an electroplating effect in this case).
   4. Free Energy day or night
   5. cells are replenished by outside weather, etc...
   6. System can be scaled up or down, to get as much power
   7. A great source of free energy for the poor countries that do not have any light source. each family can build to their income. The more money spent on copper the more power! The more Neon or bulb lighting.

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Earth Energy Batteries
« on: April 21, 2005, 02:31:00 AM »

Offline Bruce A. Perreault

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2005, 02:02:08 PM »
If the cells are made correctly they don't have to be buried in the ground.  ;)

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2005, 11:55:09 AM »
I tried this, mesured 0.8 V with a multimeter on one cell, but the Amps are really too weak to get something from it.
Even by adding more cells, I couldn't get more Volts, or more Amps.
I could not even lit a LED.

Did someone try this and got usefull results ?

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2005, 12:46:33 PM »
Hi sam,
I try this too 2 -3 years ago and could also not get better results, one reason is that the earth needs to be moist at all times, and to put them in series is another story, where I am located the soil is mostly totally dry except during the reany season and the humidity is also 80 % of the time verry high, what is contrceptive to, thats why i stopt the experiements in this direction.
greetings
walt


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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2005, 06:47:48 PM »
I just hope somebody had better results than me. However where I live, the soil is often wet, but it doesn't change alot the results.  :-[

It was also very painfull to dig deeper than 1 meter. So I digged diagonally to try to fit the 1.5m cell in a hole.

By the way, I tested various size of zinc rodes. Surprisingly, with a smaller surface I got 0.2 V more than with a big zinc rode.  :o

Just to mention an interesting point. Depending on where I digged the cell I could get different Volts.
I could notice a link with Hartman knots. With active Hartman knots, I could reach 1 V. Elsewhere, I got between 0.6V and 0.75V.
Did someone make a link with Bio-energy/Hartman knots and related topics ?
 

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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2005, 12:18:50 PM »
hi sam,
there is a direct connection between the positiv ( copper) and the zinc. in order to get more out the copper allways seams to be in a ratio of more then 1:60 to 80 in regards to the surface area. if the zinc surface area is bigger then the voltage will go down between 0.15 and 0.4 V.
I did even build a copper square canal type with the size of 8 X 10 X 36 inches, with a 3/8 square zinc bar it brought about 1 V and 10 mA but only if I hold it wet if it is dry it only whould be 0,4V and 2 mA.
it is not worth the effort for me.
greetings
walt

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2005, 02:54:02 AM »
not to mention the fact that the result is a pile of zinc oxide.  Good for sunscreen....

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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2005, 11:22:51 AM »
take a look

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2005, 04:26:13 PM »
When I was in the navy, one of the things we did as gas turbine engineers was corrosion control through zinc anodes.  There were plates in the bilge and other places where moisture(and especially salt water) might accumulate.  As we took advantage of the ocean waters for cooling we placed annodes in the coolant lines to forstall the corrosion of our cooler tube bundles.

One such instance that comes to mind is the cooler for our Allison Gas turbine engines that we used for power generators.  Once a month we would replace a string of annodes that screwed together to form a rod.  Depending on the particular ocean we were in and its salinity, our anodes were corroded.  Most times severly.  I remember a significant loss of zinc over the course of one month, and this is where my misgivings about earth bateries comes from.

How much zinc is lost per unit of power in these earth bateries, and given the cost of zinc what does that translate to as far as dollars per unit of power.  If there is something I am missing, such as that you have an anode that works without the resulting corrosion, then that would be a breakthrough indeed and I would definately be listening.

I don't want this taken as a rant against further research into the principles of earth bateries, merely an illumination of the actual problems.  They work, to be sure, but they are relatively short lived for the materials necessary.  Conventional bateries have been more developed over the years(mainly, I believe, because portability has been a major selling point for the industry) and by unit of material sacrificed, are more reliable and more efficient.  Could the same be done for earth bateries?...I am sure of it.  Is it worth it?...that is the purpose of the questions above.

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Offline Bruce A. Perreault

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2005, 10:45:16 PM »
Yes, there does exist an alloy that does not corrode as fast as zinc. It is a zinc/aluminum alloy that I use in my ion-valve diodes to
generate electrical power. Is anyone paying attention?

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2005, 04:22:03 PM »
Paying attention?.....raptly....

Bruce, it occurs to me that your alloy might be applicable to the earth bateries, but does slower corrosion in an earth context mean less current? 

The oxidation is a byproduct of ion exchange is it not?  and so the rates of both must be related.  Do you have any energy value to oxidation rate numbers?  I also understand that the alloy you use is not the only unique thing about your bateries, so it would stand to reason (which is why I hesitated to jump to the conclusion above) that just because it works in your case, might not mean that it is more suitable for other applications where your other materials are not used.  Thanks for bringing my attention to this.

Again, in the absence of your battery system, would your alloy in a simple burried configuration allow for a better earth battery, or does the reticense to oxydation indicate a slower transfer of current?

Thanks Bruce


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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2005, 08:45:13 PM »
Kysmett,

I do believe that there is something that goes beyond oxidation. The alloy and graphite couple forms a diode and whatever energy oscillations that are occuring at the junction muust be rectified. It is correct that my ion-valve diode offers a very good environment to produce an optinum amount of electrical current but the chosen alloy/graphite couple should also work well buried in the ground if what you are after is an earth battery.

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2005, 05:26:57 AM »
Bruce,

I wonder, do you have any extra sets of these?  I would be more than willing to perform analysis of current versus decomposition when used as an earth battery.  I would, of course, be willing to use whatever burried configuration you think would be optimal, if that is of significance at all.  And I can compare it to the decomposition rates of standard copper/zinc earth batteries.  It would be a simple matter of total power/change in weght.

Thinking about this further, the oxidation of different materials would result in dissimilar wieght changes for the same unit of oxidation.  So in this light I propose that we discuss a setup that would present a fair comparative study.  Once we finalize this we can talk about getting it done.  I admit that I want to look in this direction for answers, but the more I think about it the more difficult it is for me to nail down how to conduct a fair study.  After all, it comes down to unit per molecule oxidized doesn't it, which would be misrepresented by weight, as zinc is heavier than graphite, which is different from any other alloy chosen. 

Any ideas?

Kysmett

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Re: Earth Energy Batteries
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2005, 05:59:14 AM »
Hi Kysmett,

The way I would go about analyzing this is the cost per watt-hour. The only hard part
is to decide what is the lowest useful cell voltage (i.e. the voltage where you stop
measurements). Since a resistive load can be used, the power calculations are easy.

If you build an earth battery let me know. I will help with measurements. To bad my
landlord won't let me dig up the yard!

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