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Author Topic: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"  (Read 25868 times)

Offline Bttr2brnout

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #90 on: December 19, 2016, 07:43:35 PM »
So if you strip all the electrons in order to Ionize the atoms, then shouldn't all the gas be coming off the Cathode?

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
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Offline h20power

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #91 on: December 19, 2016, 08:56:47 PM »
So if you strip all the electrons in order to Ionize the atoms, then shouldn't all the gas be coming off the Cathode?


No, as the water molecule is made up of two different atoms one is ionized by a positive voltage and the other is ionized by a negative voltage. From my understanding the gas production will take place right in the center of the two electrodes if the positive and negative voltages are balanced.


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #92 on: December 20, 2016, 03:03:59 AM »
So if you strip all the electrons in order to Ionize the atoms, then shouldn't all the gas be coming off the Cathode?

This is exactly what I've been working on.  I've been designing and building a HHO generator that uses the principals of a vortex air lift pump1 to raise the water to feed a Kelvin Water Dropper generator to strip the "so-called electrons" for ionization and to build a high voltage potential. 

1.)  Performance Characteristics of Airlift Pumps with Vortex Induced by Tangential Fluid Injection

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2016, 10:48:53 PM »
Titanium ... My friend Rick did a test with Medical grade 1/8th X 9 inch titanium rods. Tap water, 35 volts, 1.75 amps for 1/2 hour.

Doesn't look good as one rod severely pitted after just the one run. He notes that home ionizers use Platinum coated Titanium.

Ron


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #94 on: December 22, 2016, 12:36:35 AM »
Titanium ... My friend Rick did a test with Medical grade 1/8th X 9 inch titanium rods. Tap water, 35 volts, 1.75 amps for 1/2 hour.

Doesn't look good as one rod severely pitted after just the one run. He notes that home ionizers use Platinum coated Titanium.

Ron


Thats no good..


What about graphite , carbon, ferrite,  quarts or other conductive minerals ?

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #94 on: December 22, 2016, 12:36:35 AM »
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Offline i_ron

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #95 on: December 23, 2016, 10:46:59 PM »





Just a hasty pic of my setup, 15 volts, first run, tap water, a small leak, no gas... happy!

Ron


Edit: Not unexpected ... TDS is 021  (Total Disolved Solids)

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #96 on: December 24, 2016, 12:19:32 AM »

Thats no good..


What about graphite , carbon, ferrite,  quarts or other conductive minerals ?
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #97 on: December 24, 2016, 11:33:10 PM »
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I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.

That is a most interesting observation.  It is possible to generate
Ozone by electrolysis of certain salts but this (Sodium Carbonate)
is one I hadn't heard of.  Perhaps it is possible with Sodium
Bi-Carbonate (Baking Soda) as well.  Certainly worth a try.

It is possible that the Lead Dioxide electrode is a necessity and
that it functions as a catalyst for the generation of Ozone.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #98 on: December 25, 2016, 02:00:29 AM »
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.


Hmm I like it, lead is interesting...
They keep finding once in a while very ancient perfectly conserved bodies in lead coffins and a "special" fluid ..
It could be a conservational formula..  in more ways as one.
In our country lead is still considered as a good weather (long time) influence resistant material on roofs
In Alchemy it is a step-stone to gold * smile*
I do wonder if the oxidized layer has influence in production.[/size]


Would it be coïncedential if it would "lead"the way ?







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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #99 on: December 25, 2016, 02:17:02 AM »
A few weeks later s colleague needed to test some ozone detectors and I proubly mentioned that I could generate some for him without using sparks. I had packed up my electrolysis experiment by then so I used some stainless I had laying around. This time I was embarrassed as the same volts and carbonate failed to make any ozone. I figured the lead oxide electrode is a requirement for ozone production. Its easy enough for anyone to replicate, the voltage was between 20 to 30v, electrodes were lead strips about 1/4 to 1/2 inch wide and solution was DI water with enough carbonate to give plenty of bubbles but not too much as to lower the voltage required. Bicarb could work, otherwise boil the bicarb solution as it turns into carbonate in just a few mins.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #100 on: April 24, 2017, 02:36:09 PM »
Any updates on this investigation, its been months.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2017, 03:22:03 PM »
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.
Not ozone because the ozone gas(O3) only forms at high voltages on the ambient air.But seems like Chlorine(CI) which is used in the bleach. ;D


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #102 on: April 25, 2017, 03:24:26 PM »
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.
Hi pomodoro,here is also a quote from wikipedia;"Ozone's odour is sharp, reminiscent of chlorine".

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #103 on: April 25, 2017, 07:18:32 PM »
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I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.
The high current density electrolysis of cooled mildly concentrated sulfuric or (even better) perchloric acid with lead or platinum anode is traditionally recommended for production of ozone in high concentrations (albeit the corona discharge in dry pure oxygen is more convenient). These solutions can be cooled down to -50 ┬░C without freezing and the concentration of ozone reaches nearly 20% of gas produced after then.
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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #104 on: July 17, 2017, 08:40:17 AM »
Could Tinman's system be used in a boat to power its self?...
Self powered hydrogen boat called the Energy Observer is launched. http://www.energy-observer.org/en/#actu

I want to know when the HHO Tinman tugboat sets sail. As an admirer of his work I don't doubt it would be more efficient.

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