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Author Topic: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"  (Read 20496 times)

Offline ramset

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TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« on: November 20, 2016, 10:28:24 AM »
I see the Tinman has started a tutorial On a process to Break The Faraday Limit,
"Gas Production way over what was once thought possible "

Part 1. of the introduction here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8e7dOVzyTM

All comments welcome.

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Chet K

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Offline tinman

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2016, 11:50:05 AM »
Here is video two in the series of video's to come,regarding this project.

Faraday's limit is an MMW of 9.28
We intend on breaking this limit by 230%+

Faraday's limit was set using low voltage-high direct current.
We will be using high voltage-low pulsed current,with a coil shorting circuit to obtain resonance between the cell and source(inductors primary).

This second video is of the cell reassembled after a good clean.
The first and second video provide all information about the cells design,and how all current leakage points where insulated as much as possible.

I am starting at the beginning,so as all interested in replicating,have all the required information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpG0q3TLHk


Brad


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2016, 11:53:36 AM »
Pt 3 is the cell up and running.

We first set some bench marks for the cell,and find out what type of efficiency the cell has on both straight and pulsed DC.

I am still to make the displacement measuring part of the DUT,and so,in this video we are using a recalibrated o2 flow meter.The pill in the flow meter has been changed to suit HHO gas flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KABL2LRP08w


Brad

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2016, 04:07:56 PM »
Hi Brad
I wish you all the best with this
I covered it at Revolution Green


http://revolution-green.com/faraday-hv-hho-production/


Kind Regards
Mark





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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 10:17:33 PM »
Pt 3 is the cell up and running.

Brad


Looks interesting Brad, mind if I join you? I promise to do everything differently, LOL

Here is the start of my cell, never made one before and so would do it differently for the next one.

Drilling the holes: Stainless is tough stuff to drill and will raise quite a bur if you let it. The trick is to sneak up on the finished size with at least two pilot drills, then it is an easy debur of each side of each plate for each drilled hole.

Ron


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 10:17:33 PM »
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Offline i_ron

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 10:23:57 PM »

I am posting the build to encourage fellow replicators. The 15 plates are only 304 Stainless but came in at $60 Canadian.
Purchased from Metal Super Markets.

The gasket material is 1/16 Neoprene from Western Equipment

The Weld-on 16 is primarily for plastics so I thought to try Gorilla Glue, it does wood, stone, metal and seems to be pretty good

The step in the end plates is where I only had that much material on hand. That is two pieces of 3/8 PVC glued together as when one puts the bolts outside the plates the end pates  need to be strong.

Ron


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2016, 12:17:38 AM »
@ Ron

Awsome job on the cell-and your first one  8)

Be good to see what sort of MMW you get from it,under normal DC conditions.


Brad

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
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Offline tinman

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2016, 12:20:46 AM »
Hi Brad
I wish you all the best with this
I covered it at Revolution Green


http://revolution-green.com/faraday-hv-hho-production/


Kind Regards
Mark

Thanks Mark.


Brad

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2016, 12:29:07 AM »
Pt 3 is the cell up and running.

We first set some bench marks for the cell,and find out what type of efficiency the cell has on both straight and pulsed DC.

I am still to make the displacement measuring part of the DUT,and so,in this video we are using a recalibrated o2 flow meter.The pill in the flow meter has been changed to suit HHO gas flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KABL2LRP08w


Brad

Tinman,

Once both measurement methods are complete, and you have stable and consistent runs, you might consider using a cold trap in the gas line to determine how much of the gas flow is water vapor.  You could warm the gas flow after the cold trap to get it back to STP prior to your flow gauges.

Perhaps someone else can suggest an alternate way to dry the gas.

Just a thought...
PW

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2016, 10:23:57 AM »
Tinman,

Once both measurement methods are complete, and you have stable and consistent runs, you might consider using a cold trap in the gas line to determine how much of the gas flow is water vapor.  You could warm the gas flow after the cold trap to get it back to STP prior to your flow gauges.

Perhaps someone else can suggest an alternate way to dry the gas.

Just a thought...
PW

Hi PW

Yes,i already have a condenser,plus primary and secondary dryer's.

The water will also not rise above 30*C,as we are using a high voltage and low current.

I have seen too many video's ,where steam is poring out of the output tube,and they think it is all HHO.
No such error's will happen here.

I will also be subtracting 10% of gas volume from the end result -as an error buffer.


Brad

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2016, 04:04:29 PM »
With HHO production it must be known that many previous researchers abandoned the idea because of the toxicity and the high cost imposed by regulations on disposal of the byproduct left in the cells.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2016, 04:36:41 PM »
With HHO production it must be known that many previous researchers abandoned the idea because of the toxicity and the high cost imposed by regulations on disposal of the byproduct left in the cells.

As we will be using high grade (316L) S/S,and no additives to the water,there will be no byproduct left in the cells.

All water conduct's,no matter how pure it is,as all water is full of H and O atoms.
The less conductive(higher purity)the water is,the higher the voltage we use.
And the higher the voltage we can use,the less current we need--and the less current we use,the lower the temperature the cell will run at. This means that more of the delivered power is used to produce gas,and less used to produce heat-unlike those who used low voltages and high currents--such as that which Faraday's limit was calculated from.


Brad


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2016, 05:44:20 PM »
As we will be using high grade (316L) S/S,and no additives to the water,there will be no byproduct left in the cells.

All water conduct's,no matter how pure it is,as all water is full of H and O atoms.
The less conductive(higher purity)the water is,the higher the voltage we use.
And the higher the voltage we can use,the less current we need--and the less current we use,the lower the temperature the cell will run at. This means that more of the delivered power is used to produce gas,and less used to produce heat-unlike those who used low voltages and high currents--such as that which Faraday's limit was calculated from.

Brad


I might add that this was discussed in the parent forum and the rational was that as this initial effort was proof of concept only then the minimal hazard from test cells could be tolerated but that further production should be moved towards titanium plate material.


quote from article: Also, in stainless steel applications, during the electrolysis process there is a discharge at the cathodes of a very toxic substance named hexavalent chromium. This is especially true if the stainless steel grade is less than 316L. Most companies want you to believe it is "just" rust. The truth is, this hexavalent chromium is brown in color and has been linked to cancer, birth defects and gene defects!! You might have seen this as brown colorized water and deposits in cheaper HHO generators.

http://www.drive60mpg.com/titaniumhho.html

Ron

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2016, 06:52:57 PM »
I was not talking about lo-tech materials (plates, gaskets, screws and stand-offs).

But go ahead, show the birth of an invention: the stem on the cherry.
Anxious to see when Faraday kicks in... Or maybe "Over Faraday HV" has nothing to do with that famous Faraday from electricity books? Time will tell if we're on fleek.


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2016, 01:03:25 AM »
Most people don't realize that during normal electrolysis with just a few volts and a strong electrolyte, the water molecule splits because the electric field at the electrodes is in the order of millions of volts per meter. It can reach 100 million V/m. A strong electrolyte with a small inter electrode distance conduct the current very effectively with very low IxR losses, minimizing heating. The voltage drop thus  occurs mostly across the Helmholtz electric double layer which is nanometers thick, hence the great field.  8)


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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
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