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Author Topic: Magnet force shield  (Read 9202 times)

Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2017, 09:04:43 PM »
@ Norman6538

Vague statements containing too little information (almost none and ....probably not even
10 % enough info) for me to really respond to, except.....

I'm not looking to play a masochistic / daddy role here.   I don't feel sorry for you! I don't belive
you need my help.  I'm not fond of  passive agressive / victim games.

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QUOTE from Norman 6538

"I love the drawings and tested 2 of them but got some unexpected forces that
do not agree with the implications of the drawings and the video you posted
here "  @......

END QUOTE

" I love the drawings"   

thanks......
...........................
" and tested 2 of them" 
 
                 BS
I am totally doubtful that your    "tests"  (which are by the way, once again un-presented) have any where near to a
reasonable degree of  precision and / or are valid as tests.  Sorry but I have not     ever    seen 1 actual measurement
taken by    you and then presented     on this forum... ever.  Don't know that you haven't ever, but I see that,
once again you are stating that you have done measurements, but,  present neither the methods,  nor those
measurements.    Not good Norman...

This is what I keep objecting to   your doing   on my topics.   Hello ?
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"but got some unexpected forces" 

Which / what forces ?  no description is given by you, why ?

not "expected" by who ? you ?
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Can you define "force"... with out looking it up ?
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"that do not agree with the implications of the drawings and the video you posted"

great ?  I'm not asking for yours any ones "agreement"  with any "implications" that I quote "drew, posted, videoed"...
.....................
Do it well and do it your self  ...  and please go away.
            best wishes
         floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2017, 09:04:43 PM »

Offline dieter

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #106 on: March 27, 2017, 01:50:35 AM »
@Floor, I ran it trough femm, this might be interesting. First image is with no shield (set to be air), second with shield according to drawings. Asymetry is weird, may be caused by asymetric surrounding air section. Probably just ignore it. Third picture shows approaching shield.


From what I see, there is indeed a tendency to create an area of low flux density. The reason why may be the high amount of field diffusion and superimposed compensation with the shield.

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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #107 on: March 27, 2017, 03:32:29 AM »
@Dieter

     I'm going to

1. measure the work done to slide the "force shielding magnet" INTO an in between the
repelling magnets position (an input), starting from a distance of around 1 1/2 inch away.

     note this will be done while the two repelling magnets are
          a.  at some distance from one another (that distance is undetermined at this time)
          b.  with the force shielding magnet centered between the repelling magnets.
                     (an input)

2. measure the work done in sliding the force shielding magnet FROM a position of
in between the repelling magnets, (while the repelling magnets are about 1/32 inch from the
force shielding magnet,  each on their side)...... removing the force shielding magnet  TO
about 1 1/2 inch away (an input)

3. measure the work done to bring the repelling magnets to close (1/32 inch each) proximity to
the force shielding magnet (an input)

           note this will be done while one of the repelling magnets is already in a close (1/32 inch)
proximity to the force shielding magnet.  Only one of the repelling magnets will be moved during this
measurement set.

4. measure the work done to close the gap between the repelling magnets, once the
force shielding magnet has been removed to its most distant position (an output
measured in reverse).
     note  this closure is to a distance of the width of the shielding magnet plus 2/32 inch.
             
              the starting width for this closure measurement is undetermined at this time.

                 floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #108 on: March 27, 2017, 03:38:07 AM »
@ Dieter

   thanks for the femm files.
..............
On that other topic.....I was practicing to write a pattent / still thinking that a pattent could
keep an design available to all.

    floor


Offline dieter

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #109 on: March 27, 2017, 04:10:14 AM »
patents are costy, and not granted if already patented, and that research is a lot of work.


However, the patent design guide may be useful.


About femm, it is 2D and does not account for the high horizontal forces due to the flat shape of the stack parts. Femm also tends to see a stack as one single magnet, with a neutral zone in the center. Maybe I should add tiny airgaps between the stack layers. Did you try that, with spacers, eg. 1mm? What is that anyway, I chose "ceramic 8" in Femm.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #109 on: March 27, 2017, 04:10:14 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #110 on: March 27, 2017, 04:20:51 AM »
@ Dieter

The idea to patent "that"... was several years ago.  I researched patenting in the U.S,
pretty thoroughly at that time.
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The magnet stacks are just an easy way for me to create / approximate a single magnet.
 I think that they do a pretty good job of that, and that femm seeing a stack as a single
 magnet is not problematic.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #111 on: March 28, 2017, 10:32:23 PM »
Just another idea I had: this whole measuring business has a complicating tendency. Often we end up, not knowing if our numbers actually are correct.


A simple work cycle setup could be easier. Although a rotation type seems tricky here.


I was thinking, two independent pistons, over pleuel turning a flywheel with gears each, in 90deg. to eachother, so they can be synched in the right timing. the sinusodial motion seems helpful for this effect. Stack piston opening space by being repelled, shield piston moves between, stack piston falls back with low force requirement, shield piston moves out without much force req., stack piston is repelled...


That would be for a repelling varation.


Stack puston could be "stereo" for both stacks.


I actually made gears out of wood (print on paper, glue on, saw, file...) with surprisingly low friction losses (compared to eg. a rubber belt).


By the size of your magnets, the gain should be capable of driving itself.


Fear of failure is still better than disbelief in the possibility of success. Edison needed 1000+ attempts for the lightbulb. Did anyone here actually try 1000 devices? And besides, this is big.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #111 on: March 28, 2017, 10:32:23 PM »
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Offline dieter

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #112 on: March 28, 2017, 10:49:03 PM »
Actually, I didn't saw the gears, but drilled holes (table drill) and filed it mainly. That's quick. Punching the very centers for each hole with a loupe and a nail provides high precision when drilling. Hey, wood rocks ^^

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #113 on: March 28, 2017, 11:14:18 PM »
@Dieter

It looks like Gotoluc is takeing some well derserved time off,
             (at least from the builds in public ?).
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My last presented shielding method, has proven once again to be ineffective.

Friction between the bottom of the repelled magnet stack and an epoxy residue
on the bench, facilitated an miss perseption of the of the shielding
alignment's effectiveness.  That effect is more appearant when viewing
the video than when one is actually manipulateing the magnets oneself.
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User "Woopy's" observations of that "magnet shield" (on the TD replications) topic
were pretty much accurate.  (Thanks Woopy)

          here   @    http://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg502305/#msg502305

Also credit is due user Norman6538 for his observations (on this topic) which may have been
the same / similar to Woopy's, although he did not eloquate them .

When I installed the repelled magnet stack onto my linear bearings / slideing unit
... boom ! .... no buneo ! .... so onward.
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Your last FEMM files may have been more useful than I initially thought they would be.

They led me back toward,  a previously mentioned by me

                   "There is yet another 3 magnet interaction set I want to diagram."

That is the method I'll be putting up next ......but with full details / measurements compleated.

                        I like this one  a lot....although it's a little bit of a complex arrangrement....

                 Thanks
                      best wishes
                                 floor

 

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