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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2016, 10:58:57 PM »
Hi Lota,

It is not clear what you are trying to say.
Are you saying without continuous movement or rotation there is no power?
If so, I agree.
My test device is not made to measure power at this time. Those tests will come in the future rotation device.
Actually, torque is a kind of "power", except that instead of acting across a time period (like Watts acting over seconds to give Joules of energy) it acts across angular displacement (torque acting over radians to give Joules of energy).

No, you don't need to show continuous rotation to demonstrate power or even overunity. Although it would do, if it did!  If you can show an _energy_ surplus during part of a cycle, even if it gets eaten up by mechanical losses in another part of the cycle, you still may be able to show OU without continuous rotation. And you would have a target to aim at: further reduce the losses in the lossy part of the cycle!

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All I'm doing now is trying to find the most efficient magnet geometry.
Since the beginning of my tests this is the first time I'm measuring such a great improvement.

Glad you to see an excellent builder like you is looking at this.

Looking forward to see your build

Luc


Thanks for your input and support Carroll

Luc

Great!

As long as you realize what lota, DRJones, and I are trying to point out about the difference between torque and energy (work), since it is possible to have an increase in torque without having an increase in energy.   ;)

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Re: TD replications
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2016, 02:58:44 AM »

I mean: work in must be greater than work out.Not the strength.

Humm :-\ ... if work in is greater then work out, how do you achieve OU?

I'm building a machine. A combination of gap power and this magnetic system to a generator. I'm thinking, how do I get a continuous rotation. Gap-Power is for linear drive to the magnet.

Ah, Gap-Power of Art Porter. He is a very good and generous man. I went to his home about 2 month ago. We looked at his devices and he let me bring back his first device (aluminum table) which I temporarily modified to test floor's research.
He has also given us an extra coil and magnet set of his latest device used in the video you mentioned.


It's true that you can use magnet in conjunction with electromagnets to more then double a electromagnet magnetic field strength. However, what is not apparent to many experimenters at first (including me till a few years back) is the counter electromagnetic field (CEMF) also doubles in strength which bring you right back to normal electromagnet behavior and is always under unity.
I know for sure as I've tried to beat this for years without any success.
The effect of CEMF was very apparent when I built a super build of my "Mostly Magnet Motor"
The bottom line is, as soon as you turn on a coil (no matter how short the on time or multiple pulses used) if there's a moving magnetic field no matter how powerful your magnets are, you're dead at that point.

Here is a shortcut to understanding the device and the end results: http://overunity.com/8429/mostly-permanent-magnet-motor-with-minimal-input-power/msg420188/#msg420188

Regards

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2016, 03:39:25 AM »
Actually, torque is a kind of "power", except that instead of acting across a time period (like Watts acting over seconds to give Joules of energy) it acts across angular displacement (torque acting over radians to give Joules of energy).

No, you don't need to show continuous rotation to demonstrate power or even overunity. Although it would do, if it did!  If you can show an _energy_ surplus during part of a cycle, even if it gets eaten up by mechanical losses in another part of the cycle, you still may be able to show OU without continuous rotation. And you would have a target to aim at: further reduce the losses in the lossy part of the cycle!

Thanks TK for trying to clear the miscommunication.
I do know that continuous rotation is not needed to demonstrate OU. That was not what I was trying to communicate.

As long as you realize what lota, DRJones, and I are trying to point out about the difference between torque and energy (work), since it is possible to have an increase in torque without having an increase in energy.   ;)

Yes, I also know and agree that an increase in torque does not mean an increase in work. I'm not aware that I have been demonstrating or indicating this anywhere!... if you do see it somewhere, please let me know so I can correctly explain or correct it.

Thanks for your help

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #78 on: December 31, 2016, 11:16:29 AM »
Hello Luc,
It's nice that you talked to Art Potter. A friend of mine is building and testing its solid stat machine. We will see what he can find out. I would like to test this project and this https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Kedron_EDEN_Project.ppt.When I'm done, I'll show it.
I wish all a healthy and prosperous new year.
Lota


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2016, 05:44:48 PM »
Humm :-\ ... if work in is greater then work out, how do you achieve OU?

Ah, Gap-Power of Art Porter. He is a very good and generous man. I went to his home about 2 month ago. We looked at his devices and he let me bring back his first device (aluminum table) which I temporarily modified to test floor's research.
He has also given us an extra coil and magnet set of his latest device used in the video you mentioned.


It's true that you can use magnet in conjunction with electromagnets to more then double a electromagnet magnetic field strength. However, what is not apparent to many experimenters at first (including me till a few years back) is the counter electromagnetic field (CEMF) also doubles in strength which bring you right back to normal electromagnet behavior and is always under unity.
I know for sure as I've tried to beat this for years without any success.
The effect of CEMF was very apparent when I built a super build of my "Mostly Magnet Motor"
The bottom line is, as soon as you turn on a coil (no matter how short the on time or multiple pulses used) if there's a moving magnetic field no matter how powerful your magnets are, you're dead at that point.

Here is a shortcut to understanding the device and the end results: http://overunity.com/8429/mostly-permanent-magnet-motor-with-minimal-input-power/msg420188/#msg420188

Regards

Luc

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Re: TD replications
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Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2017, 04:58:57 PM »
@Gotoluc

             
Nice work / video,   thanks

             floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2017, 06:32:17 AM »
I looked at Gotoluc videos, which are very impressive,
except I would like to see the calculation based on work, and not on torque.
Its fairly easy to do, I think, by multiplying force by the length of the arch
of his apparatus.

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Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #82 on: February 08, 2017, 06:20:17 AM »
Thanks telecom

QUOTE from telecom

"I looked at Gotoluc videos, which are very impressive,
except I would like to see the calculation based on work, and not on torque.
Its fairly easy to do, I think, by multiplying force by the length of the arch
of his apparatus."

END QUOTE

@ TELECOM

If you would please give us a presentation in detail,
of a prescription for / procedure for making those measurements

        and a

clear and direct explanation of the math (how to) integrate the force
over distance of magnets interacting (with examples).

This would be most appreciated.

Also if this is possible, could you present this in the topic below ?

                http://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/

                            best wishes
                                   floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #83 on: February 08, 2017, 07:07:45 AM »
[/font]Humm :-\  ... if work in is greater then work out, how do you achieve OU?Ah, Gap-Power of Art Porter. He is a very good and generous man. I went to his home about 2 month ago. We looked at his devices and he let me bring back his first device (aluminum table) which I temporarily modified to test floor's research. He has also given us an extra coil and magnet set of his latest device used in the video you mentioned.It's true that you can use magnet in conjunction with electromagnets to more then double a electromagnet magnetic field strength. However, what is not apparent to many experimenters at first (including me till a few years back) is the counter electromagnetic field (CEMF) also doubles in strength which bring you right back to normal electromagnet behavior and is always under unity.I know for sure as I've tried to beat this for years without any success.The effect of CEMF was very apparent when I built a super build of my "Mostly Magnet Motor"The bottom line is, as soon as you turn on a coil (no matter how short the on time or multiple pulses used) if there's a moving magnetic field no matter how powerful your magnets are, you're dead at that point.Here is a shortcut to understanding the device and the end results: http://overunity.com/8429/mostly-permanent-magnet-motor-with-minimal-input-power/msg420188/#msg420188RegardsLuc
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I would not agree with that in all detail. Art did tests too, and over a longer period he would have noticed, whether the lead battery recgarge was only recovering or not. IMHO the special thing is the frontal approaching. In Attraction the fluxes of to magnets link, but in repulsion they siege oneanother, allowing the lorentz force of the secondary field (lenz drag) to act its natural orientation, that is 90deg sideways, which is why there is repulsion drag in rotational byepassing.
We talked about that. Hang a wire horizontally in the air, with a dc current. Approch magnet. Wire will go up, 90 deg from approaching direction. Accummulate all wires...
Well, however, that was my impression.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2017, 04:57:56 AM »
Here is an update and results on my idea of using metal shielding pulled in and out between the magnet rings to allow the remaining 220 degrees to rotate through to reset the device.
The test also includes floor's idea of using diametrically magnetized magnets (instead of metal) as shielding to do the same.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqBISjwieY

Tomorrow I'll post another video demonstration of a completely different design which combines part of floor's most recent video demo and my idea of using it which resets every cycle.

Stay tuned

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2017, 04:19:46 PM »
As promised, here is the link to a video demo of a completely new design which resets at every cycles.


Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlDMY1iE5A


@floor, if you would prefer I start a new topic on this device please let me know.


Regards


Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2017, 04:57:44 PM »
Very nice and interesting video.

Thanks Luc!

Carroll


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #87 on: February 09, 2017, 10:39:55 PM »
Very interesting device an results.


But did you measure the average of the pull in the 11mm range?

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« Reply #88 on: February 09, 2017, 10:52:59 PM »
did you measure the average of the pull in the 11mm range?


Yes I did, it doesn't vary much. The low is around 520 grams and high around 565 grams.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #89 on: February 09, 2017, 11:03:13 PM »
That's amazing!

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