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Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #225 on: March 10, 2017, 04:50:21 PM »
@ Allreaders

QUOTE from Nonlinear

"Stefan has closed the thread as well, because the subject is closed (no overunity). Despite the correct disproof, the agenda to mislead and deceive is still in full swing with a show of nice looking contraptions and fake (or grossly erroneous) measurement results. "

END QUOTE

That  thread was not "closed", but rather it was locked at my (floor's) request.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #225 on: March 10, 2017, 04:50:21 PM »

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #226 on: March 10, 2017, 04:59:34 PM »
I am throwing this out deliberately vague.

The force manifested between the slider and disc is independent of any existing velocities.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #227 on: March 10, 2017, 08:41:09 PM »
Luc's current design is different than the original TD setup. 

Quote from: gotoluc
There you have it, you're confused and creating confusion. It's obviously you haven't read all the topics and posts to come to the conclusions in your last post. What I'm working on at present is different then what Floor originally proposed and I first tested.

Well, you fellas don’t get it, do you? I’m fully aware that Luc’s magnet arrangement is slightly different than the original of Floor. It absolutely does not matter along which path you move or twist the two magnets in relation to one another, they still behave like a system of passive and conservative springs. If the force is greater in one direction, then the path to travel will be shorter, and vice versa. If you accurately measure and correctly integrate the total work, you will see that there is no overunity. Not in Floor’s design, not in Luc’s design, not in Joe’s, Fred’s, and Julie’s designs, not in anybodies designs of purely passive permanent magnet systems.

The difference between Floor’s and Luc’s versions are analogous to the difference between this design of Bhaskara’s overbalanced wheel:
http://www.trevorbaylisbrands.com/tbbnew/technology/perpetual/unbalanced.asp
and this modified version called Chain Drive Gravity Machine:
http://pesn.com/2012/01/05/9602001_Free_Energy_Chain_Drive_Gravity_Machine_Open_Source_Project_Launched/

The crackpot line of thinking goes like this:
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I have built the Bhaskara wheel, and damn… it doesn’t work. But wait! I am smarter than Bhaskara was, I will design a chain drive instead, which is completely different and therefore it has nothing to do with Bhaskara’s failed idea.

Then someone who knows physics comes along, and tells the new inventor that his gadget, which is trying to use the same principle of overbalanced weights (as Bahaskara did) to extract free energy from the conservative field of gravity will not work. This can not possibly extract free energy form the conservative field of gravity, just like Bhaskara’s wheel didn’t work, because they both are basically and principally the same.

But our zealous inventor accuses the commenter that he is totally confused and spreads confusion, because he can not even see that the chain drive is totally different from the Bahskara’s drive. Therefore, he must be a crackpot, lacking any integrity, so the audience should despise the commenter and applaud the inventor. LOL.  ;D
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Your error may cause others to question your integrity and reasons for being here.

Oh, really? I am so ashamed that my stupidity and utter ignorance did not allow me to see the difference between your design and Floor’s design. LOL … LOL … LOL  ;D In fact this implicit call of yours that others should question my integrity is one sign of mean agenda and deliberate deception, but there are many more such signs.

I have a long list of such signs and symptoms collected during my reading the threads of Floor and this one, which all together indicate deliberate deception. I don’t claim such a thing lightly, but I do that only because all the telltale signs are present, which are characteristic of an organized hoax. I don’t want to post this list of symptoms (yet) because it would only help the culprits to refine their methods of deception.

If the readers can read between the lines, know some physics, and observe the actions and reactions of the participants, then they will be able to see what I mean. But, if one is a staunch believer in crackpottery, and despite my warnings still believes there is 60% overunity in this system, then he should build the machine himself, and wake up to the reality the hard way.

OK, I said earlier that I will not comment on this subject for a while, but this issue needed to be clarified first. I will withdraw now and observe the show. Will be back at the end of the performance, and respond to the accusations and slander that will be probably aimed at me while I am not around to defend myself.  ;D

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #228 on: March 10, 2017, 09:53:17 PM »
Nonlinear, so you say ferromagnetism and gravity is the same. I would not agree with that. There is a certain basic understanding of magnets, the fridge magnet level. But the longer you really observe and investigate magnetism, the more you'll see that there's more to it.
The fact that we used Teslas design without to improve it for over 100 years shows, how closedminded the establishment really is. Who would finance development of energy-efficient machines when energy is the most lucrative economy in the world? And as soon as something is against the establishment, any pro will drop it immediately. Which is why there are up to this day incredibly simple ways to violate the law of energy conservation, completely unnoticed by mainstream science.


I asked this elsewhere too, please explain me the following:
a certain exact DC pulse on a coil will repell the coil further away from a PM, the stronger thw PM is. Where does that additional energy come from?


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #229 on: March 10, 2017, 10:42:21 PM »
Nonlinear, so you say ferromagnetism and gravity is the same. I would not agree with that. There is a certain basic understanding of magnets, the fridge magnet level. But the longer you really observe and investigate magnetism, the more you'll see that there's more to it.
The fact that we used Teslas design without to improve it for over 100 years shows, how closedminded the establishment really is. Who would finance development of energy-efficient machines when energy is the most lucrative economy in the world? And as soon as something is against the establishment, any pro will drop it immediately. Which is why there are up to this day incredibly simple ways to violate the law of energy conservation, completely unnoticed by mainstream science.


I asked this elsewhere too, please explain me the following:
a certain exact DC pulse on a coil will repell the coil further away from a PM, the stronger thw PM is. Where does that additional energy come from?

You are an idiot, if it was simple I would have seen it, I have watched this forum since 2009.

If it was simple, I would not see the same old gang try russian coils for 5 years now on the Kapanadze forum.

I am ready to say, almost impossible, extremely difficult, and now even more so as the misinformation machine is fully oiled and greasy.

John Bedini was a fraud, the guy did not achieve OU.

And this device was stupid to begin with, another plywood idea from gotoluc. If only a nice build was done in metal, with gearing a precision made CAM to get the timing right

But its always the idiots way of making things, wood, no precision, no design research, no machine shop quotes.

A bunch of silly ass talking idiots wankin around instead of giving money to gotoluc so that we can definitly cross out that idea.

They will however talk their ass off as soon as they see it might not be working, what have you proposed that is better than gotoluc?

Nothing... What have you done? Nothing... Talkers, not walkers... Gotoluc at least is a walker, texas ranger.

Fucking  ass lemmings dont even help gotoluc, the man should not even help you  assholes anymore.

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« Reply #229 on: March 10, 2017, 10:42:21 PM »
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Offline webby1

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #230 on: March 10, 2017, 11:23:51 PM »
Well, you fellas don’t get it, do you?

The crackpot line of thinking goes like this:


OK, I said earlier that I will not comment on this subject for a while, but this issue needed to be clarified first. I will withdraw now and observe the show. Will be back at the end of the performance, and respond to the accusations and slander that will be probably aimed at me while I am not around to defend myself.  ;D

The tone of your diatribe and accusations sounds very familiar,,

Floor, Luc,, you should take solace in the understanding that if the "list" was applied to many from the past you would be on a list including the likes of Tesla.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #231 on: March 11, 2017, 12:02:23 AM »
I asked this elsewhere too, please explain me the following:
a certain exact DC pulse on a coil will repell the coil further away from a PM, the stronger thw PM is. Where does that additional energy come from?

Hi Dieter,

I think you would be beter served if you answered your own question.

I will ask you a few question.

What is equal and opposite?

Are the interactions for all parts the same by distance?

You should be able to run a few tests and then answer your question for yourself.

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« Reply #231 on: March 11, 2017, 12:02:23 AM »
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Offline Cairun

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #232 on: March 11, 2017, 01:32:20 PM »

Nonlinear,

Well, you fellas don’t get it, do you? I’m fully aware that Luc’s magnet arrangement is slightly different than the original of Floor. It absolutely does not matter along which path you move or twist the two magnets in relation to one another, they still behave like a system of passive and conservative springs. If the force is greater in one direction, then the path to travel will be shorter, and vice versa. If you accurately measure and correctly integrate the total work, you will see that there is no overunity. Not in Floor’s design, not in Luc’s design, not in Joe’s, Fred’s, and Julie’s designs, not in anybodies designs of purely passive permanent magnet systems.


It is because we can see the profound difference between and potential of Floor's and Luc's designs that we continue with our support.
Minor differences in a design can mean the difference between a working product and a failed product.  Maybe you are unable to see the difference or you simply refuse to see the difference.


I believe your intentions at an earlier time were good, so please stop with the defamation of Floor and Luc and provide constructive criticism instead.  Perhaps, you think that your earlier input was not well received, but Floor and Luc can only do so much at any given time.  They are offering their knowledge to the public without asking for anything in return, deliberate deception will not amount to any gain for them.


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If the readers can read between the lines, know some physics, and observe the actions and reactions of the participants, then they will be able to see what I mean. But, if one is a staunch believer in crackpottery, and despite my warnings still believes there is 60% overunity in this system, then he should build the machine himself, and wake up to the reality the hard way.


It is a good suggestion that anyone able should experiment themselves to see if an idea will work or not.
I will certainly conduct independent measurements to verify Luc's measurement results.


Regards,
Alex

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #233 on: March 12, 2017, 12:44:20 AM »
@ Cairun

Nice concept / design...very nice.

   thanks for sharing

               floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #234 on: March 13, 2017, 02:54:33 AM »
@ Gotoluc

    I think you / we have done...  really a superior job, especially given that the experiments
and presentations have been done on the fly, and in a public forum as well !

As far as I am aware of, and as of this point in time...

             ALL points of have been well covered by us without our objection
                       in terms of the full ....

presentation of the devices used
presentation of the methods of measurement
presentation of the mathematics used
answering all posed questions with our goal.... the legitimate satisfaction by the questioner.

We have acknowledged all of the apparent dead ends with out dispute.
We have openly discussed all advice and all suggested approaches to
our processes.
We have pursued and achieved significant improvement in the designs.

And at this point we are about to make some real progress in terms of
coming to a clear and valid determination of a margin of error.

This was the point we had at already arrived at and were preparing for
by GotoLuc's larger build (before the recent flaming outbreaks).  no big deal

Greater forces and greater displacement, can give a greater precision and
reduce the margin of error.

   wow... its all, still intact, still progressing     and still its amazing.....

                              cheers !
                                    floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #235 on: March 13, 2017, 06:56:18 PM »
Hi Floor and everyone

Over the weekend I setup a scale measuring apparatus to the v.2 magnet torque amplifier as I was getting way under unity from the generators output.
After 10 hours of detailed scale samples and calculations to my surprise the input force for one cycle is exactly the same as the output force :(
It was hard the believe since the first model sowed around 60% gain. So this morning I decided to re-measure the first device with the most care to details.
Now the first device is showing a 10% gain which could be caused by accumulative errors from the 5 gram resolution scale.
What I found could of cause the 60% gain error is by using a different input rotor magnet then the one used for the 11mm output.
I check the rotor magnets and found they have different magnetization force. So most likely that's what happened plus the scale resolution problem.

Sorry but looks like this configuration also has no gain.

Not a big loss (other then time) as the v.2 costs were the magnets and sliders $90. and I can still use them on other experiments.

Kind regards

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #236 on: March 13, 2017, 11:12:52 PM »
@ GotoLuc

   OK thanks Luc
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #237 on: March 14, 2017, 03:08:27 AM »
Armcortex and Webby, why are you quoting and attacking me, just to disgustingly suck up to Gotoluc?


I just trued to support his point. But you even didn't get that.


And you could not answer my question. Just some angry ejaculation of bs, like a mental kid in a sandbox, parroting his violent parents.


Go seek the responsibles for your traumata, but get off my back.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #238 on: March 14, 2017, 03:17:49 AM »
Hey Luc, sorry bout that offtopic steam...


Kudos for having the balls to report the outcome. This serious and rational behaviour helps all of us.


As you've got a bunch of strong PMs now, think about what I said above, the question about the paradoxon (see also my latest pdf in the downloads).

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #239 on: March 14, 2017, 05:53:07 AM »
Armcortex and Webby, why are you quoting and attacking me, just to disgustingly suck up to Gotoluc?

You asked a question and I proposed that you would benefit more if you answered your own question and then tried to suggest how to view the setup and how to interpret what you could see IF you looked at it differently than you are.

Have you found the answer to your question?  another hint,, the coil needs something to push against.

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