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Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2016, 03:08:25 AM »
Thanks Luc
               and others
             
The topic  Magnets, motion and measurement
was created for beginners like me to discuss basic physics.

I would like the  Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2  to be for general
discussion of the TD principle.  All of my presentations, documents, and
so on can be found there

and the present topic TD replications    for TD replications presentations.

                         but what ever

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2016, 03:08:25 AM »

Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2016, 03:21:09 AM »
@gotoluc

Quote from Luc
"Hopefully now this will encourage the great minds to suggest mechanisms which could capitalize on this effect to turn this into continuous rotation."  End Quote

If it's O.U... it doesn't need to be turned into continous rotation.
Recipricating motion is just fine.  However, momentum could be partially conserved
by convertion to ratational after the recipricating.  Think about it, I mean doing so
wouldn't exactly be wasteful, would it ?

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2016, 03:23:04 AM »
Not sure what you mean on that last one,, do you mean that I was not to far off?


Yes

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2016, 03:52:30 AM »
Hi floor,
I've edited my post to hopefully reflect your instructions: http://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg496651/#msg496651


If it's O.U... it doesn't need to be turned into continous rotation. Recipricating motion is just fine.  However, momentum could be partially conservedby convertion to ratational after the recipricating.  Think about it, I mean doing sowouldn't exactly be wasteful, would it ?


I agree and maybe reciprocal would be the first device to build but I think a rotational device would be a more practical and adaptable device.

Regards


Luc


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2016, 06:26:48 AM »
Or a 3 disc setup so that the linear stroke moves to engaged for one disc but disengaged for the other.

This might, in the beginning, not allow so much conservation of momentum,, unless a flywheel was on a one way bearing.

What this would do is get rid of the cost to reset the torque arm and leave you with the double cost of the engage and disengage at the same time.

One of the  ones I did many years ago,, I used gravity and had the torque accelerate an arm with weight upwards,, the speed at the end of rotation would have the weight carry on further up and around and I was trying to use the return of the weight back down to reset.

Sorry Floor for the intrusion.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2016, 06:47:33 AM »
Dear webby1

I consider your input constructive and not intrusive.

Can you post a video, pics or drawing of your device. It would help to visualize your explanation

Thanks

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2016, 07:29:12 AM »
It was close enough to the one you have to call it.

With mine I had the torque arm swing upwards when released,, the arm was connected  to another arm( to push the arm up when it went up) that was on a bearing on the same shaft so it would keep moving when the torque arm stopped.

The thing that I noticed, and why I went that way, was the rate of acceleration increase as the magnets got closer to lining up,, with the force change by the square of the change in distance it made sense.

It is easy enough to set the arm and weight,, the lower the starting point for the arm the less force needed to start acceleration.  I changed the weight and that start angle to get what looked to me to be the best bang for the buck, that would be the most weight shot up the furthest arc,, like yours I did not use a full 90 degrees, closer to 75 IIRC,, but yours being even shorter might be better for that.

By the way,, increasing force does not always mean an increase,, your system went from 164% without the torque arm reset down to 141%

The momentum could maybe be a flywheel that can freewheel one way so you could have the luxury of time to slide the linear magnet from one side to the other,, I never got around to finishing that one,, sidetracked by other stuff.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2016, 08:54:52 PM »
@Webby

Please, not considered an intrusion by me either, I appreciate your Knowledge
and input.

@ all readers

But this topic is not for theories, nor design "improvements"... nor of or for an
"in the future working motor design" etc..

The project needs to have a robust body of evidence.
The project NEEDS and appreciates,... multiple (reasonably similar), well done and well described replications.

Some details are directly related to that goal, others will tend to clutter the topic or even worse
side track it.

If you will, ....please give us all, a fantastic replication, well described, ... and answer any an all
inquires as to it's mechanical operation.

Straight up empirical only, IE. videos, measurements, descriptions, calcs and so on.
No abstractions here please.

I hope my reasoning for this understandable.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2016, 11:41:56 PM »
@Floor
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If you will, ....please give us all, a fantastic replication, well described, ... and answer any an all [/size]inquires as to it's mechanical operation. Straight up empirical only, IE. videos, measurements, descriptions, calcs and so on. No abstractions here please.I hope my reasoning for this understandable.


A couple of years ago I saw a video of a working machine which was identical to this concept using four or five rotor sections translating a reciprocal magnet motion to a rotating magnet disk. I believe the device had multiple patents over many years thus this is by no means a new technology.


The inventor also mentioned that out of the many working machines he had built only a few demonstrated efficiency high enough to warrant a practical machine. As such I think that rather than trying to reinvent the wheel 10 years too late some thought should go towards a more practical design. I will try to find the name of the inventor and the patents covering this effect if i can.


AC

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2016, 12:36:38 AM »
@allcanadian

Wrong topic for your posting here.  Please post that pattent if you find it,
in the work from 2 magnets topic. A larger body of evidence is good.

@Gotoluc

Some observations on your device.

please see the attached PNG files.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2016, 02:55:44 PM »
Hi floor


yes you're right!... I've addressed it in test 2 video and also yesterday made modification to correct it (see below pic) by adding a counter weight on the opposite side of the arm which was intended for that purpose.


Thanks


Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2016, 02:59:21 PM »
Hi everyone,


Below is test 3 demo which uses a different magnet geometry more like the shape floor used in his test device.


Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKHtXVw28Qc


Luc


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2016, 03:26:26 PM »
The below is test 3 Input Torque curve chart.
Keep in mind these are Foot Grams measured on the 12 inch torque arms.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2016, 03:42:02 PM »
And here is test 3 Output Torque curve chart.
Keep in mind these are Foot Grams measured on the 12 inch torque arms.

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2016, 04:10:22 AM »
  Good work, Luc!
 It is indeed curious.  I've been thinking of ways to convert the action here to a continuous motion, using gravity to drop an upper magnet (at right angles) in close proximity to the lower magnet prior to the "twisting phase" - then using energy from the twisting phase to raise the upper magnet back up to the starting height then turn it 90deg to the starting position. That is the more difficult action to resolve (for me). 


This would be a small model involving oscillating (engage-disengage) as well as rotary (torque) motions ... 
A small test device that would keep moving would be an awesome Christmas present to the world!

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