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Why Over-Unity is Possible
« on: November 17, 2016, 03:39:04 AM »

Over-Unity Vs the Law of Conservation of Energy


The law of conservation of energy states that, inside a closed (isolated) system, the total energy remains constant. IE, Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only be transformed. This is true.


This law is applied towards the concept of over-unity as a negation, in that, if energy can neither be created nor destroyed and that the energy within an isolated system must remain constant, then no more energy can be taken from a system than is put into the system. Sounds logical, correct?


Wrong.


The problem is that the people applying the law are misapplying it. Most are unconsciously limiting the measurement of the system. A few do it consciously. There exists a bias in science toward the notion of perpetual motion, when in reality, perpetual motion systems abound in this universe.


Consider electrons. Electrons zip around their atoms, eon after eon, generating their minuscule magnetic fields without any energy being added to the system, though they are by definition giving off energy due to their motion through space/time in seeming direct confliction with the law of conservation of energy and the process of entropy. 


Cosmologists are constantly faced with the big picture. They are forced to deal with the only truly isolated system in the universe, which is the universe as a whole. All other systems within the main system are but non-isolated subsystems of the whole. Cosmologists are starting to understand that space/time itself contains energy, even without the presence of either light or matter.  They are discovering that space/time actively interacts with matter, imparting energy to said matter, and that this principle is responsible for the increase in speed of the expansion of the universe, instead of slowing down due to entropy as previously thought. It is only on cosmological scales that you find systems that can be truly called 'isolated' in any real sense.


What this means, in reference to the concept of over-unity, is that all forms of energy upon a sub-system must be accounted for to determine unity and to consider the subsystem as being 'isolated' to apply the law and the process accurately. Basically, over-unity does not exist in reality, though over-unity CAN exist in practicality due to our lack of understanding of the energy acting upon the sub-system.


For instance, if I hook up a nine-volt battery to an electronic circuit, to power said circuit, can I say it is the only energy acting upon the circuit? If the circuit is unshielded, then I can list numerous forms of energy sources right now which can act upon every wire, coil, and circuit trace within said circuit from outside sources. Many of these energy sources would not produce electricity, such as gravity. Many others might. Some, like electromagnetic waves produced by house wiring, radio towers, power lines, cellphone towers, etc., all the way to lighting strikes and electromagnetic storms in space would all generate from the immeasurable to quantitative amounts of energy within that supposedly isolated 'system'. This electrical generation would be either additive or subtractive to the input of the nine-volt battery when considering the total available energy within the sub-system. This energy usually is given the name -- interference -- and every electrical engineer designing circuitry must find ways to eliminate it for proper circuit function.


I restate, the main reason for the possibility of over-unity is a misapplication of the term isolated system.


Though this may sound stupid, one good example of an over-unity device is a circuit run by a solar cell. It is a matter of subjective perspective. To an 19th century physicist, it would have been almost magic. To an early 20th century physicist, it would have been perpetual motion. to a 21th century physicist, it is what powers their calculators and energizes their house. The problem is that energy can be converted from one form to another. Heat and light, among other probable energy sources, can be converted directly to electricity. However, before their processes were understood, peltier junction devices, solar cells, etc., would have all been deemed over-unity or perpetual motion due to the misapplication of the very laws and processes in question.


Another area for over-unity is a misjudgment of efficiency. If I state that conversion of electricity to heat through a resistance is the best measurement of efficiency, I would be a laughable idiot. Unity is 100% efficiency, or complete conversion with no losses. Many devices could claim over-unity simply because they are more efficient than the standard of measurement used for comparison.


What over-unity researchers are looking for is actually the newest form of 'solar cell', so to speak; a device that transforms one form of energy to another or greater efficiency than the measuring standard. If either is achieved, then the researcher has temporarily achieved over-unity -- until the process is understood and the measuring standards are reset. After that, they simply 'discovered a new solar cell'. 


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Why Over-Unity is Possible
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2016, 04:00:59 AM »
 Very good!
 Just what I have been saying for years now.
 I agree 100%. Good job.

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2016, 08:10:53 AM »
That was a good post.

The fist problem with overunity is that it implies more than unity which is not be the case. It is in effect a perceptual problem which relates to people with a superficial mind set which they falsely call common sense. On the other hand intelligent more informed people tend to look past simple surface effects and try to understand concepts and processes in a more all encompassing or universal sense.

What many fail to grasp is the concept of "Energy" more so all Energy in a universal sense. For instance if energy is truly conserved then where does all the energy go from the trillions upon trillions of stars not unlike our Sun throughout the universe?. Energy cannot just disappear thus the whole universe must be full of Energy which radiated from every star for billions upon billions of years in every direction saturating every space. As such there is no need to imagine where all energy comes from as we already know because "energy is conserved".

As you implied, we do have a very real conceptual problem with energy and also with ways and means to extract energy in a practical manner. That is we know we are swimming in a sea of energy and energy is conserved however finding practical ways to utilize the various forms of energy is an issue. This relates back to the superficial mind set and it helps to understand that probably 95% of the population still equates energy with the burning of things to create energy which is actually a transformation of energy. As such the Energy crisis is actually an understanding crisis which relates to false perceptions and popular opinions.

The problem with energy isn't all that difficult to understand in a general sense. The whole universe and matter are saturated with energy in various forms relating to the Primary Fields (Electric, Magnetic and Gravic). All tangible matter is 99% fields and 1% matter and all space is saturated with the Primary fields otherwise energy could not translate from one place to another nor could it be conserved. Thus the access point to unlimited energy is not with simple physical interactions but Primary Field interactions relating to matter. That is we manipulate the primary fields in various ways to create an energy sink which allows us to access the greater universal field energy.

I also use the solar cell as an example for all free energy devices and the process is in fact very similar. We could say a free energy device simply uses different parts of the Electro-Magnetic spectrum rather than visible light like a solar cell which is why it works 24/7.  Consider the fact that a solar cell does in fact work all of the time 24/7 in outer space when facing the Sun and you get the picture. Thus the only time a solar cell does not work all the time is on Earth because our planet is rotating. In 99% of the rest of the universe a solar cell does work all the time to some degree because of star light so our perception in this respect is very biased. Earth is not the universe... it is a very small place and an exception to most other places in the universe.

The moment we open our mind and use a more universal mind set free of superficial views free energy is fairly easy to understand if not obvious in my opinion.

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2016, 12:43:12 PM »
IMO the energy gets preserved across dimensions, so that once our world isn't strictly 3-dimensional, then the energy can leak from/into our space-time. It's an analogy of the surface wave scattering at the water surface - the two-dimensional surface ripples (analogy of light) are complemented there with more subtle longitudinal waves (analogy of scalar waves of vacuum), which spread across third dimension of it. The higher dimensions manifest itself for example with vacuum fluctuations and/or with orbital/angular polarization of light. Therefore the draining the energy from vacuum fluctuations is analogous to the extraction of energy from underwater sound waves with surface waves at the water surface.

The simplest way how to imagine it is the rectifying of thermal voltage fluctuations of material. Once we use 3D diode for it, then these fluctuations will compensate itself with thermal fluctuations of diode itself, so that we cannot get the energy from it. But if we would use 2D diode (for example in form of carbon nanotubes), then the voltage induced at the diode will become larger than the average voltage spikes within bulk of material, so we can utilize them in an external devices. The key in utilization of negentropy phenomena is therefore usage of low-dimensional materials: the superconductors, topological insulators, graphene and ferromagnetics in monopole arrangement, during which the motion of electrons get spatially constrained.


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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 01:27:07 PM »
For me the biggest hole in the physics world view of today is the notion that the electron spinning (or whatever it is doing) around the nucleus does not need an energy source. A similar strange concept is that a permanent magnet stuck to a steel ceiling does not need an energy source to hold its own weight (or even more than its own weight).

Once this energy source is discovered new ways to convert it to e.g. electricity or heat will be available.

May be this mysterious energy source is a basic feature of space time.

The sun will not shine forever, but on the human scale it is an endless energy source. In a similar way space time will not provide energy forever (to spin the electrons and to hold permanent magnets) but even on a cosmological scale it might seem to be endless.

To put it in a very naïve way: the big bang created this basic energy source and it is slowly spent by whatever exists. It might take eons till it is completely used up (dissipated) and it will take a new big bang to start all over.

My hope is that we detect this underlying energy of space time and can use it eventually. Like the electron or the permanent magnet we might be able to tap into this underlying energy source.

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 03:35:42 PM »
"A similar strange concept is that a permanent magnet stuck to a steel ceiling does not need an energy source to hold its own weight (or even more than its own weight)." it does not need an energy source because no WORK is being done and no ENERGY is used.

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For me the biggest hole in the physics world view of today is the notion that the electron spinning (or whatever it is doing) around the nucleus does not need an energy source. A similar strange concept is that a permanent magnet stuck to a steel ceiling does not need an energy source to hold its own weight (or even more than its own weight).

Once this energy source is discovered new ways to convert it to e.g. electricity or heat will be available.

May be this mysterious energy source is a basic feature of space time.

The sun will not shine forever, but on the human scale it is an endless energy source. In a similar way space time will not provide energy forever (to spin the electrons and to hold permanent magnets) but even on a cosmological scale it might seem to be endless.

To put it in a very naïve way: the big bang created this basic energy source and it is slowly spent by whatever exists. It might take eons till it is completely used up (dissipated) and it will take a new big bang to start all over.

My hope is that we detect this underlying energy of space time and can use it eventually. Like the electron or the permanent magnet we might be able to tap into this underlying energy source.

Greetings, Conrad

 Well they are different concepts you are wrestling with.

 Lets take an electron. The energy we assume is there is actually from the body of the matter itself in an electric field. This is the energy of the electron which is actually a ghost charge or reflection of the atom or electrical condition of matter itself. Since matter is in an electric field provided by a plasma field it has a never ending supply of potential energy and simply attracts more plasma to it's center. Plasma's form double layers and those are the electron shells so to speak.
 A magnet is a wholly different aspect. Take a material that is magnetically sensitive and heat it up to it's currie temperature, phase change, and apply a high magnetic field to it and let the material drop below that currie temperature, which locks in that magnetic flow within the matters whole body. Does the magnetic device now do work? Yes it does. Even if it is just stuck to the ceiling it is still working to stay where it is against gravity. It's capability to do that work has been locked into the matter itself. Now heat that stuck magnet up and it will fall away unable to maintain even it's own weight. Care to reason why heat does this? Heat is a form of energy. When you heat something up it expands. What exactly is expanding then? The plasma bound between the matter is the answer or plasmoids to be exact.
 
Lets reason what magnetism is then. Magnetism in all intense and purpose is high density plasma flowing in sheaths. A magnet is nothing more then matter that has been highly electrified drawing in a higher density of plasma from it's surrounding and then allowed to cool with that higher density of plasma bound in between the matter of the magnet. Once this is done it locks in the plasma flows almost permanently. Meaning if you raise the heat or charges into the magnet it spreads the distance between the matter and some of the plasma leaks away or becomes unbound.

 We can simulate a magnet via the electric field and matter being in that electric field can become more magnetic or have an increased plasma density to it via the electric field. Magnetism is the plasma condensed into a flow. Magnetism is a very conservative field. Meaning it can not become non conservative so it must change into a potential field again if matter is not there to hold it. Plasma wants to be uniform across the body of that plasma. Plasma is highly reactive to the electric field which is non conservative in nature. Plasma is not a state of matter it is everywhere that matter is not. That even includes between matters components. Plasma connects all matter because matter displaces the plasma field to a certain degree. This causes matters "energy" we see via a vacuum of plasma. But the plasma want to be even and seeks out the vacuum and flows to the greatest vacuum presented to the plasma field trying to fulfill it's job of maintaining uniformity to that plasma field.

 Now this leads me to the Big Bang you mentioned. Entropy is the mechanic we need to apply here. But we must not forget that there are events happening in the Universe that churn up the system. Between two solid bodies of plasma matter divides the plasma. It has density lower then the two solid bodies of plasma or condensed plasma. These bodies can be light years apart and light years in size. When matter explodes into space it churns up the plasma bodies creating chaos from the stillness of the whole plasma body and increases the division of the plasma. It is in a never ending cycle of this. Order to chaos and back to order again etc. Matter knows about the rest of the matter within that plasma field because of the electric field within that plasma body. It knows instantly when a particle or atom of matter moves within that field because plasma is bound by the electric field and instant communication across that body of plasma is a law. If not then we would have surely flew away from our sun if the speed of light was a factor in gravity. We know it takes 8 minutes for light to travel from the Sun to the Earth. If the speed of light was a determining factor in how we circle the Sun then 8 minutes would be enough time to sling us out into space from our orbit. Yet here we are.

 Ok so I mentioned Gravity. Here it goes..
 Gravity is nothing but the plasma condensed from our Sun around our planet trying to flow to the vacuum of plasma in the center of our planet. Remember matter displaces plasma. Around our planet are double layers of plasma densities. The highest densities are nearer to the ionosphere. This is because of the higher voltage present in that layer, around +365k Volts. Plasma conducts electric potentials right? The lack of plasma conducts less right?
 Now the density of plasma around our planet and it's change in density is what gravity is. You could understand this quite easily by this analogy: Take the same mechanics we see in a body of water and apply it upside down above the water. When a body of matter is tossed high above the surface of the water it is buoyant to the surface just like it happens in water. Lets take helium as an example as well. This would be like throwing a stone in the water. It is less buoyant then water and sinks to the bottom of the water. Helium is less buoyant then the plasma surrounding our planet so it sinks to the bottom of the inverted water scenario.  This is due to the plasma trapped in between the atoms of helium. Like likes like, even in the density of plasma.

 Now these are not the whole truth about these situations. Only what I have worked out with many others in this field. I am trying to devise ways to prove this beyond a shadow of doubt. It will take some time.

 I'm at the point that I can relate a standing wave around matter to the plasma layers around that matter. The electron shells are merely increased conduction paths forming the standing wave patter we see. No need for additional energy in that system as I can tell and the charges we impart to matter do work via those layers around that matter.

 One way to take advantage of the situation as I see it is to increase the plasma density and let it flow to a natural source of displacement of that plasma we target for the vacuum action. Increased plasma allows for better conduction both in matter and free space. Increase it's density and channel it through your device and allow it to flow out. Generation is merely passive at that point hooking to a type of hose analogy. Constrict the flow and the potential raises via the z-pinch rule, just like what happens when you constrict the flow of water in a hose raises the pressure behind the pinch and increases the speed of that water and the force it imparts.

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 04:55:54 PM »
"A similar strange concept is that a permanent magnet stuck to a steel ceiling does not need an energy source to hold its own weight (or even more than its own weight)." it does not need an energy source because no WORK is being done and no ENERGY is used.


Hi,
Thats typical answer from physics..


But consider the following example:
To the ceiling is via magnet attached a sack with bullets. Now you add additional bullets till the sack with final weight M falls to the ground.
I hope we can agree that kinetic energy of the sack at the ground will be smaller comparing to the normal fall  from the same height as magnet slows down the fall.
Now, where is this energy difference lost? Gravity performed work. So did magnet preventing fall at the beginning. So who paid for this slowdown?


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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2016, 05:23:17 PM »

"A similar strange concept is that a permanent magnet stuck to a steel ceiling does not need an energy source to hold its own weight (or even more than its own weight)." it does not need an energy source because no WORK is being done and no ENERGY is used.

Thank you for mentioning the standard explanation. I was aware of it but it sounds like the teleological argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument . It is a clever logical word play and I have no good counter argument besides that it sounds tricky.

@ jbignes5: I am overhelmed, too much for me, I can not follow your arguments, they might be right.

I like the Em Drive Engine http://en.yibada.com/articles/157695/20160906/aiaa-will-publish-peer-reviewed-study-controversial-em-drive-engine.htm which points to some underlying reality (underneath the quantum reality might be more).

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2016, 05:46:31 PM »
"It is a clever logical word play and I have no good counter argument besides that it sounds tricky." why do you think it's a 'word play'? "It sounds tricky"; as an argument that is equivalent to saying 'it does not feel right'; neither is a scientific argument.

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2016, 06:38:38 PM »

"It is a clever logical word play and I have no good counter argument besides that it sounds tricky." why do you think it's a 'word play'? "It sounds tricky"; as an argument that is equivalent to saying 'it does not feel right'; neither is a scientific argument.

Why it is a tricky argument: current theory demands that no work is done otherwise it would break down. And of course the assumption is made that no work is done. This is kind of circular.

But if you are happy with the "no work is done" explanation, so be it.

What is a scientific argument: on the fundamental level most arguments are axiomatic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom , meaning they are assumed and can not be proven. So, it comes down to belief. There might be many arguments leading to an axoim (to a belief), but in the end there is no proof just assumption.

So, within the assumptions (the axioms established by the establishment) of current physics theory "no work is allowed to be done".

The "no work is done" explanation sounds to me more like a requirement than a proven fact. And you might call that feeling unscientific.

Axioms are the end of every scientific argument, believe the axiom or do not believe it. Both is scientific.

I do not want to convince any one. I am reporting a feeling or an impression which is always dificult to convey or to be understood by others. I have the feeling that the axioms leading to the "no work is done" assumption are not sound.

Fore someone believing in an axiom it might be unscientific to question this axiom. But this is for sure unscientific, because it would exclude discussion of axioms.

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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2016, 07:10:26 PM »


Hi,
Thats typical answer from physics..

But consider the following example:
To the ceiling is via magnet attached a sack with bullets. Now you add additional bullets till the sack with final weight M falls to the ground.
I hope we can agree that kinetic energy of the sack at the ground will be smaller comparing to the normal fall  from the same height as magnet slows down the fall.
Now, where is this energy difference lost? Gravity performed work. So did magnet preventing fall at the beginning. So who paid for this slowdown?

Marcel

This example is exactly what makes me feel uneasy with the "no work is done " requirement (according to me it is not a proved fact but a requirement of current theory).

Similar problems exist with the requirement that "the electron does not need energy to spin around the nucleus" (according to me it is not a proved fact but also a requirement of current theory).

But who am I? I do not want to convince any body, I know much too little and every person versed in the slang of current physics theory could talk me down in an instant.

Hopefully science will progress and more about the underlying reality (beyond particle physics) will be understood. The particle zoo is just too crazy to be the last word. I think I understand quantum weirdness, but there should be more underneath which will explain it.

Greetings, Conrad


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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2016, 09:00:11 PM »
"It is a clever logical word play and I have no good counter argument besides that it sounds tricky." why do you think it's a 'word play'? "It sounds tricky"; as an argument that is equivalent to saying 'it does not feel right'; neither is a scientific argument.


It is actually not word play. Gravity imposes a 9.18 meter per sec/ per sec downwards acceleration on the hypothetical magnet. For the magnet to stay motionless on the ceiling, it is applying an equal to or greater acceleration upwards. There is a definitive measurable acceleration and therefore is doing work; the fact that subjectively it seems motionless to the observer is irrelevant.


Hold a neodymium magnet 1/2" from a steel plate on the ceiling and you will see the work being done, when the magnet leaps to the plate. Motion in the form of acceleration is required for work. Visible motion(subjective) relative to the observer is not a requirement of work.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 10:01:38 PM »
I will demonstrate my point with the magnet.
W=Fd (Work equals Force times distance)
F=W/d (Force equals Work divided by the distance)


If this ended here, that would be that, so to speak. However, there is more than one way to skin a cat, again so to speak. Yes, I like colloquialisms.


F=ma (Net Force equals mass times acceleration)


So, we are stuck with distance, and since the magnet appears to be stationary, how does that work?


d=vt (distance equals velocity times time)


Therefore, a 5g magnet hanging on the ceiling, overcoming a 9.18 ms/s downwards acceleration to remain at equilibrium yields:


F=45.9 Newtons
d= 9.18 meters is the distance the magnet has to move every second to overcome gravity.
W= 5 Joules per second required to remain in equilibrium.


If the 5g magnet were an electromagnet, those 5 Joules would be in electricity. Whether talking natural or artificial magnet fields makes no difference, as the work is still 5 Joules per second.





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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2016, 10:07:58 PM »
For me the biggest hole in the physics world view of today is the notion that the electron spinning (or whatever it is doing) around the nucleus does not need an energy source. A similar strange concept is that a permanent magnet stuck to a steel ceiling does not need an energy source to hold its own weight (or even more than its own weight). Once this energy source is discovered new ways to convert it to e.g. electricity or heat will be available.
In dense aether theory the life inside the vacuum corresponds the life inside the oven on the surface of molten iron. Because our environment is actually very hot, it keeps the currents inside the superconductors and magnets in neverending motion in similar way, like the Brownian motion at the water surface keeps tiny particles in motion.

But this analogy still doesn't provides the way, how to draw the energy from this motion. Even if the vacuum is very hot, we need to have colder places in it for to utilize its power. Even the life inside the hot oven doesn't provide the way, how to utilize this heat until no colder surface is accessible.

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