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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 10152 times)

Offline Floor

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Magnets, motion and measurement
« on: November 01, 2016, 02:11:43 AM »
Magnets, motion and measurement

This topic is being created for discussion of the conventional scientific
descriptions of

energy
work
force
and power
 
and the methods of their measurement.

ESPECIALLY AS THEY APPLY TO MAGNETIC INTERACTIONS.
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It is also for discussion of both the conventional descriptions of magnet interactions
and
new theories observations and so on.

                       floor

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Magnets, motion and measurement
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2016, 09:29:46 PM »
Please find the attached document "MeasPhy(10-N).pdf"

It is still a work in progress.

Corrections are welcome / needed.

Please do not redistribute it.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2016, 06:52:05 PM »
Please find the attached,  next version of the Magnets Motion and Measurement document
"MeasPhy(10-P).pdf".

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 05:16:07 PM »
A special thank you to those who have contributed to / offered corrections to
the project.
                        best wishes
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Please find the attached file "MeasPhy(10-Q). pdf


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 09:04:30 PM »
@ aal readers

Again

 thank you to those who have contributed to / offered corrections to
the project. I think It's starting to get to a well polished state.

Please discard previous versions and find the attached file "MeasPhy(10-S). pdf
                       
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2017, 07:04:53 PM »
@norman6538

I don't think of "Near Strong / Far weak" as being exceptionally
problematic.

 See the attached file below
 
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2017, 08:21:18 PM »
@norman6538

I don't think of "Near Strong / Far weak" as being exceptionally
problematic.

 See the attached file below
 
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That would be a great way to compensate mechanically. But think of it this way.
When close and like poles first there is a strong push and then a weak push. And
when far and opposite poles there is a weak pull so little work can even get started.

Norman

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2017, 08:21:18 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2017, 02:58:54 AM »
@Norman6538

quote
"when far and opposite poles there is a weak pull so little work can even get started" end quote

In the TD (twist drive) pass through 5 version,  it doesn't work that way.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2017, 06:16:49 AM »
When you think of near and far, weak and strong
Many combinations can be made magnetically
Approx as many as there are atomic configurations
Perhaps more


A guy came out with a "magnetic tractor beam"
Uses weak (close) forces in combination with
Strong (far) forces
As the interacting field approaches the effective field
of the stronger magnet, the strong force takes over.


The new 3-d printed complex magnets can create a near
infinite combination force domains to customize your fields.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2017, 11:37:26 PM »
Here's a video I found if the tractor beam.
There's literally a near infinite things you can do with this
From the "thors hammer" you can't pick up, to precision
controlled actuators.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUtnMh0EBBc


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2017, 02:05:24 AM »
Re Gotoluc measurements:
work = force x distance
I would like  Gotoluc to measure force for each segment of his input
and output dials, and multiply this force by the length of the segment.
Then add them together for the input and output.
This will give us input and output work.
The more segments he has, the more precise would be the calculations.
In fact, he already has everything in place, just needs to do the above
operations.
Regards

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2017, 08:01:34 PM »
Useful topic, pitty I surf this page without a pdf reader, so I gotta frequently transfer stuff to my old win rig and read it there. A Gif or Png here and there would however not hurt me ^^


When it comes to magnetism, you have to forget all the theories about it, look at your own observations and then start thinking logically.


For instance, the fact that unequal poles link and jetstream in polar axis direction, while equal poles build a barrier at the equilibrium, that is flat like when you press your nose against a glass window and therefor 90 deg "off", compared to the jetstream of eg. N-S, that alone is remarkable.


Theoreticly, you could place two magnets N vs N, a half inch apart, Now take third magnet, position its South between them, right in the middle, like the columbus egg, attracted by both sides the same. By wiggling the third magnet side to side, you maybe can alternate the competitive fluxpaths (3 identic magnets) with little force. Just an idea that went trough my head atm, didn't mean to become off topic.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2017, 01:31:32 AM »
@dieter

              I read your above post some days ago, just didn't get around to
responding.

You are not off topic at all in your post.

This topic is for basic physics (mechanics) discussion, especially as it
applies to magnets....  measuring and understanding .... force, displacement,
work and energy.   Your comments were appreciated.

  regards
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2017, 02:44:01 AM »
Thanks, Floor!


In one of my brighter moments I recently had a sudden vision the quantummechanical characteristics in magnetism and electricity, that led to the formulation of my theory, which goes beyond currently accepted teachings. I posted it already in an other thread, but would like to repost it here, since it fits the topic so well.


The ambient magnetic field of random equilibrium.
By Dieter Marfurt


Electrons can only move in the conductor if they align their natural spin to the shortest way between the potential diffrence. Thus their normally random spins accummulate. Their spin however produces a gyroscopic force yet to be named, that forces magnetic domains in the molecural/cristalline lattice  into a 90 degree angle. Once the domains are aligned, the "magnetism" will use these domeins like a highway. The Domains are not the magnet, they only rectify the magnetic force that is everywhere, but in a random xyz equilibrium.some materials can keep the domain orientation even after the current stops flowing, and become permanent magnets.[/size]On the other hand, exposing randomly spinning electrons to a magnetic field forces them to spin like a screw until they are out of reach. As free electrons are not really free, but elasticly connected to their original location, they will spin back when the magnetic field is decreasing. Electrons can be rilped off of that elastic connection, causing charge/electron holes, as in semiconductors, at the cost of high energy losses, which is why Tesla's AC won over Edisons DC, because in DC the losses increase tremendously over distance, where in AC electrons rarely lose their connection to their beloved equilubrium condo and basicly just bounce back and forth at a "rubberband".[/size]

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2017, 03:51:59 AM »
Now, how do we make magnets?


By electricity, maybe like my theory says.


Secondly, we can permanently magnetize hard steel with a permanent magnet. So a magnet can make an other magnet. Does the first magnet getting used up or weaker? No, and that is the beauty of it! Forcing magnetic domains in a iron cristal lattice into alignement doesn't require energy in the conventional sense! This can only mean that the ambient magnetic equilibrium is excess energy by its own! Capable of creating further magnets, within the regime of known permeability.


If we can magnetize without energy loss then there is a high probability that we can also demagnetize without energy loss.


So these are the two commonly known methods of making permanent magnets. But there are more ways!


Take a brandnew hammer and a brandnew hardened steel screwdriver. Hold the screwdriver towards a stone ground and hit the hammer heavily on the Screwdriver's handle. You'll notice the tip will become permanently magnetized, so you can lift a nail with it. Due to gravity shockwaves!


You see we got already 3 ways to make a magnetic field and or a PM.


I think it is only a matter of decades, until we discover further ways to achieve this goal, more elegant ways, in which the energy costs are in now way related to the field strength achieved.


Some will argue that it is not true that we do not lose energy when magnetizing by a DC current. But the losses are in fact only the product of the secondary magnetic field, that, by its own, was created without energy as well, it just happens that the secondary field in conventional induction causes the electrons in the conductor to spin the opposite way, thus braking the rotation caused by the potential diffrence and effectively increase the DC rwsistance in the conductor.


Making magnets with DC currents is messy business, like slicing butter with a chainsaw.


So it may be a very important field in science to find new ways of magnetization.

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