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Title: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on November 01, 2016, 01:35:37 AM
Free Energy Device Live Demo streaming video event coming up
at the 2nd of November 2016.
Mark your calender !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_skSgAObOyE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_skSgAObOyE)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: memoryman on November 01, 2016, 02:02:13 AM
It better not rely on: gravity, magnetism, ether, pendulum, flywheel, resonance or many other 'effects'.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 01, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Electrical tape is holding it together, but here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYkYVQnXHE0) Innova Tehno EU writes »has already 12 owners«. Then why is he not showing the (already 12 times sold) factory-made version of that device in his latest video?

This does not look promising ... ::)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: lancaIV on November 01, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZkuG4FbXc



Veröffentlicht am 10.08.2016
The Free Energy device was first made in 1943 in Dresden, the project was stopped because there were no possibilities and technologies to complete ... unconfirmed information says that altogether worked for the aircraft named "Glocke" I repeat only the theory, But we are finally finished device with power of 7.4 kW 220/380 V. at the end of the August 2016 we go testing live on this channel. After these period goes and sells equipment to the principle you order and we deliver it. Now in the territory of the European Union. The device delivered to the address, buyer pay 30 days later, with the possibility of return if do not want the device - trial costs nothing.
Guarantees will be, but no need, the appliance components exist in the industry for 50 years so it is unnecessary warranty, the product will work a minimum of 50 years. After the device is switched on, never turn off. The device is used for; all devices on the power 220-380V 50 Hz, maximum 7350 W this means for example electric water heater for the house with central heating cca. 4kW, 2.5kW washing machines and lighting at the same time can be included. all above 7.5 kw unit automatically pauses until the surplus power off. The device does not consume any fuel as such perpetual motion. Price of the final model in sound insulation box will not be higher than € 3,000! More info on; innovatehno.eu@gmail.com
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: FreeEnergy on November 02, 2016, 06:51:53 AM

Is this open source technology?

probably not..

will a schematic/blueprint and part list be provided openly?

probably not..

Is this a scam?
I will not be surprised if it is, same old story, same old tactics.
correct me if i'm wrong.

Remember I told you so..

If you really want to help humanity share it as open source with schematic/blueprint and part list.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: lancaIV on November 02, 2016, 09:33:10 AM
7,4 KW output device, periodically or permanent generating :
3000 Euros final consumer price estimation by  innovatehno.eu@gmail.com



alternatively ?
7,4 KW output device, periodically or permanent electricity output generating


at first 1000 Euros final consumer price(net,VAT not included) estimation by (me ,based by Helmut Schiller PAM Motor and alibaba material source prices)
then 100 Euros/KW
then  ....

                                        a (k)now-(h)ow-plan in search ?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: ariovaldo on November 02, 2016, 12:31:42 PM
Are those machines alike?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cYXaVJfcek


Thanks
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: mscoffman on November 02, 2016, 03:45:05 PM
Are those machines alike?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cYXaVJfcek


Thanks

ariovaldo,

Yes, I think you have nailed it. The Testatica Machine is an Vacuum Tube Radio Frequency power oscillator that use RF transformers to swap the voltage and current
component magnitudes of power, this new machine is probably using conventional coils and iron transformers to do it. Most likely it does work, though it would be good
to have independent verification.

The same way one might use a parking-lot surface to accumulate solar heat energy, this machine could use static electric induction to accumulate free electric atmospheric
charge.

Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: ariovaldo on November 02, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
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Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: ariovaldo on November 02, 2016, 06:44:51 PM
ariovaldo,

Yes, I think you have nailed it. The Testatica Machine is an Vacuum Tube Radio Frequency power oscillator that use RF transformers to swap the voltage and current
component magnitudes of power, this new machine is probably using conventional coils and iron transformers to do it. Most likely it does work, though it would be good
to have independent verification.

The same way one might use a parking-lot surface to accumulate solar heat energy, this machine could use static electric induction to accumulate free electric atmospheric
charge.
Mscoffman !

Years ago, I tested one small wimshurst machine ( I still have it) to see if I could to light one small flashlight 1,5 V light bulb. The test was successful and it worked, not so bright, but okay. At that time, I used a toroidal core with several turns of small gauge copper wire for the high volts ( it wasn't connected straight. I used SG effect). The secondary was just 2 turns of thicker copper wire. Next weekend I will try to repeat this test. That can be the principle for the transformer.
Also, let to see the demonstration today.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: tomd on November 02, 2016, 10:44:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6HPLA_-06b1ZWj7foNDXCQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6HPLA_-06b1ZWj7foNDXCQ)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 03, 2016, 10:35:32 AM
Quote from: Innova Tehno EU
The Free Energy device was first made in 1943 in Dresden, the project was stopped because there were no possibilities and technologies to complete

Then this device must work on a different principle than that of T. Henry Moray? Moray presented his device in 1936.

Quote from: Innova Tehno EU
Guarantees will be, but no need, the appliance components exist in the industry for 50 years so it is unnecessary warranty, the product will work a minimum of 50 years.

No planned obsolescence? That's nice. Must accustom to that. :)

Seriously, a minimum of 50 years of guaranteed lifetime would rule out any semiconductors like power transistors. So it works without them? On the other hand, simple diodes, resistors, capacitors and coils can be that long-lasting.

But what happened 50 years ago regarding electric components? Solid-state diodes replaced vacuum tube diodes?

Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: lancaIV on November 03, 2016, 01:37:45 PM
Less Moray more https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril-Gesellschaft   my estimation .


S
  OCWL
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 03, 2016, 05:00:46 PM
What could that be? Ideas?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: mscoffman on November 03, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
What could that be? Ideas?

It looks like a very HV meter probe. 20/40 KV. That small platform may be his portable high voltage VM.

---

I like his OU engine on a raft concept, except would rather have a steerable raft with GPS guidance moving
at a better clip. Could go round and round on a small pond for 24/48 hours before shutting off.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: forest on November 03, 2016, 06:55:03 PM
It could be anything because everything is based on the same principles. For example I can assure you it is strongly related to Daniel McFarland Cook device ;-) and the story about his flying machine rings the bell , ok ? die Glocke  or UFO
how about Hubbard device ? also related and so on up to the TPU
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 03, 2016, 11:20:27 PM
Let's say the heaters do not radiate any heat because they are internally disconnected. And then say the lamps are LED's not incandescent light bulbs. Then how long could that thing continuously run with batteries hidden within those huge coils?

No offense, just asking. :P
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: hartiberlin on November 06, 2016, 07:14:30 PM
Just recorded the new Livestream from today and made a new video out of it WITH the CHAT windows...
So the Chat is pretty intersting...
Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yck7z4b2cKM

Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: hartiberlin on November 06, 2016, 07:17:04 PM
Here is the contens of the Chat window, which I saved, cause when the Live stream has ended,
the Chat will be normaly be lost...

Enjoy !



overunitydotcom Are you still there ???
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, you are back !
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Please turn off the background music...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Why?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Will you do a real demonstration today ??
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Because of Youtube strikes because of copyrighted music...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Otherwise Youtube will shut down your stream...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU I have problem with sreaming but its live
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU aha right
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom As I said, better turn off the music or use a talk radio only !
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, thanks for off the music...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU ok
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom ok
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, what is the name of your device ???
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Just D1943 ??
Gerhard Nigl
Gerhard Nigl Habt ihr eventuell eine Ampermeterzange für eine Livemessung?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, would be nice if you could show the current to the heaters and the lamps...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Via a current probe or an amp clamp meter...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Gerhard;Heute ist keine Option, aber es wird eine Chance für einen zweiten Tag sein, dies ist

nur eine einfache Anzeige
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Too bad...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Don´t you have measurement equipment there ?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Ihr sprecht also auch Deutsch ??
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Habt Ihr keine Messgeräte heute da ??
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Wird sonst ein bischen langweilig....
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Leider nein
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Will get a bit boring otherwise...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Könnt Ihr noch den genauen Namen angeben des Gerätes ??
Gerhard Nigl
Gerhard Nigl Hy, overunitdotcom, hast bei den letzen Livestreams nicht genug aufgepasst?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Wieso ??
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom I have recorded all the last Livestreams on my channel...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Wir denken an einen Namen, bis 15. Dezember
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU ok fine
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Was könnt Ihr heute noch zeigen ?
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' Does this have a Caduceus winding similar to Tesla, Don Smith or Kapanadze

with a negative center & positive at either ends so the Charge is moving away from a central point like an

Esoteric Chi Ball?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Könnt Ihr das Gerät bewegen, so dass man keine versteckten Kabel beweisen kann ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU John None of the above,
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' thanks
Gerhard Nigl
Gerhard Nigl da hab ich auch auf deutsch geschrieben, und deutsche Antwort bekommen. ich habe dich abonniert,

daher bin ich jetzt auf deren Fährte. danke.
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Hmm, was könnt Ihr heute noch zeigen , damit es nicht langweilig wird ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU JOHN ;Here I will show you with a piece of metal, but there is no magnetism but it should be by

law
XWOOFERX
XWOOFERX what is that sound like water boiling or bubler sounds?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, please show something Innova...
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' go on then
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom So what do you want to show then now , Innova ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU JOHN everything is registered as a vacuum cleaner
XWOOFERX
XWOOFERX That's the most trustable free energy device I have ever seen. Really good. Only try to make a good

balance adjustment on the turning fan.
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU We have reached a minimum speed Check
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom It is only in 360 p now
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom rsolution I meant-....
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom video resolution
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU overunitydotcom I am shown is not seen
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Sprecht Ihr besser Deutsch order eher Englisch ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU similarly
XWOOFERX
XWOOFERX Please turn the heat light to another side. it is disturbing what we want to see.
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Ich habe jetzt erstmal aufgehört zu recorden...das wird sonst zu langweilig...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU ok
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Könnt Ihr nicht nochmal wenigstens um das Gerät rumgehen ??
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Or is your camera fixed again ??
XWOOFERX
XWOOFERX please write in English. All please.
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, then English...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom I just asked if they could move the camera around the device...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Wait
Csubák László
Csubák László Hello
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' Its a loop, or I bet were all looking at a photo!
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom No it is live...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU They can, but in the end when you turn off the machine you decide whether it is the end
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Just rewind the stream in the Youtube player... then you can see, that it is Live...
Csubák László
Csubák László Power up / down, or something to see?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom What else can you show today ???
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Please explain, how you normally start the device...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU How it seems, nothing goes live I will try tomorrow with Android phone seems to be slow laptop
XWOOFERX
XWOOFERX It is now on.Working.But I don't understand that the light heater turning sometime right sometime left?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Someone asked that the heater is not moving so I stopped
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Please put the front lamp into the direction of the D1943 device...
XWOOFERX
XWOOFERX is it a light or a heating device
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom There is too much glare in the camera now...
XWOOFERX
XWOOFERX yes that is what I mean also
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' Does all the FREE ENERGY comes from the Vacuum Cleaner?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU You misunderstood, say "as" vacuum cleaner
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' The Vacuum of Space & Time!
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Attracting, at a single point
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU I stop video for 15 sec. I will try to improve video
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' The point singularity in a black hole!
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom It is still stopped.. we have also a delay between the broadcast and the display over here on

our PCs of at least 30 seconds or so....remember this...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU ok?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Point the heater lamp to the device so it will be shown better in the light...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom How fast does the rotor spin ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU ok?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom hmm, now only the wall is lighted up...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Hard to see the device now...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Now it is getting better...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Be cautious not to heat up the device too much...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Maybe put the heating lamp a bit back from he device...
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' You should have some awesome story like peter lindemann & his attraction

motor. So whats the story behind D1943?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU fan that cools nicely, without worrying
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU john Germans were working on the machine bell, 1943, but did not finish until the end, we are

with the help of the then technician did get to the end
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU otherwise we have a German version in our private museum, has enormous power but has a lot of

errors in constant operation
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' I thought the Nazi Bell stuff was all BULLSHIT!
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU do not listen to others, they were the pioneers of innovation
XNAME41
XNAME41 hello world :]
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU do not look at the military, but civilians who worked on the project
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Intersting do you claim that you have the original device from 1943 in your own museum ???
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU but we do not know whether it was for the bell, so we heard we were told
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Is this the 90 year old inventor which also worked on it in 1943 ?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Does he still live ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Do not forget, the atomic bomb and jet engine are descended from Germans
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Is it Hans Kohler or Hans Coler ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU john yes
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Is he still alive today ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU hi is chief
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU yes
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Damn... that is nice ! Say hello to him ! What a surprise !!!!
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU live like young boy
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom 😉
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' Chief of the Germanic Tribes!
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom That is fantastic !
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU hi is wery good men
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom What did he do all those years ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU john , is now in Africa, wants to help people to come to cheap electricity, and there will be a

large factory
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Hmm, but Hans Coler already demonstrated already the device in 1925....so when he was about 20

years old by then he must be around 110 years old now...
XNAME41
XNAME41 Innova Techno EU please give any materials, documents, patents relating to this device, thanks in

advance!
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom By the way my name is Stefan.
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Or is it the son of Hans Coler ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Johm; he was a young helper in the workshop
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom I see...
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' You can get the 'Plans' off overunitydotcom.
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU ok Stefan i am Denis
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, thanks Denis !
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom So Denis, do you want to show us something else today still ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU XNAME41I can not divulge the secrets I am not authorized, or even the papers in the proceedings

/patents)
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, if you want to patent it, then you probably can not show more...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom When do you think the patent will be issued to you ?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Has the patenting process already started with the lawyers and the patent office ?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom You could really show, that the heaters are pretty hot now in the room... Do you have a

temperature meter with you, or just put your hand on the heater and show that it hurts ! 😉
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU otherwise the device is never switched off this is a test model of endurance, I only share my

testing with you, when the video turns off the device continues to work non-stop
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU The Patent Office, these are real "players" the world had not seen
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU looking fly in the egg
XNAME41
XNAME41 this thing probably rebuilds from the original authentic documents?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Yws right
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Yes
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU we have only done to the end
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Did the 90 years old guy still knew Hans Coler ? When and where did Hans Coler die ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU I do not know, or I'll ask him
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, please ask him... would be pretty interesting to hear...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Tomorrow, on the Skipe
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom And you still have the old original device in your Museum ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU yes
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Is the 90 year old guy still living in Germany or in Croatia ?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom How did Croatians now build it ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU with him in the spring will make truck engine, heavy but has enormous power
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Was this 90 year old guy also from Croatia, who worked together with Hans Coler ?
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' Yeah how did Croatians build it, they're all poor?
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' Thats like a third world country
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU No, Swiss ex german he worked 30 year in Swiss company SULZER
XNAME41
XNAME41 possible that this device has been was intended for powered to flying "BELL" device?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU That said, we have only the engine but we did not see the aircraft
Евгений Лавренко
Евгений Лавренко привет,здесь русскоговорящие есть?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Interesting ! 😉
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, I just googled Sulzer, They are located in Winterthur, Switzerland, not too far away from

Methernitha ! 😉
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Sulzer seem to do industrial pumps for oil and water..
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Yes Right hi live i Winterhur
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU yes trai factory also
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Train
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Did the 90 year old inventor guy also had contacts in Methernitha ??
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Ah, they also produce trains at Sulzer ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU For shure NO
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom So as the device looks a but Simular to the Testatika device from Methernitha I thought there

might be simularities...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Denis are you the 90 years old Technician that worked with Hans Coler ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Maybe they know but he is self-effacing, never talked to anyone about the product until 7 years

ago
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU We are a team of 10 men and 6 helpers, just us three people know the scheme
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom I see, so he was very quiet all these years about it ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU That is Right

 overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom So basically we see here World War 2 technology 😉 What a show ! 😉
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom @Philippos, thanks for the tip, but in the Greek translation they often call him Peter Painter

... Why ? Is he a painter also ??
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Stefan I can't say details
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece Could someone explain to me how the electricity is generated here?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Hopefully not via a hidden cable... lol... 😉
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece Stefan, it is exactly like "George Bush". George was not a bush :-P
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' The Energy comes from the Vacuum Cleaner!
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' Vacuum of Space & Time!
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Does Zografos translate to Painter ???
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Is Zografos the Greek word for Painter ?
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece yes
soufiane bellamine
soufiane bellamine Да есть русский говорящий
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Ahh I see.. so it comes from the worng ENglish translation...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece and how does this vaccum work John? thanks :-)
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU No cables, especially on the lake, I would now lifted but has 115 kg
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece yes..
Ja rek
Ja rek why must work non-stop?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, the Lake demonstration was pretty good...;)
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Jarek; Must test because we have for sale and guarantee
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit'
John Kenny-Myatt 'XXL above Circuit' The lake demo looked totally believable!
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece I have seen your website, Stefan. it is awesome.. let me ask you something..
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Philippos can you please post a short English summary of what Zografis said in the video I just

posted yeasterday please ?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU How? John?
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece ah ofcourse.. could you please give me an email to contact? I can write it all in detail..
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom okay: hartiberlin@gmail.com
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, thanks Philippos, then I can add this under the video..
Костя Костин
Костя Костин CuKa Blyad
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom DO you know Zografos personally ?
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece what I would like to ask you is if you have found any other device (except this one or the

greek) that actually works..
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece No, I am just one of the ~17.000 supporters..
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, Methernitha Testatika and a few others... but the other inventors have all the Multi

Million Dollar eyes....if money gets in the way it will also have problems... either they get bought out or...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece but I find his work pretty elegant. As he (Petros) has said, the most difficult part was to

capture the idea. Building it was easy for him..
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom We really need someone who can speak Greek and English well, so we can get more infos from the

Greek hellagen.gr site...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Stefan; When you have a good quality thing does not bother the other things
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom add a w w w in front of hellagen otherwise it has problems...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, Denis, if your device will work...then we don´t need to bother with other "complicated"

inventor...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece Have you heard of Keshe Foundation?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Sorry Denis for the offtopic messages...
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Keshe seems to be a scam
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece /watch?v=q6h1V6WPAHQ
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Maybe the healing properties work...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU 😉
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece But what about this vid?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom But the Magrav seems to be s scam...
Marco Rajala
Marco Rajala dr greer always say if you have a legit free energy device to contact him then he will help to mass

produce it so the People can get access to it on a world skal
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom /watch?v=q6h1V6WPAHQ total fake.....
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece how?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Probably hidden batteries in the fridge...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU PHILLIPOS; Scam or not, we are going on sale soon, so it does not bother with such words
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece how can simple batteries run 6-7kW?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU 120 AH 10min consume 2000W
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Did the Keshe thing run 7 KWatts...??? No...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece Thank you Denis <3 I would really like to see how this works.. but I understand that it is not

allowed, yet..
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece just a sec Stefan
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Gel Battery
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Ok Philipos
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Also it was not yet replicated that Keshe thing... Gordon Duff a political guy always wants to

attach Free Energy with Weapons technology he published and pushed this video about this Keshe thing...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece youtu.be/
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece .be/oWb7U-XzZTI
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom You can not post real links here in the Chat...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece it is in parts, cannot post links..
Marco Rajala
Marco Rajala a guy here on Youtube just had amazing results with hemp battery even better than graphene plus its

much cheaper. i think his name is Murray Smith something like that...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece this one was 5-6kW I think
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece they are written on a table (in the video)
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece all the watt
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Keshe only commented on the Live Stream he was seeing himself and made things up... Keshe

himself did not see it yet...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece Denis, I was refering to your system before.. not on batteries..
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom And when the inventor wanted to show it in WHashington at the Keshe demo there, he said it

broke.... what as BS...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU When you want me to finish the video, in fact I would go home for dinner, and so you can see

extinguishing devices
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, but forget the Keshe Bullshit and lets talk again about the Innova device...
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece yes!! sounds much better!
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece how does this get energy from?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, Dennis please stop the device now...
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU for you because Device have to work again for testing
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Do you all agree?
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece yes ofcourse.. but where does it get its energy?
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom yes
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece haven't figure this out yet..
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece figured*
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece last, Stefan, you want me to translate the vid with the flame?
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU When turned off I'll stay a little longer to hear comments
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Yes, Philippos please !
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Okay, great Denis
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece I will email you in a while with the exact translation.. it is a few minutes the video, it will

not take long..
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom Thanks !
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece :-)
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom What is your email Adress Philippos ?
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece I mainly use this one: secondacc99@yahoo.gr
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU To slow stream
overunitydotcom
overunitydotcom thanks !
Innova Tehno EU
Innova Tehno EU Ok By for Now
Philippos Greece
Philippos Greece I guess Denis this will have space applications too. Great!


Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Vortex1 on November 08, 2016, 12:10:43 AM
It certainly does look like an early Edison machine with those long coils.

I have a hunch that the spinning device generates an electrostatic charge from air friction, as it is isolated from ground, has no slip rings or other contacts and is fed from a belt drive from the motor on the lower deck also for electrical isolation from the motor.

I believe hidden on the top of the bulge that feeds the rotating disc, there may be an electrostatic commutation device that chops (alternately charge and discharge) the charge and applies it to the black devices at the center of the coils through the heavily insulated wires.

This is covered for a couple of reasons, to hide the sparking  of the commutator chopper, which would be a giveaway, and to prevent dust accumulation from the high charge.

 Under the coils may be a dielectric medium that spreads and holds the charge until the pulse reverses polarity. Alternately there may be other perhaps unterminated coils acting as shock excited transmission lines.

This is a guess and a WAG at that using my intuition considering all the components and the arrangement. I hope to post some drawings when I put enough detail in them to convey the idea, but I think it is obvious where it is going. (first crude drawing attached)

Hopefully the patent will show the real workings when and if it is released.

Looks like Stephan has just saved the chat from the last video. I will read it all and revise my premature WAG (wild arse guess) appropriately. (Edit: seems some of it is in German so I will wait for Stephan to translate)

Regards, Vortex1
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: ramset on November 08, 2016, 09:20:11 PM
Stefan
Do you have any further purchase information or contact info for this company ?
some members are interested in seeing/purchasing .

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 18, 2016, 10:20:10 PM
It looks like a very HV meter probe. 20/40 KV. That small platform may be his portable high voltage VM.

And the name of that probe is Tektronix P6015A. So we know there is high voltage involved. (What a surprise)

Under the coils may be a dielectric medium that spreads and holds the charge until the pulse reverses polarity. Alternately there may be other perhaps unterminated coils acting as shock excited transmission lines.

Here we can see the back side of the coils (http://overunity.com/15374/the-free-energy-spark/dlattach/attach/161238/). The coils are wound each on a metallic cylinder. Makes that two capacitors.

This is a guess and a WAG at that using my intuition considering all the components and the arrangement. I hope to post some drawings when I put enough detail in them to convey the idea, but I think it is obvious where it is going. (first crude drawing attached)

It is going this way (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm). Those drums are called »magic« capacitors, see Fig. 3 and Fig. 6.

Now what puzzles me looking at Fig. 6: What determines the direction of the rotary motion of the aether within the concentric capacitor? It could move clockwise as well as counterclockwise.

But if the inner capacitor plate would be wrapped round with wire (already seen in Kapanadze videos) then this spiral-shaped outer plate could give that aether motion a clear direction.

Hitting the jackpot could be close...
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on December 14, 2016, 07:32:49 PM
This is Tesla's patent
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 15, 2016, 02:40:05 PM
The new website is online. http://innovatehno.eu/

Unfortunately no blueprints to find there (yet). :(

Anyway, happy (pre) ordering. 8)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: MichelM on December 15, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
Can anyone explain this device, visible on Picture Gallery of this page, showing the rotor with half-spheres ?
http://innovatehno.eu/products/ (http://innovatehno.eu/products/)
Is that related to that explanation :
Static Electricity that is generated on a properly treated insulated wire will produce more than a kilowatt in a light wind, according to Paul Clint. This becomes possible because of a phenomenon in physics known as the electret effect. This effect occurs when the surface between a conductor and a dielectric obtains a permanent electric field. This field has the same effect on static electricity that a magnetic field has on iron filings.
A treated pièce of insulated wire strung out in the wind will act as a Van de Graaf high voltage generator. in some conditions, a 400-foot length of wire can generate 50 kW and even on a bright sunny day with a breeze of 3-4 mph, it will average 10 kilowatts, according to Paul Clint's calculations.
http://www.nuenergy.org/radiant-energy-diatribe/ (http://www.nuenergy.org/radiant-energy-diatribe/)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: pulp on December 18, 2016, 04:28:12 PM
Bet this is more likely a Bedini mod according to me with coils arranged in a special way inside the arc and a rotor with some kind of magnets but made to look extraordinary because to be hard to guess the secret there.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: memoryman on December 18, 2016, 05:13:03 PM
Do remember that Bedini never made an OU device (although he claims to know the 'secrets' to doing so).
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on December 18, 2016, 07:02:48 PM
Probably this mod. It is very similar.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on December 23, 2016, 04:41:43 PM
What is this ?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 23, 2016, 07:40:38 PM
What is this ?

The two halves of a UV Fly Killer Lamp casing similar to this below. Very amusing. 8)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on December 23, 2016, 08:15:18 PM
no kidding, very funny :)
I think so, only plastic.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 24, 2016, 03:50:35 PM
The silver parts looking like the tops of aerosol cans and the flat yellow parts like the lids of jam jars.

Don't know what the copper colored hemispheres could be. ???
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: penno64 on December 24, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
Its a qmogen in fancy dress!

Merry Xmas
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on December 25, 2016, 12:38:25 PM
What it could be ? RED ?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Meta on January 04, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
IPP7.4 Electric Device

http://innovatehno.eu/
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: coke2k on January 04, 2017, 03:21:56 PM
Hello, i found this video (perhaps from Brasil) and its very similar to d1943 device. But as i see the date of upload is 1 month earlier than first d1943 video .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLOHKRP2GU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLOHKRP2GU)


And ... YES it could be 99.99% fake, but its interesting to me that the configuration is similar to D1943
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: gotoluc on January 04, 2017, 03:28:57 PM
Hello, i found this video (perhaps from Brasil) and its very similar to d1943 device. But as i see the date of upload is 1 month earlier than first d1943 video .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLOHKRP2GU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLOHKRP2GU)


Hi coke2k, did you look at the complete video?... I did last week and this guy is showing how a device can be faked.

You can edit your post if you wish

Luc
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: ariovaldo on January 04, 2017, 03:31:53 PM
Hello, i found this video (perhaps from Brasil) and its very similar to d1943 device. But as i see the date of upload is 1 month earlier than first d1943 video .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLOHKRP2GU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLOHKRP2GU)


He is just stating how easy is to run an extension cord from from behind to fool everybody.

Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on January 04, 2017, 07:16:55 PM
How do you think how they are done big coils ?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: EMJunkie on January 05, 2017, 12:31:08 PM



I would like to warn everyone, 85% of what you see on this device, I believe, is not doing anything - Its an elaborate dazzling of expensive theatre!

In this video, the bottom coils, shown later are not even present: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZkuG4FbXc

Approx: 22.7 or so amps (5KW) in these coils, you decide! Me, I have seen this sort of power, and long lengths of cable like this do not sit there doing nothing at all!!!  They jump around like a Kid not getting its Lolly!

If this device is genuine, does produce an excess of Electrical Energy, all the magic is occurring inside the Boxes that are covered with Plastic Razzle Dazzle.

So, Beware!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: pulp on January 05, 2017, 02:19:33 PM
Did they gave one to Stefan to test in December like they promised?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on January 05, 2017, 06:41:56 PM
Maybe it's as you say, but it's possible that it works.

true/fake  (%? / %?)  ???


Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Vortex1 on January 06, 2017, 04:08:55 AM
Such a device if real, would IMHO be instantly snuffed out by tptb, which should not make one wonder too long why it is allowed to live. These guys claim their delivery trucks run with the power of the devices. Does that not also constitute a large threat to the trillion dollar oil industry?

If it were real, their only viable hope at doing anything constructive would be to quickly open source the device, as all attempts at manufacturing and sales will be met with a barrage of bureaucratic hurdles and barricades the like of which they cannot imagine......or much worse!

By open sourcing, once the plans spread like wildfire,  and after the dust settled, they could then enjoy the lucrative benefits of numerous TV and radio shows that would clamor for their story.

On the off chance that the device is real and the builders have discovered some long lost secret of electrical production, it seems odd to me that they would run off and try to market the device in such a pedestrian fashion and not be a bit more clever about it.

That they are not hindered in their order taking and delivery promises should say something about the device and also the attitude of tptb towards it.

I wish these guys lots of luck, because one way or the other, they are gonna need it. 
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 06, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
Another possibility would be, the government (TPTB) itself is behind it, in order to dazzle the FE research community.

What does Veličina 1 - mali (http://www.poslovna.hr/lite/monta-bd/40277/subjekti.aspx) mean? A one-man company, director is Vesna Zubanović?

OIB 65400189990 and Registracijski broj 080316484 are the same as given on the innovatehno.eu contact information page (http://innovatehno.eu/impressum/).

Also some of the locations of the delivery offices on the order page (http://innovatehno.eu/order/) are somewhat strange. E.g. there is one in Glockenturm, 8010 Graz, Austria (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Glockenturm,+8010+Graz,+Austria/), and another is in A14, 04741 Roßwein, Germany (https://www.google.com/maps/place/A14,+04741+Roßwein,+Germany/), in the middle of the Autobahn A14.

Something doesn't add up here (as usual in that subject area). :(
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: memoryman on January 06, 2017, 05:34:00 PM
And another (much more likely) possibility is: there is no suppression of 'free energy' devices as discussed here, because they aren't real.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: kampen on January 11, 2017, 03:34:56 PM
@ All,

Anny NEWS on the D-1943 Energy Generator from INNOVATEHNO?
Has somebody see/witnessed a live demo of this unit?

Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: kvar_Barry on January 19, 2017, 02:22:09 AM
I see on the Makers Website, VAT is being charged with the Sale of the Device, but no EU VAT Number is shown. . . if the VAT Business Registration is genuine then it's partially Good.

In my Country (UK) however I couldn't think of a more potent way to stir a Hornet's Nest than to charge VAT on Sales without being Registered.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: tomd on January 21, 2017, 10:04:59 AM
Looks like Australians will also be able to purchase the device.

http://innovatehno.eu/homepage/news/ (http://innovatehno.eu/homepage/news/)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: gotoluc on January 25, 2017, 02:43:52 AM
An update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Y_O6Ymt_k


Luc
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Majestic81 on January 26, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
Will be visiting Denis next week friday, to see the device and meet the team.
Any questions, ideas & tips your want me to bring with me to them and report back on?

Cheers,
Ray
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: memoryman on January 26, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
Do NOT take money for them, have cheques with you or sign anything.
Use extreme caution in dealing with them.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: ramset on January 26, 2017, 04:39:42 PM
memoryman
are you speaking from experience with these fellows ?

or just the obvious "be careful" protocols ,as in Wesley's attempted kidnapping experience with FE device and Money.

?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: memoryman on January 26, 2017, 04:55:41 PM
No personal experience. There have been numerous scams on 'free energy' and 'OU' devices and the scammers do not want to be exposed.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: kampen on January 26, 2017, 08:25:27 PM
@ Ray,

It's good to hear that you managed to arrange an appointment with Denis and I assume this meeting will be in Zagreb at InnovaTehno office.

All of us will be curious to know that you can see withness a working device.
First step to check/verify: use common sense
That the unit is not connected to any external power source or grid.

Startup the device with no connected load on the output and measure the output Voltage (220-230VAC) with frequency (50Hz)
Connect a small load of ca. 2.000 Watt to the output and measure and record the Voltage and Frequency.
Let the load run for ca. 30 minutes and measure record the Voltage and Frequency again.
Continue to add more load ca. 2.000 Watt to the output so now there is a load of ca. 4.000 Watt and measure/record Voltage/Frequency.
Let it run for ca. 30 minutes and measure record the Voltage and Frequency again.
Oke, now the final step to add more load ca. 2.000 Watt to the output so now there is a load of ca. 6.000 Watt and measure/record Voltage/Frequency.
The IPP7.4 device can handle an output of 7.350 Watt (as stated in the product info)

Please measure if there is any EM radiation in the range of 0-100 V/m or 0-100 nT at a distance of 1 meter from the unit.
Would also be good to know/measure how loud (dB) the unit is running under full-load.

Last but not least important is to know:
ask how do they protect and secure the know-how of this technology and production in case Energy Cartel's MIB will hit this company.
Last minute update: InnovaTehno's website is already under attack!
Ask how do they handel safe shipping/delivery and after sales support.

If this device is for "REAL" then this company is highly at risk it would be a disaster and setback for another 50 years if this technology get lost.

Take care.
Looking forward to your reply.

Greetings, Alex
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on January 26, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
If you can take pictures and film :)

Ask how many of these devices already working and let them show photos or video.

I think that it will need a good grounding, ask them if they sure?

if they already have a patent?

how it works?  :)

Good Luck

Mark
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: tsl on January 27, 2017, 11:10:41 AM
Ask them how do they plan to deliver in the whole world, that's if the device really works. How do they plan to build or let build the devices and keep that workings secret. I mean really if the device really works as advertised everyone will want to have one, can they really produce millions of them?
Ps i think they should open source the principle of operation and if i'm allowed to play nostradamus just a bit, i bet they will not release any plans and we will be hearing a lot about tptb mib etc. They should learn from history.
Peace to all
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: tsl on February 04, 2017, 03:45:45 PM
@Majestic81 Hey there, so what can you tell us about your visit?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: idea-man on February 04, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
This Utube video is missing.

Free Energy Device Live Demo streaming video event coming up
at the 2nd of November 2016.
Mark your calender !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_skSgAObOyE




Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: idea-man on February 04, 2017, 07:11:40 PM
mscoffman   ...   Hi  ..   If you know how the Testatika works, please made a paper available. The guesswork explanation, that is on download sites, posits crazy complicated ideas about what's in the obvious Leyden jars.   ...   Bob
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Majestic81 on February 06, 2017, 01:45:51 PM
Hi all,

End of last week they rescheduled the visit to a later date.
It did went to Croatia, since I already booked everything.
I made the time just visit the city.

Will possibly reschedule the meeting within 2 weeks.
Not a good start, but I am keeping an open mind to this.

Cheers,
Ray
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: rkahler on February 06, 2017, 09:58:17 PM
"Veličina 1 - mali" means "Size 1 - small".
Full view of device :
https://www.youtube.com/embed/iYwQNVEuheY (https://www.youtube.com/embed/iYwQNVEuheY)
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: tsl on February 07, 2017, 04:41:40 PM
Hi all,

End of last week they rescheduled the visit to a later date.
It did went to Croatia, since I already booked everything.
I made the time just visit the city.

Will possibly reschedule the meeting within 2 weeks.
Not a good start, but I am keeping an open mind to this.

Cheers,
Ray

Sorry to hear that, but somehow expected .
Did you get the chance to  see their office building or manufacture facility?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: rkahler on February 07, 2017, 10:21:19 PM
Since I'm only 50km from Zagreb, where company is, I filled order form on their site and received

"Unfortunately, the entire contingent of IPP devices is pre-sold. We're working to increase production capacity, so I would like on this occasion asked to contact us for a month when we have more information. Thank you for your understanding!

Michael Horvat, Head of Production and sales"

So I'll try again ...
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Gregi on February 08, 2017, 11:25:29 AM
Since I'm only 50km from Zagreb, where company is, I filled order form on their site and received

"Unfortunately, the entire contingent of IPP devices is pre-sold. We're working to increase production capacity, so I would like on this occasion asked to contact us for a month when we have more information. Thank you for your understanding!

Michael Horvat, Head of Production and sales"

So I'll try again ...
Cool thanks! Don't forget to get back with the news. I think many of us is very much interested on how it goes.
Greg
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: kampen on February 11, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
Russians Create Free Energy Device! It’s Real!


Found another free energy device - this time from a team of Russians and South Koreans!
The company is looking for distributors also. 

Russians and South Koreans team up to create a 10KW free energy generator ready for mass production. 
Spread the word through all alternative media! 
No more excuses - free energy is here now. 
These guys are looking for distributors in all countries. 

You'll see the 10KW version and a demo 1KW generator in this video.

https://youtu.be/qKUbTGoRP0I
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: memoryman on February 11, 2017, 05:10:06 PM
It must be nice to have a direct line to God...
Total b.s.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Zephir on February 11, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
Not in South Korea: this country has no own oil or coal sources.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: hartiberlin on February 13, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
Well, I am very much disapointed...
I ordered a smaller Innova Device IPP 5.0 with 5 KWatts and Innovatehno
promised to deliver the unit on the 9th of February to my doorstep...

As almost expected, nothing came in over here...very sad...too bad...

On the 7th of February they still confirmed the delivery and after emailing on the 8th,
if everything was okay and the unit would be ready to ship ?... no more email from them...
Then I waited the whole 9th of February and nothing came... no unit, no email
and nobody answered the phones anymore... only Answering machines...
So I still waited now over the weekend for an excuse email from them and also tried
to ring them every day 2 or 3 times... no answers and only answering machines on the lines...

Hmmm..... was it all now a big fake, or what is going on ??
Maybe someone living near there and go have a look at their office and try to ask what is going on ?


Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: r2fpl on February 13, 2017, 03:00:09 PM
Also I am waiting for delivery.

Who else is waiting ?
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: tsl on February 13, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
Sorry to hear that Stefan
 :-\
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: rkahler on February 13, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
Address of Innovatehno is Poljanice bb.
But Poljanice is a huge area with at least 10 big apartment buildings and some houses.
'bb' in address means 'no number', so there is no way to find them from address.
I tried to find some more info on them, but ID of firm is messed-up and nobody locally knows about them.
At this point looks like a scam.
Hope nobody paid them in advance.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: tsl on February 13, 2017, 06:25:09 PM
That's sad
Like Mulder (or not)  used to say
I want to believe
Even if they are not a scam there remains a question about how do they plan to deliver or actually manufacture all the units ppl are going to order,  and ofc the main question whats the secret behind it
@Stefan i hope u get your unit and let us know how or if it works
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 13, 2017, 08:09:44 PM
There's no money in free energy.
A company that "sold" free energy devices
Would be inherently destroying the very economic
Devices by which they survive.


Idiosynchronous Idealism
It will always end up being a scam
If they had what they said they had
It would already be free, no need to charge anyone


Free Energy is the conceptual opposite of the money
And the greed that drives the existing energy market.

Title: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 13, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
Well, as they still did not contact me and did not send any excuse email or anything at all,
well I will release more info now...

InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?

I asked them how they could deliver these units at these prices, cause already a good sine inverter at 7.5 KWatts costs alone
around 5000 US$ or more....
Then they told me, that they are just using a generator, that is modified in a special way which has no back drag, so it violates Lenz
law.. This is where the power is coming from...

Also they said, they are using "used parts" which they still have a lot from the 1980s, so they refurbish these parts and
use them, so the price is cheaper...also with the cheaper work forces in Croatia..

He told me it were about 9 to 10 people in the company and they probably did build a beta series of units first and wanted
to sell them now...so it is clear, that the first production run would probably only be a few units...

Anyway, they don´t list their exact Zagreb office on their website and also not their delivery centers in Germany...
There is only lawn or autobahn at these locations...

So a friend of mine told me, who has had earlier another friend who worked for the German secret service, that the secret services
monitor these Free Energy production companies and might confiscate devices, when they want to deliver them...
I don´t know, if this is just a rumour, but it could be true...
So then this is the wrong way, how to deliver free energy to the masses....
it can only work via freely publishing the technology or underground manufacturing
like the FreeEnergyParty.org wants to do it for the "Reverse the Grid Campaign"..

So now the question is, did anybody of you had any contact to InnovaTehno after the 9th of February via email or
telephone ??

Would be interesting to hear from you, if you did...
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on February 13, 2017, 11:25:40 PM
Hey there all
here are some things that i've found about the site:

Innova Techno - 1943 Ltd.   Innova Techno - 1943 a limited liability company for the development of innovation   OIB   65400189990
  Address Zagreb I. Poljanice 1 <-------
  Telephone 01 3738005
  Fax 01 3738005
  web
The body of the Commercial Court in Zagreb
  1993
  Registration Number 080316484
  Activity 71.11 Architectural activities (NACE code 2007)
  Size 1 - small
  Capital 100% domestic capital
key persons  Director Vesna Zubanović

Perhaps all old news but still...
here the original info site
http://www.poslovna.hr/lite/innova-tehno-1943/40277/subjekti.aspx
 (http://www.poslovna.hr/lite/innova-tehno-1943/40277/subjekti.aspx)


and here the google translation
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poslovna.hr%2Flite%2Finnova-tehno-1943%2F40277%2Fsubjekti.aspx (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poslovna.hr%2Flite%2Finnova-tehno-1943%2F40277%2Fsubjekti.aspx)

Edit. Pls note the different phone number , not the same number as on the website and also the adress is not Poljanice BB but
Poljanice 1
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 14, 2017, 01:29:53 AM
Stefan, it's because this 'belief' you and many others have WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE, that there is even the slightest chance this may be true, that allows scammers like this to be rewarded. If you really want to throw your money away, do it to a worthy cause.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: markdansie on February 14, 2017, 03:31:47 AM
No personal experience. There have been numerous scams on 'free energy' and 'OU' devices and the scammers do not want to be exposed.


Hi Memoryman


I have had first hand experience many times with angry scammers once they realized they would be exposed. Here are a few examples:
1. In Australia I had my family including my young daughters threatened
2. In the USA I narrowly escaped an assault with an crowbar wielding crazed inventor
3. Also in the USA I was rushed out of my hotel once and sent to a safe location as a gunman was on his way to shoot me.
4. In South Africa I was threatened with prison
5. Publicly everyone has seen over the years the attempted character assignations of me, many still go on. Many of those people in the past have disappeared, or are in jail.
6. Finally the endless threat of lawsuits, still waiting.

I have to exercise care and have turned down invites into some countries like Pakistan, I would also exercise care dealing with any European Eastern Block Country unless it is a reputable scientist or company.
 
I really should write a book one day about these crazy free energy adventures. Some very funny stories of how some scammers managed to make their escape from the investors once they were exposed.

The vast majority of people are good people and many are thankful when we point out how they mis- measured something or the guidance I and my engineer friends give them.

This latest one has some of the usual red flags.

1. Cancelled appointments
2. Non delivery
3. Contact difficulties
4. No independent or peer reviewed evidence

Kind Regards
Mark 
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tomd on February 14, 2017, 03:40:29 AM
I fail to see how anybody has been scammed. It clearly states on their website:

"The conditions of the free trial:

30 days for free trial, if you are not satisfied and have been using it for 15 days, we will come and pick up the generator back for free.
If you use it for 16-30 days then you will pay for the return shipping a symbolic amount so we get compensated at least a little bit. Because there are a lot of mean people out there, and they can just start ordering for fun.
How to pay:

You can pay during or after the trial period ends"

I think the more likely scenario is they have been stopped by the authorities. This seems to be the case worldwide. For example:

Some years ago two Cairns (Australia) inventors (Lou Brits and John Christie) developed an electrical generator they called the Lutec 1000 free energy machine. It was tested by SGS the world's leading inspection, verification, testing and certification company. A copy of that report was on the internet however it seems to have been removed (funny that). I did manage to find a copy embedded in a pdf file here: http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf (http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf). They did indeed find that it produced more energy than it consumed. In fact 10 times the energy that it consumed. After the report was made public nothing more has been heard of Lutec. Here's a video that was filmed by one of the TV channels at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Gt_Zh9yMM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Gt_Zh9yMM).
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: markdansie on February 14, 2017, 03:50:47 AM
Hi Tond
The Lutec device was around for many years after that report. Unfortunately they never produced a working device that could be independently tested or validated. Other parties replicated it (with permission) and failed.


Normally the authorities step in when it is a know scam to stop potential investors being ripped of. Like in the case of Mike Brady and his magnetic motor.


Governments around the world welcome energy devices. If people were being stopped why is Elon Musk so successful ? Not only does he make electric cars but the solar panels as well.


The Arabian Oil interests and many governments are investing billions into solar, wind and other commercially viable energy technologies. Over 100 billion a year is being invested into energy storage research and developments.


So the argument that people are being stopped is quite frankly bullshit. The opposite is happening. A 1 billion dollar fund was recently established by some of the wealthiest people in the world searching for alternative and free energy.


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tomd on February 14, 2017, 04:28:26 AM
Governments are paying lip service to alternative energy sources. Everybody knows that wind solar etc will never replace fossil fuels (coal , oil and gas). The wind doesn't blow continuously. The sun doesn't shine continuously. Good luck driving a solar powered vehicle from a to b. If you get a few rainy days - that's it. They will always remain an alternative means of energy generation. Look what has happened to South Australia where there has been an over reliance placed on so called "green energy". Coal remains the main source of base load power.
How successful is Elton Musk? His cars are out of the price range of the majority of people and therefore offer little opposition to the main car manufacturers. Same goes for the powercell - too expensive to justify the installation. As I understand it his vehicles run on batteries which still need to be charged anyway - Not really what Lutec was offering.

When you say Lutec never produced a working device that could be independently tested. How did SGS test it? I very much doubt they would have written that report if they weren't physically able to witness the machine in operation. 
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: markdansie on February 14, 2017, 04:43:10 AM
Hi TomD
1. In South Australia the issue was with the power distribution grid, the larger towers holding the lines blew over. The micro grids being installed now with battery packs will assist in over coming these issues.
2. The large Port Augusta cola fired power station will be decommissioned in the next 2 years. The natural gas power stations will still operate. In fact during certain days last year South Australia was 100% powered by solar and wind and the excess from the gas turbines were sold to Victoria.
3. Over 20% of South Australian houses have solar (and save a lot of money ) and over 33% of there power is now renewable and growing fast. I agree storage is needed taht is why the uptake of batetries is set to tripple this year.


The real game changer of course is getting a cheap storage device,.


Electric cars do not have solar panels on them. The recharging stations do or the power to recharge them can be directed from solar or wind installations. Many car manufacturers like Tesla , GM are releasing affordable electric cars in a similar price range to normal combustion engines. As battery technologies improve the cost of an electric vehicle will be lower than the combustion engine counter part. Already in some countries electric cars have reach 20% of total car sales and expected to climb in most other countries in the next 5 years.


It is important to be factual when making statements, not relying on hearsay and half-truths. There is a mountain of information out there on these topics, reports and statistics.


It has been well established in many countries already that solar and wind power is cheaper than coal. China just announced the scrapping of over 100 partially completed or proposed coal fired power stations.


It is true grid storage costs need to come down, and once they do game over for the grid as we know it.


PS where are the SGS test results?????????


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tomd on February 14, 2017, 04:59:29 AM
The only copy of the SGS report I could find which is still available on the internet is embedded in this document: http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf (http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf).

Start reading at page 8.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: markdansie on February 14, 2017, 05:24:22 AM
The only copy of the SGS report I could find which is still available on the internet is embedded in this document: http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf (http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf).

Start reading at page 8.
Quote


Thanks for that.
SGS did not test it running for overunity, they just confirmed the instruments used were working correctly.


I recall once when going to Africa to test a magnetic motor TUV had authenticated it. (23 page report) That was up until we found the hidden wire powering it lol) Sometime engineers and scintists need to have a little experience in these matters as they are not use to dealing with the con artists


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tomd on February 14, 2017, 05:33:59 AM
They may not have tested for overunity. But that's what the test results are saying.

Your experience in South Africa doesn't automatically put all free energy technologies in the same basket.

In the case of InnovaTechno they were/are offering a trial period of 30 days before any payment is required. Why would they do that if their intention was to scam money?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: markdansie on February 14, 2017, 05:47:39 AM
Hi again
I look forward to your analysis of the test results. test results that are not independently tested or have not been peer reviewed.


I totally agree with you about my experience in South Africa should taint or be generalized to other testing. I was just pointing out caution needs to be exercised. Having reviewed hundreds of claims over many years you would be surprised by the extent some people will go to to decieve.


However the vast majority are honest people and just have measured something wrong or mis-interpreted the data. There are many good people (a lot are my friends) researching this area.


In this case it does not appear to be a financial scam on the surface, I have seen many people fake things just for their 10 minutes of fame. Their have been many famous examples of that over the years, some recorded in these very pages (look up Mylow). I am still figuring out what motivates these people.


The scam itself or sting may occur latter , I have seen cases like these before every thing is free, then the call comes requesting some money for whatever reason. One of the biggest was the mggmotor out of Canada. People paid their deposits over 6 years ago never receiving anything. Just look back to the last two years at the Gaia gravity,buoyancy claims and the people who paid in full or a large deposit and still have not received deleivery.


I support research and many of the people working in this field, but given the track record of free energy claims and to date I am not aware (apart from LENR) of any devices that have past independent testing or been able to be commercialized. I am always hoping and wanting to be corrected or proved wrong.


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: pomodoro on February 15, 2017, 01:18:30 AM
Well, as they still did not contact me and did not send any excuse email or anything at all,
well I will release more info now...


Then they told me, that they are just using a generator, that is modified in a special way which has no back drag, so it violates Lenz
law.. This is where the power is coming from...


Regards, Stefan.
Unfortunately it sounds like a scam right here.  You can't push something that does work , like electrons , water, marbles,air etc.  Without expecting a push back.  A generator is an electron pump, nobody expects a water pump not to give a back resistance  and the same reasoning electrons forced around a circuit push back, which is a good thing , for if they didn't they would just sit there and generators would not exist.Hope you can get some money back.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: kvar_Barry on February 15, 2017, 01:44:48 AM
Unfortunately it sounds like a scam right here.  You can't push something that does work , like electrons , water, marbles,air etc.  Without expecting a push back.  A generator is an electron pump, nobody expects a water pump not to give a back resistance  and the same reasoning electrons forced around a circuit push back, which is a good thing , for if they didn't they would just sit there and generators would not exist.Hope you can get some money back.
I don't believe Stefan parted with any Money.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 15, 2017, 10:17:41 AM
I don't believe Stefan parted with any Money.

No there was no money yet involved.
I ordered the unit for the 30 day test and if it would have worked okay for the 30 days I would have bought it then...

So we can not say, that it was a scam, because nobody was hurt yet moneywise...
They just promised the "heaven" and did not deliver it, that´s it, so I just call it a fake...
I wonder, why they did this ?
Either somebody has stopped them delivering the products or it was just a big bluff
to maybe hurt the Free Energy Scene and only collect potential adresses ??

Also I looked up via streetview their real adress here:
https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ka47r3Gvm (https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ka47r3Gvm)
maybe they just own such a small shop there in this building or it is just an adress from a flat there...

So until now , no email from them to me...
Did anybody else got an email from them after the 9th of February ??

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: markdansie on February 15, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
Hi Stefan
I agree while no money is involved its not a scam.
However we have no idea why people make claims..remember Mylow
Thanks for trying anyway
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 15, 2017, 03:55:15 PM
Stephan, just because YOU didn't hand over money, does not mean nobody did. This may be a front for a sting operation. No matter the money angle, it still will not make energy.
Title: Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
Post by: Majestic81 on February 15, 2017, 09:29:22 PM
Sorry to hear that, but somehow expected .
Did you get the chance to  see their office building or manufacture facility?

Nothing, I shared with them that they could call me anytime during that weekend. No answer back.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tomd on February 15, 2017, 11:38:59 PM
Stephan, just because YOU didn't hand over money, does not mean nobody did. This may be a front for a sting operation. No matter the money angle, it still will not make energy.

How can you be so sure of that? Why would somebody go to all the trouble of setting up a website and making videos of a device if they were not asking money for up front? In addition you only pay after a 30 day trial period. I fail to see how they have anything to gain from videoing a non-working device. Unless the intention was to fool everybody. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to. There are easier and quicker ways of doing that.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 15, 2017, 11:43:20 PM
TOMD: "How can you be so sure of that?" An deep understanding of basic physics.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on February 16, 2017, 12:06:25 AM
Hey there,

Quote
Why would somebody go to all the trouble of setting up a website and making videos....?
Quote

remember Steorn ?! they also planned public demonstrations ...

anyway there are at least for me some questions , something simply doesn't add up
there was(is) some youtube replys from Denis where he says
 
Quote
This is not testatika, though similar

The main need for the production of free energy devices is deep in the earth's crust,
 the problem is that the majority does not know to use this knowledge
Quote
and then he tells Stefan that it's all about a Lenz free generator?! i don't get it
btw has anyone a clue what is this Dresden 1943 experiment about?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on February 16, 2017, 07:53:50 AM
Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) ? year of death


Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 16, 2017, 03:10:35 PM
Quote
has anyone a clue what is this Dresden 1943 experiment about?

Innova Tehno 1943 mentions (unconfirmed) an aircraft named »Die Glocke«.

From »Disc Aircraft of The Third Reich« (https://endchan.xyz/.media/156f7e7666197edd1bd1eafb73974d36-applicationpdf.pdf):

Quote
The most sensational piece of information on Nazi secret research to come out since the reunification of Germany - indeed, since the origins of the Nazi "UFO" Legend itself- is the story told by Nick Cook in his Quest for Zero Point, which appeared in the U.K. in 2001. The story is, additionally, the only real solid piece of corroboration of the Nazi UFO Legend to appear since the war, based, as as it is, on a secret and recently declassified Polish war crimes trial affidavit of a former SS general.

"The Bell" (German: die Glocke) represented something at the very pinnacle of Kammler's grizzly and super-secret SS "wonderweapons" empire. Cook's book represents the only publicly accessible information on this bizarre object in the English language, the equally macabre experimentation that surrounded it, and the stringent security the SS held it under.

The following are the salient features of The Bell, according to Cook:

(1) The Bell was reportedly a metallic object, approximately 9' in diameter and 12-15' tall;

(2) It looked like a "Bell", hence its codename to the Germans, die Glocke;

(3) It was comprised of two counter-rotating cylinders, rotating a purplish liquid-metallic looking substance code-named "Xerum 525" by the Germans, at high speeds;

(4) "Xerum 525" was apparently highly radioactive, being purple in color, and housed in cylinders with lead lining 3 cm thick;

(5) The Bell apparently required high amounts of electrical power in its operation;

(6) During use, it could only be run for approximately one to two minutes, as it apparently gave off strong radiation and/or other electromagnetic or unknown field effects;

    (a) Several scientist died on its first operation;
    (b) Subsequent tests included various plants and animals, all of which decomposed into a blackish goo and without normal putrefaction, within a matter of a few minutes or hours after exposure to its field effects when in operation;
    (c) Technicians near the Bell during these experiments reported metallic tastes in their mouths after being exposed to it;
    (d) The chamber in which the Bell was tested was lined with ceramic bricks and rubber mats, and had to have its rubber matting removed and burned after each test, and it was subsequently washed down with brine by inmates from nearby concentration camps;

(7) All the scientists and witnesses who saw or worked on the Bell were murdered by the SS as the war neared its end;

(8) The Hell [typo? Freudian slip?] was transplanted out of Silesia to a destination that has never been discovered. The Bell, along with General Kammler himself, simply disappear entirely from history, never to be seen again.

(9) A strange "henge" like structure was constructed by the Germans out of reinforced concrete near the facility where the Bell was located and tested (Muzeum Molke, 120 Miles from Dresden? (https://www.google.de/maps/place/Muzeum+Molke,+Fabryczna,+57-450+Ludwikowice+K%C5%82odzkie,+Poland/@50.6280721,16.4940902,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x470e46f0c7abd563:0x1db722f1dccd9181?hl=en)). This structure resembled a test rig for the possible test of extremely powerful propulsion devices.

So what is this all about? Does the Innova Tehno device run on (radioactive) Xerum 525? Or is the Innova Tehno device the free energy device that powered »Die Glocke«, because it required high amounts of electrical power?

All this is very confusing. But maybe that's the sole purpose of it.

Something more simple:

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TOMD: "How can you be so sure of that?" An deep understanding of basic physics.

That understanding of basic physics is needed here:

I'm still waiting for a (conventional) explanation how a capacitance of just 3.8nF can lower the power consumption of a high voltage transformer running at 50Hz over ten percent, other than the capacitance itself acts as (an additional) power source (see Aspden (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm)).

High and Low Voltage Capacitors (Free Energy) Test (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTu0gLyqx_w)

Although this website is called overunity, strangely almost no one seems to be interested in the investigation of a simple configuration that could easily bring up evidence of zero point energy. No comments, no known replication attempts so far. One could wonder why. But if this is indeed just standard behavior of a capacitance connected to a transformer then what could be its mathematical equation? Voltage times capacitance equals negative resistance? Something like that perhaps?

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: citfta on February 16, 2017, 03:59:36 PM


Something more simple:

That understanding of basic physics is needed here:

I'm still waiting for a (conventional) explanation how a capacitance of just 3.8nF can lower the power consumption of a high voltage transformer running at 50Hz over ten percent, other than the capacitance itself acts as (an additional) power source (see Aspden (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm)).



http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/filter/filter_1.html
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 16, 2017, 04:25:10 PM
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http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/filter/filter_1.html

Means what?

It says: »Capacitive Reactance varies with the applied frequency so any variation in supply frequency will have a big effect on the capacitors, “capacitive reactance” value.«

But here the frequency stays constant at 50Hz, it is the voltage that varies. The formula for resonant frequency calculation does not include voltage, just capacitance, inductance and frequency. An arbitrary capacitance does not lower the power consumption of a 230V (isolation) transformer.

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 16, 2017, 04:48:32 PM
"An arbitrary capacitance does not lower the power consumption of a 230V (isolation) transformer." Read up on 'reactive power' vs 'real power'.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: forest on February 16, 2017, 04:56:37 PM
classical urban legend where all the persons die not having a chance to tell the story :-)



Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 16, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
TOMD: "How can you be so sure of that?" An deep understanding of basic physics.


Okay then, please use your "deep understanding of basic physics" and explain electricity, gravity and magnetism.
Can you explain these 3 basic physics effects?... if you can't, then, would it not suggest that your deep understanding is not as deep as you think? ... more like a superficial understanding,  similar to human ego!... no?

Looking forward to your explanation or ego reality check

Sincerely

Luc
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 16, 2017, 05:07:02 PM
If you want to learn, study. There are many excellent textbooks that can teach you, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LEARN.
Don't make claims without being able to support them. None of the OU/free energy claims on this site have been verified by demonstration. Conventional science results in PRODUCTS such as the computer that I use.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 16, 2017, 05:37:43 PM
If you want to learn, study. There are many excellent textbooks that can teach you, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LEARN.
Don't make claims without being able to support them. None of the OU/free energy claims on this site have been verified by demonstration. Conventional science results in PRODUCTS such as the computer that I use.

See, I know you can't explain what electricity, gravity and magnetism is, since it's not in the textbooks.
So if you know this as fact, how can you be so sure there is nothing more possible then what science understands at this time?... do you not see this as limited knowledge?... and stating it's not possible, when your science still cannot explain the above 3 basic effects. Is your statement really based on facts?

Come on, step out of the shell and see how nonfactual your argument is. More like a deep understanding of incomplete physics

Regards

Luc
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 16, 2017, 06:08:30 PM
Luke, we don't always have to know the exact nature of these forces in order to make practical use of them.
The effects of  electricity, gravity and magnetism are very well understood; that understanding is expressed as laws. If you want to challenge these laws, demonstrate where and when they don't apply. As far as I am concerned, the first LoT still stands, while second LoT is successfully challenged.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 16, 2017, 06:10:41 PM
Quote
Read up on 'reactive power' vs 'real power'.

Already done years ago. Can't find any capacitor used for power factor correction in the range of some nF. They are all lots of µF in order to have any measurable effect. So it stays strange that 3.8nF at 50Hz at 2500V can »correct« my real power consumption over 10%. There is no such correction effect when connecting an arbitrary capacitance to the 230V primary side of the same HV transformer. Odd.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 16, 2017, 06:41:01 PM
Luke, we don't always have to know the exact nature of these forces in order to make practical use of them.

True, and that's where science is at this point. I just have a problem with preaching that there can be nothing more when the best of physicists admit they cannot explain what these 3 effects are.

The effects of  electricity, gravity and magnetism are very well understood; that understanding is expressed as laws.

Their dynamics may be very well understood but that does not mean they know what they are.

If you want to challenge these laws, demonstrate where and when they don't apply.

That work is always in progress. The difference between you and I is confidence that not all is understood and from that fact I don't state nothing more is possible.

As far as I am concerned, the first LoT still stands, while second LoT is successfully challenged.

I guess it doesn't matter how weak I point out your foundation is, you'll just keep standing on it until it's been proven not to support you.
Your choice, just stop preaching it to those who are open to other possibilities.

Regards

Luc
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 16, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
Luc, you may call it preaching; I call it teaching.
Given the limited time that I have to live (probably < 30 years), I want to use it most effectively. That means not spending time on theories that have no evidence of possibility, such as gravity, buoyancy, resonance or zpf based devices
That does not include teaching basics over and over.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tomd on February 16, 2017, 10:14:22 PM
Luc, you may call it preaching; I call it teaching.
Given the limited time that I have to live (probably < 30 years), I want to use it most effectively. That means not spending time on theories that have no evidence of possibility, such as gravity, buoyancy, resonance or zpf based devices
That does not include teaching basics over and over.

Why spend time on this forum which is all about "free energy" devices? I don't go wasting my time on things I know are rubbish. As you say - life is too short. If people wish to be taught the basics of electricity/phisics there are plenty of websites that do a pretty good job of that.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 16, 2017, 10:20:17 PM
indeed. I always learn something, even here; if nothing else, what NOT to spend my time on.
There is nothing magical about most of what is proposed here, but the replies from some is valuable (especially the late Mark E.).
Enjoy your life - I do.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 16, 2017, 10:26:10 PM

Luc, you may call it preaching; I call it teaching.
Given the limited time that I have to live (probably < 30 years), I want to use it most effectively. That means not spending time on theories that have no evidence of possibility, such as gravity, buoyancy, resonance or zpf based devices
That does not include teaching basics over and over.

You're deluding yourself into believing that. Lets check, is there anyone here today (in this topic) that has learned anything form memoryman?

Let's do another reality check.
This forum is called Overunity. Since you don't believe in OU then why are you here preaching and pestering people to accept your incomplete teachings?
Why not use the 30 years you have left and teach at physics and science forms?... I'm sure you could help a lot of youth with what you know!
Since we are on the subject, do you see individuals who are open to OU go to physics and science forums and try to convince others that OU should be considered?

I'm not saying you're a complete waste here at this forum. What i'm suggesting is to participate when someone is asking for help.
When tomd asked you "How can you be so sure of that?"  and you replied "An deep understanding of basic physics.."
That's a smart ass answer, you know dam well that's not teaching.

Get your act together and stop making excuses.

Sincerely

Luc
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zephir on February 16, 2017, 11:07:33 PM
Given the limited time that I have to live (probably < 30 years), I want to use it most effectively. That means not spending time on theories that have no evidence of possibility, such as gravity, buoyancy, resonance or zpf based devices. That does not include teaching basics over and over.
Paradoxically just the mainstream physics proponents are these ones, who support search for evidence of extradimensions, stringy and quantum gravity - often at macroscopic scales (https://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/inverse-square-law). It would be historical irony, if the supporters of these theories would get their vindication just in Tesla overunity findings, the existence of which they're denying most obstinately. Because if the extradimensions exist - couldn't the energy leak from - into them for example?

BTW It's symptomatic for mainstream establishment, that the energy conservation law itself has been once also the subject of censorship (http://i.imgur.com/ZgYWiBu.gif) - the people simply can never learn from their own history.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 17, 2017, 12:58:58 AM
Guys, you take what you want from my musings. You can't see what goes on behind the scenes. Tesla never claimed OU an you can't point to any concrete evidence of OU either. I have learned from several posters and that's why I'm here. I also helped several people although I disagree with their premise.
This is becoming argument, not a discussion and that does not interest me.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 17, 2017, 02:30:01 AM
Then you think Harold Aspden's Lecture No. 27 »OUR FUTURE ENERGY SOURCE - THE VACUUM!« is an erroneous theory? Please explain.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: forest on February 17, 2017, 07:34:21 AM
memoryman


Tesla never claimed overunity from his method of single wire transmission or wireless. He said however about taking energy from ambient...
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Dog-One on February 17, 2017, 09:50:08 AM
He said however about taking energy from ambient...

Yeap.


So you put a pan of water on the gas stove for ten minutes to get it to boil.  Energy, yes?

Then you let that pan of water sit over night; next day it isn't boiling.  It's back to the same
temperature it was before you turned on the gas.  Wouldn't it be nice to get that energy back?

I don't think that is asking too much of our great scientists and PhDs.  But if they are all
stuck on impossible, then I'll just have to figure it out myself with the help of other like-minded
people around here.  Is doing that going to wreck the world we live in?

No, but it may ruffle a few feathers.  They'll get it over it.  I'm sure they will never admit they
were wrong.  That's fine, I don't need to hear their excuses.  Those types would be very
insecure outside of their little box anyway.  After all, they have everything figured out, there's
nothing left for them to learn.

So be it.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on February 17, 2017, 11:10:11 AM
 :o http://innovatehno.eu/investors/
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on February 17, 2017, 11:41:35 AM
Then you think Harold Aspden's Lecture No. 27 »OUR FUTURE ENERGY SOURCE - THE VACUUM!« is an erroneous theory? Please explain.

Hey there, back in 2005 we tried to get this magic capacitor work , sadly it was just fun but no signs of ou.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 17, 2017, 11:49:04 AM
I tried to call all their 3 phone  numbers I have today again, but again no answer or only answering machine...

Now seeing that they will have an investor´s webpage soon on their website, it seems they want
to cash in money in advance....
So no 3rd party verification test yet and maybe they will just scam investors then ??

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 17, 2017, 12:50:44 PM
Quote
Hey there, back in 2005 we tried to get this magic capacitor work , sadly it was just fun but no signs of ou.

Maybe wrong approach? Who is we and what was tried?

There is still no plausible explanation for my blue transformer experiment. If for some reason the transformer draws an over-current (bad power factor) from the power supply thus a capacitor is needed to correct it (to lower the power consumption) then this should work regardless whether a capacitor (using some different values) is connected to the primary 230V coil or to the secondary 2500V coil. But it works only on the high voltage side. Why?

Quote
:o http://innovatehno.eu/investors/

So they can't answer a phone call or an email, but at the same time they can update their website? Interesting!

The investors menu point wasn't there three days ago. Bing cache (http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=http%3a%2f%2finnovatehno.eu%2f&d=4960551391791691&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=hqJ46zruukzPzG6jqYU987Xw1P0PjNSS) Google cache (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bYH29-OANgQJ:innovatehno.eu/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de)

If they look for investors, then where is the patent of the device? Where can we see the live demonstration of the device? I don't think investors will invest just in a youtube video. Maybe they should point potential investors to this thread. ;D
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on February 17, 2017, 08:33:15 PM
Something to ponder: http://revolution-green.com/some-energy-basics
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 18, 2017, 11:55:46 PM
I got a video from some people who have visited InnovaTehno.eu in December 2016 and he did send
me a video and a few pictures...

Here is the video.

I posted this here now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y9AqOfv7F0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y9AqOfv7F0)

Tomorrow more.

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on February 19, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
Very interesting?

DYNAMO bicycle
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tinman on February 19, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
Something to ponder: http://revolution-green.com/some-energy-basics

I took the time to go and read what they have to say at RG.com,and besides some hickup's ,i find that they seem to betray them self over there now-it seems the almighty dollar win's again.

What do i mean?
Well RG.com,along with Mark Dansie,do there best to sort out the scammers from the real deal.
At this point in time,they are yet to find the !real deal! OU device.
But what is that at the bottom of the page you asked us to read memoryman ?-the page you pointed out to those that do not believe physics has yet earned the right to make !laws!
You shun those who dare defy what physics says are laws,and yet at the bottom of the very page from RG.com,that you asked us to read-so as we understand these !laws! a little better,we have this>>>>>>>

Tesla Generator? $49
Eliminate Your Power Bill Easy Do It Yourself. Great Discount Now!

So how dose RG.com,and you (memoryman),say this
Quote from RG.com--We can start with the point that energy is the capacity to do work, but that means we also have to define work and also misses the point that when we do work we have the same amount of total energy at the end as when we started,and yet ,right below that very paragraph,we have a free energy generator up for sale-->once again,Quote:--
Tesla Generator? $49
Eliminate Your Power Bill Easy Do It Yourself. Great Discount Now!

I wish to eliminate my power bills memoryman,so do you and RG.com certify that this Tesla generator,advertised on RG.com(on the very page you recommended we read),for the sum of $49.00,will eliminate my power bills ?.


Brad
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: markdansie on February 19, 2017, 02:05:56 PM
Hi Brad
Simon and I do not own or run the site, but in defense of Ken who does those Google advertisements are automatically generated. My understanding is that the adds we are all see as google profiles your past searching or other data it has been gathering on you. So if you regularly search free energy articles or visit sites like this one then the advertisement will be according to the profiling. Revolution-Green has no control over what advertisements google places there.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind Regards
Mark

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tinman on February 19, 2017, 02:06:36 PM
EDIT

Thanks for explaining Mark.


Brad
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tinman on February 19, 2017, 02:24:09 PM
Oh P.S Mark

I think LUTEC-John Christie and Lou Brits,were royally shafted,and the generator worked as claimed.
I have seen one of there generators first hand(and i make it very clear here,that i never seen it running),but why would they have a !non working! device at the WAIT(Western Australian Institute of Technology),alongside other devices,such as CSIRO's ceramic fuel cell,which later became bluegen ?,who of course had to go elsewhere (out of Australia),due to a total lack of support from the Australian government ::)
The conversion from gas(fuel) to electricity was 60%,where as our best power plants these days is only 27%. Then all the waste heat was used to heat both the home,and water for your hot water needs.
The total efficiency of the bluegen was calculated at over 124%--no wonder the government wanted nothing to do with it.


Brad
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on February 19, 2017, 03:30:01 PM
Brad
have you ever seen anybody try to experiment with LUTEC technology ?

maybe it needs a closer Look ?
EDIT
@ I see MANY topics here at This forum for LUTEC [search by user hartiberlin]
 one example Video below

and the Blugen ?

your part of the world hasn't even seen what hard water looks like [we call it ICE ]

plenty of folks could use a heater like that !!

??
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: kvar_Barry on February 21, 2017, 12:55:18 AM
Very interesting?

DYNAMO bicycle
& a Single Phase AC Motor (Centrifugal Switch Start) with the Run Capacitor Mounted Showing.
Output no more than 1Hp at a Guess.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on February 21, 2017, 06:24:33 PM
Stefan
You mentioned more Photo's ?

there is much curiosity in Vetting this claim ,any good Pics towards that end would be greatly appreciated .

better pics of this area of the machine  [attached image ]
Cyrils [smudge]
comment attached to this image
quote
That's not a thin transparent disc.  What you see is tin plated wire connecting all the bolts together, it goes under the nuts.  The photo was probably taken to show that the wire has come apart, you can see a loose end hanging down from the top electrode of the photo, see my image below.
end quote


any more still shots  or close-ups like r2fpl posted  would be greatly appreciated.

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on February 21, 2017, 07:58:34 PM
Connections
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Grumage on February 21, 2017, 08:27:09 PM
Thanks for asking Stefan, Chet.

It's this disc I'm intrigued with, between my Yellow markers.

I feel it's close to 1/2" thick, could be additional support for the main disc. I could do with seeing more photos from different angles.

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 21, 2017, 10:32:29 PM
It's this disc I'm intrigued with, between my Yellow markers.

I feel it's close to 1/2" thick, could be additional support for the main disc. I could do with seeing more photos from different angles.

Cheers Graham.

Hi Graham,

I also see that plate as a support for the clear disk which is hopefully made of Ploy-carbon and not brittle acrylic.

Also, something new I notice is, on the floor there's white fluid that has been shot out of the disk while rotation. You can see the same spots on the floor if you look at the new video Stefan posted.
The only place that could of come from is those gold color jar caps which may have the glass jar with that fluid inside.

Luc


Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tinman on February 22, 2017, 09:53:37 AM




your part of the world hasn't even seen what hard water looks like [we call it ICE ]

plenty of folks could use a heater like that !!

??

and the Blugen ?

The bluegen company took over the research of the high temperature ceramic !heat to electricity! converter from CSIRO,who invented it.

The Australian government said they would not fund or support further research on the device,as it was not a renewable energy source-even though it was twice as efficient than any other fossil fuel powered power station on the planet,with far less green house gas emissions.

The conversion rate from gas energy to electrical energy was above 60%. But the kicker came when you could also use the waste heat to heat both your water and home. From this perspective,the efficiency was above 120%.

Brad
have you ever seen anybody try to experiment with LUTEC technology ?

maybe it needs a closer Look ?
EDIT
@ I see MANY topics here at This forum for LUTEC [search by user hartiberlin]
 one example Video below

I have never seen anyone attempt a replication,as no one knew how the coils were arranged.

As far as our phone conversation go's on the LUTEC subject,well lets just see what happen's in the future,as i am going to finish my HHO setup First.


Brad
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Grumage on February 22, 2017, 12:50:07 PM
Hi Graham,

I also see that plate as a support for the clear disk which is hopefully made of Ploy-carbon and not brittle acrylic.

Also, something new I notice is, on the floor there's white fluid that has been shot out of the disk while rotation. You can see the same spots on the floor if you look at the new video Stefan posted.
The only place that could of come from is those gold color jar caps which may have the glass jar with that fluid inside.

Luc

Hi Luc.

I hadn't noticed that, thanks.

As a few will know I had a small business involved with the production of castings for the model engineering movement, link attached.

https://youtu.be/0pxNlFMT24I

With nigh on 30 years experience of metalworking in all its forms, those hemispheres are Copper " spinnings " ! Now those have been custom made, and not cheaply, well at least here in the U.K.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, if a hoax, its an expensive one!

We have a thread running at OUR with some of Smudge's musings on this.....

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3395.msg59896;topicseen#msg59896

The strange fluid might have a bearing.......

Cheers Graham.



Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 22, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Now those have been custom made, and not cheaply, well at least here in the U.K.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, if a hoax, its an expensive one!

Cheers Graham.

I now agree Graham,

In the beginning I thought this device had too much decoration to be real. The more I look into it there's so many things that don't add up to a fake device.

Look again at the end of the new video Stefan posted.
The person who is video recording experiences what sounds like 3 static discharges as he backs away from the device (end of video).
That itself is very interesting.

I find those white spots on the floor too large to come from a bearing.

Regards

Luc
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on February 22, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
New info on the website under News
http://innovatehno.eu/important-information-for-buyers/
@Stefan any news?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: kampen on February 22, 2017, 08:15:15 PM
Recent message from InnovaTehno:
22. February 2017/ Jakov Brkić/ News   

Due to high demand for our generator, we had problems with our servers and we were not able to answer everyone’s calls or answer everyone’s e-mails.
That is the reason why we ask for your patience and understanding.
Everyone will get their feedback information in a week or so.
Regards, Innoovatehno team.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Grumage on February 22, 2017, 09:01:20 PM
Dear All.

Progress towards testing Smudges musings !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fiF6yJJX0

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 22, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
Dear All.

Progress towards testing Smudges musings !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fiF6yJJX0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fiF6yJJX0)

Cheers Graham.

Very cool Graham

Is it only powered by the Vandegraf static generator?

Thanks for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Grumage on February 22, 2017, 10:17:24 PM
Very cool Graham

is it only powered by the Vandegraf static generator?

Thanks for sharing

Luc

Dear Luc.

Yes, just the Van De Graaff....Needs a little bump but away.....

Taught me a lesson though !!   " Check your Spec "  first disc was made from an " Antistatic " material !!

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on February 22, 2017, 10:33:55 PM
Dear Luc.

Yes, just the Van De Graaff....Needs a little bump but away.....

Taught me a lesson though !!   " Check your Spec "  first disc was made from an " Antistatic " material !!

Cheers Graham.

It definitely looks to be accelerating to me.

So, what kind of plastic works? ... does Poly Carbon qualify?

Thanks

Luc

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: shylo on February 23, 2017, 12:19:38 AM
Nice, what's under the vacuum cover to the lower right?
It seem to take a while to pick-up speed?
Your bouncing the fields with the globes??
One positive , One negative?
artv
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: kvar_Barry on February 23, 2017, 04:25:03 AM
Saw in Stefan's Yutube Videos, the Single Phase Motor beneath the Device, that was a Water Pump in it's previous life - Has a direction of Rotation Arrow drawn on it with a Pen.

If a Single Phase Motor were to be used to Generate AC Power, it would certainly be crucial to Rotate it in the same Direction, as it would when it were powered as a Motor.

Unless it had some internal magnetism, it would not self excite (Basic Alternator)
It would be achieved with a small amount DC being applied from another power source. (Bicycle Dynamo??)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Grumage on February 23, 2017, 03:28:41 PM
Dear Luc and artv.

I'll answer your questions over on the " Smudges musings " thread.

http://overunity.com/17063/smudges-musings-on-electro-kinetic-potential-in-the-earths-a-field/msg500626/#new

I feel I may have intruded here?

Kind regards, Graham.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 23, 2017, 04:31:17 PM
Hi All,
No, no further updates unfortunately...
They never have yet excused themselfs for not delivering the unit
and have not emailed back since then.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 23, 2017, 04:40:34 PM
Okay, here are the pictures attached from the last video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vZnadqnzbM

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 23, 2017, 04:42:34 PM
The last one..

This is probably from a comparable generator or motor...
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 25, 2017, 06:40:05 PM
Also I looked up via streetview their real adress here:
https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ka47r3Gvm (https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ka47r3Gvm)
maybe they just own such a small shop there in this building or it is just an adress from a flat there...

On this page (http://hr.companywall.biz/tvrtka/monta-bd-doo/5828) the map (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Druge+Poljanice,+10000,+Zagreb,+Croatia/@45.8300034,16.0713729,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47667819cff0853f:0x355cdc6e223ba34e?hl=en) points to a slightly different location (next street).

Looks like a company/factory building at least. Regrettably there are no markings or writings anywhere; neither on the building itself nor on street signs. So I don't know if this means something.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on February 25, 2017, 08:57:16 PM
What do you think ?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Grumage on February 25, 2017, 09:56:42 PM


http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3395.msg59907#msg59907

                                                    ;)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on February 28, 2017, 12:20:40 PM


Just a big lol,

Free trial period has ended.
[size=inherit]28. February 2017 [size=inherit]Jakov Brkić (http://innovatehno.eu/author/jakov-brkic/)[size=inherit]News (http://innovatehno.eu/category/news/)
Dear potential costumers, our free trial period has ended. Now we won’t be giving any free testing anymore.The new terms of buying will soon be announced and every costumer who ordered the generator will get the new terms in their e-mail as feedback information.Thank you for your patience and stay tuned.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on February 28, 2017, 12:25:08 PM
Also another one
Dear potential partners and investors!Regarding business opportunities, we are open for everyone and all kinds of collaboration.The first step would be that you kindly introduce yourself and tell us your business proposals.We will answer to your proposal in the shortest time.[/font][/size]
Business contact: business@innovatehno.eu[/font][/size]
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 01, 2017, 05:27:21 AM
Just a thought on a possible purpose of what appears to be a typical bicycle generator.

This is a PM rotor AC alternator that may serve as a signal-tachometer generator for the electronics.

Don't know why, is speculation and I certainly wish inventors would honorably open source inventions for the benefit of all (including the inventor) before they suddenly disappear once again as history has recorded numerous times.

Kindest regards;

}:>

Very interesting?

DYNAMO bicycle
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: justwantfree on March 01, 2017, 06:15:42 PM



This is latest e-mail from them as of today. I challenged them to open source their device.


order@innovatehno.eu

to me
2 hours ago

Details


Dear Sir/Madam, we received your order.
Due to the increased interest for our generator IPP7.4 220V 50Hz 7.35 kW we are not able to give everyone the free trial anymore.
If you are still interested in buying our product, we can deliver it to you under these conditions:
cca 50% advanced payment of the price, the rest you pay upon delivery, shipping deadline is 90-120 days from the moment you pay the advance.
If you agree with these conditions, we will send you the contract with all the details and conditions.
Regards, Innovatehno Team
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on March 01, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
Overunity claim + advance payment + Stefan not getting his promised unit = SCAM
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on March 01, 2017, 06:34:31 PM
Very strange situation. There is no presentation from people who got to test. Maybe is total secret. It looks bad.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: MileHigh on March 01, 2017, 09:12:56 PM
It looks like Magnacoaster.  It's a "50% down, wait for four months" down payment scam.  Everything so far has been a build-up to this moment.  You build a prop, make a web site, do a YouTube video, make claims that there are beta test sites, make fake promises that you are going to deliver more free demo systems, and then after all that build-up you change the terms to a 50% down payment before shipping.  Get as many down payments as possible and then vacate your little apartment, cancel your cell phone, and then just go find another apartment to live in.  If 100 people send you down payments of 1500 Euros, then you have 150,000 Euros.  You can live off of that stolen money for a few years.  You are not a big enough scam to have he local government or law enforcement chase after you.  The chances of people half-way around the world chasing after you are very slim.

I know where the guy got his inspiration.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zephir on March 01, 2017, 09:20:20 PM
Today it's impossible to make money with free energy scam: the customer lawyers would eat you alive. On the contrary, try to imagine, that thousands of free energy deniers will send you fake orders with requirement for test - this will undoubtedly ruin your business. Which preemptive measure will you apply in such a case?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: MileHigh on March 01, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
Of course you can make money with a free energy scam.  There are countless examples.  The nature of human psychology falls on a bell curve.  There are always people at one end of the bell curve that will believe in things like this and submit their down payments.  That is the only thing these people are interested in and they will ignore all requests to test the machine.  Nobody is going to spend 4000 Euros on a lawyer for a 1500 Euro order.  Human psychology in relation to large numbers of people does not lie, and it is there to be exploited in many ways.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 01, 2017, 09:34:31 PM
Not necessarily a scam. There may actually be very good reason for not being able to produce and deliver many systems for free as this would certainly be very costly for a startup company.

BUT; the company SHOULD be able to provide a "test drive" unit for a thorough examination.
Especially for somebody like Stefan and these forums for purposes of independent confirmation of system performance which would certainly help to increase their orders and bring in investors.

And a test unit can always be returned back to the company which should make an honorable offer to provide this test unit just as a vehicle dealer will provide a free test drive and examination of its product.

And since it does appear to be based on older known technologies, there should not be any secrets.
The company also claims delivery vehicles will be powered by this system so where are those images and videos?

There really does need to be performance reports from third parties and so far, no such reports or customer reviews as promised in an email as follows-

Quote
On 2017-01-02 13:10, Info wrote:
Thank you mr Rodney, of course. We'll have a prototype in our office so everyone can see it at work.
Just follow the website for the neweset info.
Regards, Jakov

On 2.1.2017. 18:48, rod@rodscontracts.com wrote:
Thank you for your timely response. :)

I do require that I examine and trial a system for evaluation and possible purchase of at least one unit before consideration of any major investment for the establishment of a manufacturing or distributor facility.

So; please stay in touch and inform me when these systems become available for the US and and I do understand the need to go slow with this type of new product so I will certainly maintain patience and I wish you a happy new year to you and yours.

Plus I will maintain positive, source field energy thoughts for you, your company and this endeavor. :)

Kindest regards;
Rodney.
 
 
On 2017-01-02 02:03, Info wrote:
Hello mr Rod, thank you for contacting us at Innovatehno,
Eventually it will. We want to go slow with this.
Thank you for the suggestion, we will make changes to the website, this is just for starters.

As for business,
I am sending you now some basic information about opening a sister company:

You would need a minimum of 700 000 € of your own money, no banks or 3rd parties.
If it is possible for the sister company to be named as ours, for example Innovatehno Cambodia it would be great but if not there won't be no problem.

A workshop of 500 m2-700 m2

We would then send you the belt conveyor drive system with all the parts necessary for production which you will co-finance of course.

You would obtain 80% of the parts from your market, and we will send the other 20% to you.(special materials for the "heart" of the machine).

One of our people would have to be there as a supervisor for at least six months who you would pay.

We would have to sign mostly standard "sister companies agreement/contract" in your country.
And at the end we would split the selling profit 50%-50%

Regards, Jakov Brkic

On 31.12.2016. 20:49, rod@rodscontracts.com wrote:
Hello; how are you? I am fine. :)

I just want to let you know that I am personally very interested in your system and hoping this system will eventually be distributed in the US.
I am the originator of a small appliance service company in Colorado and might even be a possible distributor and/or service provider in this rural area east of Denver.
I will be keeping an eye on your site and videos and I do suggest that you might want to add a customer review section to your site as well as more photographs of systems and delivery vehicles powered by these systems.

Please acknowledge receipt of this message.

Kindest regards;
Rodney.

1-303-809-4229
www.rodsonctracts.com (http://www.rodsonctracts.com)

So; yeah, still waiting for independent confirmation or at least, a client review page on their site as well as more details about how the system actually works.
Not going to buy without at least a basic knowledge of what is being offered. Not going to invest without a THOROUGH knowledge of the offer.

Show me the working system and I would consider buying it. Show me the actual design and potential market and I might consider building them for local distribution.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Overunity claim + advance payment + Stefan not getting his promised unit = SCAM
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: shylo on March 01, 2017, 11:05:00 PM
Milehigh, I like that picture ,of the time machine, from that old movie.
You nailed it , something aint right .
Good to see you around again.
lol artv
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 02, 2017, 11:00:05 AM
Why does the Innova Tehno 1943 product page (http://innovatehno.eu/products/) remind me of that Perendev product page (http://web.archive.org/web/20061021193734/http://www.perendev-power.com/index_files/Page880.htm)?

Because it's the same make?

Perendev: »a sale/lease agreement gives the person the use of the equipment for 5 years which is prepaid«

Innova Tehno 1943: »The user (buyer) has to sign a contract, to not open the device for a period of 5 years, which is the period of warranty as well«

The Perendev device was solely presented as an incomplete prototype (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0). The image of the factory-made device on the old product page is an obvious fake. Also the Innova Tehno 1943 device is presented so far solely as an incomplete prototype (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZkuG4FbXc). I don't think those gray boxes on the images (one is a simple tool shed) have real factory-made devices in them.

So, looks like Innova Tehno 1943 is Perendev reloaded?

I'm not saying that those devices are fake per se. But something points strongly in the direction that the Innova Tehno 1943 device will go down the drain (http://pesn.com/2004/06/30/6900029PerendevPowerMagneticMotor/) like the Perendev device did.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 02, 2017, 06:42:30 PM
Hi All,
I got the same mass email just telling me that the amount of orders was too much and it should now be prepaid
half the price  ! So no personal email , but just a mass email....

Seems this really is a scam...
So please nobody pay them in advance, before a trustable person gets independent access to it
and can make his own test and look, if there are no cables going into the legs from the floor....
Here is the address of InnovaTehno.eu where the device was, when the visitor known to me on the 4th of December 2016 was allowed to look at the device on site. But because the device was screwed to the ground floor, it could not be moved, which surely has the high probability, that there is a cable from the floor going through a leg into the device and therefore the energy just comes
from the local grid...
and thus is not generated by the machine, so a fake ....

https://goo.gl/maps/UixAiYfqERR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/UixAiYfqERR2)

Here are 2 pictures where InnovaTehno.eu is exactly located.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on March 02, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
This is jokes ?  :o

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREE-ENERGY-GENERATOR-ZERO-POINT-ENERGY-7-3Kw-220V-/132106746213
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 02, 2017, 09:47:52 PM
Ebay is certainly no joke and does include safe harbor buyer protections plus the offer stipulates the buyer does except returns so; this could potentially be a protected way for somebody in the UK to buy and test a unit and if it FAILS to perform as described; simply return it back through Ebay and Paypal buyer protection claim.  :)

I did ask the seller these questions just a few minutes ago-
Quote
Hello; how are you?

In consideration this is a major purchase; can you please provide more details about how this generator operates including principle of operation and technical specifications?

This image appears to be cropped. Can you provide more detailed images?

Please respond. Kindest regards; Scorch

With regards to showroom unit being bolted to the floor; do not know why this would be and whoever is there looking at the system should ask that specific question regarding portability.

If it cannot be demonstrated as a portable generator that can be loaded on a vehicle and delivered to a job site then, applications may be limited. They SHOULD be able to answer the question as to WHY it is bolted to the floor such as a prototype that vibrates and tends to walk across the floor.

I have certainly had a few experimental machines around here that did vibrate a lot. . .

Kindest regards;

}:>


This is jokes ?  :o

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREE-ENERGY-GENERATOR-ZERO-POINT-ENERGY-7-3Kw-220V-/132106746213 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREE-ENERGY-GENERATOR-ZERO-POINT-ENERGY-7-3Kw-220V-/132106746213)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on March 02, 2017, 10:49:39 PM
This is jokes ?  :o

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREE-ENERGY-GENERATOR-ZERO-POINT-ENERGY-7-3Kw-220V-/132106746213 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREE-ENERGY-GENERATOR-ZERO-POINT-ENERGY-7-3Kw-220V-/132106746213)
I have almost spilled my drink the moment i saw this one
Edit
Interesting thing about it,  when you try to look at the sellers auctions there are no listings whatsoever also tryed to search for free energy generator this item is not listed.... Another scam?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2017, 11:15:53 PM
Its much worse than that , they pulled screen shot of broken unit from Stefan's video where wire is broken off of "thingamabob"
and hanging down....

I was going to call Ebay and ask about this [just in case] however after seeing they have screen shot from Smudges thread here

and broken too ?

quote from member Smudge

 Snip
Dear Graham,

That's not a thin transparent disc.  What you see is tin plated wire connecting all the bolts together, it goes under the nuts.  The photo was probably taken to show that the wire has come apart, you can see a loose end hanging down from the top electrode of the photo, see my image below.

Cyril 
end Snip

[image below  shows wire hanging.... off same as Ebay add   :-[]
Yikes !!
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 03, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
I did receive a response from the seller-

Quote
On 2017-03-03 14:33, eBay - since_0001 wrote:
Dear Scorch
Thank you for your interest. Unfortunately, this machine is at present no longer available for sale.
Apologies for any inconvenience.

I have yet to see any evidence of an actual scam but I also haven't seen evidence of a working system beyond the videos which may or may not be genuine since it is easy to fake the apparent affects.

And just because something can be faked does not mean it has been faked so time will certainly tell whether or not there is anything worthwhile here.

Plus I desire that additional local people in the UK would actually go to the showroom for a more thorough examination and comprehensive report of their findings in English. And also wish to see evidence more than one unit exists.

Kindest regards;

}:>
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on March 04, 2017, 09:58:35 AM
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/aluminum-hemispheres-spinning_665308273.html
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 04, 2017, 09:04:30 PM
Very interesting.  :)

I wonder how many more details may eventually be revealed for the true nature of this system?

If the manufacture would actually share more relevant details including the actual principles of operation and prototype schematics then; this could potentially explode into an entirely new market (just as radio and television did). And IF some people discover this actually can be DIY built and prove it works then; the rest of the non-builders will certainly line up at the door to buy a production version from a local supplier such as innovatehno1943   ;)

Want investors or need money? Then sell reasonably priced experimental (no warranty) prototypes, kits or merely open source the basic knowledge information or plans so buyers and investors will know what it actually is.  8)

So; what is it?!?  ??? *shrugs*

When I look at this device I think I actually recognize some of the principles of operation including what is likely to be large windings magnetically coupled by way of horseshoe shaped, dipole core as well as toroidal windings and a static electricity accumulator. And I believe Tesla was indeed telling us to work with very high voltages and frequencies and resonant systems as well.

At these high voltages it becomes far easier for "energy from the vacuum" to enter the system and resonance may also be beneficial as could be introduced by mechanical means of a spinning rotor at its own frequency.

And if this machine actually does have a "sweet spot" resonance point then it would make sense to control RPM by way of tach generator and motor controller.
And if self starting then a small alternator could actually be dual purpose as tach generator and starting battery charger.

It kind of looks like a more modern, more advanced version of the known Methernitha Testatika device and I HOPE more information is eventually released and thank you very much for these references.

Is time to stop being distracted by negative naysayers spending all their energy always trying to find a "scam" and actually positively build stuff.  ;D

It is understandable to BEWARE of possible scam BUT to spend so much energy on this possibility becomes a negative, self defeating endeavor... :P

So; what else can you positively reveal about this design for the benefit of all?

Does the spinning disk contain Leydon jar condensers complete with aluminum hemispheres around outside of which may be mere canning jars?

The principle is sound. Place aluminum hemispheres to complete a leydon jar and spin it through the air and this most certainly will charge the condensers to the point that static charges will jump a spark gap which will also bring in additional electrons through the gap. Then is a matter of stepping these high voltages down and also taking advantage of alternating frequencies (both sides of dipole-horseshoe) in step down Telsa coils, step up toroidal coils and a huge magnetic core configured in a manner to maintain (not destroy) the dipole.

And if switched properly; these pulses could be VERY effective at charging conventional capacitors with a fast acting 'accumulator' capacitor up front and a slower acting ultra capacitor storage bank at the end.

And this could be scaled to any size and does not require any expensive neodymium magnets.  8)
 
Kindest regards;

}:>


https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/aluminum-hemispheres-spinning_665308273.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/aluminum-hemispheres-spinning_665308273.html)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: MileHigh on March 04, 2017, 11:00:06 PM
Scorch:

You are the same person that discussed your Quanta Magnetics motor with me, correct?

You should be operating on the presumption that it is a prop, there are no relevant details.  You run though the litany of buzz words and cliches but they are all unsubstantiated.  Don't you think by now that someone could have definitively proved that a pulsing coil can "pull energy from the vacuum?" After years, I think the majority of people on this forum now understand that resonance is not a means of achieving free energy.

This comment of yours baffles me, "This could potentially explode into an entirely new market (just as radio and television did)."

I will just quote myself discussing good old formerly-under-FBI-investigation Wayne of Hydro Energy Revolution's proposition, "If what he had was real, it would completely shake the world up and be the biggest news story of the 21st century. It would completely change civilization. Wayne would be on the cover of Time and Newsweek. What you have instead is Wayne pitching, "Soon we will be in the business of selling energy systems to our customers" as if he was talking about something mundane like selling prefabricated garages to industrial customers. It's just totally ridiculous. If you step outside of the "bubble" you can see the tragicomic aspect to this whole farce."

MileHigh
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 04, 2017, 11:33:43 PM
"If you step outside of the "bubble"" unfortunately, the bubble is impenetrable, so he is stuck.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 05, 2017, 01:05:36 AM
Yes; we all well aware of your very negative position that some thing is false until proven true.

My positive position is that some thing is true until proven false.  :)

We are also well aware the majority of your posts are negative comments and misleading statements such as "There is no bloc wall" (center) of a magnet where the fields converge. This is all the same OLD story from you over and over and over again Mr. Parrot!  ???

Your history speaks for itself and you are certainly not a "hero" merely because you write the same negativity over and over again.
 http://overunity.com/profile/milehigh.20740/area/showposts/#.WLtWen-ExbI (http://overunity.com/profile/milehigh.20740/area/showposts/#.WLtWen-ExbI)
 
And as we are well aware; "energy from the vacuum" is merely a term used by Physists, Teachers and Authors Dr. Tom Beardon and Dr. Michio Kaku (as well as others) as reference to dark energy or merely difficult to detect energy extracted from the surrounding environment (vacuum?) including electrons, photons and gravity. And is in this physics context that I used this term to describe the possibility of a positive effect.

See documentary films about these facts including a national geographic documentary about dark energy in which Doctor Kaku does use the term "vacuum energy" here- http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8002600/ (http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8002600/)

And yes, I am still the same one who abandoned this forum years ago and for an extended period of time and brought my entire experimental project over to an entirely different forum primarily due to your negativity that was extremely distracting to me and others who were interested at that time.  :(

And it does appear that you may actually be an agent remaining here specifically for the purposes of interfering with our liberties including the pursuits of our happiness including our studies and our work and distracting us from certain true facts. Such as the existence of dark energy all around us and the possibilities of us extracting said dark energy from the vacuum and converting this energy into more useful forms for our benefit such as heat and electricity.

And no; I do NOT operate on presumption or assumption as you do and not going to start because you suggest I do.

I accept that you completely failed to comprehend (baffled) there is a demand for independent energy systems and that this market will rapidly expand (explode) just as the market for home electronics rapidly expanded (exploded) with the inventions of things such as Radio, Television and Computers.

You have apparently been bringing your negativity here for years and I am not surprised you are still here. This is the same OLD story from you. Do you have anything positive and NEW to offer? What have you actually created for this forum and the benefit of others? Have you built ANY thing to show us? Or have you merely spent these last few years crapping on every new possibility and casting your darkness on every possible revealing light of truth? (Such as the true fact some new guy has suddenly appeared and provided us with the EXACT same part used in this device including a very revealing photograph detailing a very specific shape.)

Yes; we are well aware of your negative attitude that becomes more intrusive whenever there is a slight possibility we are are the right path to energy independence to the point I personally walked away from this forum at the beginning of a new experimental project that I had wanted to share here for the benefit of all.  :(

This is your revealing tell...

Remember this folks; the louder and more distracting Milehigh is, the more likely we actually are on the correct path.  ;D
 
Kindest regards;

}:>


Scorch:

You are the same person that discussed your Quanta Magnetics motor with me, correct?

You should be operating on the presumption that it is a prop, there are no relevant details.  You run though the litany of buzz words and cliches but they are all unsubstantiated.  Don't you think by now that someone could have definitively proved that a pulsing coil can "pull energy from the vacuum?" After years, I think the majority of people on this forum now understand that resonance is not a means of achieving free energy.

This comment of yours baffles me, "This could potentially explode into an entirely new market (just as radio and television did)."

I will just quote myself discussing good old formerly-under-FBI-investigation Wayne of Hydro Energy Revolution's proposition, "If what he had was real, it would completely shake the world up and be the biggest news story of the 21st century. It would completely change civilization. Wayne would be on the cover of Time and Newsweek. What you have instead is Wayne pitching, "Soon we will be in the business of selling energy systems to our customers" as if he was talking about something mundane like selling prefabricated garages to industrial customers. It's just totally ridiculous. If you step outside of the "bubble" you can see the tragicomic aspect to this whole farce."

MileHigh
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Meta on March 05, 2017, 02:04:39 AM
The InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device looks like it has a definite self energized motor under the rear part, driving the hemisphere ring. Is the hemisphere ring sphewing ionized electrons, as static electricity, into the two horseshoe curved iron shapes, one in front and one in back of the spinning hemisphere ring?

I say "horseshoe curved iron" but it reminds me of the Egyptian Ankh which was a complete circuit of iron shaped like a "D", a horseshoe shape, with a flat bar across the bottom. The Ankh was physically carried by Pharoah's. The "D" shape also shows up as Leedskalnins Perpetual Motion Holder. The "D" shape Ankh also shows up as a D-shaped Cyclotron, a machine that perpetually whirls electrons around in circles, or in a D-shape, in these cases. This is the principal used that claimed that a series of plug-ins with an extension cord attached, can be plugged into itself and will perpetually circulate electricity within the loop.

It looks like the flat bar of the Ankh is not actually there, in the front horseshoe, but there are two black rings on the curved horseshoe that might turn the electrons and shoot them thru the two coils on the inner equipment, between the horseshoe legs, that may be used to complete the circuit of the Ankh in the front. The rear ankh is wound with toroidial coils, possibly as pick ups.

Id say, at second glance, that the machine is gathering static electricity and is circulating it, and by coils, is stepping it down and using it as common EM. Static electricity is at the level of 4th dimensional gravity and must be stepped down.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: MileHigh on March 05, 2017, 02:09:37 AM
Well Scorch:

I guess you were licking your wounds after I told you that the Quanta Magnetics motor was nothing more than a glorified $50 pulse motor that you could just as easily have built yourself.  Plus I said the claim made by Quanta Magnetics that you were hanging on was not going to happen and then Quanta Magnetics took the fake-claim video down and then burned you by refusing to respond to your requests for technical support.  According to you, he was feeding juice to the motor without showing that in his clip and that's why the voltage rose.  And you are pointing the finger at me as the "bad guy" in all of this?  You have got to be kidding.  I told you the straight goods on that ridiculously overpriced pulse motor the whole time.

My primary interest is to look at and evaluate high-profile "pro" claims of free energy.  That's the reason I chimed in on InnovaTehno.eu.  Even the host of this web site thinks that they are likely criminals and you want to paint me as a bad guy?  You made a posting coming off like a shill for InnovaTehno.eu and I replied.  Deal with it without this ridiculous emotional dump all over me.  Not that you are a shill, you were just looking for ego-boosting "free energy street cred."  I also discussed Steorn and they are bankrupt and burned through 13 million Euros from real human beings that were investors.  Perhaps someone reading my comments about Steorn kept their life savings instead of losing it all on Steorn.  I am such a "bad guy" eh?  I challenged Wayne Travis on his ridiculous groaning bellows buoyancy machine and that company is kaput and he burned through a million dollars of other people's money and was investigated by the FBI for soliciting money from people for an allegedly fraudulent company and claiming ridiculously high financial returns.  But I am such a "bad guy" eh?

Seriously, get over the fact that you got burned by Quanta Magnetics and don't blame me.  Your gratuitous attack on my character is misdirected nonsense.  I tried to give you good advice for your own benefit.  Get over it.  Dark Energy has nothing whatsoever to do with fantasizing that a "pulsing coil taps into energy from the vacuum."  There is no Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet.  You must be daft to believe that nonsense and I am sure many of the regulars were snickering under their breath when they read that. Get lost with the laughable "agent" nonsense and go buy yourself a Secret Sam briefcase.  I just checked ebay and you can get one for about fifty bucks.

Quote
I accept that you completely failed to comprehend (baffled) there is a demand for independent energy systems and that this market will rapidly expand (explode) just as the market for home electronics rapidly expanded (exploded) with the inventions of things such as Radio, Television and Computers.

You are the one that is seriously comprehension challenged.  Jaws are dropping that you would say that after you read the last part of my last posting.

MileHigh
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: MileHigh on March 05, 2017, 02:27:28 AM
Call out to all free energy justice warriors.  Get your kits while they last.  Guy Fawkes masks and balaclavas optional (unless you are going to destroy a gas station pump).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6Bd0MwEh8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fjTXCa8tLI
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: citfta on March 05, 2017, 02:31:11 AM
Some food for thought.  If you had a real free energy machine or OU machine or whatever you wanted to call it how would your present it?  Would you dress it all up to look like something from a Sci-Fi movie if you wanted to be taken seriously?  Or would you box it up so that nothing was shown except the output connections and maybe some metering?  Would you bolt it down tight to the floor or would you put it on wheels so it could be rolled around and tested in different areas?  Would you develop a plan for people to test what you had and then keep changing the rules or would you stick to the plan?

Don't get me wrong here.  I would love to see a real free energy machine in operation.  And I have seen enough to believe it may be possible.  But there have been so many things about this particular one that just scream scam it is hard for me to believe it is real.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 05, 2017, 07:43:09 AM

Yeah; whatever.  You know it all and we have now heard it all once again including your assumptions and presumptions about me and others or the PAST.  ::)
Your reputation proceeds you and once again; you brought nothing constructive, positive or new here. *shrugs*  8)

I have made no claim of "wounds" or being "burned" beyond my mere frustrations with my own PAST experiments or failures which means that you, sir are a blatant liar harassing and harming me and others with your defamation and lies.  :(

I believe you have repeatedly demonstrated INTENT to use this forum to cause damages and harm against our goal of energy independence and you should be banned for these continuing harmful actions of record.
And there should be a thorough administrative investigation of your posting record for what is likely to be a preponderance of evidence of harassing statements and potential damages to others such as apparent defamation and other crimes against established companies including Quanta Magnetics and harm to their sales via your account of this forum.

You are now writing the SAME things that drove me and others away from this forum before and this is a continuation of harassment and defamation.  :(
Including your firm statements of what somebody ELSE should charge for their goods and services.  :(
You have no authority to dictate what somebody else should charge for their stuff and by claiming so; you are HARMING them and others who may benefit from them.

If a merchant charges his price for his stuff per his own prerogative to set his price for his stuff and your written statements here are written with intent to impair potential sales and HARM a company then; you have abused this forum (again) with intent to cause commercial injury DAMAGES (again) and you should be banned for these legal reasons.  >:(



So; back on topic away from the parrot's controversies and setting aside that yes indeed anything might be faked or a possible existence of scam in which somebody actually does make a claim that he lost money which has NOT appeared here-

I have only positively speculated about how this system might possibly work.  :)

Are there any positive thoughts or contributions in SUPPORT of our goal of energy independence?

Is it possible this actually is a modern version of the known Methernitha Testatika device?

I do believe that yes indeed the spinning disc does contain Leyden jars consisting of glass jars and the aluminum hemispheres linked in reply #168 and they probably do not contain a coil or magnet as speculated in reply #148.

I believe this spinning disk is simply an independent static charge generator producing substantial high voltage discharges jumping to receivers on each side of the horseshoe assembly, the toroidal coils or another location.

Please forgive my mere beliefs.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Well Scorch: ....

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Shanti on March 05, 2017, 10:01:08 AM
@Scorch: (http://overunity.com/profile/scorch.27007/)Honestly MH tries to very diplomatically show the mistakes you made in the past and all you can do is personal attacks on the lowest level without anything to substantiate them except that you believe otherwise and therefore feel attacked?

I have no problem that you want to believe in this, but you also must accept that until now basically everything about this InnovaTehno history clearly points into the direction of a scam. Even Stefan (the owner of overunity.com) points that out.
Go and give them your money. We just wanted to warn you, that you will lose it. But if this is fine for you, I don't have a problem with that.

@citfta: (http://overunity.com/profile/citfta.15277/)

I think exactly the same. If anyone really successfully would invent such a machine, then he would IMHO either be altruistic and give away the plans for free and show everyone his working prototype, or he would be greedy and then he would just make the machines for himself, and start as an energy company. As in the long haul this would always be more profitable.

Manufacturing the machines and selling them makes only sense if he would sell them for the construction price, not with any big surplus, with the intention to spread it as fast as possible (altruistic version).
Simply because such a machine would immediately become copied, and no patent in the world could protect you from that, for it would be an invention which would have a deep impact on society.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 05, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
I believe the very fact that you (another user) now believe I made a mistake (according to MH) does serve as evidence of the defamation to which I now have to spend my time CORRECTING and defending this record. These are damages.

I see no evidence that my personal endeavor to invest in experimental kits including the Q2 (which I converted to a Q3) and the G1 and my subsequent learning experiences including both my successes and failures is a "mistake" and I believe no such evidence exists.

I also believe that if I was to actually listen to Milehigh's negativity and followed his advice to not build it; I would not have learned anything!  :P

And yes I did build stuff as a mere bench jockey with little knowledge.
I have done and still do this to LEARN stuff and this is no mistake in my reality.  :)

My first experience doing this here (built G2) was very positive where I was working on one project then started and completed a second where I was NOT impeded by a continuing stream of negative comments about why it "won't work therefore I shouldn't even try it".
See:
http://overunity.com/3842/muller-dynamo/msg356459/#msg356459 (http://overunity.com/3842/muller-dynamo/msg356459/#msg356459)

BUT, then my second experience was far different and very negative and discouraging to the point I did in fact abandon the sharing of my experience here and took my stuff to a different forum just as others have also done after being faced with all that negativity from Milehigh. These are true recorded facts of the bullying. Including 'diplomatic' statements along the lines of "I am your hero here to save you from yourself and you shouldn't try some new thing because some other thing happened in the past...".
See:
http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424343/#msg424343 (http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424343/#msg424343)
http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424367/#msg424367 (http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424367/#msg424367)
(Where all that negativity continued even after I picked up my equipment and left their game.)

But none of this ancient history matters!
This is all in the PAST and is OFF topic distractions brought to us by user Milehigh.

Please forgive my frustrations and his distractions he brought here.

And please remain positive and lets explore how this alleged scam might actually be the real deal or how we can make it real.  :)

So; even if this company is a scam; I don't care.
Lets study the possibilities ANYWAY regardless of the stream of negativity telling us we shouldn't even try. I have been hearing this parroting negativity for so long that it has become meaningless.  8)

Kindest regards

}:>


@Scorch: (http://overunity.com/profile/scorch.27007/)Honestly MH tries to very diplomatically show the mistakes you made in the past and all you can do is personal attacks on the lowest level without anything to substantiate them except that you believe otherwise and therefore feel attacked?

I have no problem that you want to believe in this, but you also must accept that until now basically everything about this InnovaTehno history clearly points into the direction of a scam. Even Stefan (the owner of overunity.com) points that out.
Go and give them your money. We just wanted to warn you, that you will lose it. But if this is fine for you, I don't have a problem with that.

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Grumage on March 05, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
Dear Scorch.

This thread might be of interest to you ?

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3395.msg59144#msg59144

I'm waiting for new materials to arrive from the Far East to further investigate " Smudge's Musings " on this subject.

Who knows ??    ;)

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 05, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
Scorch.
Why don't you try jumping off a tall building to see if believing in a safe landing will work? Answer: you don't jump because you 'know' the outcome. Yet when MH (and others) point out that nothing new is to be learned from something, you jump all over them. If reading MH's post causes you distress the DON'T read them. Nobody is forcing you. I enjoy his posts, but there are posts from others that I don't bother with.
Stop whining.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 05, 2017, 08:35:32 PM
Some food for thought.  If you had a real free energy machine or OU machine or whatever you wanted to call it how would your present it?

More food for thought: If the Testatika machine is fake, then for all the world, what could be the purpose to build one machine after the other, one bigger than the other, without asking for money nor looking for investors nor presenting the working machines in public? The bottommost image shows even two machines next to each other during construction in the workshop.

The only purpose I can think of is that this (very simple) FE concept works indeed and they using those machines just for their own energy needs.

Have I overlooked something in my reasoning? Maybe »vested interests« have paid Methernitha in order to distract researchers and lead them up the garden path?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Kahrlo on March 05, 2017, 09:50:53 PM
The Methernitha community never used the device as a source for their need for electricity. The community was some kind of cult or sect, their guru Paul Baumann probably used the machine as a proof for his superior knowledge and the superiority of his community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methernitha
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 05, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
Not whining.

Intend to move forward.

Also agree to ignore the negative and wait for or even create the positive.  :)

Kindest regards;

}:>



Scorch.
Why don't you try jumping off a tall building to see if believing in a safe landing will work? Answer: you don't jump because you 'know' the outcome. Yet when MH (and others) point out that nothing new is to be learned from something, you jump all over them. If reading MH's post causes you distress the DON'T read them. Nobody is forcing you. I enjoy his posts, but there are posts from others that I don't bother with.
Stop whining.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 05, 2017, 10:55:52 PM
The rumors are that some attempts to replicate that device have indeed failed.
And yes I am well aware that MANY have tried BECAUSE there are first hand witnesses who testified the community did or does have its own power system which is rumored to be very hidden and even denied because the community doesn't want all that attention.

But of course;  I am not going to stop trying or watching for new energy discoveries just because of past failures or dark secrets.

The rumors are also that John Bedini (RIP) did a good job of replicating the Kromrey converter and subsequently demonstrated it for cameras and witnesses who testified to the affect of a noticeable cooling of the immediate area as the device was drawing in energy from the environment and converting to electricity.

His particular replication included-
1. Nonferous shaft because a common steel shaft creates a different magnetic path which PREVENTS the desired effect so anybody who attempts this replication with a common steel shaft will fail.
2. BeFe magnets which are no longer readily available so anybody who attempts this replication using ceramic magnets will fail.

On the other hand; an attempt to replicate based on the original patent without magnets at all may actually succeed in replicating a very high efficiency generator and the actual efficiency will remain to be seen.

The point being that just because some thing can be faked or some replications have failed, this does not mean all is lost and we should merely give up. ::)

And of course unless you or I actually travel to the Linden community for our own hands experience then; the rumor the system exists is mere hearsay.
On other hand, unless you or I actually travel to the Linden community for our own hands experience then; the rumor the system does NOT exist is ALSO mere hearsay.

All I actually know about it is that I know many articles such as this exist-
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/methnith.htm (http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/methnith.htm)

And other rumors that the system performance is effected by realitive humidity and is very finicky in it's operation.
These are all RUMORS and mere hearsay and what I believe is not the same thing as what I actually know.  8)

Please see if you can find any evidence the community actually is served by a conventional power grid system such power lines substantial enough to power the entire community, the name of the utility company providing the power or samples of utility bills from one or more of the residents and report back to us so we can actually KNOW something by way of a POSITIVE attempt to reveal a fact. Of course if the system is more localized such one system for each building; this creates an entirely new challenge doesn't it?

Or better yet; set all that aside and positively work towards methods the system of THIS TOPIC might actually work.

The environment is FULL of energy and any method to capture lightning in a bottle may be beneficial to our goal of energy independence and this is a topic of this possible method of doing so.

Lightning strikes reach the ground on Earth as much as 8 million times per day or 100 times per second, according to the National Severe Storms Laboratory.

You want free energy? Simply build a giant capacitor connected to a tower and wait for the occasional lightning strike to charge your building sized Leyden jar and power your city.  :)

Where does all that energy come from? The earth and layers of atmosphere are a spherical capacitor that is constantly replenished to the point that when storms "bridge the gap" discharges will occur.  8)

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00875454 (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00875454)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(lightning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(lightning))
 
Kindest regards;

}:>



More food for thought: If the Testatika machine is fake, then for all the world, what could be the purpose to build one machine after the other, one bigger than the other, without asking for money nor looking for investors nor presenting the working machines in public? The bottommost image shows even two machines next to each other during construction in the workshop.

The only purpose I can think of is that this (very simple) FE concept works indeed and they using those machines just for their own energy needs.

Have I overlooked something in my reasoning? Maybe »vested interests« have paid Methernitha in order to distract researchers and lead them up the garden path?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 05, 2017, 11:31:17 PM
Timemachine, there are many 'reasons' for people to do things. Don't take persistence to mean success.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on March 05, 2017, 11:55:50 PM
Hey there,
If it's time to speculate then let's do it. Warning all what comes it's only my interpretation so take it wit a bunch of salt :)
The jam jars thingies on the rotating disc are some sort of high voltage capacitors , the white drops that can be seen on the floor could be some sort of barium titanate compound. so what's next? you know ... moving charge --->magnetic field so the rotating disc generates a pulsating magnetic field (pulsating because the charge is not evenly distributed along the disc but packed in the caps)
And that said pulsating magnetic field is then tapped by the coils on the small metalic frame and so we have a generator.Is this form of generator a drag free one ?i have no idea. the rest of the story? i have really no clue right now but this is what i think right now
anyway have fun with this "gedankenexperiment"
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 06, 2017, 01:54:05 AM
Is this positive or productive speculation regarding this topic of this device which may incorporate a static electricity accumulator and condenser? Such as: "A leyden jar with a dimpled hemispherical jacket may actually collect a charge when accelerated through the air on a spinning disc much like a van de graaf generator does".

Or is this negative sarcasm against positive theoretical speculation intended for us to actually learn something about the mystery?
Is your speculation based on the known characteristics of a leyden jar, van de graaf or wimshurst generator or other visible aspects of the IPP7.4 device?

Please forgive me but this does appear to be sarcasm and I am reminded that it has been said that the genius can take the complicated and make it simple and that the idiot can take the simple and make it complicated and that sarcasm denotes the lack of an open mind.

Or at least a mere belief and lazy desire to "bust" a system by NOT actually building or testing the system because one already believes it to be "impossible" therefore nothing new can enter the mind. And to the best of my knowledge, the showroom is still there and the device is ready for inspection until we hear otherwise.  8)

Case in point-
The mythbusters "busted" a proof of *concept device by NOT actually building the device that even a grade school girl did build and did win first prize at the science fair.

The judges (presumably with scientific background) originally claimed that she had cheated somehow because they personally believed there is no way a motor can run for that long on a single battery while also powering a light. BUT the judges could not find any evidence the system is "fake" and finally had to admit she had produced the real deal and they did award her a blue ribbon at the science fair. Was this a scientific breakthrough involving a patented system? What exactly did the mythbusters bust?!?

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15570506/ (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15570506/)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15570587/ (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15570587/)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15752887/ (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15752887/)

*Proof of concept device - John Bedini (RIP) never claimed the "Simplified School Girl" version was an OU device. And he would have told the mythbusters this IF they had actually talked to the inventor before defaming him.
It was designed merely to prove a concept that adding an extra winding and circuitry to capture transient high voltages (that conventional systems normally waste) can in fact capture those high voltages from the BEMF and return it back to the system for increased efficiency resulting in a motor that runs far longer than conventional scientists believed it could. Plus the proof that a generator coil can be placed next to the rotor which slows the rotor thus REDUCING input current while increasing energy out to light an LED bulb.

See examples of how to "bust it" by NOT actually building it-

Mythbusters Busted or: It's just a fantasy from a well known inventor we never even talked to before using his name and defaming him on national TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEtiNum9MpM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEtiNum9MpM)

Keshe, his entire foundation, all the people involved and the commercially available products are all "Krazy"-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M87oGaqaSk  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M87oGaqaSk)
This is a fine example of severe sarcasm and giving up while others are still working at it and advancing their knowledge after ZF gave up.
See:
Off grid, 123rd workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgGEDpXGreo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgGEDpXGreo&t=0s)
Off grid, 124th workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxHDaqDxmsA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxHDaqDxmsA&t=0s)
Off grid, 127th workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nyo42p1Ccg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nyo42p1Ccg&t=0s)
Off grid, 128th workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBVI6hp3jtk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBVI6hp3jtk&t=0s)
Off grid, 130th* workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFNXQB0exuU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFNXQB0exuU&t=0s)
Better resolution of this last test- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6h1V6WPAHQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6h1V6WPAHQ&t=0s)
On grid, commercial version- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpakmoHEBWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpakmoHEBWI&t=0s)
*Original 130th workshop video is over 10 hours long at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbWp955qz0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbWp955qz0w&t=0s)

So, just because they FAILED to build it does not mean it is "bad" and it cannot be built better in the future.  :)
If one simply gives up then one has indeed failed to learn from his trial and error failures while others may relent, move forward and reveal a breakthrough in science.  ;D

Are there any objections to our pursuit of happiness and scientific breakthroughs into new territory where classical physics may be in denial and newtonian physics may actually break down at the quantum level?

Kindest regards;

}:>

Hey there,
If it's time to speculate then let's do it. Warning all what comes it's only my interpretation so take it wit a bunch of salt :)
The jam jars thingies on the rotating disc are some sort of high voltage capacitors , the white drops that can be seen on the floor could be some sort of barium titanate compound. so what's next? you know ... moving charge --->magnetic field so the rotating disc generates a pulsating magnetic field (pulsating because the charge is not evenly distributed along the disc but packed in the caps)
And that said pulsating magnetic field is then tapped by the coils on the small metalic frame and so we have a generator.Is this form of generator a drag free one ?i have no idea. the rest of the story? i have really no clue right now but this is what i think right now
anyway have fun with this "gedankenexperiment"
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: TinselKoala on March 06, 2017, 04:26:31 AM
Your VDG machine is missing its belt, and your Wimshurst machine is clearly an ancient model, built by someone who doesn't know how to optimize its working. It may produce 3 cm sparks on a dry day.

Yes, the Innova Tehno machine is just a hoax, and I am telling you this from long experience with hoaxers, electrostatic machines and YT videos. You can believe me or not, but if you DON'T believe me, I expect you to spend all your time, effort and money trying to reproduce it. Go ahead! You will fail.

Meanwhile, here's a little photo of one of my Bonetti machines, making 20+ cm sparks. And this _can_ be reproduced, by anyone who actually pays attention to the details I have given elsewhere:

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: MileHigh on March 06, 2017, 05:11:02 AM
Scorch:

If you are going to do the whole Bedini thing, let's really bring it down to reality, ok?

Yes Mythbusters messed it up and got busted.  But let's do some Mythbusters busters busting ourselves.

The classic thing that people say about a Bedini motor, is something like, "We demoed our Bedini motor at the conference and an engineer came over and looked at our demo with a funny clueless look on his face and he walked away bewildered not understading the alternative form of electricity used in our Bedini motor."

I have read that dozens of times and that has to be one of the most ridiculous statements about Bedini motors that is often repeated.  There is nothing special or alternative about a Bedini motor at all and any engineer understands how they work inside-out.

Beyond that, let's say you start with a fully charged source battery and a fully discharged charging battery,  If you run the Bedini motor until the source battery is fully discharged then the charging battery will be between 30% and 40% charged.  That's because when a typical Bedini motor runs, the charging power is about 30% to 40% of the power draw of the motor itself.  60% to 70% of the source battery energy becomes waste heat as the motor runs.

I am quoting you here: 
Quote
BUT her device infuriated her science tutors because it was demonstrating an electrical effect that appeared to be completely in violation of the laws of physics according to them; the science teachers...

That is not even remotely true.  You are simply repeating what you have been told.  The reality is that a Bedini pulse motor is a very very simple circuit that is easily understandable.

I am all for alternative energy, and by that right now that means renewable energy.  Hundreds of billions of dollars are being invested in better solar panel research, better battery technology research and so on.  It may take several decades but one day the grid may be mostly powered by renewable energy sources.  There is more than enough solar energy to make that a possibility.

Bedini motors are a great thing for a beginner in electronics to play with.  The challenge is to cut through all of the hype and understand how it _really_ works and move past the ridiculous "cult of alternative energy" business.

MileHigh
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 06, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
It was merely an example to make a point about skeptics and sarcasm and I probably went completely over-board again as I always try to bring as much detail as I can think of in some sort of one sided conversation..

And BTW; I just discovered a whole other history about Bedini and I'm now reexamining my roles in this life and entirely new paths of exploration.  8)

Please forgive me for being so headstrong a little earlier.

You do have good points but I also have my own path so thank you for putting up with me.  :)

As far as this IPP7.4 device goes; looks great BUT still waiting to see what actually happens while I study other things more my speed instead of trying to wrap my brain around what is either a fairly complicated system or a total fake and only time will tell.

The company will either grow or fail and if it does fail this is still not necessarily due to a scam or fake and could merely be just poor business plan or outside "energy interest" forces shut it down as has happened so many times before.

Thank you again.

Kindest regards;

}:>

Scorch:

If you are going to do the whole Bedini thing, let's really bring it down to reality, ok?

MileHigh
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on March 06, 2017, 09:15:16 AM
TinselKoala: see this :)

start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8e_lE-d_M
more power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVroqlqDsYw

Only 1 disk and 2 brushes  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbVqrDv1bk
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Shanti on March 06, 2017, 09:43:01 AM
(Although quite offtopic in the meantime)

About the Thestatikas:
Yes, they do not use the machines to power their homes. They use power from the grid and have some wind and solar power.
IMHO there are three possibilities why history went as it did:
1) It was a Scam all along to get more people. But actually some points speak against this.
2) Energy was generated, but it was in the beginning not known from where, and in the end was just a galvanic reaction. Remember how Baumann clearly explained, that it only worked with two different metals being used. He also explained that there are many many metal layers in the big pots.  (I think many allegedly OU machines actually worked on galvanic reactions (Coler, Hendershot, ...), as many people are not aware of this simple effect)
3) It did get some energy "from the air", like Baumann explained. If it was from atmospheric electricity (similar to Plauson), this principle cannot be scaled up and is therefore practically and economically not a solution. When they realized this they stopped. They themselves said, the bigger machines did not perform as expected.


About Bedini:
I'm still amazed how many still think there's anything to Bedini's stuff. It has been replicated so many times and never ever showed anything, that one wouldn't expect from conventional physics (even the stuff from Bedini himself).
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: pomodoro on March 06, 2017, 10:17:45 AM
If you go on energetic forum there is a goodbye letter from Linderman.  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20673-thank-you-farewell.html
He talks as if he achieved so much in the OU field before retirement. Excuse me Peter, but what exactly have you given us. Same for Bedini. An OU god apparently but again where is the OU exactly? Why are these guys Gods?
Anyways, there are honest researchers out there.. Thankfully.

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 06, 2017, 12:30:12 PM
Quote
About the Thestatikas:
Yes, they do not use the machines to power their homes. They use power from the grid and have some wind and solar power.

How do you know? Did you visit them?

Quote
1) It was a Scam all along to get more people. But actually some points speak against this.

Get people for what?

Quote
2) Energy was generated, but it was in the beginning not known from where, and in the end was just a galvanic reaction.

A galvanic reaction that produced 1KW for hours?

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Remember how Baumann clearly explained, that it only worked with two different metals being used. He also explained that there are many many metal layers in the big pots.

Could be distraction. Could be he made-up something just to answer pushy questions.

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3) It did get some energy "from the air", like Baumann explained. If it was from atmospheric electricity (similar to Plauson), this principle cannot be scaled up and is therefore practically and economically not a solution.

This is illogical. Build ten small 1KW machines and you will get 10KW instead of 1KW.

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When they realized this they stopped. They themselves said, the bigger machines did not perform as expected.

They stopped building bigger machines because the smaller ones were working good enough for their needs?

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Meanwhile, here's a little photo of one of my Bonetti machines, making 20+ cm sparks. And this _can_ be reproduced, by anyone who actually pays attention to the details I have given elsewhere:

Then the question is, how much voltage is needed to get the power amplification effect in the condensers? Maybe it is not the high voltage but pulsing high voltage in combination of special designed Leyden jars? There must be a good reason for the metallic sectors on the Testatika disks, because a sectorless Bonetti machine would be far more easier to build.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 06, 2017, 03:38:21 PM
Zeitmaschine:
capacitors/condensers do NOT amplify power or energy. Neither do gears, pulleys, flywheels. NOTHING does. You ca change energy but not generate it.
Static electricity has a very low volumetric energy density; hence large machines are not practical.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 06, 2017, 03:50:42 PM
Harold Aspden (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm) states otherwise. Not my fault. :)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 06, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
Interesting how you get 'fault' into the discussion. Fault implies some form/quantity of morality.
Just because someone makes a claim does not make it true.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 06, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
Harold Aspden (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm) states otherwise. Not my fault. :)

You do not even comprehend what Harold Aspden meant, you do not know how to implement his findings.

This thread can be resumed by the simple words: "I want to believe".

People here are in a bad state of mind, bad people, unproductive in life, undriven, confused. They lie to themselves that they understand complex phenomenon of why and how a device should work (even if the device is 100% fraud). They hang onto false hope, if you take away their hope by pointing out weakness in the story they react violently.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 06, 2017, 06:23:52 PM
I recently discovered some very interesting testimony from Rick regarding his history with Bedini.

In my arrogance I had always believed Rick was merely an apprentice following John and learning from him.
Rick always seemed to be a little hesitant and unsure in his mannerism then he eventually disappeared from Bedini stuff and I had assumed that Bedini had simply replaced him with somebody else BUT, as it turns out; Rick may actually be the student who had surpassed the teacher in many ways.  :o

I just (last night) viewed these two "behind the scenes" videos from Rick and some of you may already be aware of these:

Why John Bedini and Rick Friedrich Parted Ways-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DJ-QH3h-xo

Bedini Tesla Switch, What's wrong with it? It KILLS Batteries!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1FyajzU3So

I knew the SSG was merely a "proof of concept" experiment and wasn't long before I started asking: "Why isn't John ever providing much beyond all these similar "proof of concept" devices?
In the Energy From the Vacuum series there are many hints about different things that can be tried but he never actually brought it all together to say: "Build this whole system based on all these obscure ideas I trickled out and/or contradicted over the years."

And now Rick has confirmed suspicions I had for many years that yes indeed; john was actually purposely withholding information . . .  ::)

And beyond that past history, it appears Rick intends to move well beyond John by offering new things to consider including "go back to the original invention and study that instead of Johns adulterated version of it".  :)

Just food for thought.

Kindest regards;

}:>

If you go on energetic forum there is a goodbye letter from Linderman.  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20673-thank-you-farewell.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20673-thank-you-farewell.html)
He talks as if he achieved so much in the OU field before retirement. Excuse me Peter, but what exactly have you given us. Same for Bedini. An OU god apparently but again where is the OU exactly? Why are these guys Gods?
Anyways, there are honest researchers out there.. Thankfully.
Title: Video of test on platform in lake
Post by: e2matrix on March 06, 2017, 06:56:40 PM
Device running lights, heater and fan on platform in lake for 25+ minutes: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYkYVQnXHE0
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
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You do not even comprehend what Harold Aspden meant, you do not know how to implement his findings.

True. Otherwise I would not still have to do research on the correct configuration of the condensers. Would be nice if someone could explain to me in detail what Aspden meant.
Title: Re: Video of test on platform in lake
Post by: Scorch on March 06, 2017, 08:42:04 PM

This is also an interesting video BUT the lake can easily conceal a cable connected under the raft. ???

A demonstration similar to the one in this video would be a lot more interesting in which innovatehno could actually video document the system being lifted off the floor to prove there is no concealed wire through the floor then; proceed to start up system and video for an extend period of time as a single shot video from inspection, to start up to extended operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAseG7z_GQo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAseG7z_GQo)

In my mind this is the ONLY question right now. Is there a concealed connection up through the tile floor?

Innovatehno REALLY needs to demonstrate this is truly a PORTABLE, self contained system that could be transported and operated in a vehicle.

Not concerned about other discrepancies right now such as a loose wire after shut down which may be simply for safety reason to discharge and ground what appears to be leydon jar condensers while visitors are inspecting and touching things. And current communications failures could be for any number of reasons. So; time will tell.  8)

Not everything is as it appears. Here is another very similar demonstration BUT there is possible concealed connection behind board leaning against wall and also appears his building lights actually dim when he starts the system which is allegedly self starting from a battery and inverter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1bEOigvjlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1bEOigvjlk)


Kindest regards;

}:>

Device running lights, heater and fan on platform in lake for 25+ minutes: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYkYVQnXHE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYkYVQnXHE0)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on March 06, 2017, 11:52:39 PM
True. Otherwise I would not still have to do research on the correct configuration of the condensers. Would be nice if someone could explain to me in detail what Aspden meant.
Yes pls to me too :)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on March 07, 2017, 12:05:30 AM
This thread can be resumed by the simple words: "I want to believe".
What's wrong with that?
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People here are in a bad state of mind, bad people, unproductive in life, undriven, confused...
Wow, you're maybe right, i'm in a bad state of mind (just had some vine), does that make me a bad one?(nope just a sleepy one) unproductive ?(yes if too much ...) undriven and confused? (again if it's too much :) )
But hey , i really want to believe, i love to dream about "what if?" but that does not make me a believer.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zephir on March 07, 2017, 12:31:39 AM
Quote
Where does all that energy come from? The earth and layers of atmosphere are a spherical capacitor that is constantly replenished to the point that when storms "bridge the gap" discharges will occur. A leyden jar with a dimpled hemispherical jacket may actually collect a charge when accelerated through the air on a spinning disc much like a van de graaf generator does".

Here (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/16845/post/quote/501403/last_msg/501403/) I'm explaining, how the overunity arises from anapole field. For to achieve the anapole field, multiple conditions must be fulfilled, one of them is the resonance of scalar waves. This is because we need to modulate light speed faster, than the EM wave propagates itself. It's not so impossible as it looks at the first sight, because within materials of high permeability and/or permeability the speed of EM wave propagation is much lower than the speed of light in vacuum. The extreme case is the boson condensate, where the EM waves propagate with speed of few meters per second, so we can modulate their speed in mechanical way.

Being (mostly) longitudinal waves of vacuum, the scalar waves are doing most of things exactly in the opposite way than the transverse EM waves. For example the EM waves get radiated, when the EM field is changing its polarity, whereas the scalar waves get radiated only, when it's changing its intensity, i.e. during pulses and transient phenomena within material in (negative) dependence of field density to energy density. The EM waves get absorbed / radiated well with materials where the electrons can move freely, i.e. the metals. The scalar waves are absorbed / radiated just with materials and systems, where these electrons get immobilized (Dirac/Weyl/Majorana fermion materials), i.e. the superconductors, topological insulators and graphene, charged capacitors of ferromagnets in anapole arrangement. These materials get transparent for light waves instead. And so on...

There is less known but intriguing aspect of transverse waves, they cannot be radiated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonradiation_condition) with spherical antennae.  As you may expect (and Konstantin Meyl demonstrated (http://www.meyl.eu/go/50_Experimental/scalarboat.jpg)), the scalar waves just love spherical antennae instead. And their resonators would be therefore formed just with concentric spheres or their likes (bi-conical coils of Tesla and/or cylindrical capacitors similar to Leyden jars).

But as I explained above, the scalar waves fu*k metal conductors in general and they respect electrons only once they're immobilized with strong electric field. From this follows, that scalar wave resonator must be formed with CHARGED concentric capacitor, or better to say, with field gradient at its plates. From this insight follows the concept of captret, i.e. the capacitor stack formed with system of nested charged spheres, which are separated with voltage gradient each other. The usage of such a configuration in InnovaTehno or Testatika devices has therefore its good theoretical meaning in the same way, like the Wehrsen / Wimshurst's disks, which keep them charged.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: endlessoceans on March 07, 2017, 01:37:32 AM
SCAM SCAM SCAM,


When their website was operational all you had to do was go read the fineprint of what must be agreed on to purchase one of these.  They claimed that they could carry out free delivery of the units because they had electric cars that were all powered by the OU unit   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OMG Serious?????!!!!!!   :o :o :o :o :o

That is just highly retarded and OVERCOMPENSATION LIES.

The consumer is expected to believe that not only do they have OU machines but now they suddenly also have a magical fleet of electrical cars running on said machines to deliver WORLDWIDE.  OMG.....so what about electric planes and boats to do international transfers and are we also expected to believe that the workers /drivers themselves also plug the electrical unit up their ASS and require no wages??    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)   Maybe they like it but they still need food to live

LOL

This is just laughable that anyone even now keep wondering whether it is real or scam.  It was evident from day 1 that it is a SCAM and there are so many other evidences also.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 07, 2017, 03:34:48 AM
There is only 2 possibility.

1: Meternitha device is legitimate and Innova tehno is trying to give them, this device type, bad reputation.

2: Both Meternitha device and Innova tehno device are frauds.

No possibility for Innova Tehno to be real now, he has lied before, he will lie again.

They are bad people, bad people everywhere.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Shanti on March 07, 2017, 07:56:24 AM
@Zeitmaschine: (http://overunity.com/profile/zeitmaschine.50641/)

I'm sorry, but that would be IMHO way too offtopic to start discussing this in detail here. But it seems you didn't yet inform yourself much about the Testatika. I would strongly recommend you to visit the Testatika Yahoo group (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/testatika/ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/testatika/)). There is the best collection on information about it. If you still want to discuss your questions, I would recommend to post them again on a Testatika thread here, and I will readily answer there.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 07, 2017, 11:30:25 AM
People here are in a bad state of mind, bad people, unproductive in life, undriven, confused.

The phrase »unproductive in life« could also be true for hot fusion researchers (http://issues.org/31-4/fusion-research-time-to-set-a-new-path/). Decade after decade no useful outcome. Very confusing and undriven.

They lie to themselves that they understand complex phenomenon of why and how a device should work (even if the device is 100% fraud).

And here the question reads: Who is it, that supports and funds all those elaborate frauds and why? Are intelligence agencies those who take down working devices or are they those, who contract non-working devices? Or even both?

They hang onto false hope, if you take away their hope by pointing out weakness in the story they react violently.

Or they come up with a far more better story. ;D

If you still want to discuss your questions, I would recommend to post them again on a Testatika thread here, and I will readily answer there.

If the thread is the problem then we could use that one: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts? (http://overunity.com/17036/the-concentric-capacitor-key-to-the-kapanadze-device-and-similar-fe-concepts/msg497883/#msg497883) because, as it now strongly looks, a lot of FE devices can be boiled down to one basic FE concept.

Unfortunately some stuff I ordered from Far East arrived broken, so I have some additional repair work to do. :(

By the way: Any business proposals (http://innovatehno.eu/investors/) anyone? So the world has to wait further on for free energy just because no one has a decent idea for their business? >:(
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Shanti on March 07, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
@zeitmaschine: I would rather do it in a specific Testatika thread like e.g. this one: http://overunity.com/2223/source-of-energy-testatika/225/
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 07, 2017, 12:43:49 PM
Yes, now there are some fake free energy inventors being funded, they get starting pay then rest is what they get by scamming, very effective strategy.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have many decent ideas.

I need, money.

Many times I am stalled because I have to argue with bad people.

I was replicating Stephen Meyers patent application then stopped, due to lack of funds.

It could have been a good path, I wonder what happened to him.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 07, 2017, 04:15:27 PM
I have read that 10 years old thread some weeks ago but couldn't find anything really new and enlightening there. So perhaps we should really combine Aspden and Testatika in order to shed some light on this.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 07, 2017, 05:14:51 PM
That is jsut a small intuition, Aspden was not the master at explaining things clearly.

He was a bit an asshole.

What did he leave us, nothing or something big?

One thing that can be said, is that, if a device is a good path for overunity, then scammers and fraudsters will use this path and scam it and attempt to block it.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 07, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Eh, yeah, this is certainly one possible scenario along those same lines.

The offer may be a system that actually does clearly demonstrate it is an asset and the party does collect LOTS of sales deposits and investments after proving it does work but then; the party, device and the money simply disappear.  :o

Why did it all disappear in this scenario? Don't know. Could actually be another case of banking and oil agents cleaning them out and leaving nothing.

But I will not make any assumption, remain positive and merely wait to see what happens.  8)

The site is still there and it has only been about one week since he logically announced he no longer offers expensive stuff for free.

Kindest Regards;

}:>



One thing that can be said, is that, if a device is a good path for overunity, then scammers and fraudsters will use this path and scam it and attempt to block it.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 07, 2017, 07:19:20 PM
"banking and oil agents" please, no more conspiracy sh!t.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 07, 2017, 09:41:33 PM
Eh...
What is the PURPOSE of this forum?

I believe it is for the seeking of our energy independence away from the control of energy companies including banks that own the companies.
I also believe he who CREATES it has right to CONTROL it including energy and energy bills.

Please forgive my belief systems.  8)

Are we to understand your personal belief system is that you do not believe international bankers own major oil companies and "our oil interests" are a matter of "national security" and they do kill people who are a threat to national security including outright wars?
Or that you do not believe numerous alternative energy inventors have been murdered, discredited or litigated to financial ruin in addition to the wars?

If yes and you do not actually believe these things then; no problem and I accept your belief.
Most of us in free, civil societies do respect and forgive personal belief systems of other peoples.  :)

If not for the obvious threats to national security including oil companies then; why do the inventors keep getting murdered if not for these reasons of national security including our international oil interests?

Or simply ask: What happen to Nikola Tesla after the corporations discovered he intended to provide wireless electricity that cannot be easily controlled and metered for the benefit of money makers?

I am not saying it is good or bad. Not saying it is true or false. I take no position. Capitalism and Corporatocracy is merely what it is. A neutral event. *shrugs*  :)

But I do BELIEVE a matrix of controlling corporations and many details of such murders do exist-
http://mapper.nndb.com/t/795/10765/l10765.jpg (http://mapper.nndb.com/t/795/10765/l10765.jpg)
https://goo.gl/J0C0zc (https://goo.gl/J0C0zc)

I also believe John Bedini and his brother both dropped dead on the same day.

Please forgive my personal belief systems.

Kindest regards;

}:>

PS:
Most conspiracies are crimes that should be thoroughly investigated when there is a theory a conspiracy may exist and ignorance of the law excuse none.
Ignorance is bliss until somebody takes advantage of our ignorance.

"banking and oil agents" please, no more conspiracy sh!t.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 07, 2017, 11:33:37 PM
You still free to believe anything, including for which there is little or no evidence.
"not believe numerous alternative energy inventors have been murdered, discredited or litigated to financial ruin in addition to the wars?" Many people are, and have been 'murdered, discredited or litigated to financial ruin'. I am sure some of them were 'alternative energy inventors'. It is assigning a causal relationship to these crimes that I find highly doubtful.
Note that many 'alternative energy' inventions that were once disruptive are now commonplace; new ones are being developed right now and some will make it to market, but they won't be based imho on much that you find on this site.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tomd on March 08, 2017, 12:39:32 AM
The suppression of the thorium battery:

"Worst still is what has been happening in the nuclear battery development arena. In 1996-1998, Dr. Shimoda (Osaka University of Technology), Dr. Khanna (Harvard), Dr. Eugene Mallove (MIT) and Dr. Aries M. DeGeus introduced the world to the realities of MHD physics and plasma powered energy - the same energy we see in lightning bolts during a thunderstorm. They put forth solid theories that even the U.S. DoE embraced and subsequently sponsored over $40 million of research that resulted in the publication of 5 white papers that were once posted on the internet between 1997-2008, but which all then mysteriously vanished in 2010 without explanation.

Further, at least three, and possibly as many as five inventors including Russian Dimitri Petronov, and Americans Aries DeGeus, Dr. Mallove, and "Daniel" produced working prototypes of a Thorium plasma battery that was demonstrated to dozens of people, and unfortunately both the American, and Russian militaries. With zero emissions, these batteries were scalable and could put out consistent voltage with less than .0002 fluctuation, and could be regulated with an AC/DC converter. They could theoretically put out reliable energy without fission for their entire half-life. In the case of the Thorium 232 isotope, the battery could operate for over a hundred years. The three known prototypes powered an electric scooter, a two bedroom home, and a small four passenger car for over a year without a single recharge. Then word got out.

Since then, two of these inventors were murdered and two others disappeared and nobody knows what happened to the prototypes. Then the Pentagon invoked “National Security” and issued a gag order to the only surviving inventor who has since gone underground. Information at the DoE about Thorium and other nuclear batteries vanished just like related details at over a dozen other links like these were also removed"


 http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/thorium.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/thorium.htm)
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 08, 2017, 01:36:10 AM
I am also free to believe in actual evidence and history such as the Rockefeller industrialist-banking family has its roots deep in the oil industry which serves to support my belief some other European banking families have a similar history therefore I do believe Big Banking and Big Oil is very entangled in a broad matrix of control of international conglomerates.

I also believe that oil is a strictly controlled commodity much like diamonds are and only a few very elite groups actually know the TRUE source and availability of sweet crude.

I also believe in math and chemistry.   8)

C02+4H2 --->CH4+2H20
Just need high pressure and heat and there is VERY high pressure and heat deep below the surface.  ;D

http://rodscontracts.com/images/misc/CrudeCreationProcess.jpg (http://rodscontracts.com/images/misc/CrudeCreationProcess.jpg)
http://rodscontracts.com/images/misc/DeepOil.jpg (http://rodscontracts.com/images/misc/DeepOil.jpg)

Kindest regards;

}:>


You still free to believe anything, including for which there is little or no evidence.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 08, 2017, 01:58:28 PM
Eh... a lot of complicated, confusing stuff has appeared which may be a distracting misdirection as I have experienced so many times on this forum.  ???

Sometimes; simpler actually is better.  ;)

Just because a new system may appear as "to good to be true" this does not mean there has not been a breakthrough simpler method to achieve a desired result per the alleged goal of this forum.  8)

Case in point-
I recently (yesterday) discovered what appears to be another replication of the Kapanadze device which is being analyzed by Stivep1 here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiT0hPYSiss

And he is not sure if it's the real thing but as I review Rick's video about these systems; he points out there are actually many different ways to configure this system based on the original design and does not have to be so complicated-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcFWuchjaqk

And I was writing a reply to Stivep1's thread; youtube suggested I watch this new 3 part series titled: "Simple steps for Above Unity - Partnered Output Coils 101 -"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2PV6N75mrk

This new series is about his studies of these various systems which begins with his own recent personal experiences on this forum.  ::)

Just food for thought.

Kindest regards;

}:>

Here (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/16845/post/quote/501403/last_msg/501403/) I'm explaining, how the overunity arises from anapole field. For to achieve the anapole field, multiple conditions must be fulfilled, one of them is the resonance of scalar waves. This is because we need to modulate light speed faster, than the EM wave propagates itself. It's not so impossible as it looks at the first sight, because within materials of high permeability and/or permeability the speed of EM wave propagation is much lower than the speed of light in vacuum. The extreme case is the boson condensate, where the EM waves propagate with speed of few meters per second, so we can modulate their speed in mechanical way.

Being (mostly) longitudinal waves of vacuum, the scalar waves are doing most of things exactly in the opposite way than the transverse EM waves. For example the EM waves get radiated, when the EM field is changing its polarity, whereas the scalar waves get radiated only, when it's changing its intensity, i.e. during pulses and transient phenomena within material in (negative) dependence of field density to energy density. The EM waves get absorbed / radiated well with materials where the electrons can move freely, i.e. the metals. The scalar waves are absorbed / radiated just with materials and systems, where these electrons get immobilized (Dirac/Weyl/Majorana fermion materials), i.e. the superconductors, topological insulators and graphene, charged capacitors of ferromagnets in anapole arrangement. These materials get transparent for light waves instead. And so on...

There is less known but intriguing aspect of transverse waves, they cannot be radiated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonradiation_condition) with spherical antennae.  As you may expect (and Konstantin Meyl demonstrated (http://www.meyl.eu/go/50_Experimental/scalarboat.jpg)), the scalar waves just love spherical antennae instead. And their resonators would be therefore formed just with concentric spheres or their likes (bi-conical coils of Tesla and/or cylindrical capacitors similar to Leyden jars).

But as I explained above, the scalar waves fu*k metal conductors in general and they respect electrons only once they're immobilized with strong electric field. From this follows, that scalar wave resonator must be formed with CHARGED concentric capacitor, or better to say, with field gradient at its plates. From this insight follows the concept of captret, i.e. the capacitor stack formed with system of nested charged spheres, which are separated with voltage gradient each other. The usage of such a configuration in InnovaTehno or Testatika devices has therefore its good theoretical meaning in the same way, like the Wehrsen / Wimshurst's disks, which keep them charged.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Shanti on March 08, 2017, 02:22:39 PM
Am I the only one thinking that this thread has gone far too offtopic?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: tsl on March 08, 2017, 02:57:29 PM
Am I the only one thinking that this thread has gone far too offtopic?
Nope, you're not
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
Shanti
 the topic is being investigated here ,just not in this thread...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fiF6yJJX0

http://overunity.com/17063/smudges-musings-on-electro-kinetic-potential-in-the-earths-a-field/msg500626/#msg500626

There is a definite hunger to understand the "what ifs"
and electrostatics can be experimented with quite easily .

the above thread is attempting to investigate the Innova device here at this forum.


respectfully
Chet K
PS
I see your recommendation above [mirrored at link below]

http://overunity.com/2223/source-of-energy-testatika/225/#.WMAbEbkzVHA

a very good spot to rekindle interest


Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Scorch on March 08, 2017, 06:10:54 PM
Yes. I agree. I was thinking this shortly after I discovered this thread was here to discuss tne IPP7.4 device and this what I came for.
I came here to try to learn more about the device only to discover the same old parrots singing the same old song.  :(

I discovered all kinds of negativity and distractions here that are misdirecting us and taking this off topic whenever a glimmer of truth is apparent such as a resonance and dual currents are the key.

I came to learn about the new device.
I learned something entirely different which is parallel to my previous experiences and that of others.

http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424367/#msg424367

Others have experienced this here.
I have experienced this here.
And now I discovered another founder of another thread has also experienced these very same distractions and misdirections.

I have learned all I can here but it's not what I came here to learn.

Kind of an interesting path though. It has led me to others who actually are explaining these things in a common sense, logical manner that I and others can actually comprehend so; THANK YOU for this minor distraction which has now led me down a new path ELSEWHERE.  ;D

I will seek enlightenment elsewhere and good luck with all this.

Kindest regards;

}:>
 
Am I the only one thinking that this thread has gone far too offtopic?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 08, 2017, 06:14:25 PM
Scorch, you never know where inspiration comes from...
The Thorium battery holds interest for me, as I tried that myself several years ago. Would like the quoted papers...
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2017, 06:24:24 PM
And the good news is there will be much more organized experiments coming here
with moderation for off topic nonsense ,and misdirection .

and all will be open to discussion and evaluation by members here.

experiment ,measurement and claim ... ..good or bad it is the only way to move forward .

and all should be open source ,that is what makes Stefan's forum so good.
and keeps members here from wasting time.

there are some amazing resources in this OPEN SOURCE community .

respectfully
Chet K
ps
here is one example which will be looked at here [on Topic of Scorch post above]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezXx-Hzj3tc



Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 08, 2017, 07:16:50 PM
Sorry Chet; that device fails, as do all similar devices. A force without displacement is not power.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2017, 07:39:15 PM
well
it involves more than what meets the eye
and your input will be greatly appreciated when the topic starts.

respectfully
Chet K
PS

 @memoryman
I see your link below ,to say that this is possible [my you tube link above]
is indeed madness..
things like this always are ....."antigravity" inertia drives etc etc

if we do indeed figure a method to Take from the dipole or develop a potential at no cost [trick nature]
??
 perhaps electrostatic at first ??
nothing ventured nothing gained...
it will be a potpourri of ideas ,not just  that link above which uses a magnetic fluid [proprietary] 
and other special attributes.

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 08, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
I suggest looking at: http://revolution-green.com/back-to-work-again/
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 08, 2017, 08:34:11 PM
I do not understand what are scalar waves and transverse waves. I think transverse waves are normal electromagnetic radiation of transformers and induction coils. But leaving aside the complicated explanation what is stated is factually observed to be correct by me in my experience. I do not know how to use simulation and I have done actual experiments. As member Scorch indicated this place is increasingly an abusive place for people who dare to share. I posted majority of what I did freely and then gave up.

Due to poor health and finances I no longer do any experiments which I think are waste of time money effort and energy. But the complicated explanation below is actually correct but my idea of it is simple. I ist though admit that I do not know what are scalar waves? Do they produce the cold electricity? I have no experience in that area.

Regards

Ramaswami


Here (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/16845/post/quote/501403/last_msg/501403/) I'm explaining, how the overunity arises from anapole field. For to achieve the anapole field, multiple conditions must be fulfilled, one of them is the resonance of scalar waves. This is because we need to modulate light speed faster, than the EM wave propagates itself. It's not so impossible as it looks at the first sight, because within materials of high permeability and/or permeability the speed of EM wave propagation is much lower than the speed of light in vacuum. The extreme case is the boson condensate, where the EM waves propagate with speed of few meters per second, so we can modulate their speed in mechanical way.

Being (mostly) longitudinal waves of vacuum, the scalar waves are doing most of things exactly in the opposite way than the transverse EM waves. For example the EM waves get radiated, when the EM field is changing its polarity, whereas the scalar waves get radiated only, when it's changing its intensity, i.e. during pulses and transient phenomena within material in (negative) dependence of field density to energy density. The EM waves get absorbed / radiated well with materials where the electrons can move freely, i.e. the metals. The scalar waves are absorbed / radiated just with materials and systems, where these electrons get immobilized (Dirac/Weyl/Majorana fermion materials), i.e. the superconductors, topological insulators and graphene, charged capacitors of ferromagnets in anapole arrangement. These materials get transparent for light waves instead. And so on...

There is less known but intriguing aspect of transverse waves, they cannot be radiated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonradiation_condition) with spherical antennae.  As you may expect (and Konstantin Meyl demonstrated (http://www.meyl.eu/go/50_Experimental/scalarboat.jpg)), the scalar waves just love spherical antennae instead. And their resonators would be therefore formed just with concentric spheres or their likes (bi-conical coils of Tesla and/or cylindrical capacitors similar to Leyden jars).

But as I explained above, the scalar waves fu*k metal conductors in general and they respect electrons only once they're immobilized with strong electric field. From this follows, that scalar wave resonator must be formed with CHARGED concentric capacitor, or better to say, with field gradient at its plates. From this insight follows the concept of captret, i.e. the capacitor stack formed with system of nested charged spheres, which are separated with voltage gradient each other. The usage of such a configuration in InnovaTehno or Testatika devices has therefore its good theoretical meaning in the same way, like the Wehrsen / Wimshurst's disks, which keep them charged.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zephir on March 09, 2017, 11:50:28 PM
I do not understand what are scalar waves and transverse waves. I think transverse waves are normal electromagnetic radiation of transformers and induction coils.
That's correct. The transverse waves are radiated when the charged body changes its location, for example the electrons moving along dipole antenna back and forth.

But the vacuum is elastic like the sponge and the longitudinal i.e. scalar waves should be also radiated, when the charged body changes its size periodically, while sitting at place. They were observed first with Nicola Tesla like the needle like sensation (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_24.htm) and another effects (http://nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/common/radiant/TRE1.htm). The relation of scalar waves and light is similar, like the relationship of surface ripples and underwater sound waves at the water surface: the scalar waves form directional beams and they propagate superluminaly. They're manifest itself like the area of contracted time, increased vacuum fluctuations (warp field) and electric noise instead of coherent radiation and they represent a substantial part of dark matter. This is also the way, in which they can be detected, for example with scalar bubble diode (http://i.imgur.com/WWH4lw3.png), superconductive SQUIDs and/or similar magnetic noise based detectors.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 11, 2017, 12:53:16 AM
Thanks for your reply. It appears you are quoting from books.

Secondly  your post implies that it is not possible to obtain co>1 using transverse waves and we need scalar waves to be brought in for this. My experience was different than what you have written.  Observations are correct to a certain extent of what you have written.

Effectively what you have written is that energy flowing between the opposite poles of two permanent magnets kept at a distance by force or objects is scalar waves. But this is different from the scope of this thread. If you have full information on how to replicate Tesla experiments or even part of it Please pm me. I will do them some time in future.

I also find it amusing that space us empty. It is full of very tiny particles with very low mass and having great energy and moving at great speed and force but we do not have instruments to detect them. So they are called black matter. I think they ae also called cosmic rays.

Using shapes it is possible to obtain cop>1 with transverse waves alone. But everyone who do these experiments become very sick and finances collapse for them. Same is the case with me. So I stopped.

Please pm me with scalar waves das if you have and I will check if Destiny permits.

Respectfully

Ramaswami

That's correct. The transverse waves are radiated when the charged body changes its location, for example the electrons moving along dipole antenna back and forth.

But the vacuum is elastic like the sponge and the longitudinal i.e. scalar waves should be also radiated, when the charged body changes its size periodically, while sitting at place. They were observed first with Nicola Tesla like the needle like sensation (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_24.htm) and another effects (http://nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/common/radiant/TRE1.htm). The relation of scalar waves and light is similar, like the relationship of surface ripples and underwater sound waves at the water surface: the scalar waves form directional beams and they propagate superluminaly. They're manifest itself like the area of contracted time, increased vacuum fluctuations (warp field) and electric noise instead of coherent radiation and they represent a substantial part of dark matter. This is also the way, in which they can be detected, for example with scalar bubble diode (http://i.imgur.com/WWH4lw3.png), superconductive SQUIDs and/or similar magnetic noise based detectors.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 11, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
Time for books is over zephir.

If you really know something useful it's time to show your
Electronic circuit, or electromechanical device.

If a particular invention interests you, Wich invention do you speak and what concrete steps have you made to uncover
Working method of said invention. Please show us your work , it does not need to be impressive or overunity but if you really believe and understand you must show something of educational value.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zephir on March 11, 2017, 05:51:45 PM
Quote
Time for books is over zephir. If you really know something useful it's time to show your Electronic circuit, or electromechanical device.
You know, I'm not particular fan of abstract theoretical physics, but in this thread we are discussing the function of device, which we actually don't understand. We are restricted to theories only under current situation - even if I could show some working overunity device, you still wouldn't sure, it really corresponds the InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: MileHigh on March 11, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
Zephir:

Your "theories" look like pseudoscience talk to me.  InnovaTehno.eu looks like a total fake.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zephir on March 12, 2017, 12:50:46 AM
OK, which overunity device looks real for you after then?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 12, 2017, 01:43:43 AM
Thats your job Zephir.

Its you who is litterate in these theories.

Now, as any university student who goes into real world, time to put theory into practice.

I dont know... Think of something, implement... A real device, real components.

If you cannot do nothing with those theories would you say they ae useful to learn?

Are those authors giving you concrete advice on how to build something or you have no idea what is going on.

Or do you have a small idea, but are not quite there yet... How much more years of study will it take?

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: nelsonrochaa on March 12, 2017, 10:16:22 AM
OK, which overunity device looks real for you after then?

Completely agree!
No device can be analyzed only by images, and opinions of people when they do not even know the mode of operation of this particular system, but .... for some just see a video to start judging :) even without knowing what is going on , So I agree with your opinion;
Which override device looks real for some guys?
Some things never change ...

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on March 14, 2017, 03:29:14 PM
Well
A gentleman over here has some thoughts and he is looking to experiment ?
and experimenters?

at Aaron's forum here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20706-innovatehno-eu.html

I am sure all comments would be welcomed over there [on topic]

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 14, 2017, 04:10:53 PM
This is like a placebo effect in a placebo in a placebo with a special powder.

I think the best compromise for attracting customr and proving would be somekind of chain...

What kind of floor was it did he know?

Guy is right, that huge magnet is ridiculous, If it was real we might know very little just by watching.

I would experiment but I am shooting in the dark.

This guy knows nothing... ;D

See the Hans cohler device, and place that thing in the plastic box? What are those balls for?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on March 14, 2017, 07:54:51 PM
Arm
you should not be so Rude to potential guests ... others here may want to learn more about this ?

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 14, 2017, 10:41:53 PM
Sorry...but heknownothing...

I am all ears, this device interests me

But if not more info is given there s nothing to work with.

Tell Iknownothing to reveal all technical details and details of visit.

If we can narrow this down to a quick thing...maybe

Otherwise this is dead end 100%.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Shanti on March 15, 2017, 10:52:46 AM
Just my 2 cents:

Right in the beginning when they brought up the story involving Coler it was obvious to me, that it was a fake.
Simply because Coler has been debunked. His Magnetstromapperat principle has been successfully replicated and the effect is galvanic. We also know that they deceived with their measuring instruments on the Stromerzeuger. BTW we also know Coler wasn't a boat captain and he wasn't the man behind all this (IMHO he just got involved as the face frontman for credibility, because the actual man behind this was "Willi von Unruh", and he had already been convicted for fraud with the Stromerzeuger)

I'm just a bit puzzled that they didn't knew that Coler has been debunked, and so brought up this story...

Edit:
But probably still many people don't know that Coler has been debunked...as AFAIK noone translated yet the whole story (http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgemeines-forum/285-hans-coler) (http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgemeines-forum/285-hans-coler) into english.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ramset on March 15, 2017, 02:14:51 PM
Shanti
I had not read this debunk claim , may have heard it in Passing ..but this is the first Material presented here ?? [which I cannot read BTW] also I see no date on your link ?

would be good to have a quality translation ,so as to Vet this debunk ??

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 15, 2017, 02:31:58 PM
I have to beg to differ on the debunking business. Most do not know what exactly was done and do not replicate exactly the device debunked. They make some attempt and then debunk it.

Patrick has published his Chapter 22 in December on Multiple Wave Oscillator appratus of Georges Lakhovsky. This is not a COP>1 device but a medical device and the Patent for it existed but no one has been able to build a working device. I built a poor replica of what is described in Chapter 22 of Patricks book. The device consumes from 120 watts to 600 watts and has been deliberately built with a weak electric field by us. The device is able to light up a 40 watt tube light when it is placed in between the two aerials without touching any thing proving that high frequency electric field is certainly generated. But the secondary turns are kept deliberately low so that the Electric field is low. On the internet you find videos where there are sparks coming out of the rings. Now can I say in all my honesty look it is a fake it does not produce sparks and so what is shown in youtube ought to be a fake for what I did does not produce sparks. I naturally cannot for I'm carefully experimenting with a high voltage device and have to step by step increase the electric field. This is for a device for which full disclosure and construction details are provided. There is a lot of difference between the actual build and what is disclosed in the patent.

Do we know any info on construction of Hans Coler, Hubbard, Figuera or Hendershot devices. We have none. When that is the case how can we in all our honesty or modesty claim that things have been debunked? I'm unable to accept in the fairness of the debunking writings. I have measured many times COP>1 output but it has been negated for measurement errors and I agree that there is a significant possibility as the results are on the borderline. But if some one says look I do not know about a particular device build and I do not care for the very name iand any device associated with it is debunked is to put it very respectfully not fair.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Shanti on March 15, 2017, 02:53:59 PM
Sorry to again go offtopic, just a little addition:

Quote
Do we know any info on construction of Hans Coler, Hubbard, Figuera or Hendershot devices. We have none. When that is the case how can we in all our honesty or modesty claim that things have been debunked

Yes we do have quite detailed descriptions of Coler's construction (even a detailed listing of the materials), which BTW as I said is actually from Willi von Unruh.

User Dodes' (in a german forum) successful replication of the Magnetstromapperat principle, together with all the data we have now gathered about the Coler story IMHO clearly debunks it. Have you read the whole thing? Doesn't seem to be the case to me!
E.g. that they obviously deceived with the meters on the Stromerzeuger IMHO clearly takes any credibility from them...

Sure you can still believe this is all coincidence and so on, and construct a possible story, so that you can still believe it was genuine (and especially in Coler's story there are a few points on which you can point for justification), but you can also believe in pink invisible elephants...
But IMHO from an objective POV looking at the whole story, you clearly can only conclude it being quite a fraud.
Otherwise I rather see a big case of cognitive dissonance (ignoring facts, when they don't fit into your belief system)
BTW: Even Coler himself was later wanted in germany for a fraud trial...

I mean what more do you need?
 *  Wrong translation of the underlying Norrby patent, probably starting it all. (Original french was "increase in voltage", which has been wrongly translated into "increase of power")
 * Successful replication of the Magnetstromapperat principle (and it's energy is based on a galvanic action)
 * "Inventor" has already been in jail for fraud
 * When engineers visited to test, they discovered that they should have been deceived with the built in meters and when they measured themselves, measured no OU anymore.
 * A lot of money was involved...
 * A very shady side-story of Willi's allegedly brother Hans which was also convicted for fraud (he confessed). He claimed to be able to convert salt into gold.
...
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 15, 2017, 03:46:03 PM
I would very openly concede the following.

a. I have not read the German report.
b. I do not care about the reports for whether they are genuine or not is not known to me unless I experiment and find out.
c. My standard for debunking some thing is to attempt to replicate some thing as described and if it does not work, either my build is poor or the inventor has not disclosed full details.
d. My experience in my hands on experiements is that most if not all hide critical details. the MWO patent has been there from 1931 but no one was able to replicate it until very recently. It is a device built and commercially sold and patent was available online for all to attempt to replicate. Even now I do not believe that the method of treatment is disclosed.
e. I do not go by hearsay evidence. Nor do I go by the inventor has been arrested.


My question is fairly simple.

Did you ever attempt to replicate the success or failure of the unit? If you did not why and how are you competent to certify or debunk some thing about which you have no hands on experience.

Some German name is thrown around and do we know that he is the genuine inventor? If he is indeed he would certainly not disclose the real information. 

Experimental observation and assessment and understanding of principle is key. If you say look this is what I did in a detailed way, I spent my time, money and effort on it and these are my build qualities and these are the observations then you can say about your observations. Mr. X stated some thing in Y language forum and I do not need any thing more than that to debunk it looks like an attempt to prevent people to looking in to this carefully. It may not work for no one provides full disclosure even in patents and we write patents basically to prevent from copying the invention and not to enable them to duplicate it unless they are experts in the subject matter.

It is not a question of faith or belief or lunacy. It is a question of whether you have conducted the experiments, carefully noted down the conditions and attempted to replicate them and whether the original data are reliable or available and how do you certify something without a first hand build experience.

We have lot of TV channels here. One would report a certain fact to be truth and another would present the opposite version. This is called information warfare to disorient, misinform and misdirect people to convince them that a certain thing is the real fact and that they must believe it without ever questioning it. This is not the scientifc method of validation and rejection. 
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 15, 2017, 03:57:57 PM
NRamaswam: in "c. My standard for debunking some thing is to attempt to replicate some thing as described and if it does not work, either my build is poor or the inventor has not disclosed full details." you left out the most likely case: the invention could never work (all OU/FE inventions fail because of this).
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 15, 2017, 05:44:43 PM
Memoryman

Unfortunately I can neither confirm nor deny what you wrote. All I can confirm is that people who dare to do this type of experiments and try to make this type of devices get into multiple types of problems. Health wealth spiritual and psychological and go through many stressful circumstances. Even if by providence they succeed they become so greedy that the greed ensures that the device is either not disclosed or is suppressed. Marginal technical issues are there but they can be handled.

Any device that uses both Electrostatics and Electromagnetics and may be called an electromechanical device is a potential candidate for successful device.  There are other ways of doing it also but this is the easiest method. This is the very limited understanding that I have. Unfortunately every body who try this type of experiments suffer. I do not know why but this is why I have given up. Except for the MWO thing which is an old medical device I am not interested in anything else.

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 15, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
NRamaswami,

If you have faith and belief that it worked, you should try to replicate the german device.

Dont be discouraged and press ahead.

If you dont do it, I dont think nobody will pick up on it, there is usually only 1 motivated person to press ahead deeply, is that you?

So basicly, either you do it, or say it might have worked and still not do it, or say it did not work flat out and dont do it.

Same result: nobody will put the work in to see ? Are you gonna do it?

I am put off by a few thing, I have less faith than you and am busy with other projects. Ramset and memoryman and the others
on this thread dont seem to wanna do it, IKNOWNOTHING does not seem like the type either. So you are the only fanatic left standing.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 15, 2017, 06:15:46 PM
The German device as indicated will not work.

The central component and outer component are missing. Then how will it work. It will not work.

These magnetic fields are very strong and we were very badly affected by them. I am limping today and have difficulty even walking. I am sorry I would not do it. My apologies.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 15, 2017, 06:59:26 PM
NRamawami,

I dont blame you the slightest,

We dont have enough here...

Reading the newst revelations on energetic I am dissapointed...

Isnt it annoying when someone comes along and says hes got privileged info, we get turned on, we think we have an
edge over the house. We think...A family member of some sort who wants to tell a story different from what the papers say... or something along those lines.

But it turns out info is a dudd.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 16, 2017, 04:52:43 AM
Almost all info is inaccurate or misleading. No one gives real info either out of fear or greed.

I have seen real principles to be disclosed only in two pages on net as abstract principles. I know of some people who are very competent but who do not bother about forums. It appears that This innovo machine is real. It also appears that Don Smith had a working device but it produced extremely inimical radiation and so was sort of banned. Any device that uses open core is said to produce inimical radiation. All of this hearsay only. So you can ignore it if you wish.

Here People do not do real experiments. They tend to think electronics can replace electrical machines. Pray tell me which electric generator is small. I have not put magnetic shielding and that's the reason for my problems. Even a bicycle dynamo has magnetic shielding. I will need another six to 9 months of rest and recuperation to again do these experiments. Assuming that I have recovered and then continue to have the desire. Puny proof of concept devices will not work.

Let me take leave now. Thanks

Respectfully

Ramaswami

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 16, 2017, 06:21:02 AM
I follow you on those words NR..Info is treacherous, because researchers don't give easy answers and units of propaganda gatekeepers have layed their traps, many countries I believe understood how easy it is to trick layman who seeks infinite energy. This is to be expected tho...

But it appears that Innova device appears to be real?

You lost me there...

It appears to be fake from all standards of reason. I just continue to believe in it because I am optimistic and persistent, but I really  shouldn't.

And IKNOWNOTHING, isn't tipping the scales for me at least.

But I'm curious, what circuit and setting caused your claimed injury or illness. Can you show the circuit or setting?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: nelsonrochaa on March 16, 2017, 08:36:24 AM
Almost all info is inaccurate or misleading. No one gives real info either out of fear or greed.

I have seen real principles to be disclosed only in two pages on net as abstract principles. I know of some people who are very competent but who do not bother about forums. It appears that This innovo machine is real. It also appears that Don Smith had a working device but it produced extremely inimical radiation and so was sort of banned. Any device that uses open core is said to produce inimical radiation. All of this hearsay only. So you can ignore it if you wish.

Here People do not do real experiments. They tend to think electronics can replace electrical machines. Pray tell me which electric generator is small. I have not put magnetic shielding and that's the reason for my problems. Even a bicycle dynamo has magnetic shielding. I will need another six to 9 months of rest and recuperation to again do these experiments. Assuming that I have recovered and then continue to have the desire. Puny proof of concept devices will not work.

Let me take leave now. Thanks

Respectfully

Ramaswami

Hi Ramaswami ,
Is real sad hear about your health problems , myself suffer some of this problems last year when i conducted some tests in one of the devices i made . Not only me affected but all people in the building where i  run the device . I'm almost full recover , but yes several months to recover from , permanently Migraines, intestine problems, problems to walk and even tumor .  I able to measure high values of radiation (about 300µSv)
from this device and seems this radiation could not be blocked even by normal shielding like aluminum foil , high freq mesh , wood etc.
The important is that you should know that i able to recover my healthy by balance again the Electrolyte of body  with Pink Malaysian Salt .
I'm healthy again , and i stop work in that device in particular . Maybe you could give a try ;) even if you are a skeptic about this theme .
I see many many people play with fire, without know the real dangers beside in some type of experiments.  I just could figure out that you deal in your system with low freq coils Hz when you get sick , and when i refer to low freq i include even higher freq in range of kz caused by harmonics when coils collapsing because the secret is how strong you punch this coils.
You problem for sure is a problem of unbalanced ions in your body  . You could give a try to recover your condition .

About  innovo machine i wonder why no one ask the reason to the unity use a bank of batteries 36v 40A inside the machine , and when you sign the contract to buy the machine you must agree not open the device under 5 years . That machine after start working  capture static electricity that is used to recharge the batteries again ,  and that is very nice but need have the batteries to store what is collected or  ... in Supercaps ;)

Hope your health change fast .

Compliments

Nelson Rocha


Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: memoryman on March 16, 2017, 02:56:31 PM
Did you ever calculate how little energy in electrostatic form can be collected? It's in the Wh range, not kWh.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 16, 2017, 03:00:30 PM
Just in case someone wants to replicate the rotating disk with ten Leyden jars on it.

http://www.ball-tech.com/index.php?article_id=20

https://www.kugelpompel.at/de/online-shop/metall-design/halbschalen/half-hollow-balls/messinghalbschalen-roh/
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: NRamaswami on March 16, 2017, 03:14:56 PM
I am grateful for the kind words and please pm me on the ion balancing method and I will check it.

Regarding what caused the health problem I think it is lack of magnetic shielding coupled with high intensity magnetic field conditions. Shielding was attempted and then avoided due to high heat it caused. We did not encounter any problem to others except me who remained near the tested devices. Highly intense magnetic field could be felt up to four to six feet away from the large  electromagnets and not shielding them caused the problems. We did not have any equipment nor do we think we had radiation problems. No problem to neighbours. Low frequency high intensity magnetic field conditions caused problems. I have not maintained records of various experiments I conducted. Neither in paper nor in computer. But I remember that AC had problems of merging of voltage unless many conditions are met and pulsed dc had problems of high current drawn at source at higher voltages which wires could not handle. But I have not desired to remember all those things that caused me problems of health and so I had forgotten the exact details.

No idea on how the innovo machine construction. I have heard from a source I trust thats real. Nothing more. I have no specific information.

Regards

Ramaswami
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on March 16, 2017, 03:26:33 PM
These white spots is COPPER WIRE SUBMERSED WITH 90% CAUSTIC SODA AND 10 POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE or only CAUSTIC SODA ?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: gotoluc on March 16, 2017, 04:25:13 PM
These white spots is COPPER WIRE SUBMERSED WITH 90% CAUSTIC SODA AND 10 POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE or only CAUSTIC SODA ?

What will this combination do or create?

Luc
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: r2fpl on March 16, 2017, 05:13:58 PM
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What will this combination do or create?

Perhaps dip copper wire coil in caustic soda. This is only a possibility.

Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: nelsonrochaa on March 16, 2017, 11:07:41 PM
Did you ever calculate how little energy in electrostatic form can be collected? It's in the Wh range, not kWh.

The question should not be how little energy in electrostatic form can be collected ,and converted
 into useful work .The electrostatic energy could be created With a specific objective to avoid some limitations of normal electric current :) to produce
a special event in the system , maybe ....

greetings
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: forest on March 17, 2017, 07:34:25 AM
nelson


Electrostatic produced by beta-radiation ?
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 17, 2017, 10:45:14 AM
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to produce
a special event in the system , maybe ....

Heavy distortion/warping of the Aether so it can release its energy into the system? Maybe.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: nelsonrochaa on March 17, 2017, 12:04:54 PM
nelson


Electrostatic produced by beta-radiation ?

Hi Forest ,  i will put a video link that is not mine but maybe can answer your question or even make you think more deeply in that point that you talk.

The test video is from TeslaSpot 101 channel ( Thanks TeslaSpot 101 by your work )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTYeyjUZYB8&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0f3NV_OohQ


cheers
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: Meta on March 17, 2017, 08:45:30 PM
/#msg501959]Quote from: r2fpl on March 16, 2017, 03:26:33 PM[/url]<blockquote>These white spots is COPPER WIRE SUBMERSED WITH 90% CAUSTIC SODA AND 10 POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE or only CAUSTIC SODA ?
</blockquote>
What will this combination do or create?

Luc 
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This contamination of the wire is called Doping the wire and it permits the Hole Theory of electricity to operate...essentially the negative electrons flow around the wire from positive to negative, ie, cold electricity. Keshe uses this doping technique.
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 19, 2017, 06:37:36 PM
Okay, back to Ontopic posts...

A member of this forum did send me this email and did not want to be mentioned...
and as InnovaTehno did not contact me again with any excuse, why they did not ship the
ordered device to me, it looks rather like a scam...as they now want money in advance and
I highly recommend not to pay anything in advance...

Now also Gaia has posted that they want to work together with Innova and that puts red flags also on it,
as we still know them from the Faked AUKW KPP story...where many users lost all their money...
https://gaia-energy.org/unser-treffen-mit-innovatehno-in-kroatien/ (https://gaia-energy.org/unser-treffen-mit-innovatehno-in-kroatien/)

Here is the email:
after 1 month of trying to meet and contact inovatehno my friend from croatia finaly met them and this is what he wrote after meeting with them:)

First, they drived as around zagreb for 1 hour
FIrst address (from website)
Second address
Arrived there, bussiness zone, lot of small companies, no sign of innova
we called again, someone shady opened door... asking how can he help, we told that were looking for innova and have apotintment
He almost throw us out why we didnt ask him that nicely
 
he apparently was some kind mafia style security


 When we entered some kind of office he went somewhere
  Only one blonde older women accepted us
 office 2-3 metters with some big box, their first product probably
  wooden frame
  there were around only empty rooms around place where we were
  no sign that we were at innova
  she said they moved 2 weeks ago
  ok i know that
 She didnt tell any technical world from hers mouth in 30 minutes, and said she have new meeting and we must go
 No any kind of presentation or anything
 i saw PCB of product, its 2x VFD driver
  They are using AC DC AC techique
 Said they are starting production in Australia, CZ, ukrain, cro, Canada
  Investement arrived and nothing else
  i said i have investor from CH, he have oped hands to invest up to 14 mil euro
  whats true, she wasnt interested at all
 Just saying send mail, with questions we will try to help and make it happen
  Never seen fucked up company like this
 if tesla started like this, there wouldnt be any future
 Real working prototype should be ready in around 3 months, who knows
ME: so they showed u something or nothing?
  Nothing, in room was only wooden frame with first prototype i guess, probably that one from video
  some lamps on it, 2x VFD drivers
  1 controler board from 1990year , with pic i think
  1 layer board
  she didnt know how to start it, she fucked out my question
  i couldnt make picture, she didnt allow
 of that unit
 this is not way making bussines
  1 man company or 10 man company, whatever
  from my experience, what usually happens in croatia
  they take money and vanish


if this is office i am retard
2 story building
this is office with proto on left upper side
with bars
inside everything empty
this looks like "rent a fake office"
if you had 1 million of investement, will u rent something like this
everything shady about it
i will send 1 email from protonmail
with bait, that i have all their conv and emails and i will tell world what are they doing
will se what they will say


if they start arguing with me, its fake
if nobody answers maybe there is something about it
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: penno64 on March 19, 2017, 10:07:46 PM
I posted back at xmas in live streaming thread -

Its a qmogen in fancy dress!

Merry Xmas

Regards
Title: Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 20, 2017, 08:57:39 PM
I am now open to the possibility that if somebody has a legitimate free energy device that has no visible wires, impossible to explain energy density, perhaps legitimate device

Investor will still not see return on investment.

The mafia theory is certainly possible, it is even easier to scam with real technology.

I think this would be very efficient to thin down and wear out the rich or modestly rich opposition.