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Author Topic: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?  (Read 45071 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2017, 01:29:53 AM »
Stefan, it's because this 'belief' you and many others have WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE, that there is even the slightest chance this may be true, that allows scammers like this to be rewarded. If you really want to throw your money away, do it to a worthy cause.

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Re: Free Energy Device Live Streaming Demo Event 2nd of November 2016
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2017, 03:31:47 AM »
No personal experience. There have been numerous scams on 'free energy' and 'OU' devices and the scammers do not want to be exposed.


Hi Memoryman


I have had first hand experience many times with angry scammers once they realized they would be exposed. Here are a few examples:
1. In Australia I had my family including my young daughters threatened
2. In the USA I narrowly escaped an assault with an crowbar wielding crazed inventor
3. Also in the USA I was rushed out of my hotel once and sent to a safe location as a gunman was on his way to shoot me.
4. In South Africa I was threatened with prison
5. Publicly everyone has seen over the years the attempted character assignations of me, many still go on. Many of those people in the past have disappeared, or are in jail.
6. Finally the endless threat of lawsuits, still waiting.

I have to exercise care and have turned down invites into some countries like Pakistan, I would also exercise care dealing with any European Eastern Block Country unless it is a reputable scientist or company.
 
I really should write a book one day about these crazy free energy adventures. Some very funny stories of how some scammers managed to make their escape from the investors once they were exposed.

The vast majority of people are good people and many are thankful when we point out how they mis- measured something or the guidance I and my engineer friends give them.

This latest one has some of the usual red flags.

1. Cancelled appointments
2. Non delivery
3. Contact difficulties
4. No independent or peer reviewed evidence

Kind Regards
Mark 


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2017, 03:40:29 AM »
I fail to see how anybody has been scammed. It clearly states on their website:

"The conditions of the free trial:

30 days for free trial, if you are not satisfied and have been using it for 15 days, we will come and pick up the generator back for free.
If you use it for 16-30 days then you will pay for the return shipping a symbolic amount so we get compensated at least a little bit. Because there are a lot of mean people out there, and they can just start ordering for fun.
How to pay:

You can pay during or after the trial period ends"

I think the more likely scenario is they have been stopped by the authorities. This seems to be the case worldwide. For example:

Some years ago two Cairns (Australia) inventors (Lou Brits and John Christie) developed an electrical generator they called the Lutec 1000 free energy machine. It was tested by SGS the world's leading inspection, verification, testing and certification company. A copy of that report was on the internet however it seems to have been removed (funny that). I did manage to find a copy embedded in a pdf file here: http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf. They did indeed find that it produced more energy than it consumed. In fact 10 times the energy that it consumed. After the report was made public nothing more has been heard of Lutec. Here's a video that was filmed by one of the TV channels at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Gt_Zh9yMM.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2017, 03:50:47 AM »
Hi Tond
The Lutec device was around for many years after that report. Unfortunately they never produced a working device that could be independently tested or validated. Other parties replicated it (with permission) and failed.


Normally the authorities step in when it is a know scam to stop potential investors being ripped of. Like in the case of Mike Brady and his magnetic motor.


Governments around the world welcome energy devices. If people were being stopped why is Elon Musk so successful ? Not only does he make electric cars but the solar panels as well.


The Arabian Oil interests and many governments are investing billions into solar, wind and other commercially viable energy technologies. Over 100 billion a year is being invested into energy storage research and developments.


So the argument that people are being stopped is quite frankly bullshit. The opposite is happening. A 1 billion dollar fund was recently established by some of the wealthiest people in the world searching for alternative and free energy.


Kind Regards
Mark


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2017, 04:28:26 AM »
Governments are paying lip service to alternative energy sources. Everybody knows that wind solar etc will never replace fossil fuels (coal , oil and gas). The wind doesn't blow continuously. The sun doesn't shine continuously. Good luck driving a solar powered vehicle from a to b. If you get a few rainy days - that's it. They will always remain an alternative means of energy generation. Look what has happened to South Australia where there has been an over reliance placed on so called "green energy". Coal remains the main source of base load power.
How successful is Elton Musk? His cars are out of the price range of the majority of people and therefore offer little opposition to the main car manufacturers. Same goes for the powercell - too expensive to justify the installation. As I understand it his vehicles run on batteries which still need to be charged anyway - Not really what Lutec was offering.

When you say Lutec never produced a working device that could be independently tested. How did SGS test it? I very much doubt they would have written that report if they weren't physically able to witness the machine in operation. 

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2017, 04:28:26 AM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2017, 04:43:10 AM »
Hi TomD
1. In South Australia the issue was with the power distribution grid, the larger towers holding the lines blew over. The micro grids being installed now with battery packs will assist in over coming these issues.
2. The large Port Augusta cola fired power station will be decommissioned in the next 2 years. The natural gas power stations will still operate. In fact during certain days last year South Australia was 100% powered by solar and wind and the excess from the gas turbines were sold to Victoria.
3. Over 20% of South Australian houses have solar (and save a lot of money ) and over 33% of there power is now renewable and growing fast. I agree storage is needed taht is why the uptake of batetries is set to tripple this year.


The real game changer of course is getting a cheap storage device,.


Electric cars do not have solar panels on them. The recharging stations do or the power to recharge them can be directed from solar or wind installations. Many car manufacturers like Tesla , GM are releasing affordable electric cars in a similar price range to normal combustion engines. As battery technologies improve the cost of an electric vehicle will be lower than the combustion engine counter part. Already in some countries electric cars have reach 20% of total car sales and expected to climb in most other countries in the next 5 years.


It is important to be factual when making statements, not relying on hearsay and half-truths. There is a mountain of information out there on these topics, reports and statistics.


It has been well established in many countries already that solar and wind power is cheaper than coal. China just announced the scrapping of over 100 partially completed or proposed coal fired power stations.


It is true grid storage costs need to come down, and once they do game over for the grid as we know it.


PS where are the SGS test results?????????


Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2017, 04:59:29 AM »
The only copy of the SGS report I could find which is still available on the internet is embedded in this document: http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf.

Start reading at page 8.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2017, 05:24:22 AM »
The only copy of the SGS report I could find which is still available on the internet is embedded in this document: http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/images/3_Beispiel-Gerxte.pdf.

Start reading at page 8.
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Thanks for that.
SGS did not test it running for overunity, they just confirmed the instruments used were working correctly.


I recall once when going to Africa to test a magnetic motor TUV had authenticated it. (23 page report) That was up until we found the hidden wire powering it lol) Sometime engineers and scintists need to have a little experience in these matters as they are not use to dealing with the con artists


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Mark

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2017, 05:33:59 AM »
They may not have tested for overunity. But that's what the test results are saying.

Your experience in South Africa doesn't automatically put all free energy technologies in the same basket.

In the case of InnovaTechno they were/are offering a trial period of 30 days before any payment is required. Why would they do that if their intention was to scam money?

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2017, 05:47:39 AM »
Hi again
I look forward to your analysis of the test results. test results that are not independently tested or have not been peer reviewed.


I totally agree with you about my experience in South Africa should taint or be generalized to other testing. I was just pointing out caution needs to be exercised. Having reviewed hundreds of claims over many years you would be surprised by the extent some people will go to to decieve.


However the vast majority are honest people and just have measured something wrong or mis-interpreted the data. There are many good people (a lot are my friends) researching this area.


In this case it does not appear to be a financial scam on the surface, I have seen many people fake things just for their 10 minutes of fame. Their have been many famous examples of that over the years, some recorded in these very pages (look up Mylow). I am still figuring out what motivates these people.


The scam itself or sting may occur latter , I have seen cases like these before every thing is free, then the call comes requesting some money for whatever reason. One of the biggest was the mggmotor out of Canada. People paid their deposits over 6 years ago never receiving anything. Just look back to the last two years at the Gaia gravity,buoyancy claims and the people who paid in full or a large deposit and still have not received deleivery.


I support research and many of the people working in this field, but given the track record of free energy claims and to date I am not aware (apart from LENR) of any devices that have past independent testing or been able to be commercialized. I am always hoping and wanting to be corrected or proved wrong.


Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2017, 01:18:30 AM »
Well, as they still did not contact me and did not send any excuse email or anything at all,
well I will release more info now...


Then they told me, that they are just using a generator, that is modified in a special way which has no back drag, so it violates Lenz
law.. This is where the power is coming from...


Regards, Stefan.
Unfortunately it sounds like a scam right here.  You can't push something that does work , like electrons , water, marbles,air etc.  Without expecting a push back.  A generator is an electron pump, nobody expects a water pump not to give a back resistance  and the same reasoning electrons forced around a circuit push back, which is a good thing , for if they didn't they would just sit there and generators would not exist.Hope you can get some money back.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #86 on: February 15, 2017, 01:44:48 AM »
Unfortunately it sounds like a scam right here.  You can't push something that does work , like electrons , water, marbles,air etc.  Without expecting a push back.  A generator is an electron pump, nobody expects a water pump not to give a back resistance  and the same reasoning electrons forced around a circuit push back, which is a good thing , for if they didn't they would just sit there and generators would not exist.Hope you can get some money back.
I don't believe Stefan parted with any Money.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2017, 10:17:41 AM »
I don't believe Stefan parted with any Money.

No there was no money yet involved.
I ordered the unit for the 30 day test and if it would have worked okay for the 30 days I would have bought it then...

So we can not say, that it was a scam, because nobody was hurt yet moneywise...
They just promised the "heaven" and did not deliver it, that´s it, so I just call it a fake...
I wonder, why they did this ?
Either somebody has stopped them delivering the products or it was just a big bluff
to maybe hurt the Free Energy Scene and only collect potential adresses ??

Also I looked up via streetview their real adress here:
https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ka47r3Gvm
maybe they just own such a small shop there in this building or it is just an adress from a flat there...

So until now , no email from them to me...
Did anybody else got an email from them after the 9th of February ??

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #88 on: February 15, 2017, 10:29:45 AM »
Hi Stefan
I agree while no money is involved its not a scam.
However we have no idea why people make claims..remember Mylow
Thanks for trying anyway
Kind Regards
Mark


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2017, 03:55:15 PM »
Stephan, just because YOU didn't hand over money, does not mean nobody did. This may be a front for a sting operation. No matter the money angle, it still will not make energy.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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