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Author Topic: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?  (Read 34434 times)

Offline Scorch

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #225 on: March 08, 2017, 06:10:54 PM »
Yes. I agree. I was thinking this shortly after I discovered this thread was here to discuss tne IPP7.4 device and this what I came for.
I came here to try to learn more about the device only to discover the same old parrots singing the same old song.  :(

I discovered all kinds of negativity and distractions here that are misdirecting us and taking this off topic whenever a glimmer of truth is apparent such as a resonance and dual currents are the key.

I came to learn about the new device.
I learned something entirely different which is parallel to my previous experiences and that of others.

http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424367/#msg424367

Others have experienced this here.
I have experienced this here.
And now I discovered another founder of another thread has also experienced these very same distractions and misdirections.

I have learned all I can here but it's not what I came here to learn.

Kind of an interesting path though. It has led me to others who actually are explaining these things in a common sense, logical manner that I and others can actually comprehend so; THANK YOU for this minor distraction which has now led me down a new path ELSEWHERE.  ;D

I will seek enlightenment elsewhere and good luck with all this.

Kindest regards;

}:>
 
Am I the only one thinking that this thread has gone far too offtopic?

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Offline memoryman

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #226 on: March 08, 2017, 06:14:25 PM »
Scorch, you never know where inspiration comes from...
The Thorium battery holds interest for me, as I tried that myself several years ago. Would like the quoted papers...


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #227 on: March 08, 2017, 06:24:24 PM »
And the good news is there will be much more organized experiments coming here
with moderation for off topic nonsense ,and misdirection .

and all will be open to discussion and evaluation by members here.

experiment ,measurement and claim ... ..good or bad it is the only way to move forward .

and all should be open source ,that is what makes Stefan's forum so good.
and keeps members here from wasting time.

there are some amazing resources in this OPEN SOURCE community .

respectfully
Chet K
ps
here is one example which will be looked at here [on Topic of Scorch post above]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezXx-Hzj3tc




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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #228 on: March 08, 2017, 07:16:50 PM »
Sorry Chet; that device fails, as do all similar devices. A force without displacement is not power.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #229 on: March 08, 2017, 07:39:15 PM »
well
it involves more than what meets the eye
and your input will be greatly appreciated when the topic starts.

respectfully
Chet K
PS

 @memoryman
I see your link below ,to say that this is possible [my you tube link above]
is indeed madness..
things like this always are ....."antigravity" inertia drives etc etc

if we do indeed figure a method to Take from the dipole or develop a potential at no cost [trick nature]
??
 perhaps electrostatic at first ??
nothing ventured nothing gained...
it will be a potpourri of ideas ,not just  that link above which uses a magnetic fluid [proprietary] 
and other special attributes.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #229 on: March 08, 2017, 07:39:15 PM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #231 on: March 08, 2017, 08:34:11 PM »
I do not understand what are scalar waves and transverse waves. I think transverse waves are normal electromagnetic radiation of transformers and induction coils. But leaving aside the complicated explanation what is stated is factually observed to be correct by me in my experience. I do not know how to use simulation and I have done actual experiments. As member Scorch indicated this place is increasingly an abusive place for people who dare to share. I posted majority of what I did freely and then gave up.

Due to poor health and finances I no longer do any experiments which I think are waste of time money effort and energy. But the complicated explanation below is actually correct but my idea of it is simple. I ist though admit that I do not know what are scalar waves? Do they produce the cold electricity? I have no experience in that area.

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Ramaswami


Here I'm explaining, how the overunity arises from anapole field. For to achieve the anapole field, multiple conditions must be fulfilled, one of them is the resonance of scalar waves. This is because we need to modulate light speed faster, than the EM wave propagates itself. It's not so impossible as it looks at the first sight, because within materials of high permeability and/or permeability the speed of EM wave propagation is much lower than the speed of light in vacuum. The extreme case is the boson condensate, where the EM waves propagate with speed of few meters per second, so we can modulate their speed in mechanical way.

Being (mostly) longitudinal waves of vacuum, the scalar waves are doing most of things exactly in the opposite way than the transverse EM waves. For example the EM waves get radiated, when the EM field is changing its polarity, whereas the scalar waves get radiated only, when it's changing its intensity, i.e. during pulses and transient phenomena within material in (negative) dependence of field density to energy density. The EM waves get absorbed / radiated well with materials where the electrons can move freely, i.e. the metals. The scalar waves are absorbed / radiated just with materials and systems, where these electrons get immobilized (Dirac/Weyl/Majorana fermion materials), i.e. the superconductors, topological insulators and graphene, charged capacitors of ferromagnets in anapole arrangement. These materials get transparent for light waves instead. And so on...

There is less known but intriguing aspect of transverse waves, they cannot be radiated with spherical antennae.  As you may expect (and Konstantin Meyl demonstrated), the scalar waves just love spherical antennae instead. And their resonators would be therefore formed just with concentric spheres or their likes (bi-conical coils of Tesla and/or cylindrical capacitors similar to Leyden jars).

But as I explained above, the scalar waves fu*k metal conductors in general and they respect electrons only once they're immobilized with strong electric field. From this follows, that scalar wave resonator must be formed with CHARGED concentric capacitor, or better to say, with field gradient at its plates. From this insight follows the concept of captret, i.e. the capacitor stack formed with system of nested charged spheres, which are separated with voltage gradient each other. The usage of such a configuration in InnovaTehno or Testatika devices has therefore its good theoretical meaning in the same way, like the Wehrsen / Wimshurst's disks, which keep them charged.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #232 on: March 09, 2017, 11:50:28 PM »
I do not understand what are scalar waves and transverse waves. I think transverse waves are normal electromagnetic radiation of transformers and induction coils.
That's correct. The transverse waves are radiated when the charged body changes its location, for example the electrons moving along dipole antenna back and forth.

But the vacuum is elastic like the sponge and the longitudinal i.e. scalar waves should be also radiated, when the charged body changes its size periodically, while sitting at place. They were observed first with Nicola Tesla like the needle like sensation and another effects. The relation of scalar waves and light is similar, like the relationship of surface ripples and underwater sound waves at the water surface: the scalar waves form directional beams and they propagate superluminaly. They're manifest itself like the area of contracted time, increased vacuum fluctuations (warp field) and electric noise instead of coherent radiation and they represent a substantial part of dark matter. This is also the way, in which they can be detected, for example with scalar bubble diode, superconductive SQUIDs and/or similar magnetic noise based detectors.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #233 on: March 11, 2017, 12:53:16 AM »
Thanks for your reply. It appears you are quoting from books.

Secondly  your post implies that it is not possible to obtain co>1 using transverse waves and we need scalar waves to be brought in for this. My experience was different than what you have written.  Observations are correct to a certain extent of what you have written.

Effectively what you have written is that energy flowing between the opposite poles of two permanent magnets kept at a distance by force or objects is scalar waves. But this is different from the scope of this thread. If you have full information on how to replicate Tesla experiments or even part of it Please pm me. I will do them some time in future.

I also find it amusing that space us empty. It is full of very tiny particles with very low mass and having great energy and moving at great speed and force but we do not have instruments to detect them. So they are called black matter. I think they ae also called cosmic rays.

Using shapes it is possible to obtain cop>1 with transverse waves alone. But everyone who do these experiments become very sick and finances collapse for them. Same is the case with me. So I stopped.

Please pm me with scalar waves das if you have and I will check if Destiny permits.

Respectfully

Ramaswami

That's correct. The transverse waves are radiated when the charged body changes its location, for example the electrons moving along dipole antenna back and forth.

But the vacuum is elastic like the sponge and the longitudinal i.e. scalar waves should be also radiated, when the charged body changes its size periodically, while sitting at place. They were observed first with Nicola Tesla like the needle like sensation and another effects. The relation of scalar waves and light is similar, like the relationship of surface ripples and underwater sound waves at the water surface: the scalar waves form directional beams and they propagate superluminaly. They're manifest itself like the area of contracted time, increased vacuum fluctuations (warp field) and electric noise instead of coherent radiation and they represent a substantial part of dark matter. This is also the way, in which they can be detected, for example with scalar bubble diode, superconductive SQUIDs and/or similar magnetic noise based detectors.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #234 on: March 11, 2017, 01:57:14 PM »
Time for books is over zephir.

If you really know something useful it's time to show your
Electronic circuit, or electromechanical device.

If a particular invention interests you, Wich invention do you speak and what concrete steps have you made to uncover
Working method of said invention. Please show us your work , it does not need to be impressive or overunity but if you really believe and understand you must show something of educational value.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #235 on: March 11, 2017, 05:51:45 PM »
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Time for books is over zephir. If you really know something useful it's time to show your Electronic circuit, or electromechanical device.
You know, I'm not particular fan of abstract theoretical physics, but in this thread we are discussing the function of device, which we actually don't understand. We are restricted to theories only under current situation - even if I could show some working overunity device, you still wouldn't sure, it really corresponds the InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #236 on: March 11, 2017, 10:18:09 PM »
Zephir:

Your "theories" look like pseudoscience talk to me.  InnovaTehno.eu looks like a total fake.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #237 on: March 12, 2017, 12:50:46 AM »
OK, which overunity device looks real for you after then?

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #238 on: March 12, 2017, 01:43:43 AM »
Thats your job Zephir.

Its you who is litterate in these theories.

Now, as any university student who goes into real world, time to put theory into practice.

I dont know... Think of something, implement... A real device, real components.

If you cannot do nothing with those theories would you say they ae useful to learn?

Are those authors giving you concrete advice on how to build something or you have no idea what is going on.

Or do you have a small idea, but are not quite there yet... How much more years of study will it take?



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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #239 on: March 12, 2017, 10:16:22 AM »
OK, which overunity device looks real for you after then?

Completely agree!
No device can be analyzed only by images, and opinions of people when they do not even know the mode of operation of this particular system, but .... for some just see a video to start judging :) even without knowing what is going on , So I agree with your opinion;
Which override device looks real for some guys?
Some things never change ...


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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