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Author Topic: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?  (Read 34429 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #195 on: March 06, 2017, 12:30:12 PM »
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About the Thestatikas:
Yes, they do not use the machines to power their homes. They use power from the grid and have some wind and solar power.

How do you know? Did you visit them?

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1) It was a Scam all along to get more people. But actually some points speak against this.

Get people for what?

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2) Energy was generated, but it was in the beginning not known from where, and in the end was just a galvanic reaction.

A galvanic reaction that produced 1KW for hours?

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Remember how Baumann clearly explained, that it only worked with two different metals being used. He also explained that there are many many metal layers in the big pots.

Could be distraction. Could be he made-up something just to answer pushy questions.

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3) It did get some energy "from the air", like Baumann explained. If it was from atmospheric electricity (similar to Plauson), this principle cannot be scaled up and is therefore practically and economically not a solution.

This is illogical. Build ten small 1KW machines and you will get 10KW instead of 1KW.

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When they realized this they stopped. They themselves said, the bigger machines did not perform as expected.

They stopped building bigger machines because the smaller ones were working good enough for their needs?

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Meanwhile, here's a little photo of one of my Bonetti machines, making 20+ cm sparks. And this _can_ be reproduced, by anyone who actually pays attention to the details I have given elsewhere:

Then the question is, how much voltage is needed to get the power amplification effect in the condensers? Maybe it is not the high voltage but pulsing high voltage in combination of special designed Leyden jars? There must be a good reason for the metallic sectors on the Testatika disks, because a sectorless Bonetti machine would be far more easier to build.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #196 on: March 06, 2017, 03:38:21 PM »
Zeitmaschine:
capacitors/condensers do NOT amplify power or energy. Neither do gears, pulleys, flywheels. NOTHING does. You ca change energy but not generate it.
Static electricity has a very low volumetric energy density; hence large machines are not practical.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #197 on: March 06, 2017, 03:50:42 PM »
Harold Aspden states otherwise. Not my fault. :)

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #198 on: March 06, 2017, 04:26:46 PM »
Interesting how you get 'fault' into the discussion. Fault implies some form/quantity of morality.
Just because someone makes a claim does not make it true.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #199 on: March 06, 2017, 05:04:42 PM »
Harold Aspden states otherwise. Not my fault. :)

You do not even comprehend what Harold Aspden meant, you do not know how to implement his findings.

This thread can be resumed by the simple words: "I want to believe".

People here are in a bad state of mind, bad people, unproductive in life, undriven, confused. They lie to themselves that they understand complex phenomenon of why and how a device should work (even if the device is 100% fraud). They hang onto false hope, if you take away their hope by pointing out weakness in the story they react violently.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #199 on: March 06, 2017, 05:04:42 PM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #200 on: March 06, 2017, 06:23:52 PM »
I recently discovered some very interesting testimony from Rick regarding his history with Bedini.

In my arrogance I had always believed Rick was merely an apprentice following John and learning from him.
Rick always seemed to be a little hesitant and unsure in his mannerism then he eventually disappeared from Bedini stuff and I had assumed that Bedini had simply replaced him with somebody else BUT, as it turns out; Rick may actually be the student who had surpassed the teacher in many ways.  :o

I just (last night) viewed these two "behind the scenes" videos from Rick and some of you may already be aware of these:

Why John Bedini and Rick Friedrich Parted Ways-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DJ-QH3h-xo

Bedini Tesla Switch, What's wrong with it? It KILLS Batteries!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1FyajzU3So

I knew the SSG was merely a "proof of concept" experiment and wasn't long before I started asking: "Why isn't John ever providing much beyond all these similar "proof of concept" devices?
In the Energy From the Vacuum series there are many hints about different things that can be tried but he never actually brought it all together to say: "Build this whole system based on all these obscure ideas I trickled out and/or contradicted over the years."

And now Rick has confirmed suspicions I had for many years that yes indeed; john was actually purposely withholding information . . .  ::)

And beyond that past history, it appears Rick intends to move well beyond John by offering new things to consider including "go back to the original invention and study that instead of Johns adulterated version of it".  :)

Just food for thought.

Kindest regards;

}:>

If you go on energetic forum there is a goodbye letter from Linderman.  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20673-thank-you-farewell.html
He talks as if he achieved so much in the OU field before retirement. Excuse me Peter, but what exactly have you given us. Same for Bedini. An OU god apparently but again where is the OU exactly? Why are these guys Gods?
Anyways, there are honest researchers out there.. Thankfully.

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Video of test on platform in lake
« Reply #201 on: March 06, 2017, 06:56:40 PM »
Device running lights, heater and fan on platform in lake for 25+ minutes: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYkYVQnXHE0

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Video of test on platform in lake
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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #202 on: March 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM »
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You do not even comprehend what Harold Aspden meant, you do not know how to implement his findings.

True. Otherwise I would not still have to do research on the correct configuration of the condensers. Would be nice if someone could explain to me in detail what Aspden meant.

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Re: Video of test on platform in lake
« Reply #203 on: March 06, 2017, 08:42:04 PM »

This is also an interesting video BUT the lake can easily conceal a cable connected under the raft. ???

A demonstration similar to the one in this video would be a lot more interesting in which innovatehno could actually video document the system being lifted off the floor to prove there is no concealed wire through the floor then; proceed to start up system and video for an extend period of time as a single shot video from inspection, to start up to extended operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAseG7z_GQo

In my mind this is the ONLY question right now. Is there a concealed connection up through the tile floor?

Innovatehno REALLY needs to demonstrate this is truly a PORTABLE, self contained system that could be transported and operated in a vehicle.

Not concerned about other discrepancies right now such as a loose wire after shut down which may be simply for safety reason to discharge and ground what appears to be leydon jar condensers while visitors are inspecting and touching things. And current communications failures could be for any number of reasons. So; time will tell.  8)

Not everything is as it appears. Here is another very similar demonstration BUT there is possible concealed connection behind board leaning against wall and also appears his building lights actually dim when he starts the system which is allegedly self starting from a battery and inverter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1bEOigvjlk


Kindest regards;

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Device running lights, heater and fan on platform in lake for 25+ minutes: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYkYVQnXHE0
« Last Edit: March 07, 2017, 03:51:53 AM by Scorch »

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #204 on: March 06, 2017, 11:52:39 PM »
True. Otherwise I would not still have to do research on the correct configuration of the condensers. Would be nice if someone could explain to me in detail what Aspden meant.
Yes pls to me too :)

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #204 on: March 06, 2017, 11:52:39 PM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #205 on: March 07, 2017, 12:05:30 AM »
This thread can be resumed by the simple words: "I want to believe".
What's wrong with that?
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People here are in a bad state of mind, bad people, unproductive in life, undriven, confused...
Wow, you're maybe right, i'm in a bad state of mind (just had some vine), does that make me a bad one?(nope just a sleepy one) unproductive ?(yes if too much ...) undriven and confused? (again if it's too much :) )
But hey , i really want to believe, i love to dream about "what if?" but that does not make me a believer.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #206 on: March 07, 2017, 12:31:39 AM »
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Where does all that energy come from? The earth and layers of atmosphere are a spherical capacitor that is constantly replenished to the point that when storms "bridge the gap" discharges will occur. A leyden jar with a dimpled hemispherical jacket may actually collect a charge when accelerated through the air on a spinning disc much like a van de graaf generator does".

Here I'm explaining, how the overunity arises from anapole field. For to achieve the anapole field, multiple conditions must be fulfilled, one of them is the resonance of scalar waves. This is because we need to modulate light speed faster, than the EM wave propagates itself. It's not so impossible as it looks at the first sight, because within materials of high permeability and/or permeability the speed of EM wave propagation is much lower than the speed of light in vacuum. The extreme case is the boson condensate, where the EM waves propagate with speed of few meters per second, so we can modulate their speed in mechanical way.

Being (mostly) longitudinal waves of vacuum, the scalar waves are doing most of things exactly in the opposite way than the transverse EM waves. For example the EM waves get radiated, when the EM field is changing its polarity, whereas the scalar waves get radiated only, when it's changing its intensity, i.e. during pulses and transient phenomena within material in (negative) dependence of field density to energy density. The EM waves get absorbed / radiated well with materials where the electrons can move freely, i.e. the metals. The scalar waves are absorbed / radiated just with materials and systems, where these electrons get immobilized (Dirac/Weyl/Majorana fermion materials), i.e. the superconductors, topological insulators and graphene, charged capacitors of ferromagnets in anapole arrangement. These materials get transparent for light waves instead. And so on...

There is less known but intriguing aspect of transverse waves, they cannot be radiated with spherical antennae.  As you may expect (and Konstantin Meyl demonstrated), the scalar waves just love spherical antennae instead. And their resonators would be therefore formed just with concentric spheres or their likes (bi-conical coils of Tesla and/or cylindrical capacitors similar to Leyden jars).

But as I explained above, the scalar waves fu*k metal conductors in general and they respect electrons only once they're immobilized with strong electric field. From this follows, that scalar wave resonator must be formed with CHARGED concentric capacitor, or better to say, with field gradient at its plates. From this insight follows the concept of captret, i.e. the capacitor stack formed with system of nested charged spheres, which are separated with voltage gradient each other. The usage of such a configuration in InnovaTehno or Testatika devices has therefore its good theoretical meaning in the same way, like the Wehrsen / Wimshurst's disks, which keep them charged.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #207 on: March 07, 2017, 01:37:32 AM »
SCAM SCAM SCAM,


When their website was operational all you had to do was go read the fineprint of what must be agreed on to purchase one of these.  They claimed that they could carry out free delivery of the units because they had electric cars that were all powered by the OU unit   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OMG Serious?????!!!!!!   :o :o :o :o :o

That is just highly retarded and OVERCOMPENSATION LIES.

The consumer is expected to believe that not only do they have OU machines but now they suddenly also have a magical fleet of electrical cars running on said machines to deliver WORLDWIDE.  OMG.....so what about electric planes and boats to do international transfers and are we also expected to believe that the workers /drivers themselves also plug the electrical unit up their ASS and require no wages??    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)   Maybe they like it but they still need food to live

LOL

This is just laughable that anyone even now keep wondering whether it is real or scam.  It was evident from day 1 that it is a SCAM and there are so many other evidences also.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #208 on: March 07, 2017, 03:34:48 AM »
There is only 2 possibility.

1: Meternitha device is legitimate and Innova tehno is trying to give them, this device type, bad reputation.

2: Both Meternitha device and Innova tehno device are frauds.

No possibility for Innova Tehno to be real now, he has lied before, he will lie again.

They are bad people, bad people everywhere.


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #209 on: March 07, 2017, 07:56:24 AM »
@Zeitmaschine:

I'm sorry, but that would be IMHO way too offtopic to start discussing this in detail here. But it seems you didn't yet inform yourself much about the Testatika. I would strongly recommend you to visit the Testatika Yahoo group (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/testatika/). There is the best collection on information about it. If you still want to discuss your questions, I would recommend to post them again on a Testatika thread here, and I will readily answer there.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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