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Author Topic: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)  (Read 13119 times)

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2016, 10:52:44 AM »

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With 5 volts it should rise about 2 to 3 times the voltage of the 2.5v in the same amount of time.
I don't know if you have noticed yet but as you increase the voltage the frequency increases, I'm thinking that may be the reason the voltage climbs faster?  (And the added voltage)
Ex- 1.5V 10hz
      3V 13hz
      6V 18hz
(I'm just guessing the 3V and 6V since I don't have a oscope but you get the point)
What's odd about the frequency is if you try and up the frequency while at a specified voltage ex 1.5V 10hz to 1.5V 20Hz the voltage will drop instead of gain.


Hmmmm,  ok,   good to know again, as overnight, the 4x AA rechargeables dropped 2mV, so we are now at 5.092V.
I had it set at 12Hz like when at 2.5V, so i should/could try doubling the frequency to 24Hz or so.


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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2016, 03:34:50 PM »

Hmmmm,  ok,   good to know again, as overnight, the 4x AA rechargeables dropped 2mV, so we are now at 5.092V.
I had it set at 12Hz like when at 2.5V, so i should/could try doubling the frequency to 24Hz or so.


Itsu
If you keep the 1Mohm resistance the same and apply a higher voltage the frequency will increase on its own


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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2016, 03:52:10 PM »

Right,

from 12Hz @ 2.5V to 65Hz @ 5.092V.

I will let it run with this 65Hz @ 5.092V  for now.....


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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2016, 10:40:52 PM »
Voltage had dropped till 5.088V (4mV), so i have decreased the frequency till i saw the voltage rise again (battery recovery?).
That was around 17Hz, so i will leave it overnight this way (17Hz @ 5.089V).


There is a very narrow (100ns) pulse ontop of the battery voltage (5.089V) of around 800mV at every 17Hz pulse, which could (re)load the  batteries and thus partially compensate for the losses in the circuit, see screenshot.

Yellow is the battery voltage, blue the collector signal (end of the pulse).

 
Itsu


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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2016, 10:21:58 AM »

Not looking very promising, this morning the voltage was back to 5.088V.

I will try some other components like a tantalum capacitor to see if things can be turned around (bigger / wider pulse as mentioned above?).

Itsu

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2016, 10:21:58 AM »
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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2016, 07:23:32 PM »

I used severall (4) common mode chokes, from which only one produced a pulse train (6 pulses) instead of a single pulse every 12Hz (or how i set the potmeter), see screenshot.

I will keep this common mode choke for further testing.

Using different transistors then the 2n2222a like the MPSA18, BC337-40 or 2n1555 causes the pulse ontop of the 5V supply rail to lower or disappear, so i will keep the 2n2222a for now.

Itsu 

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2016, 11:12:45 PM »
If you can you should post a picture of the coil your using, since it has 5 pulses instead of one. Maybe more charge at a faster rate?
About your voltage drop on the battery.
It shouldnt be dropping, there must be something set wrong. Maybe the pots set wrong? If it comes to it I can send you the original circuit I made years ago.
I had a test going for 6 months and every day I logged the voltage of the battery, it never went down below the starting voltage. Sadly I have no idea where my paper went where I logged the results on.

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2016, 06:35:12 AM »
I used severall (4) common mode chokes, from which only one produced a pulse train (6 pulses) instead of a single pulse every 12Hz (or how i set the potmeter), see screenshot.

I will keep this common mode choke for further testing.

Using different transistors then the 2n2222a like the MPSA18, BC337-40 or 2n1555 causes the pulse ontop of the 5V supply rail to lower or disappear, so i will keep the 2n2222a for now.

Itsu
Like you said maybe that top pulse (400ns) has something to do with recharging the battery's since other similar transistors didn't work as well.
You frequency seems too high on ch2 seems too high at 1.7khz, were you getting decreased voltage at 1.7khz?
Mine is around 10hz but that's on 1.5v instead of 5v

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2016, 06:43:17 AM »
My results I got were all based off of 1.5VDC @ about 10hz. That's where I'm getting gaining voltage.
I'm probably sending a lot of mixed messages about the frequency, at least I feel like I am. Sorry about that.
You shouldn't adjust the frequency at all, just keep the resistance at 1M and vary the voltage.
Your voltage should no longer go down.

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2016, 11:24:38 AM »
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If you can you should post a picture of the coil your using, since it has 5 pulses instead of one.

see picture below, the 3 in the background are the others i have used which only produce a single pulse.

This morning the voltage was dropped to 5.085V.


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You frequency seems too high on ch2 seems too high at 1.7khz, were you getting decreased voltage at 1.7khz?

this 1.7Khz frequency is the frequency of the 6 pulses.  The repetition frequency of these pulses was still set with the potmeter to about 12Hz.


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I'm probably sending a lot of mixed messages about the frequency, at least I feel like I am. Sorry about that.

correct, but no problem, i will get it eventually   :D


I will go back to 1.5V (single rechargeable) and set the frequency at 10Hz using this last common mode choke.
I expect to receive a 470nF tantalum cap any day now which i will use.

The led used is still at the opposite direction as in your diagram!!

Thanks for the info,   regards Itsu

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2016, 08:58:09 PM »

It won't run on 1.5V (single AA), so i had to resort to 2x AA rechargeables again, meaning 2.544V.
Frequency is set at 25Hz..........

This lower voltage has caused the pulse train to dissappear, so we are back to a single pulse @ 25Hz.


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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2016, 10:58:10 PM »

The reason i put the frequency to 25Hz is because it is almost the double of 10Hz (where you started with 1.5V @ 10Hz) but more specific as at 25Hz the pulses kind of "locks in".
At somewhat lower or higher frequency is wobbles back and forth somewhat, but not at 25Hz.

So what is special of 25Hz?  Well its the half of 50Hz which is here in Europe the local grid frequency.

Putting the circuit to 50Hz even more stabilized the frequency of the circuit, so i think it kind of locks in to the 50Hz of the local grid.

Touching a 3th probe (purple) with my fingers shows there is a fair amount of 50Hz noise in my environment, see screenshot.

So how about your circuit, does it also locks in on the local grid frequency or a subharmonic of it?

Anyway, letting it run overnight at 50Hz presently at 2.544V.

Regards Itsu


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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2016, 10:24:11 AM »

Nope,  no free lunch from the local grid environment, battery voltage had dropped to 2.542V this morning......

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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2016, 04:51:01 AM »
Mine runs around 13hz like your did but mines @ 1.5v.
I didn't have any grid noise when I was actually able to borrow a oscope.
It didn't really "lock" into the grid for say or at least I didn't notice.

Back a couple years ago I ran the circuit in a microwave just to see iif the voltage would still continue to climb and it did... I can do it again in a video if you would like.
I will borrow another oscope on Monday and post the waveform, frequency, p to p, RMS and so on if I remember haha :)


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Re: LCAP (Again) Possible Free Energy. (Voltage Gain Over time)
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2016, 05:03:23 AM »

"The reason i put the frequency to 25Hz is because it is almost the double of 10Hz (where you started with 1.5V @ 10Hz) but more specific as at 25Hz the pulses kind of "locks in".
At somewhat lower or higher frequency is wobbles back and forth somewhat, but not at 25Hz."

Try just using a 1Mohm resistor instead of the pot. Then adjust your voltage. You should then see the same results as you started with. (The voltage gain)
I find that 1Mohm works the best at all voltages 0.5-35V

If you adjust the 1 Mohm pot any less then 1Mohm I have found you get voltage drain I probably should have mentioned that.

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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2016, 05:03:23 AM »

 

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