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FE in the news / new FE offer
« on: September 10, 2016, 02:23:04 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 04:57:06 AM »
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This model performed what Hicks was looking for and can, in fact, generate 110 VAC (Volts Alternating Current) – 220 VAC and can be pushed to 300-400 VAC. Two test cycles were performed where one 20 hour and 40 hour run came out with great results. The 20 hour run cycle produced a total of 348,000 watts, it only used 95,700 of those watts to recharge the system, which left 252,300 watts that could have been sold to a utility company. The 40 hour test cycle produced 696,000 watts, it took 150,480 watts to recharge the system and left 545,520 watts that could have been sold to a utility company.

Somebody doesn't know his watts from his .... whatevers.

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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2016, 11:27:18 AM »
I see that Hicks is also peswiki listed:
http://peswiki.com/directory:daniel-hicks-green-line-energy-qmogen


His system is quite involved. It has three sets that take turns. So, everything you see in the tent is part of the whole assembly. Each of the three sets includes the following components:
36-Volt battery array comprised of six 6-V deep cycle, lead-acid batteries in series each with 360 A-h capacity.
Three DC motors 3 HP each, which run on the 36-V supply.
A hydraulic system that is powered by the DC motors.
Two AC generators phased together, each capable of 2.9 KVA.
An AC-powered battery charger to recharge the batteries.
Only 21% of the power is all that is needed to loop back into the system to recharge the batteries.
According to my calculations, the gross power output is 5.8 kW. The battery charger consumes 1.2 kW, leaving 4.6 kW net for external power supply.
He runs each set for about 3-4 hours, careful not to let the batteries get below 50% of their capacity.
When the next set comes online, the 21% of power from one of the AG generators isn't looped back to its own batteries, but goes to recharge the batteries of the set that just ran.
He said the whole prototype, all of which is from off-the-shelf components, cost  :P  $20,000 USD. :P

20000 USD / 4,6 KW net =  :o   okay,the prototype  ::)  The commercial ready2use-set ? 4600 USD ? Less ? ;)   

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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2016, 11:36:07 AM »
http://www.energymev.org/english/
their second invention description(google)translated :
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fdescription%3FCC%3DES%26NR%3D1141381U%26KC%3DU%26FT%3DD%26ND%3D3%26date%3D20150714%26DB%3DEPODOC%26locale%3Den_EP&edit-text=


from their page:

In a modest prototype built from recycled electric motor of an old treadmill amazing results they were achieved.
Connecting the motor to a current of 72V and consuming 1A, that is, using 72W power the engine ran the main mechanical service offering in and out 147,6V and 1A, 147W that we use to power a light bulb.
 
The Motor MEV produced mechanical work while offering twice the power than it consumed.
 
Where does the extra energy? It is extracted from the magnetic power by computer configuration.


I think this is a great idea to demonstrate written concepts like :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110804&CC=US&NR=2011187319A1&KC=A1
a not only for battery charging,but also:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4
Electric motor efficiency is the measure of the ability of an electric motor to convert electrical energy to mechanical energy. An energy-efficient motor is a motor that gives the same mechanical output strength but uses less electrical energy input. To increase electric motor efficiency, the electric power consumption and motor losses must be reduced. Energy-efficient motors conserve electrical energy and may be used for a variety of uses, including within hybrid cars, to increase fuel-efficiency. Electrical motor power consumption efficiency (Efficiency) can be calculated by the following equation:Efficiency=(100%)*(Mechanical power output)/(Electrical power input).The present disclosure has evaluated numerous conventional motor-related circuits and identified new methods that realize power conservation that is approximately 150% to around 200% better than conventionally available motors.

There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage*current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the
power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input.


The tests do not provide figures for the true power consumption of the conventional motor and re-wound motor, but a comparison of the data between the two motors shows that the re-wound motor conserves more energy. For example, the Line PIN of the conventional motor on load is measured at 345 VA and the power output measured is at 373.75 VA, whereas the Line PIN of the re-wound motor on load is measured at 184 VA and the power output measured is at 361 VA. The data illustrates that much less energy is consumed to generate a similar mechanical power output in the re-wound motor.







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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2016, 12:08:06 PM »
FE in the news :
what happened with the R-Walker invention from Mexico ?
http://overunity.com/15764/r-walker-selfsustaining-free-energy-bike-from-mexico/30/#.V9PcmSmbJZ4


This here ,unimportant ?
http://www.zougla.gr/perivallon/article/energia-ap-to-nero
Electrophasmatic generator : DC input/ AC  output http://www.zougla.gr/image.ashx?fid=1811736
as pedelec AC drive range extender ?


or are Shkondins Ultramotor 200 miles range enough ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_xvqR5QxA

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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2016, 02:22:25 PM »
Hope tinman has a crack at this.

Just like his rt

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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2016, 02:31:50 PM »
What he has to say ? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J46dxOEv0
40 minutes ? someone can translate it for the audience ? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5z7_1m9p6g
                                              300%
tinman,rt ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPef4Q2jkg  reminds http://rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm
In practice, the primary D.C. motor windings are of fewer turns in the rotor slots than the secondary A.C. generator windings. For example the primary motor windings 10 are flat wound between north to south poles of the field while the secondary generator windings are flat wound in the same or common slots of the rotor armature. In a typical unit having a four brush commutator with 20 bars and having a 20 slot armature, the primary windings 10 are comprised of a number of turns of conductor to efficiently draw 48 volts D.C. at 25 amperes or 1200 Watts to rotate at 1750 RPM; while the secondary windings 11 are comprised of a number of turns of conductor to efficiently deliver 60 cycle (by transforming and generating) 110 volts A.C. at 32 amperes or 3520 Watts; the volt meter used to read these values upon an actual reduction to practice being calibrated to read the root-mean-square (rms) value of the pure sine wave, which is 70.7% of the peak voltage.

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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2016, 05:29:48 PM »

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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2016, 06:40:29 PM »
Pardon moi,tagor,mais espanhol ce nest pas ma longue maternal,ne pas aussi paternal  !
Je compris ,mais quarente minutes :P 


Olli und concentration ! Hyper-activity ;)



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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2016, 08:35:18 PM »
Pardon moi,tagor,mais espanhol ce nest pas ma longue maternal,ne pas aussi paternal  !
Je compris ,mais quarente minutes :P 


Olli und concentration ! Hyper-activity ;)

Olá LancaIV,

No need to 'suffer' with translation, the same video exists in English too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp91ARt0C8I 

It is rather unfortunate that no real load test was performed. It means nothing if output voltage from generator is 2 or 3 times higher than input voltage to the motor... 

Regards,
Gyula

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2016, 09:37:20 PM »
Good evening,gyula and
"Merci,beaucoup !"



I would "suffer" to have to translate the "40 minutes video conference" !


You are right,they did only tested the device under no load condition and will not have to let the device
examinated by their national patent office cause they only applied national for the "utility model" solution !
But this is only a temporarely question if they want to commercialize the invention !
It has to be functional or they will fail !


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Not beeing against the technology and this spanish project team I do not like to see the international patent right and right limits misused/abused :

MEV Technology, protected worldwide under Utility Model ES 1 141 381 Y, is a property of Felipe Peña Luengo and Vicente Lucia Latorre. Copying, manufacturing or distributing of MEV Technology is forbidden unless having the explicit consent of the owners. To get this consent, please contact us through email, contacto@energymev.org.
 
La  Tecnología MEV, protegida a nivel mundial a partir del modelo de utilidad ES 1 141 381 Y, es propiedad de Felipe Peña Luengo y de Vicente Lucia  Latorre. La copia,  fabricación o distribución de la Tecnología MEV está prohibida a menos que se tenga el consentimiento explícito de los propietarios. Para obtener este consentimiento, por favor, póngase en contacto con nosotros a través del correo electrónico contacto@energymev.org.

                                   wrong situation description :

If the MEV team only applied national as "utility model/modelo de utilidad ES........" and not EP/WIPO-wide
they can not claim to have their invention worldwide=a nivel mundial  protected=protegida and
this only the commercial market related ,
the commercial patent property right(PCT-Trade Act) is in and for private use not existent !
 
Nobody needs a licence to copy this neither worldwide nor in Spain,if this device is in off-grid use !
                               But they -MEV- can f.e. sell DIY-plans or kits !


Or they make a technical breakthrough and get the possibility to apply for worldwide rights !
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Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2016, 06:53:11 AM »
Pardon moi,tagor,mais espanhol ce nest pas ma longue maternal,ne pas aussi paternal  !
Je compris ,mais quarente minutes :P 


Olli und concentration ! Hyper-activity ;)



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        Fundación M.E.V.il y a 3 semainesHola Antonio. En estas pruebas no hemos probado la potencia generadora, sino certificar lo que está patentado. Para medir esa potencia necesitaríamos poner carga al MEV. Haremos pruebas de generación con los nuevos prototipos en los que estamos trabajando en estos momentos y os informaremos. Un saludo

ils ont fait les tests sans charge pour valider le brevet
maintenant ils vont faire d'autres tests avec charge

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 10:48:43 AM »
Spain seems to become something like a FE-thinktank :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-R3mm2EcE
http://www.bioo.tech
 

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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2016, 10:58:45 AM »


ils ont fait les tests sans charge pour valider le brevet
maintenant ils vont faire d'autres tests avec charge


Hola Pablo. Estas pruebas se han hecho sin carga, por lo que no podemos hablar aquí de intensidad. Es como si tenemos un enchufe al que no enchufamos nada, por lo que la corriente (intensidad) no circula. Los miliamperios de salida se deben simplemente a la carga que supone la bobina propia del motor. Lo que sí hemos probado es que es posible construir un motor generador, y que este prototipo multiplica el voltaje más del triple. Estamos ahora fabricando el primer motor MEV no adaptado (sino construido desde cero) y con el haremos las pruebas de rendimiento generador


motor-generator back-emf-circuit : http://electrifyingtimes.com/trinity_motor.html At its current levels, the PowerMax system returns up to 85% of energy required to run the motor---under full load---to run an electric car.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=31&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040805&CC=US&NR=2004150289A1&KC=A1

The best explanation, according to Trinity CEO, Gordon James, is that the motor engineering community over the last one hundred years has focused on 'the work' that a motor produces at the shaft. 'Work' refers to the amount of horse power that the rotating motion of the shaft can bring to bear to run pumps, condensers, fans and all the other devices that motors make 'work.' Engineers view this 'work' as related to the amount of electric power that is consumed in order to reach 1HP at the rotating shaft.
For Example: 20 Amps @ 110Volts of Power generally equates to approximately 1 HP in a typical AC motor.
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no load/ load : up to 1000% difference
http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=1073 as no load-energy buster
But the average consumption of each phase for the modified motor is 0.22 A
At the maximum load for the modified motor consumption up to 2.5 A for each phase

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