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Would the DC-Motor in the animated-diagram in the LINK below, 'Rotate', if the 2-Permanent-Magnets in that motor, were replaced with a ring-permanent-magnet ?
( it would not require commutation for this question )
( would the DC-Motor rotate inside a ring-permanent-magnet instead )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejs_Open_Source_Direct_Current_Electrical_Motor_Model_Java_Applet_(_DC_Motor_)_80_degree_split_ring.gif
( NOTE : In this animated-diagram, I can only see that the electromagnetic-fields from the relevant sections of the rotating-wire, are actually 'Parallel' to the Magnetic-Field occurring between the 2-permanent-magnets, instead of being 'Perpendicular' ? ,
SO, MAYBE this DC-Motor could be a current-carrying-wire-ring rotating inside of a ring-permanent-magnet )
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ball-cup generator(motor)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=19741256A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19990930&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
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ball-cup generator(motor)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=19741256A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19990930&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
Admittedly it's too difficult for me to figure out how the 'ball-cup generator(motor)' functions, as it's presented on there, but if it's not brushless, then it may work like a current-carrying-wire sliding against a metal-ball through which the current also flows, I have seen working examples on the internet .
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The closest I can find to a motor spinning in a ring-magnet is :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floppy_drive_spindle_motor_open.jpg
I can't actually understand how this one functions either .
I don't have the background or experience to easily understand electric-motors.
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However, there may be some methods to achieve the same effect as a 'DC-Motor Rotating Inside a Ring-Magnet' , the only method I can think of at the moment is :
- Sideways-Overlapping of 'numerous-additional' of the permanent-magnets already present in the following motor :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejs_Open_Source_Direct_Current_Electrical_Motor_Model_Java_Applet_(_DC_Motor_)_80_degree_split_ring.gif
This could look like the brick-wall pattern.
I don't know many variations of this idea there could exist, in all sorts of unrecognizable configurations.
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I have to make another post, instead of updating the post I just made a few minutes ago, so as not to affect the date/time stamp on that post.
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I'm wondering what about Electric-Versions( hopefully DC ) of my Non-Electric Magnet-Motors, Magnet-Motor 3.5( Magnet-Motor 10.5 ), OR, of any of my Numerous other Magnet-Motor designs which I have posted on this site.
- However, Some of my Magnet-Motor designs are not posted on this site, they are only in the EARLY-DESIGNS-DOCUMENT.doc file Attached Below, the link appears in small text( difficult to see ) on this post.
( That .doc file contains a lot of my early designs, the Magnet-Motors( Some of which I did not call Magnet-Motors in that document ) are in diagrams in that document, unfortunately amendments to designs in that document are located all over the place, in that document.
- That document contains the idea of using a magnet shaped like an aircraft-wing to create propulsion in the field between two magnets.
- It also contains an idea of using overlapping-stator-magnets to cause a Fully-Levitating-Permanent-Magnet( contradicting Earnshaw's-Theorem ) shaped in some shape I couldn't think of,
to Rotate.
- There may be some more magnetic-perpetual-motion ideas in that document, but the 'toy-car' idea is probably worthless.
Would there be any performance advantages( Doubt-It ! ) in having electric-versions( hopefully DC ) of my Magnet-Motors, Magnet-Motor 3.5( Magnet-Motor 10.5 ), OR, any of my Numerous other Magnet-Motor designs, in terms of having more efficient electric-motors, I can see how some of the designs would look.
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However, there may be some methods to achieve the same effect as a 'DC-Motor Rotating Inside a Ring-Magnet' , the only method I can think of at the moment is :
- Sideways-Overlapping of 'numerous-additional' of the permanent-magnets already present in the following motor :
There may be another method :
- it would be to use a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ) and the DC-Motor would rotate inside of that, instead of inside a ring-magnet
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Admittedly it's too difficult for me to figure out how the 'ball-cup generator(motor)' functions, as it's presented on there, but if it's not brushless, then it may work like a current-carrying-wire sliding against a metal-ball through which the current also flows, I have seen working examples on the internet .
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The closest I can find to a motor spinning in a ring-magnet is :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floppy_drive_spindle_motor_open.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floppy_drive_spindle_motor_open.jpg)
I can't actually understand how this one functions either .
I don't have the background or experience to easily understand electric-motors.
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However, there may be some methods to achieve the same effect as a 'DC-Motor Rotating Inside a Ring-Magnet' , the only method I can think of at the moment is :
- Sideways-Overlapping of 'numerous-additional' of the permanent-magnets already present in the following motor :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejs_Open_Source_Direct_Current_Electrical_Motor_Model_Java_Applet_(_DC_Motor_)_80_degree_split_ring.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejs_Open_Source_Direct_Current_Electrical_Motor_Model_Java_Applet_(_DC_Motor_)_80_degree_split_ring.gif)
This could look like the brick-wall pattern.
I don't know many variations of this idea there could exist, in all sorts of unrecognizable configurations.
I never built this ball-cup generator,but what I know after a phone call with the dpma(german patent office in Munich )more then ten years before is that the patent application became DE-granted so it is now "Technical Standart", but since some years commercial free, "open source" !
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However, there may be some methods to achieve the same effect as a 'DC-Motor Rotating Inside a Ring-Magnet' , the only method I can think of at the moment is :
- Sideways-Overlapping of 'numerous-additional' of the permanent-magnets already present in the following motor :
This could look like the brick-wall pattern.
A better alternative to my 'Brick-Wall-Pattern' idea, would be the arrangement of the Stators-Labelled-B in the diagram attached below.
There may be another method :
- it would be to use a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ) and the DC-Motor would rotate inside of that, instead of inside a ring-magnet
Note: The rotor spinning inside the coil ( spiral ) would never detect the ends of the permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ), because it would be right in the middle of the coil, sufficiently far away from the ends.
An alternative to a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ), would be to have a disk-cylinder-permanent-magnet spinning inside a current-carrying-wire-coil( spiral ) , taking into account the previous paragraph.
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Admittedly it's too difficult for me to figure out how the 'ball-cup generator(motor)' functions, as it's presented on there, but if it's not brushless, then it may work like a current-carrying-wire sliding against a metal-ball through which the current also flows, I have seen working examples on the internet .
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The closest I can find to a motor spinning in a ring-magnet is :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floppy_drive_spindle_motor_open.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floppy_drive_spindle_motor_open.jpg)
I can't actually understand how this one functions either .
I don't have the background or experience to easily understand electric-motors.
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That is not a ring magnet in the floppy drive motor. That is a ferrite ring that has sections of it magnetized to be NSNSNS all the way around. This allows it to respond to the activation of the coils.
Carroll
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That explains that floppy drive motor.
I started this thread because I'm wondering if it is possible for an electric-motor to exist that does not create electromagnetic-eddies( or is affected by eddies / electromagnetic-field friction ) .
As far as I know, the only electric-motor that does not create electromagnetic-eddies( or is affected by eddies / electromagnetic-field friction ) is the first motor, Faraday's-electric-motor below :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Faraday_magnetic_rotation.jpg
As far as I can see, it does not create electromagnetic-eddies( or is affected by eddies / electromagnetic-field friction ), but just now, I realized it might create electromagnetic-eddies in the mercury( or it's substitute brine ).
Is there no version of the Faraday-electric-motor that does not require a liquid.
- I can't figure out why Motor.JPG , the diagram below, won't rotate
( Motor.JPG is simply a Disk-Permanent-Magnet( the big-circle in the diagram ) that has the electromagnetic-field of the electric-wire labelled X, acting on the outer edge of the Disk-Permanent-Magnet )
( Note : There are all sorts of alternatives to Motor.JPG , for example an electric-wire in a ring-magnet )
I thought that the Faraday-electric-motor works Simply as a result of the interaction between the 'electromagnetic-field'( of the 'electric-wire' ), and, the 'magnetic-field' of the 'permanent-magnet' , if that is correct, then surely Motor.JPG in the diagram below, should rotate .
HOWEVER, I think that apparently the 'electric-current' in that 'Faraday-electric-motor', also flows through the 'Permanent-Magnet' in that motor( in the wikipedia-image link above ), if that is true, then why bother having a 'Permanent-Magnet' in that motor, they could just have another electric-wire.
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There may be another method :
- it would be to use a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ) and the DC-Motor would rotate inside of that, instead of inside a ring-magnet
Note: The rotor spinning inside the coil ( spiral ) would never detect the ends of the permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ), because it would be right in the middle of the coil, sufficiently far away from the ends.
An alternative to a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ), would be to have a disk-cylinder-permanent-magnet spinning inside a current-carrying-wire-coil( spiral ) , taking into account the previous paragraph.
CORRECTION : This idea would only use Coils( Either a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a Coil, OR a disk-cylinder-permanent-magnet spinning inside a current-carrying-wire-coil ).
- I mistakenly also used the word 'spiral' earlier, because I forgot that a 'spiral' can imply a 'cone-shape' which I am not using in this idea, but perhaps I should look at that .
Another-Version of this Coil Idea ( which is either a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a Coil, OR a disk-cylinder-permanent-magnet spinning inside a current-carrying-wire-coil ), WOULD BE : To have a Coil Rotating inside a Larger-Coil .
But I assume that this idea would create electromagnetic-eddies( or be affected by eddies / electromagnetic-field friction ) .
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The following text I am quoting, appears on the wikipedia page below :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_motor
Like most electro-mechanical machines, a homopolar motor is reversible: if the conductor is turned mechanically, then it will operate as a homopolar generator, producing a direct current voltage between the two terminals of the conductor.
Building a simple homopolar motor
One can attach the magnet to the battery and allow the conducting wire to rotate freely while closing the electric circuit by touching both the top of the battery and the magnet attached to the bottom of the battery. The wire and the battery may become hot if operated continuously.
" The wire and the battery may become hot if operated continuously. "
I assume that the text in bold, above, could not imply that the D.I.Y. homopolar-motor wire and battery get hot because the motor is acting as a generator at the same time that it is functioning as a motor, because not only could that possibly be an Overunity-Generator, or contravening the laws of physics, it could also cause the battery to explode.
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My Design For A Lenz-Less Electric-Motor
( where the electromagnetic-eddies etc, are minimized as much as possible )
Firstly, it uses the Disk-Permanent-Magnet and the Aluminium-Disk which are both on the same shaft, as used in the Faraday-Paradox .
Then, the aluminium-disk has an aluminium-cone sealed onto it's outer edge/perimeter, so that it looks like an aluminium-cone with the big round end sealed of with the aluminium-disk, however, the skinny end of the cone does not taper off into a sharp point, instead, that skinny point is just a small round hole.
Then :
- An insulated wire will be put through the skinny end of the cone( which is a round hole ), and soldered inside the cone to the exact center of the aluminium-disk .
- DC current will radiate from the center of the aluminium-disk and out to it's outer edge/perimeter, and then the rest of the aluminum-cone is simply used as a conductor for the current to travel back to the power-supply.
Then, an Iron-Disk is added to the shaft between the disk-face of the Aluminium-Cone and the disk-permanent-magnet, this Iron-Disk is free to rotate .
NOTE: In this version of this motor, the Aluminium-Cone and the Disk-Permanent-Magnet do not rotate, they remain stationary on the shaft.
The Idea Is :
- That electromagnetic-field from the disk-face of the Aluminium-Cone will exert a force on the Iron-Disk which is free to rotate,
- And, at the same time the Disk-Permanent-Magnet which sits on the other side of the Iron-Disk, also exerts a force on the Iron-Disk which is free to rotate,
- It's possible, that the result will be that the Iron-Disk will rotate.
NOTE :
- In another version, you could replace the Iron-Disk, with one made of aluminium or copper.
- Also, it may require more than one free-spinning Iron-Disk ( or made of aluminium or copper )
The disk-face of the Aluminium-Cone should produce a very different electromagnetic-field to that of a simple straight-piece-of-dc-current-carrying-wire, so I don't know if this motor would function.
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The 'Aluminium-Cone' component I just described, could be used in a different electric-motor, by using the the electromagnetic-field emanated from it's outer edge perimeter( or close to it, wherever an appropriate electromagnetic-field to cause rotation occurs ) in order to cause rotation of either a separate rotating-component, or the 'Aluminium-Cone' component itself, or even both.
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'Another' Design I Thought Of, For A Lenz-Less Electric-Motor
( where the electromagnetic-eddies etc, are minimized as much as possible, or non existent )
( This one is so simple , I doubt I'm the first to think of it )
( This design contains 'No-Permanent-Magnets' )
The design is simply a inner-conducting-wire( or an inner-conducting-solid-cylinder, or an inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center, which is inside of an outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.
The DC-current in the inner-conducting-wire( or an inner-conducting-solid-cylinder, or an inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center, would flow in the opposite direction to that of the outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.
So either the inner-component, or the outer component would rotate, or both could rotate.
Power could be delivered to the rotating-component( s ) via induction, or via photovoltaics, or via wireless-power-transmission .
The rotating-component( s ) could rotate on Non-Electric-Permanent-Magnet-Only-Full-Levitation-Beariings, so that they would make no physical contact with any other object.
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'Another' Design I Thought Of, For A Lenz-Less Electric-Motor
( where the electromagnetic-eddies etc, are minimized as much as possible, or non existent )
( This one is so simple , I doubt I'm the first to think of it )
( This design contains 'No-Permanent-Magnets' )
The design is simply a inner-conducting-wire( or an inner-conducting-solid-cylinder, or an inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center, which is inside of an outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.
The DC-current in the inner-conducting-wire( or an inner-conducting-solid-cylinder, or an inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center, would flow in the opposite direction to that of the outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.
So either the inner-component, or the outer component would rotate, or both could rotate.
Power could be delivered to the rotating-component( s ) via induction, or via photovoltaics, or via wireless-power-transmission .
The rotating-component( s ) could rotate on Non-Electric-Permanent-Magnet-Only-Full-Levitation-Beariings, so that they would make no physical contact with any other object.
A clarification to this motor-design of a DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder that has a smaller( but same length ) DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder inside of it, and the direction of the DC-current is different between the 2 hollow-cylinders.
( Remembering that the Inner-DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder could be substituted with a straight length of wire )
The clarification is that you would ensure that current would flow evenly across all the surface of the cylinders by using 'Cones' to input and output current to the cylinders .
This is described in my previous motor design in the posts below :
http://overunity.com/16822/would-a-dc-motor-rotate-inside-a-ring-magnet/msg491347/#msg491347
http://overunity.com/16822/would-a-dc-motor-rotate-inside-a-ring-magnet/msg491357/#msg491357
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Another Update To This : Electric-motor-design of a DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder that has a smaller( but same length ) DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder inside of it, and the direction of the DC-current is different between the 2 hollow-cylinders.
This update is to state the obvious that either the outer-cylinder, or the inner-cylinder, could be replaced with a 'permanent-magnet-cylinder', and that the DC-electric-conducting-cylinder would be the component that would rotate, since I assume it would be impossible for the 'permanent-magnet-cylinder' to rotate due to Faraday's-paradox.
Also, attaching the 'cones' to the cylinders :
It would be a good idea to attach the 'cone' to the outer-cylinder so that it is slanting in the opposite angle to that of the 'cone' to the inner-cylinder , so that the electromagnetic-fields between the 2 'cones' do not interact with each other, since 'eddies' could occur there .