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Author Topic: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity  (Read 11410 times)

Offline vikram_gupta11

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Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2016, 07:52:31 AM »
This seesaw system with flashlight will work and there is no flaw in this design .

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Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2016, 10:25:44 AM »
Dear Vidar Sir,

Take a look on these changes.In this sketch you will find that I have attached 10 shake flashlights on  the both side of a balanced seesaw system and this seesaw is moving with 3 to 6 volt toy motor but  I have used 10 no. shake flashlights and each flashlight will produce only 2 volt as a output ,which will be less than input . On the first hand each flashlight is producing only 2 volt and on the second hand the total 10 no. flashlights systems are producing 20 volt . If we try this concept than input is more than output but if we add total output then it is greater than input.

please answer me that will these flashlights will be light up or not as mass is not an issue in this device.
Note(1)each flashlight is separate with another flashlight .
(2)we are using only 3 to 6 volt motor to press the seesaw system and I have attached a crankshaft with seesaw system and  a motor to convert motor's rotatory motion in to linear motion .Now motor is pressing the seesaw system and due to this, flashlights are also shaking  but we are using only 3 volt as a input to light up these 20 no. flashlights (also include another arm of seesaw ).
for an example   I have used 10 no. coil+ magnet and each coil+ magnet system will produce only 2 volt as a output ,which will be less than input and on the first hand each magnet+ coil system is producing only 2 volt and on the second hand the total 10 no. magnet+ coil systems are producing 20 volt . If we try this concept than input is more than output but if we add total output then it is greater than input.

Further more if I connect a motor with exhaust fan with each coil+magnet or flashlight instead of LED bulb then these total 10 no. fan will work to pass the air through a blow pipe and this exhaust air will work to run a 10 volt motor again .In this way can we get more output than input.

In this case as far as I think I'm not violating any thermodynamics laws as we are getting less output than input with each coil+magnet system. But total 10 no. magnet +coil systems are producing 10 volt as a output and no reverse magnetism work in this system also due to more input than output.ed seesaw there is need of less energy or input we are using only a 3 volt toy motor and this motor will run only with AA size battery.suppose one flash light is generating 1.5 volt and 1 amp so the electricity will be or power will be using P=VI(1.5*1=1.5 watt) and we can generate 1.5 watt power with each flashlight but I have attached 10 or 20 or 30 flash lights on the seesaw system and this seesaw is moving or turning  with the help of only 2  to 4 no. AA size battery.If we are getting 1.5 watt with each flashlight then can we use this current to run a 1.5 watt motor and in this way can we run or move attached no. fans which are 10 ,20 or 30 or more and again gathering the exhaust of these total fans through a blower to run a powerful turbine  than a 3 volt toy motor.

Note(1) the total exhaust gathered from these fans can easily run a small wind turbine which output will be greater than 3 or 4 AA size batteries.
(2) There is no issue of mass in this design  and INERTIA IS NOT A PROBLEM I CAN EASILY SHORT OUT THIS PROBLEM.

IF YOU HAVE SOME TIME THEN ALSO TAKE A LOOK ON MY SECOND CONCEPT'  DEEP SPACE PROPULSION USING SPRING FORCE AND KINETIC ENERGY'.

THANK YOU SIR

VIKRAM
I can't go buying 10 flashlights for this.
First of all, you misunderstand the concept of electricity. It is no problem using a piezoelectric igniter on your seesaw also. This can easily produce thousands of volts with the seesaw this way. What you do not consider, is that voltage isn't energy untill the voltage is dropping through a resistor or a bulb and ALSO creates current.
Electric ENERGY is a product of voltage and amperes. If the toy motor is rated to 3 Watt, it will draw 1 Ampere at 3 Volt. If you have an output of 20 Volt, the energy output will be the same - 3 Watt. That means that the flashlights combined cannot produce more than 0,15 Ampere at 20 Volt.


This design is basicly a mechanical transformer. Like regular AC transformers, the voltage input and voltage output is determined by the number of windings in the primary and secondary coil. If you put 230V AC into the primary coil with 500 windings, and you have 50 000 windings on the secondary coil, you will have an voltage output of 23 000 Volt, but this isn't over unity because the Ampere capacity drops with the same factor.
This is also what is happening in your 10x flashlight seesaw. I know this.


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Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2016, 10:28:47 AM »
This seesaw system with flashlight will work and there is no flaw in this design .
I have a strange feeling that you're kidding with me, and wasting my time. Read my previous post.


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Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2016, 04:19:09 AM »
I'm not kidding up with anyone.



I did some experiment and after that I post this Idea .
I used 6 balls (toy ball which light up due to pressure) and attach these balls with both Arms of seesaw system .when I applied a force on this seesaw then the balls glowed up and So I think that we can use coil+magnet system and it will also work.
I also tested mass issue that so I put 3 kilogram weight on each arm but it didn't effect the whole system and balls again glowed up with same force that I applied before attaching the weight.
Now I want to tell that I used just a very little force only using my finger tips and this system did well what I was expecting.

Now in this design we are shaking 10 no. flashlights with the force of equal to shake a single flashlight(COIL+MAGNET) and these flashlight will work or glow up there is no doubt about it. we can take not only 10 no. flashlight but also 20,30,50 or more because remember the seesaw is in balanced position so again say that there is need of only small amount of energy to move it and also consider that this seesaw is just moving only 2 to 3 centimeter sideways so this is also an advantage .
Friction is very less,applying force is same as we are shaking 10 no. flashlights with the force of shaking a single flashlight.sideways momentum is only 2 to 3 centimeter then why this should not work?

ONLY ONE TIME GREATER INPUT IS SUFFICIENT TO SHAKE ALL 10 NUMBERED FLASHLIGHTS OR COIL+MAGNET SYSTEM.

There may be friction loss but it will be negligible and there will be no effect on the entire system due to this loss.
So my earnest request to all of great folks that reconsider about this design.


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Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2016, 10:28:24 AM »
Hi,


The toy balls contains batteries, don't they?
Anyways:
You do not need a seesaw to shake the flashlights. The balanced system doesn't have any other benefit than being balanced, and possibly helping the system to run smoother. You could likely used a pendulum with shakers on it, or mounted the flashlights directly to motor.
Let aside the seesaw, the flashlights are not providing more energy than the shaking energy input.
You will experience drag in the seesaw because the shaking magnets inside the coils will oppose motion. Not only opposing motion, but also move through the coils with some delay. This delay will cause the magnets to still continue a short bit in the same direction even if the seesaw has changed direction to the opposite.


I try hard not to step on anyones toes, but I still have a feeling you're kidding with us, OR you really need to sit down and study basic primary school physics...Because it's very obvious that this idea isn't going to work.


There is NO way this system will produce more energy than it consumes. Make a pendulum with shaker flashlights on it. You will soon see that the pendulum will stop quite quicker than wothout the flashlights on them.


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Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2016, 10:28:24 AM »
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