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Author Topic: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.  (Read 22299 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2016, 05:16:56 AM »
Just measured a speaker ring magnet and it is non conductive.  Ive soaked speaker magnet assemblies in acetone and the like to separate the magnet from the metal pole parts.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2016, 07:55:19 PM »
I like the electronic electroscope idea but you may want to fix the design a bit so it won't destroy the gate isolation on the first static discharge it may encounter.

With the unprotected gate a static discharge will likely exceed the maximum gate voltage and cause a permanent increase in gate leakage making the device less effective.




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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2016, 08:25:36 PM »
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=65&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910411&CC=DE&NR=3928644A1&KC=A1

The invention relates to a magnetic ring according to the preamble of claim 1.  The predetermined magnetic ring is on the one hand produce a pulsating magnetic field, having a direction of rotation, but on the other hand do not, as an ordinary magnet ring, exhibit too LOW pulse rate. It is known that for this purpose superconducting magnets are used. These have no reactance because their electrical resistance is almost 0 ohms. So far, however, a pulse rate which is equal to or approximately c has not yet been brought about. This object is achieved by the features listed in the patent claim. 1 The advantages attainable with the invention consist in the fact that with this arrangement, a rotating magnetic field can be generated, which polarity the speed of light, or approximately the speed of light changes, the angular velocity can be brought also to this P. An embodiment of the invention is illustrated in the drawing and will be described in more detail below. Show it Fig. 1-6 is a schematic representation of the changing polarity.  The following is the explanation of the invention with reference to the drawings and possibly also by effects.  In order to illustrate an arrangement which allows a light-fast rotation of a magnetic field, the magnetic ring is formed of an even number of superconducting magnets, which are directed to a center of a circle, wherein the polarity alternates continuously. To see the effect it should be noted that one cuts, to obtain a three-dimensional structure, a two-dimensional object on the cut surface. Could we rotate this section the speed of light, we obtain a three-dimensional structure again. You can transfer this process. If we cut that is a four-dimensional structure, one would have to obtain a three-dimensional object. now Rotated this three-dimensional cut fabric speed of light, would obtain a four-dimensional object. As a body can not be accelerated to the speed of light, but this is necessary to achieve a simultaneous coverage of all points in space, we use the three-dimensional rotating magnetic field. 

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2016, 09:09:34 PM »
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want to fix the design a bit


how?

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2016, 11:26:15 PM »
I like the electronic electroscope idea but you may want to fix the design a bit so it won't destroy the gate isolation on the first static discharge it may encounter.

With the unprotected gate a static discharge will likely exceed the maximum gate voltage and cause a permanent increase in gate leakage making the device less effective.

Yep. sorta like a very basic touch switch.  So lets say if the probe was on top above the spinning magnet and a neg charge triggers the probe, would there be a pos charge under the spinning mag? Like if we see the probe trigger above the magnet, then move the probe under the magnet, will there be an opposite charge to trigger the device off?  There must be a pos charge somewhere to coincide with the neg charge, if there is any charge field at all.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2016, 11:26:15 PM »
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Offline PolaczekCebulaczek

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2016, 12:12:16 AM »
yes and magnet needs to be ceramic, because iron or neo can induce current in itself (if field is stationary) , speeding or slowing current inside magnet = e field.


just two more questions:

1. homopolar generator produce steady DC current ??(no emf near disk) what about rpm changing?

2. this one is kinda related to this topic... if charges flow inside wire, in loop in clockwise direction and i will rotate this loop in counterclock direction, what would happen ? protons would move against electrons that are moving too? and if i rotate this loop in clockwise (the same direction that current flows ) what then?


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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2016, 02:30:51 AM »
So lets say if the probe was on top above the spinning magnet and a neg charge triggers the probe, would there be a pos charge under the spinning mag?

I was thinking that you could place the probe wire near the midpoint on the outer diameter of the magnet but not touching the magnet.
If the field is spinning with the magnet then the electrons should move along the conductor and trigger the detector.
The charge would change depending on the rotation direction of the magnet. CW might move electrons toward the detector and CCW would move them away.


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Offline minnie

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2016, 09:56:48 PM »



   If you lot want to see a real homoplar generator just look into the work of
  Mark Oliphant and his "Big Machine".
     Just goes to show that there was a huge understanding of the principle
  many years ago.
   As early as 1934 a homoplar generator was put into service for welding tube
  at a stell mill.
          John.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2016, 11:11:44 AM »



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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2016, 01:28:26 AM »
    If this thread   Stopped  because they thought that they were starting to contradict the current-laws -of-science, or self-suppression,  then that is silly ,  because the following threads were started by the site-admin :

    http://overunity.com/15864/friedrich-luling-magnet-motor/

    http://overunity.com/16782/mit-graham-gunderson-video-release-of-the-conference-demonstration/

    The second thread,  is about a functioning device demonstrated at MIT university.

    (  The two examples I have given,  could possibly be poor in comparison to other functioning-devices,  currently discussed on this website,  and publicly demonstrated  )

     Suppression was effective before the internet and mobile-phones etc,  not anymore.

     However, I doubt that  Overunity-Home-Powering-Generators  will ever be available from shops or  large-online-retailers,  and not  pre-assembled.

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    My Only Question Is :
      -  If you have a  'Free-Spinning-Disc-Magnet' on a shaft,  and then you bring a  'Straight-Wire-Carrying-Non-Pulsed-DC-Current'  near( but not touching ) to one-half of the 'Disc-Magnet'( OR, to the surface of the outer-edge of the 'Disc-Magnet' ),  WILL IT CAUSE THE 'DISC-MAGNET' TO SPIN  ?

    The diagram-below shows my question,  the large-circle is the Disc-Magnet,  and the wire is labelled X.
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Offline PolaczekCebulaczek

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2016, 01:54:57 AM »
This thread will be continued, I'm building the contraption right now and run some tests to find the answer. I will post results and video material, I still could not find a simple and satisfactory answer for that question on internet.

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My Only Question Is :
      -  If you have a  'Free-Spinning-Disc-Magnet' on a shaft,  and then you bring a  'Straight-Wire-Carrying-Non-Pulsed-DC-Current'  near( but not touching ) to one-half of the 'Disc-Magnet'( OR, to the surface of the outer-edge of the 'Disc-Magnet' ),  WILL IT CAUSE THE 'DISC-MAGNET' TO SPIN  ?

magnet wont spin , it will experience a force but no rotation.

no one answered my question, that was:  homopolar generator produce steady DC current ??(no emf near disk) what about rpm changing? its hard to have constant rpm.. voltage fluctuates? or not?




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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2016, 03:32:04 AM »
No it will not spin.  It will turn to align with the magnetic field around the wire and then stop.  Try it with a compass and a piece of wire.  Use a resistor to limit the current through the wire and hold it over a compass.  When you energize the wire the compass will turn to align with the magnetic field of the wire,  but then it will stop.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2016, 04:19:45 AM »
PolaczekCebulaczek
   
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magnet wont spin , it will experience a force but no rotation.

    Thats what I assume,  and sounds correct.

    (  I assume the result would be exactly the same if the wire was put near the outer-rim of the Disk-Magnet,  as in the diagram below ,   I'm sure the result would be the same.   )

   
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no one answered my question, that was:  homopolar generator produce steady DC current ??(no emf near disk) what about rpm changing? its hard to have constant rpm.. voltage fluctuates? or not?

    The only thing I can think of( vaguely-related ) is the ' Electron-Microscope-Research a while ago,  using a special method to view the behavior of magnetic-fields on the surfaces of magnets,   which showed that the  magnetic-field  forms tiny vortices ( magnetic-tubes, tornados ) near the surface of the magnet and they react and interact in all sorts of interesting ways.
     I mention it,  because I assume that that PROVES,  that when you SPIN the Disk-Magnet,  that the Magnetic-Field moves with the Disk-Magnet(  that the magnetic-field is not just a cloud around the magnet ). 
     (  The above also made me wonder,   if there is a way to spin the Disk-Magnet in my question,  and while also suspending/floating  the disk-magnet in a  permanent-magnet-only-bearing ,  since some people on this site claimed to have accomplished  magnetic-levitation using only permanent-magnets )


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No it will not spin.  It will turn to align with the magnetic field around the wire and then stop.  Try it with a compass and a piece of wire.  Use a resistor to limit the current through the wire and hold it over a compass.  When you energize the wire the compass will turn to align with the magnetic field of the wire,  but then it will stop.

    I don't think the Disk-Magnet would turn at all,  because unlike a compass-needle,  the Disk-Magnet would have no reason to turn clockwise or anti-clockwise.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2016, 06:14:24 AM »
PolaczekCebulaczek and all HI !!

Let's start from the very begining.

Prime question is: "Does the test electrostatic charge and a magnet interact among themselves ??".

Experimental setup:

Take a glass tube. Clean it from greased sweaty hands with alcohol. Now rub one end of a glass tube with synthetic fabric, and suspend it for the middle by means of a rubber flagella to a rack and bring at in vicinity permanent magnet near the polished end of glass tube.

1. Is there exist any ineraction of electrostatic charge with proximity of southern or northern magnet poles ??

Now do the same, but with not the polished end.

2. Any interaction ??


To undesrtand any electro-magnetic paradox it was quite necessary to understand on prime experiment does the electrostatic test charge and a magnet interact among themselves ??

ps: the Saga will continue !!  :D

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pps: "Physics stands on a stable foundation of the facts, but not on drift sand of imaginary hypotheses", E. Rutherford.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2016, 04:37:57 PM »
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Is there exist any ineraction of electrostatic charge with proximity of southern or northern magnet poles ??

magnetically there is none, but charges would stick to magnet's metal, no matter what pole is facing glass.(I tried something similar with paper).

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