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Author Topic: Question everything  (Read 1734 times)

Offline webby1

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Question everything
« on: July 31, 2016, 04:18:53 PM »
Simple questions for consideration.

When a voltage is applied across a conductor are all the items within that conductor that can be influenced by the voltage influenced simultaneously.

Why and how does the magnetic field enter the core.

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Re: Question everything
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2016, 07:48:13 PM »
There you have the answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity

The speed at which energy or signals travel down a cable is actually the speed of the electromagnetic wave, not the movement of electrons. Electromagnetic wave propagation is fast and depends on the dielectric constant of the material. In a vacuum the wave travels at the speed of light and almost that fast in air.

Here a complicated answer: http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html

Electrons do nor really flow through the wire: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/fast-electrons-flow-electric-cables/

Your answer in simple words: Essentially all effects of the applied Voltage travel at the speed of light (a little bit slower, because the wire is not vacuum).

With a little bit of knowledge you do not have to question everything!Of course, if you prefer esoterica, keep on questioning instead of learning.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Question everything
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2016, 09:20:05 PM »
Hi Conrad,

I like amasci.com,, easy reading with reasonable answers that most can deal with.   Bill does a good job in my opinion.

Are you saying then that when the voltage is applied across the conductor that after the relaxation time period all items that can be influenced by the voltage are influenced simultaneously?

As in, varying the voltage does not create any "new" influences.

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Question everything
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 11:35:19 AM »
Are you saying then that when the voltage is applied across the conductor that after the relaxation time period all items that can be influenced by the voltage are influenced simultaneously?

As in, varying the voltage does not create any "new" influences.

For all practical purposes changes in an electric circuit happen simultaneously. Also if one varies the Voltage as for instance with alternating current. All changes travel like an electric wave near the speed of light.

Only if a wire is very long (thousands of kilometres) or if one deals with very high frequencies (beyond Terra-Hertz, e.g. 300 THz, wave length 1 ┬Ám) relativistic effects happen. These relativistic effects are not very well researched and you could become famous by discovering something new (if you can deal with very long wires or very high frequencies beyond THz).

In all science the "new" things to discover are in the very small (smaller than particles) and the very fast (speed of light). The problem is that you can not do that at home. Very big and sophisticated equipment (like a particle accelerator) is needed. Or you could do experiments in space over milliards of kilometres with star sized masses which is also kind of difficult.

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Question everything
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2016, 11:20:01 PM »
Not looking for new things so much,, more of looking at how we got to where we are and if maybe things were misplaced on the way.

So after the voltage is applied then the flux loop is the flux loop,, no more flux loops are added or removed until such times as the circuit is opened, but when the circuit is first connected and while the circuit is passing that first loop around, the eventual path may change.

Not to say that the path can not change but it would take a change to make it change.

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Re: Question everything
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2016, 11:20:01 PM »
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Question everything
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2016, 09:20:35 AM »
So after the voltage is applied then the flux loop is the flux loop,, no more flux loops are added or removed until such times as the circuit is opened, but when the circuit is first connected and while the circuit is passing that first loop around, the eventual path may change.

Not to say that the path can not change but it would take a change to make it change.

Science is done by observing and measuring effects that happen in the real world. And it must be possible for others to observe the same effects consistently.

After an effect is well established and documented theories are developed. But the theories break down if an effect is discovered which contradicts the theory.

What I see in this forum and in your posts are wild theories not supported by experiments. Forget words, do experiments to demonstrate what you believe to see.

Nobody can tell you what "electricity" is and how it propagates through a circuit. What we know are the effects of components (resistor, capacitor, inductor). To study and to do electronics is to understand and to use these effects. There are mathematical equations describing the effects more or less accurately.

Nobody can tell you what "particles" (protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks,..) really are. But we know what particles do under certain conditions (e.g. in a particle accelerator). To do particle physics is to understand how particles behave in the real world. There are mathematical equations which describe the behavior of particles more or less accurately.

Theories and words are always open ended. "Electricity" is not like water and "particles" are not little balls. The only things that count are observable effects demonstrated by help of repeatable experiments.

So, stop the silly words and do an experiment and describe it well. This forum is drowned in silly words and useless theories.

Greetings, Conrads

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Re: Question everything
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2016, 01:59:18 PM »
And you don't think I have already done that and am trying to maybe find a way to explain my view.

Explain how my observations are not the same on the same interaction and why.

See,, no person can prove anything to another,, but they can allow the other to see for themselves.

So here you are instead of just answering the questions you are trying to do something else,, what and why?? <-rhetorical

Our own motivations often color how we view the world,, I even question myself to make sure I am not responding in a way that is contrary to what my first intent was.

Jump forward,, so could you say that the field is what closes the system?

anyway,,  question everything.

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Re: Question everything
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