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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2016, 10:03:56 PM »
I have been trying to figure out a way to make a siphon coil type of setup for just 2 caps,, using 2 series connected cap sets works somewhat but then that is 2 series connected caps discharging one cap at a time into the  other set of series connected caps,, so not the same.

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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2016, 06:50:38 AM »
I did not know that the polarized capacitors could take an AC over DC  and make a DC only,, close enough anyway with only a .112V AC or that could of been just a DC wave,, :)

I think my PSU is not setup so well for this kind of thing,, the voltage is set to like 9.7 to 9.8V but while cranking the AC source motor that will climb up a long ways, it also shows a changing current from like 0.435A to 0.11A while my multimeter is showing .07 to .25A AC,, the current and voltage rise depend on the load on the secondary of the scavenge transformer.

I think all the "energy" is coming from the PSU and Mr. Hand,, no magic or such,, just interesting how the setup provides for a DC on the one side and an AC on the secondary of the scavenge transformer.

Talking about that,, 48000uf at 25V makes a nice bang when you short it,, I can get it higher but it really slows down on the charge rate as the voltage goes up,, the input goes down as well while the voltage goes up,, so less in means more time and rotations to go up higher,,

When I reversed the polarity of the PSU at the same connection points the resting voltage of the one cap was kind of high,, interesting interactions with this setup,, I also let it sit long enough and all the stored voltage from the left cap went into the right cap,, that is with the PSU disconnected.

If I stop and quickly disconnect the PSU when the operating voltage is up high the cap voltages will stay there and the PSU drops back down to its set voltage.

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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2016, 07:00:06 AM »
I forgot to mention that the AC output is the same with or without the PSU,, so is the secondary output from the scavenge transformer,, the only thing that seems to change is what the 2 series connected 14000uf caps are doing as well as the PSU.

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2016, 02:42:07 PM »
I just tried the system without the PSU between the AC and the cap,, well the input force goes up as shown by an increase in AC current from the motor, apr 0.5A and the output across the coil goes up in voltage to 5V.

With the PSU back in the input force goes down as shown by a decrease back down to .17A but the coil voltage also drops down to about 1.5V,, it keeps going up but I loose Mr. Hand being able to keep things spinning at .17A,,, similar condition for the the no PSU.


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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2016, 08:14:09 PM »
Just for fun I modified a wall wart so that it is giving me an AC output,, 13.5V unloaded.

I put this into the system in place of the PSU and AC motor.

I used a FWBR to take and run a small electric motor in-line with one of the legs from the wall wart.

The wall wart was providing 13V @ .08A AC to run the motor.

Using the same meters to run the motor on DC from my PSU, 13V @ .06A DC.

I found a coil for the load on the secondary that is 100 ohms and it was holding .7V DC while the system was running. (38,000 uf of caps)

After I let it run for a while and things heat up and settle down,, then the input from the wall wart droped down to 13V @ .07A AC but the secondary still holds .7V DC.

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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2016, 08:14:09 PM »
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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2016, 09:16:42 PM »
I just tried it going from the wall wart through the FWBR and to the motor,,

13.07V @.08A AC

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2016, 11:19:51 PM »
With those 2 POC's working like I expected them to I think I will spend the time to build a scavenge specific cap,, then later on I will need to build a scavenge specific transformer.

That would be the fist pic I posted and the last pic I posted.

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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2016, 03:50:11 PM »
Just some notes from tests I thought of this morning,,

This is with the motor and FWBR in-line.  Current is between on leg from the wall wart to the  FWBR\Motor, FWBR\Motor to system, Voltage is across the two legs from the wall wart.

It looks like with the system secondary shorted that it acts like it is not there,, I am surprised at the level the secondary voltage gets to when I stall the motor and no short on the secondary.

9.54V  @.64A AC max shorted diodes stalled motor

13.24V  @.08 AC min shorted diodes

13.35V @.05A AC min open diodes

12.42V @ .21A AC max open diodes stalled motor


caps 100 ohm

13.21V @ .08A

9.75V @ .69 start  .54 hold stalled motor

secondary 4.88V end  .67V start

single 10000uf no short

13.23V  @.07A

13.31V @ .05A after cap charge to 82V

current at .25A while motor stalled

single 270uf cap

13.3V @ .05A

12.34V @ .21A at 128V motor stalled

Motor only 13.21V @ .08A

9.16V @ .66A  motor stalled

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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2016, 07:08:31 PM »
Going back to my first pic for a revisit,, I cleaned up my connections a bit.

Wall wart is used for my input AC source.

Wall wart input to system 11.6V AC @.36A AC

Motor output from system 22.6V DC @ .13A DC

Scavenged from secondary 2.5V across 100 ohms DC

I mixed up my meters and repeated the tests,, these are the highest input and lowest output values I had,, not that there was much difference,, the voltages were the same but one time the input was down to .34A AC while the Motor was at .15A DC and since the voltage was the same I assumed that the meters were in error.

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2016, 05:20:25 PM »
This is somewhat useless but interesting,,

I have taken my little motor, added a contact ring that has 4 on and 4 off contacts,, pulsing the output from the series caps.

I am doing this by ear,, so not really good for much,,

With the system in place and running at what sounds like the same RPM my AC input is 12.56V @ 0.15A and the secondary is providing .225V across a 10 ohm resistor DC.

Without the system in place and running at what sounds like the same RPM my AC input is 12.65V @ .16A and no output from the secondary.

My meter on the series cap series voltage is not so good,, if I allow to much arcing it will go over 1kv,, but when I get it stable then with the system it reads 54V and without it reads 38V,, both of them will sometimes show over 100V but with the system I can have a prolonged 400V reading but the motor is running slower.

I had a few times using the system where the brush bounce was just right,, I am assuming,, because the voltage went up to about 340V and the motor was running faster and the secondary output went up to .3V across the 10 ohm resistor.

I tried using my meter across the secondary output cap with no resistor and was reading up to .145A DC with the motor sounding faster.

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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2016, 03:38:12 PM »
I had an empty 1 gallon plastic paint can,, and a left over roll of aluminum foil duct tape,, the real stuff to seal your HVAC duct joints.

The tape comes with a waxed paper backing that I left on.

I measured infinite resistance between the plates, so no shorts I think.  I moved a PM around and had an induced current and voltage from the common plate.

I tried to make a 3 plate cap out of it,, 2 short plates and one long common plate,, well it was kind of a bust.

When I used about 450mm long by 72mm wide short pieces,, almost 1 turn around the paint can, and about 10 turns for the common plate,, I did not count, it was just a quick lets looksie kind of thing,, so about 32500mm^2 of coverage per plate.

I measured 2.5nf between the 2 short plates and about 6nf for each short plate to common.

I think I measured a voltage passed but not any current even tho I could measure a .02ma current increase from the wall wart supply when I hooked it up to the cap.

So the 3 plate cap I figured would be the same thing as two series connected caps, and since I can charge each cap in series while they have the common wire connection I thought I should be able to do the same thing.

My hope was to be able to charge the short plates to some voltage and that would create a shift in the electron balance of the common plate,, then when I shorted the two short plates that would release all of the shifted electrons and create a large current shift within the common plate which would in turn create a large electro-magnetic pulse.

I was thinking that the common plate having a very low resistance,, I measured .3 ohms, and not so many turns would mean it has a low impedance and this would allow for the large em pulse.

Then if that worked I could then wrap the outside of the 3 plate cap with a coil with many turns and convert that large pulse into a useable source.

So I was thinking,, lets say I shifted 1 coulomb of electrons from one end of the common over to the other end, when the short plates are shorted all of the electrons would shift back simultaneously since it would be the electric field holding the electrons.

I was thinking that it would create more of a tsunami kind of wave instead of just the surface kind of waves that we play with.

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Re: Series Cap Scavange
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2016, 08:38:07 PM »
trying this program,, I do not know how to use it or what I can do with it.


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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2016, 08:47:57 PM »
keeping in line with a scavenge type of thing.

What I did was to take a toroid wound 3:1 transformer that had the secondary center tapped, I separated the center tap so that I now have 3 coils.

I took an extension cord and cut it in half, I wired the center tapped coils to the ends of the cut extension cord,, so each coil connects on cut side of the extension cord with the other side of the cut.

I took the output from that transformer and have run it through some resistors,, 560 ohm, 4 of them in parallel, well I stepped through them from 1 to 4.

The other end of the extension cord I plugged my wall wart to,, a 10:1,, and ran the output through a FWBR and into a little motor.

The higher the resistance on the toroid output the lower input to the motor, the more load on the motor the higher the output from the toroid output,, and of course the lower the resistance on the toroid output the higher the input to the motor.

I measured the AC input to the extension cord and it stayed between .04A and .05A AC

The question is,, does this get into all that VAR stuff? so that even tho I did not see an increase in draw to the extension cord the consumed power was actually more?

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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2016, 10:32:52 PM »
:)

That was fun,,, instead of the wall wart I used a motor out of a vacuum cleaner :)

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It is a little messed up and noisy,, but it spun up using  2A AC @ 120V AC,,

The toroid output still going through a FWBR and driving a smallish motor spun up really fast with 8.4V @ .89A.

If I do not use the motor on the output but rather just my meter then the vacuum cleaner motor draws 2.25A AC,, meter reading .9A DC,, if I have nothing across the toroid output the vacuum motor draws .49A AC but does not spin.

It is not much really,, but it is kind of fun and interesting,, that is I can control the input to the load device by how much I take out on the scavenge and it does not "look" like it cost me anything more,, well except of IR^2 losses on the toroid

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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2016, 03:04:56 PM »
Just a thought,,

If I had a motor that was 97% efficient and a generator that was also 97% efficient then that would be an overall efficiency of 94%.

The small motor and wall wart setup was returning a 12% scavenge,, if I used another 97% efficient motor with that then that would be 11.6% of the input,,

If the scavenge motor worked with the main motor to drive the generator then I could increase the output of the generator by over 5% creating a system that would run itself.  (or considering 95% efficiency then that would be 1.4% gain)

I would also think that if this were properly engineered that the scavenge percentage would go up.  I am using parts that I have available with no real attempt to optimize the relationships.

If anyone tries this but does not get any scavenge output then try reversing one of the coils connections,, one way works for scavenge and the other does not.

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