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Author Topic: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious  (Read 56139 times)

Offline ramset

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Being discussed here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20199-energy-conference-graham-gunderson.html


there was some mention of a Mcfree MO ...but all is speculative ATM ,
and just to save the ink

No I don't think he is running his house on it "yet" ,but all will be open sourced !!


respectfully
Chet K


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Offline TinselKoala

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Well, it has been a year since that conference demonstration, after all.

Was it a demonstration of a McFreehyburger? Or perhaps a demonstration of a device and techniques to fool measuring equipment?

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Both sets of instruments agreed on the values being measured. From the warm up moment the unit started at 1.53 watts in and 9.43 watts out or a initial COP of 6.16. The load was a 12V automotive lamp that operated during the entire presentation. As time went on the COP improved an hour later the input wattage was down to zero (with four places of accuracy) with the output still at 9.5. That is a COP of infinity, but lets say around 50. I was in the front row to observe this. Graham reported that he has observed the input value go negative like -.25 watts in.

Imagine... zero input watts... but it still had to be connected to the power supply to work! What magic is this?



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Small correction TK, this demo happened 2 days ago, July 9th, 2016.

http://energyscienceconference.com/2016-schedule/


That's a large rig and a lot of money for a 6w output.  :(  Tuning?


tak

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If after further analysis, it all turns out to be a 'ghost in the machine' and eOut < eIn, you still gotta give the guy a hat-tip.

It's a pretty good accomplishment to accidentally fool 2 completely different types of measuring equipment by the same factor consistently over a pretty wide frequency band.

That, and the fact that he's adopted the open-source philosophy and freely shares any detail you ask about.  Helluva lot more noble than many demonstrating similar claims around.

 :)

Well, it has been a year since that conference demonstration, after all.

Was it a demonstration of a McFreehyburger? Or perhaps a demonstration of a device and techniques to fool measuring equipment?

Imagine... zero input watts... but it still had to be connected to the power supply to work! What magic is this?


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Small correction TK, this demo happened 2 days ago, July 9th, 2016.

http://energyscienceconference.com/2016-schedule/


That's a large rig and a lot of money for a 6w output.  :(  Tuning?


tak

Oh, I see, sorry. I was going by the information in the link Ramset posted, where most of the posts are dated from July of 2015.

Can you explain why, if a device is running on "zero watts, to four places of accuracy" it still needs to be plugged into its power supply in order to keep running?


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Offline EMJunkie

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Well, it has been a year since that conference demonstration, after all.

Was it a demonstration of a McFreehyburger? Or perhaps a demonstration of a device and techniques to fool measuring equipment?

Imagine... zero input watts... but it still had to be connected to the power supply to work! What magic is this?






Back to your Childish Antics TK I see after your small break!!!

Did you get a Re-Hire after all?


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P.S: It was a phone call from Hillary wasnt it... "Youre back on TK..." She said!


Offline TinselKoala

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I see that you, Sykes, after over four hundred and seventy pages in your "Partnered Output Coils-Free Energy" thread, have still not been able to demonstrate a single Joule of "free energy" from any of your contraptions.

And you never will.

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Offline EMJunkie

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I see that you, Sykes, after over four hundred and seventy pages in your "Partnered Output Coils-Free Energy" thread, have still not been able to demonstrate a single Joule of "free energy" from any of your contraptions.

And you never will.





Hahahaha TK, if only you wanted to see the truth, I guess its your job not to through... Blind Bats are, but they can fly at night... If only you had some talent like this...

How is Hillary these days? She Pays well I hear???


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Quote from: Spokane1 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20199-energy-conference-graham-gunderson.html

Gentlemen,

 I was at the conference as a guest of Aaron and what Graham presented was no less than a public demonstration of a potential age changing technology and few people realized it. I thought for sure that many attendees would be chasing him down to get his autograph but it didn't happen.

 Dumb me, I thought he was going to do a Part II of the complicated transformer system he demonstrated at last years conference which was important in its own right. So, I didn't plan to take photos or notes. I was hoping that he improved the COP od that system from 1.02 to maybe 1.05.

 I helped him carry in his set up. Just for good luck I plugged in the solder iron and had it on standby. His system came right up with only some minor tuning required.

 Graham was making his measurements using two different approaches:

 1) Two Power Analyzers one on the input and one on the output

 2) A Tektronix (2000) 4 channel scope with advanced math functions and probes

 Both sets of instruments agreed on the values being measured. From the warm up moment the unit started at 1.53 watts in and 9.43 watts out or a initial COP of 6.16. The load was a 12V automotive lamp that operated during the entire presentation. As time went on the COP improved an hour later the input wattage was down to zero (with four places of accuracy) with the output still at 9.5. That is a COP of infinity, but lets say around 50. I was in the front row to observe this. Graham reported that he has observed the input value go negative like -.25 watts in.

 I have used up all my documentation space so I can't post the one photo I took just after he shut it off.

 The device takes low voltage DC in and outputs DC so COP measurements for the rest of us can probably be done with Harbor Freight DVM's - at least at with those COP values.

 Graham has no idea why this thing works as well as it does. He seemed to be in a daze or sort of a tranquil state of disbelief during the conference. I suppose the rest of us might be passing out cigars and doing cart wheels.

 The best part is that Graham plans to make all of this "Open Source" so that others can build and improve upon these principals. He has a web site for this material but I don't believe there is much on it at the moment. I have offered to draft any schematics he would like to post. Right now he wants to take some time off and be with his family.

 He showed all the various wave forms on the presentation screen and offered his best understanding as to how it worked (but no idea as to why). The source appears to be a 12.7 A-hr lead-acid gel battery that feeds an "H bridge" chopper that then goes to a step up transformer. The peak excitation voltage is around 800 volts. The input is a single sine wave followed by 1/3 cycle of zero voltage and then repeats. This is the input to his custom conversion transformer which is composed of two large "C" Ferrite core pieces. They don't have the same properties. One has a high permittivity and the other has a lower value. The cores are beefed up with about 20 Manganese Ferrite PM's (2" x 3" x 0.5". The primary is wound on the upper core while the secondary is on the bottom. The secondary is composed of four parallel turns of about #10 AWG Litz wire in three loops. (The good stuff). The output is rectified with a synchronous diode made of Si-C FETS and a custom snubbing driving network composed of zenor diodes so that no gate resistor was used.
 There is also a timing network involved to coordinate the various cycles, but no microprocessor. The output is then filtered with a large capacitor network and then drives the automotive lamp.

 If the instrumentation is correct he should be able to loop the system and have a self runner, but he ran out of time. This device only became operational last Wednesday (7/6/2016). On the week end he submitted a provisional patent.

The ferrite "C" cores also have a total gap of 0.010" which is composed to two separate spacers of 5 mil Mylar sheeting.

 There was no attempt to measure the temperature of the cores given the time frame.

 The big problem with replication is going to be getting the high permittivity "C" cores. Graham believes that they are no longer available commercially, however if money were available (say $5K) a custom lot could be contracted for. So if you have any of they "fossils" laying around you had better hang on to them.

 This is not a cheap device to build (at the moment) you will need four (4) FETS that will cost $70.00 each. I would estimate a person would be into the whole set up for around $1,500 US. But that is far cheaper than Peter's jumbo Bedini motor that he demonstrated at around $3,500. Now the price of instrumentation is a different matter.

 Graham reports that he got the idea last November when he couldn't sleep. The inspiration came to him to take the components of a two year old failed experiment and move forward with it. He retrieved the box of parts from his storage van and started in. (My dates could be all wrong)

 Aaron has be a great help to Graham both in the documentation and the invitation to speak. Aaron provided a set of the expensive FET's in Grahams time of need a few months ago. Aaron has probably hit the jack pot as a far as a subject goes for publishing goes. I would hope the rest of the world would take an interest in this subject and buy his books and DVD's.

 So get your order in for Graham's lecture so that Aaron will fix that one up first or second.

 One reason for the muted response to Graham's demonstration could be all the other great presentations. John Bedini was disclosing his work with the Royal Rife technology. Peter Lindeman was displaying a huge Bedini engine/motor. We also had Morey King and his take on the Henry Moray technology. Plus several other great speakers. I was to busy with Graham to attend all of the lectures.

 There was only one young man that appeared to take a serious interest in what Graham was doing. He was taking notes and asking important technical questions. Graham offered all the technical detail this individual could copy. By rights there should have been 20 people clustered around him. Maybe there will be next year.

 What I find interesting when comparing it to my own interests in the E.V. Gray technology is that there is a lot in common. To me this points to possibility of a shared fundamental physics. The Gray technology was measured to have a COP of 282 at the 7.5 kW level so maybe Grahams system could be up scaled several times and the COP improved as well. The Gray system operates using huge current pulses, Graham's system is continuous. The Gray system's main focus was repulsion force (torque) while Graham's device seems to output classical electricity (but I don't know that for sure - the lamp seemed normal enough with no exotic glows). The fundamental frequency of operation of my Gray transformer is 46 kHz. Gram's system is running at 50 kHz but he is using ferrite. Gray used common steel transformer laminations, so there is hope that the high u core can be replaced something more accessible if commonality hold true.

 I suspect that the operational theory may be something like what McFreey proposed, at least the excitation of the conversion transformer has these elements in it. That is a huge magnetic pulse followed by a specific RF burst. what happens after that is any bodies guess. Graham's system follows what McFreey said how the OU is contained in a short but powerful output voltage pulse from the secondary. Who knows, but it is a place for me to start.

 I have know Graham for about 10 years since we live in the same city. I'm trained as a classical EE, but I know very little compared to his knowledge of magnetics and electricity. I can barley ask descent questions when we get together. He is an excellent teacher and can sketch with the ability of a cartoonist.

 I know of no other Free Energy researcher who would discover such a profound and powerful process and then give it away.

 Mark McKay, PE




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I see that you, Sykes, after over four hundred and seventy pages in your "Partnered Output Coils-Free Energy" thread, have still not been able to demonstrate a single Joule of "free energy" from any of your contraptions.

And you never will.



Dont tell me, the thing on your mind must be: "What an inspiration Graham is to others..."


Now that youre back on the Pay Roll, you have to quash, squash with misslead ididotic reasoning any hope that he brings to others... All with nothing to back it up...


After all TK, Graham Gunderson could show you how all your Test Exuipment really does work for sure!!! He is light years ahead of you in that area!!!


Its your job isnt it TK!!!

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Dont tell me, the thing on your mind must be: "What an inspiration Graham is to others..."


Now that youre back on the Pay Roll, you have to quash, squash with misslead ididotic reasoning any hope that he brings to others... All with nothing to back it up...


After all TK, Graham Gunderson could show you how all your Test Exuipment really does work for sure!!! He is light years ahead of you in that area!!!


Its your job isnt it TK!!!

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By the way TK, Guess what Graham uses on his device: Partnered Output Coils


And, again, I show very clearly another device that uses the same concepts I have very clearly shown for many years.

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Can you see that? Can you?

Yes, that is 2 Sets of 3 Coils, each, on the Output!!!

I wonder what this means???

Yes, I am right again, TK your are wrong, youre on the wrong side old mate, its Partnered Output Coils!!!


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@Chet K - Thanks, hope you can see with open eyes...


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Graham seems a genuinely good fellow trying to do the right thing, he most definitely leaves a lasting impression on the people he meets and is looking to share his work.

It would be nice if we just make the focus here on Graham and his efforts ..
and leave the combat for another place.

we don't seem to lack for those places around here !

and to add
Tinsels Input is totally welcomed and appreciated here, he shows up with his sleeves rolled up and tools in hand ready to Help.
the world needs more men Like Tinsel.

Here [In Graham's case] , No one is trying to hide from good measurement protocol
actually a good experimenter/scientist ALWAYS runs too the metrologist
Not Shuns....

Life is too short and precious to behave any other way.

respectfully
Chet

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Graham seems a genuinely good fellow trying to do the right thing, he most definitely leaves a lasting impression on the people he meets and is looking to share his work.

It would be nice if we just make the focus here on Graham and his efforts ..
and leave the combat for another place.

we don't seem to lack for those places around here !

and to add
Tinsels Input is totally welcomed and appreciated here, he shows up with his sleeves rolled up and tools in hand ready to Help.
the world needs more men Like Tinsel.

Here [In Graham's case] , No one is trying to hide from good measurement protocol
actually a good experimenter/scientist ALWAYS runs too the metrologist
Not Shuns....

Life is too short and precious to behave any other way.

respectfully
Chet

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Tinsels Input is totally welcomed and appreciated here, he shows up with his sleeves rolled up and tools in hand ready to Help.
the world needs more men Like Tinsel.

Indeed Chet  :)


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Can you see that? Can you?

Yes, that is 2 Sets of 3 Coils, each, on the Output!!!

I wonder what this means???

Yes, I am right again, TK your are wrong, youre on the wrong side old mate, its Partnered Output Coils!!!


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