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Author Topic: Latest Bhaskara wheel!  (Read 10484 times)

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2017, 09:49:21 PM »
This guy's catching a lot of heat over this
So for now let's try to respect that he is showing
this to us, for what it is, or isn't .....


https://youtu.be/DnOkRGpCRy4




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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2017, 09:49:21 PM »

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2017, 10:24:59 PM »
@@@EDIT @@@

This is the same Guy with the Kid and the Fan video ??

I am told the low Audio in the above Video is attempting to hide a Fan sound which can be heard with advanced equipment ??

Maybe I will follow Skywatchers example with the Profit and build it anyway  ?
no stone left unturned..

I am waiting for some parts to arrive for Mike Nunnerley's open source SMD Hydrogen Build anyway...

we shall see ?

@@Double Edit@@
Smokey
I'll build a double wheel [side by side on the same axle] Abeling and Gwandau's claims can be played with there too
and also some ferro fluids and magnetic enhancement experiments can be added [as well as some of FLOOR'S Work ??


Speaking of Prophets work [different Profit I think ??
Johan Did post this link earlier in this thread
wesseldiwesseli.blogspot.com

I also added Gwaundau's friends wheel below








« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 01:30:44 AM by ramset »

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2017, 02:18:37 AM »
I have adjusted the sound of the video above "Perpetual Motion Machine - UPDATE - Home Made Bhaskara" back to normal.
Use the link below to review it once again and notice around 28 seconds into the video it has an air sound.
That's a sound of a low noise household fan and what is keeping the wheel turning.

Link to corrected sound video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMLhJrRqjqA

Luc
« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 04:46:33 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2017, 04:21:40 AM »
The only new thing about this guy is his youtube user name: warm coffee

He is the same scam video guy that was posted in this topics first post: http://overunity.com/16718/latest-bhaskara-wheel/msg488095/#msg488095
This was his fake perpetual motion video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePH6vkqAeB4
Here is my post describing how it was done: http://overunity.com/16718/latest-bhaskara-wheel/msg488231/#msg488231

See still picks (below) I took of videos from each account. Anything looks familiar?
He is a kid doing this to get youtube revenue. He got 642,388 views from his first scam and is trying to do the same fraud again.

Investigate more and ask yourselfs why does it look so easy when 1000 before him failed.

Luc

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2017, 06:07:02 AM »
I hear a lot of "he could have done this" or " he could have done that"
If your conjecture is proof enough to you of a scam
Then sit back and enjoy the show


Myself, I am not convinced that a fan would blow 1/4 gallon
of water around and not blown the zip ties...
I have here a 1/4 gallon of water on a Rollie Cart
And a zip tie tied to the side of the cart
The fan moves the zip tie, but will NOT push the
Jug of water anywhere. ( and yes the fan moves the empty cart
when there's no jug of water, yet still the zip tie moves first)




Anyways this guy wasn't the one who convinced me to build
He's just the one willing to keep making videos even when people
Accuse him of everything under the sun.


I have no doubt that if I managed to get one of these working
People would also accuse me of scamming
Even though those of you who know me know I have never
done anything of the sort since this forum opened.


The one in the Indian classroom is most intriguing as it has been
filmed by multiple independent parents of children in the class.
We will find out the truth soon enough as those of us that are building
Begin assembly of our replications.


Having 600k views on YouTube is not so much of an indicator of scamming,
As it is an indicator that more and more people are searching for free energy.
That alone should tell you that this movement we have been creating all
these years is starting to take hold.
People are paying attention.


What I learned from the Archer Quinn fiasco, is that gravity can be made to
perform work.
By altering its' potential from the perspective of the mass being lifted.
Whether its' through leverage, a slow rise + free fall, or a subtle exchange
With an opposing field, the term "Energy" does not pass through the exchange.
Momentum is conserved, but the perspective from which the "Energy" term is
initially taken, does not exist during or after the exchange. A new perspective
gives new rise to a new "Energy" term.


Remember the Chas Campbell wheel?
Gravity is rolling the "balls" to the outer edge for us
By shifting the water


Not only it is shifting the water it is moving it down and away from the axis
Imparting both a rotational force (32f/s/s(*/pi)) and also a momentum
M=mv


Gravity is leveraged compared to the other side
The reverse momentum of the water on the up side is less
than the forward momentum of the water on the down side.
Why? It is moving slower and impacts closer to the axis.
The 'jerky' action of the machine is from the downside momentum.
The more bottles, the more the mass is distributed and this dampens
the motion making it turn more smoothly.


If this works at all, it should also work with only 2 bottles
And be partially observable in a pendulum experiment with 1 bottle.


I'll work on throwing some things together to help us test and document
the results.

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2017, 06:51:13 AM »
Here's something that gives a little bit of credence to this
Almost all gravity machines can be disproved by a simple
"Center of gravity " analysis
When done on these bashkaras they appear to have one
thing in common


When you watch them in action, the center of gravity
is not always below the axis, but forms an ellipse
around the axis, above and below and back above again


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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2017, 07:35:15 AM »
Dear sm0ky2,

I do wish you success with your Bhaskara experiments

Kind regards

Luc

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2017, 12:56:14 PM »
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Almost all gravity machines can be disproved by a simple "Center of gravity " analysis
I admit, that the Bhaskara wheel looks more suspicious than for example Rosch' KPP buoyancy system, being closed system. But such an analysis would be difficult even at the case of Bhaskara wheel. It would consider, that the fluid gets displaced exactly in equilibrium with center of gravity and that all droplets and bubbles get formed and disappear just at the moment, when the buyoance force requires to create and coalesce them. At any case, it's just the apparent violation of the classical laws, what makes this device intriguing. We all know, that such a device shouldn't work according to classical physics analysis.

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2017, 05:21:16 PM »
Classical physics would analyze this as a "closed system"
Since the mass is constrained to the peripheral of the wheel
And is (for the most part) balanced, the lifting and falling
of the weights cancels each other out and you are left with
the moment of inertia of the wheel mass to contend with.


Furthermore it would provide argument that in certain
positions the center of gravity of the wheel is below the
axis. While true, in certain positions the center of gravity
is above the axis, and both could be considered "balanced".




Once in motion, classical physics must abandon this "closed
system" approach. Now gravity is rearranging the fluid mass
Imparting a momentum into the water. (M=mgt) [include slope]
This momentum impacts the wall of the bottles and the
'back slosh' just oscillates (striking nothing).


If you analyze this mathematically, in which direction is the
positive momentum? Is it in the direction of rotation?
Or against the direction of rotation?


It its' magnitude greater than or less than the moment of inertia?


I think the 1 or 2 bottle analysis is going to hammer out these
details. Just as a rigid pendulum helps us understand a wheel.


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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2017, 12:28:27 AM »
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If you analyze this mathematically, in which direction is the positive momentum? Is it in the direction of rotation? Or against the direction of rotation?

From perspective of Kozyrev theory the side, which contains more mixed fluid and bubbles should get lighter. From perspective of my own theory, the thermal fluctuations should enforce the keeping mixture in shaken state and thus more distant from center of mass, than the equilibrium, so that this side should get heavier, which is what we essentially observe.

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2017, 02:44:50 AM »
From perspective of Kozyrev theory the side, which contains more mixed fluid and bubbles should get lighter. From perspective of my own theory, the thermal fluctuations should enforce the keeping mixture in shaken state and thus more distant from center of mass, than the equilibrium, so that this side should get heavier, which is what we essentially observe.


Being that the bottles are sealed, they should weigh the same
Mix with the air inside or not.
Don't believe me? Put a half full bottle on the scale
Shake it up and put in on the scale again

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2017, 06:24:40 PM »
MIT defines this situation as producing a net torque.


http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node90.html


Here's how to do the math in a more simpler way


https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravitational-torque-about-point.417539/


the net torque (or effective rotational force) on the wheel can be calculated by
Defining the torque on one bottle 360 times around the wheel then adding up
all of them. (that's about as accurate as I care to get at the moment)


From this analysis it is clearly seen that the bottles cannot be placed symmetricaly
else net torque =0
There are also angles of the bottle in which net torque is considered insignificant.
Or so little that friction is likely to win out.
Approaching the tangential is not beneficial
Nor is approaching the axial
Thus our desired angle lies in between
I would think that it should be close to halfway between
The tangential and the axial
But that assumes an inherent symmetry between the bottles and wheel
Which has yet to be clearly defined.




This is laborious and repetitive not to mention time consuming.
It might be beneficial to come up with a computer software that could run these
numbers on every possible bottle angle, some of these physics sims can do this
I think. I have never messed with them but I remember seeing some functions
on other's videos that might be useful here.




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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2017, 02:29:34 PM »
Pulled the wheel off the bike and gathered some parts to build a stand
Next step is to remove the reflector and tire
Then throw this thing together and balance the wheel
Then I'll start adding bottles, first one to conduct some tests
Then two, 3 etc.
I'm planning for 7 bottles for now

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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2017, 02:42:57 PM »
My brother has the drill so I won't be able to put this
thing together until tonight, but this is my basic
Test rig


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Re: Latest Bhaskara wheel!
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2017, 02:45:06 PM »
The brackets came off an old jeep, the wheel is from my bike
As long as I don't destroy it, I should be able to put it back on
So my total cost up to this point
Is about $10 of water and a 2x4


I will need to find some zip ties or a way to attach the bottles
I may try to come up with an adjustable angle mechanism
If it's not too difficult to implement

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