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Offline shylo

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2017, 08:02:34 PM »
When the wave is interrupted halfway along it's journey, what happens?
That is can you put an interruption along the path of propagation, and create 2 waves?
I know he showed how stopping in the center, the wave went doth ways, but at half the amplitude.
Maybe I don't understand?
If I short my coil just as the inducing magnetic field is about to switch polarities, the result is a higher gain than just passing the magnet past the coil.
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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #76 on: March 05, 2017, 02:06:16 AM »
Overestimating? I was expecting form you to be able to calculate these things, because you wrote me that you are a mechanical engineer who has got his diploma from a university. Calculating the energy content of a sine wave on the wave machine supposed to be a simple routine task for a mechanical engineer. Now it seems obvious that your claim about your qualification was a porky, which I don’t appreciate.
Yes, but where did I claim that I was an A student?

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That is fine, but in that case you are not doing any FE research. You are expecting from the “superior mind” to do the research for you, find the solution, and give you the blueprint of a developed FE machine, and all this for free. Ahem… don’t you think that your expectations are unrealistic and selfish?

Zoltan, you said that the solution already exists, and the work had been already completed.
In this case, why not to share it with the less intelligent comrades, at least by explaining
in a simple terms the subject?
Really, you can't expect from everyone understanding of double integrals.

 
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Perhaps this is a good point to hibernate this thread again for a while.
I respond to everybody (at least to their first email).

I'm really interested in this subject and would like your explanation to continue.
It least in a layman terms.


Offline ZL

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2017, 08:48:32 PM »
Zoltan, you said that the solution already exists, and the work had been already completed.

I wrote only that Mr. Vajda has built at least 2 different types of proof of concept FE generators, and he has demonstrated an excess power on two videos. The powers measured were in mW range, so the devices were not designed to deliver enough power to drive a car or heat a house. However, based on the same principles, the output power could be increased to useful practical levels by refining the design. He was seeking investors to develop his inventions for high power practical use. As far as I know the potential investors who have promised millions of dollars for the project have deceived him, and a high power generator was not developed by him.

He did not demonstrate the measurements on those devices to me personally. I know about them only from the videos and from his explanations. The devices were stolen by some rascals after Mr. Vajda’s death, and I would not be surprised if they have ended up in some secret US research laboratories. I am convinced that such generators already exist in military use and in the service of the top oligarchy. If despite all the money they have in the world they still don’t have such FE generators, then they suck at science and research.

As far as I know, the principle has not been implemented yet in kW range among amateur FE researchers. Therefore it is not true that “the work had been already completed”, I did not say such a thing. This is the main reason we need money for the further research and development.

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In this case, why not to share it with the less intelligent comrades, at least by explaining in a simple terms the subject? Really, you can't expect from everyone understanding of double integrals.

Alex, please don’t consider me to be your comrade! This word has got a strong communistic connotation.  I am not a communist. Communism was not invented by the masses whose interests it allegedly supposed to serve. It was invented by a small group of people who thrive on the back of other people as parasites, and forced it on nations with sword and iron, killing millions of people in the process. The ideology of communism had several purposes.

One of them was to infect eastern courtiers and destroy their wealth, industry, economy, scientists, morale, life standard, etc. and make them poor. This way the west did not have such powerful competitors as China and Russia for a very long time, so it was an ideological weapon against foreign target countries. It is part of the rush for global control. Another purpose was to grant undisputed and almighty power to these crooks who have taken control of the target countries under the guise of top communist leaders. Communism is no better than capitalism in any way; in fact it is much worse. But it does not really much matter under which rule one lives, the name of the game is the same: few demonic criminals have acquired control over the rest of the population (using them as cash cows, and virtual slaves) and legalized this system of control, just like a disguised protection racket of  godfather Corleone.

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I'm really interested in this subject and would like your explanation to continue. It least in a layman terms.

The equations of the energy content of a wave on the wave machine, their explanations, and whether there is any excess energy gain in the illustrated superposition and why (separately explained for the case of EM waves propagating in a coaxial wave guide as well) are not secrets. You (or anyone else) can get them nicely written up in a pdf document with illustrations, if you invite me for a couple of beers (say $5 worth of donation on my website). Your interest is fake and hollow if you are not willing to put your cash where your mouth is.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #78 on: March 07, 2017, 10:03:54 PM »
Dr. Raymond Phillips - Work - Media coverage - patent

http://www.tillit.info/filer/tillit_nr12.pdf

http://www.google.de/patents/US4685047?printsec=abstract&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false

German website was reporting on this:
https://www.minotech.de/forschung/raumenergiekonverter/raymond-konverter/

I am not sure from these reports that he extracted more energy than spend out of a standing wave

Regards

Mike


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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #79 on: March 08, 2017, 12:15:32 AM »




Alex, please don’t consider me to be your comrade! This word has got a strong communistic connotation.

I had in mind the first meaning, which is quite common among friendly coworkers,
but now I'm rescinding this offer of comradeship as per your wishes.
com·rade
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noun
a companion who shares one's activities or is a fellow member of an organization.
synonyms:   companion, friend; colleague, associate, partner, coworker, workmate; informalpal, crony, mate, chum, buddy, dawg; informalpeeps
"we became comrades back in 1943, working in a field hospital in the Philippines"
a fellow soldier or member of the armed services.
noun: comrade-in-arms
a fellow socialist or communist (often as a form of address).
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The equations of the energy content of a wave on the wave machine, their explanations, and whether there is any excess energy gain in the illustrated superposition and why (separately explained for the case of EM waves propagating in a coaxial wave guide as well) are not secrets. You (or anyone else) can get them nicely written up in a pdf document with illustrations, if you invite me for a couple of beers (say $5 worth of donation on my website). Your interest is fake and hollow if you are not willing to put your cash where your mouth is.

I will consider this, but I think you had to start your posting with this offer rather than
writing so many words with no actual result.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
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Offline ZL

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #80 on: March 08, 2017, 02:21:28 PM »
Dr. Raymond Phillips - Work - Media coverage - patent...

Mike,

You have already posted this very same nonsense of Raymond Phillips more than a year ago here:
http://overunity.com/3068/the-return-of-the-hungarian-free-energy-from-wave-fields/msg475589/#msg475589
and I have responded at the bottom of the next post here:
http://overunity.com/3068/the-return-of-the-hungarian-free-energy-from-wave-fields/msg475615/#msg475615

It’s all bullocks. There is no free energy in that circuit. It is a closed subject; you shouldn’t have brought it up now again. The laws of nature did not change during the last year.  ;D

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #81 on: March 08, 2017, 04:52:56 PM »
I will consider this, but I think you had to start your posting with this offer rather than writing so many words with no actual result.

This sounds familiar again; putting the blame on me for the consequences of your own mistakes and lack of relevant knowledge. Not nice! So you are blaming me for not starting my postings with this offer. I have already explained that I did not start to post again here this year because I wanted to make any offer to anybody. I started to post in order to warn the readers that an organized disinfo operation was unfolding on this thread. All the rest of my posts were only spontaneous responses to questions and attacks.

You wrote that you are willing to learn what is needed to enable you to do serious research in this field. Then you have asked for my advice about which books to read. I said, that depends on your present level of knowledge. If you already know calculus for example, then you can skip the math course etc. Then you wrote me that you have a diploma in mechanical engineering from a university. I have responded that in that case you don’t really need new books at all, but at most you will have to refresh your memory about things you have forgotten. This can be easily done by just dusting off your old university textbooks, and reading the relevant chapters that cover your specific research subject.

All the rest of our conversation on this thread was built upon your (false) claim of being a mechanical engineer. If this would have been true, then you could have calculated the energy content of a wave on the wave machine within a few days (at most) on your own, and then I could have lead you to discover and understand the rest of the subject on your own with some guidance, namely whether there is any excess energy in the observed superposition, and why. It is completely meaningless to start such an explanation, unless you know and understand the quantitative energy content of a wave.

Our conversation dragged out for so long without the hoped for revelations, because I was expecting you to finally derive the formulas and explain the working principle of the wave machine. If you would have told me the truth, that you don’t possess the knowledge of a real engineer, then I would not have expected from you knowledge and abilities that you don’t possess. If you would have said that you are only a technician, then I would have given you few links, where you could have learned the necessary prerequisites for the understanding of the wave energetics. One can not explain calculus to a student who does not even know the basic operations of addition, and subtraction.
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… rather than writing so many words with no actual result.

Your disappointment is based on your misunderstanding about the nature of real research. You were expecting ready made pre-chewed knowledge from me, spoon-fed at your insufficient level of understanding, and then hoping that it would enable you to invent an FE generator. That is a totally wrong approach. If I answer one question, ten other questions will pop up in its place; and if those are also answered, then a hundred new ones would emerge. There is never an end to questions, and no real benefit in answering only a couple of them.

The nature of real scientific research is to seek answers to questions for which no acceptable answer is offered by the science yet. Which means that there is nobody who will, or can answer your questions, but you have to be able to discover such answers on your own, based on your own mental abilities like Newton, and Maxwell did in their time. All the knowledge that has been accumulated has been discovered by such researchers, who did it on their own. Research is all about being able to figure thing out, and solve problems on your own. Do you see the pattern? Its all about doing things on your own.

If I really want to help a fellow seeker to enable him to become such a researcher, then the first thing I have to teach him is independence! The ability to find and acquire real knowledge on his own. If you give money to a beggar he will get drunk today and he will be begging for more tomorrow. You didn’t really help him much. But if you teach him how to earn money, and/or offer him a job, then you have done something really good, worth mentioning.

Scientific research on its own is already difficult, but researching methods of gaining excess energy that is considered to be totally impossible by the majority of scientists is even more difficult. The fiddling that happens on FE forums can not be called real scientific research. It would become that only if the participants would have the prerequisite knowledge, and if they would actually know what they are doing. It would become that if it would not be lead by disinfo agents, whose purpose is the exact opposite, to guarantee unsuccess. This is within the reach of intelligent people, if they would only be willing to invest the necessary time and effort to learn the necessary prerequisites. But many people are too lazy and/or too puffed up to do that. They think that they already know what needs to be known.

One does not have to be born a genius in order to do decent research. The methods, attitude, and prerequisites can be learned just like anything else. If you are serious about doing such research then the first step is to develop your ability to find and learn knowledge that others have already discovered before you, and which are readily available in books and on the internet. If one is unable to accomplish even this simple task with success, then he is totally useless as a researcher. How will he be able to discover knowledge then that nobody else has discovered yet?

This is the reason that it is meaningless for me to give answers to simple trivial questions here on this forum, because it will not really benefit the questioner, and it will only waste my time in vain. If I really want to help and make my effort be worthwhile, then I have to lead the questioner to discover the correct answer on his own. I have to demonstrate what line of thinking is productive and what creates only confusion and delusion. People also need to be able to recognize disinfo agents who confuse and mislead. I have to show you how to look for and find the answers on your own (if you don't know). You have to learn first and foremost the art of independent research and logical thinking, and the learning of simple science facts is only secondary (though that is also necessary, but you can do that on your own). If one is too lazy or unable to find and learn known science facts on his own, then he is useless as a researcher, and he is absolutely hopeless as a free energy researcher.

Finally based on your level of knowledge that you have demonstrated here, I suggest you to study and learn the very basics first from a secondary school level website:

http://www.earlhaig.ca/departments/science/physicsreview.php

When you are done with that, then you can take the next step of upgrading your math knowledge, because that is the engine of any serious research. We have to be able to calculate quantities as well, and it is not sufficient to have only qualitative understanding. When the math knowledge is solid, then you can take university and college level courses (also available online), which will finally enable you to do serious research and know what you are doing.

So hopefully now my “writing so many words“ has lead to “the actual result” that I wanted to achieve, which is to make you (and others) recognize the necessity of self-reliance and independent serious work. On the other hand, if you have changed your mind, and you prefer to follow the road of a technician, then you will have to wait for a ready made design to replicate. In that case it is waste of effort to explain the not so trivial details of wave mechanics here.
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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2017, 10:33:20 PM »
This is an update about my realizations made during the last 2 years in connection with the published and unpublished FE research of Janos Vajda.

This was a disappointing 2 years, which lead me to the conclusion that there was an organized disinfo campaign behind his work. My website has been updated now accordingly, and a brief description of the conclusions can be read at:

https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/the-published-work-of-janos-vajda/
https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/

But make no mistake, the principle of gaining excess energy from wave fields based on wave superposition is still valid! Only few references to Janos’ documents have been removed from the page “How to gain free energy from wave fields – simplified explanation” the rest is still valid as before:

https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/how-to-gain-free-energy-from-wave-fields-simplified-explanation/

Only the analysis of Mr. Vajda is incorrect, and his invention does not generate free energy as he described it. It is a bit more complicated than that. The pages containing his patent application and his booklet have been removed to avoid further confusion and disappointments.

I have also promised some time ago that a translated video demonstration of his invention would be published, where he is performing a measurement on it. This was postponed for a long time and now finally cancelled, because I have realized that if the majority of his documents contain serious errors, then there is a good chance that the video is also fake. After these developments I feel now that the publishing of the video wouldn’t do any good. Therefore it makes no sense anymore to invest time, money and effort to convert the video into uploadable form and size, and even less to translate it and add subtitles. Time is better spent on developing methods and devices that do generate FE. But of course, if anybody is still curious enough to finance the work on the video, I am willing to do it.

Zoltan Losonc

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2017, 11:24:34 PM »
Because there is no excess energy in simple computation , it would be found many year ago if any existed. Energy is always external.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #84 on: November 15, 2017, 06:09:46 PM »
In which document did he say he had successfully discovered overunity in standing wave?


His circuit is just a conventional wireless energy harvester. The RF signal is first captured by the dipole antenna. Then he used a voltage multiplier to scale up the received energy. As always, the received energy is inversely proportional to square of the distance between the transmitting end and the receiving end.


There is no overunity in ordinary space electromagnetic waves.



But i am hopeful something strange is due to be discovered.




Dr. Raymond Phillips - Work - Media coverage - patent

http://www.tillit.info/filer/tillit_nr12.pdf

http://www.google.de/patents/US4685047?printsec=abstract&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false

German website was reporting on this:
https://www.minotech.de/forschung/raumenergiekonverter/raymond-konverter/

I am not sure from these reports that he extracted more energy than spend out of a standing wave

Regards

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Offline blueplanet

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #85 on: November 20, 2017, 02:17:07 PM »
Any more input???

Offline ZL

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #86 on: November 20, 2017, 08:49:11 PM »
Any more input???

Could you be more specific please? "More input" about what? About Raymond Phillips? About Mr. Vajda? Or about Climate change? Or...
Also, are you asking me, or Kator01, or Forest, or somebody else to chime in?


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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #87 on: November 21, 2017, 04:23:27 AM »
Could you be more specific please? "More input" about what? About Raymond Phillips? About Mr. Vajda? Or about Climate change? Or...
Also, are you asking me, or Kator01, or Forest, or somebody else to chime in?

I am asking everyone if they have any more idea.
I want to see some non-textbook theories.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #88 on: November 21, 2017, 05:43:08 AM »
I am asking everyone if they have any more idea.
I want to see some non-textbook theories.


Ideas I will not put forward.  Not because I don't have anything worthwhile to say but because it is a waste here.  Another man's ideas are usually balked at anyway.  What I will submit is FACT.

EVERYTHING follows the laws of the Universe.  There is NO OU.  THIS IS FACT.  Thank goodness for that otherwise with all the chain reactions and chemical volatility in the Universe, something would have experienced a runaway chain reaction by now and destroyed us all.

  However there is abundant energy to be harvested.  This is FREE depending on how you harvest it and the efficiency of your model.   Nothing is truly FREE anyway....you still have to build a device and spend money to pump that energy.

FINALLY for the record......NEVER once did TESLA ever ever state he had found OU within a system.  Quite the opposite....he stated many times in his writings that he was unsuccessful at achieving a self sustaining apparatus.  Also what he stated was about efficiency.

Anyway keep dreaming away....so much wasted time when you could go to the bench and make models to prove these things to yourselves rather than talking in circles about nonsense.

PS Bedini did not have OU either.  He was a snake oil showman who spoke in riddles so he could sell his wares.  He paid his electric bill like everyone else.


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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #89 on: November 21, 2017, 12:03:08 PM »
WRONG!!! Tesla found OU ,he even commented  article describing Figuera invention proving he also found a way to tap ambient energy. He however thought it was not useful due to small output energy level. Small means kW range rather then MW.

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